What music you guys listening to?

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You know Nico had a son with Deloin? Crazy world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFTjRT5RWA

All new to me, but I haven't looked into Nico as much as I would have liked over the years. Very interesting indeed.

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You know Nico had a son with Deloin? Crazy world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFTjRT5RWA

All new to me, but I haven't looked into Nico as much as I would have liked over the years. Very interesting indeed.

Yeah, Alain was a shit here, though I love the guy. Anyone who can't see this guy is his son, needs his mind doing. To reject him was just obscene.

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of course he's his som...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Udz6McE8c

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Georges Brassens - Chanson pour l'Auvergnat

https://youtube.com/watch?v=df8SYHs4X94

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Georges Brassens - Chanson pour l'Auvergnat

https://youtube.com/watch?v=df8SYHs4X94

Thanks. I post this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQRuNNfgjOM

I mean you can't begin to contemplate all the rustic sad, fleetingly beautiful life & lives that happened in my Welsh, English, Irish, Scottish uplands & lowlands over the centuries, or in your Dalmatian or Balkan communities over the centuries.

It humbles us.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

Lovely adaptation of a George's Brassens song
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qrhFd829Ts8

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Chaos Chaos - My Hands
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SESF2RPinQ0
Nice indie pop from these girls. I've always loved their S EP.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5 ... IkPpFxzaD2

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Thanks. I post this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQRuNNfgjOM

I mean you can't begin to contemplate all the rustic sad, fleetingly beautiful life & lives that happened in my Welsh, English, Irish, Scottish uplands & lowlands over the centuries, or in your Dalmatian or Balkan communities over the centuries.

It humbles us.

What do you think about this song? It's I think supportive of the Republican cause in NI and at the same time conciliatory and I find that "there's a time for hate to cease" line very poignant.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qvx82kIdUBE

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Repetitor - Opet jak
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UCBI8IW0uDg

Repetitor - Ogledalo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=M94SdXLm0tg

One of the better modern-day Serbian bands for sure.

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Thanks. I post this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQRuNNfgjOM

I mean you can't begin to contemplate all the rustic sad, fleetingly beautiful life & lives that happened in my Welsh, English, Irish, Scottish uplands & lowlands over the centuries, or in your Dalmatian or Balkan communities over the centuries.

It humbles us.

What do you think about this song? It's I think supportive of the Republican cause in NI and at the same time conciliatory and I find that "there's a time for hate to cease" line very poignant.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qvx82kIdUBE

To be honest, & thanks for asking me, there is always, has always been types of entertainers that clothe themselves at an early stage, & choose an image that will propel them to fame over their talent.

Most often this involves selling a pseudo-authentic product to a foreign audience, & the Makem brothers & Tommy Clancy were guilty of this. In the 1960's they arrived in New York selling themselves as authentic Irish experience, with their white knit jumpers etc. Pretty phoney to be honest. But you'd be surprised who's taken in. Bob Dylan called Tommy Makem the best ballad singer in the world because truth be told, he was possibly the first Irish singer he'd heard. Ridiculous! Bottle it & sell it! It's a bit like a great story I read that no self-respecting WWII GI ex-serviceman would walk around a mid-western town in the late 1940's wearing a service medal, they'd have their ass kicked out of town or the like... it was like so what? Didn't we all do it, & rightly so.

Here's a great example of even an English band playing up on the 'novelty' aspect in America, this time for the beat invasion. The first 15 seconds tell it all...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf_m9kio3EU

It can also be about jumping on a social theme, like a band coming out with a track that highlights a social issue, like a lack of housing, & suddenly they are heroes, but it's usually a calculated ploy.

Lastly, you have the whole 'legends' business, which for example, in America, is particularly notorious in the C&W field. I mean, Willie Nelson has made a career out of being an 'outlaw' for the adulation of gullible fantasising accountants who want to let their hair down. And as for Johnny Cash, built a career on fighting the law, but he spent about one or two nights in jail in whole life most of it contrived.

https://folsomcasharttrail.com/the-trai ... -to-prison

Here are these 'legends' playing for the accountants...


In summary, the word legend is so absurdly thrown around the entertainment industry, usually describing middle-class kid's who spent their teen years etc, boring as heck learning their instruments, & somehow a life of indulgence, playing the game, & living like spoilt brats, makes them legends?

These guys aren't legends! They are actors!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMdeg-WKt1U

Forgive the rant! Its just a bug bear of mine.

Thanks for the question man.

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What do you think about this song? It's I think supportive of the Republican cause in NI and at the same time conciliatory and I find that "there's a time for hate to cease" line very poignant.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qvx82kIdUBE

To be honest, the best song about all that horrible dreary shit was by Sting of all people! Brilliant viideo too - this took balls, was banned, & well, could've wrecked the Police & himself. Immortal video too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VuDjJ9KIxM

Non-sentimental, non-judgmental. Brilliant.

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i mixed up who was clancy and who was makem, who were brothers etc, anyway point is the same. the music is brutal rubbish to me.

but this isn't. and you put me here, so thanks.

what a voice and soul, this is beautiful and needs no badge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkOB57UcYk8

how can an 18 year old come up with a song like this? i thought kate bush's wuthering heights was prodigious, but this just breaks all rules.

Thanks again.

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I think I know where you're coming from with some of that, some things may start innocuous or even subversive and get appropriated, watered down or commercialised to su h an extent that only a caricature remains. I see this increasingly happening in the pop cultural sphere and former hipster typewps embracing mainstream pop stars and their fake messages of empowerment (which in its genuine form I do appreciate) There is less and less authenticity and room for genuine creativity or emancipation, it's sad to say. There were some music communities I used to frequent a lot a few years back that were mostly invested in the indie Canon till Pitchfork magazine came around and embraced thr shallow phenomenon of "poptimism" essentially showing they were just mindlessly following along some trend rather than genuinely appreciating the music.

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I think I know where you're coming from with some of that, some things may start innocuous or even subversive and get appropriated, watered down or commercialised to su h an extent that only a caricature remains. I see this increasingly happening in the pop cultural sphere and former hipster typewps embracing mainstream pop stars and their fake messages of empowerment (which in its genuine form I do appreciate) There is less and less authenticity and room for genuine creativity or emancipation, it's sad to say. There were some music communities I used to frequent a lot a few years back that were mostly invested in the indie Canon till Pitchfork magazine came around and embraced thr shallow phenomenon of "poptimism" essentially showing they were just mindlessly following along some trend rather than genuinely appreciating the music.

You'd know EXACTLY. Even from the war 20 years ago, a Croat lad told me recently there were those who shut up, who'd seen it, & the mouthy one's who'd done nothing. Plus you have had WWII, the communist regime, before that the WWi, i have read that Serb death's in that war were proportionately higher than any other countries, including a famine at that time. Then you have had the whole 'innocent' stagnation of 600 years of Ottoman brutality.... yet my country, Ireland, & I am at home right now, but I only visit sporadically, salivates over this perceived injustice by Britain, yet most of those who were victimised have left no descendants, only the collaborators, because that was the way it was, the way it is.

But when you have the collaborators assume the mantle of those no longer there, & use that as a crutch through life, or even a national identity, even though they may never have had a single hungry afternoon in their lives, it kind of get's me. I think this is a common theme through all post-colonial societies. The native 'elite' really get the cream, they can live iike lords, but still deflect all common anger against those who were there before.

It's kind of evil genius really.

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sorry, 30 years ago.

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What the NDH did to the Serbs was monstrous indeed but their descendants bear no responsibility for what had transpired there. If I am understanding you correctly, you mean to say that some may cling to the role of the eternal personalised victim vis-à-vis said descendants as a fetishistic token of sorts? This may be something completely different but sometimes there are some variants of fake caricaturisric "national identitities" that even get perpetuated among xth generation of "Irish Americans", "Polish Americans" etc. who haven't got the first clue about their origins but play the authority when it comes to such matters what it means to be authentically whatever. Ok, we may be talking past each other right now and I am going off on a tangent. LOL.

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What the NDH did to the Serbs was monstrous indeed but their descendants bear no responsibility for what had transpired there. If I am understanding you correctly, you mean to say that some may cling to the role of the eternal personalised victim vis-à-vis said descendants as a fetishistic token of sorts? This may be something completely different but sometimes there are some variants of fake caricaturisric "national identitities" that even get perpetuated among xth generation of "Irish Americans", "Polish Americans" etc. who haven't got the first clue about their origins but play the authority when it comes to such matters what it means to be authentically whatever. Ok, we may be talking past each other right now and I am going off on a tangent. LOL.

yeah, i can't really comment on the Balkan thing, I've no right. I just remember the awful anti-Serb propaganda NATO were peddling in 1999 re: the Kosovan situation. I was in London at the time and the only newspaper to paint a fair picture of situation was the Independent and Robert Fisk in particular. I have no side to take in the ex-Yugoslav wars, but the west painted the Serbs as evil, Bosnians as angels, and Croats as something in between.

But exactly you understand me right what you describe as the fake characteristics of the ancestrally oppressed of the post-colonial societies, but this is kind of particularly a British thing. Wherever the British went, they did bad, they did good, blah blah, but yeah, I speak fundamentally from a western European stance only.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=rMwE1tBg2Hg

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=rMwE1tBg2Hg

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Zabranjeno pušenje - Možeš imat' more tijelo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GqiCKuxPT0A

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Thanks. I post this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQRuNNfgjOM

I mean you can't begin to contemplate all the rustic sad, fleetingly beautiful life & lives that happened in my Welsh, English, Irish, Scottish uplands & lowlands over the centuries, or in your Dalmatian or Balkan communities over the centuries.

It humbles us.

What do you think about this song? It's I think supportive of the Republican cause in NI and at the same time conciliatory and I find that "there's a time for hate to cease" line very poignant.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qvx82kIdUBE

on that Northern Irish theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dSbfvEHOMg

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not bad from Dublin either...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnyQqDbt7xo

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not bad from Dublin either...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnyQqDbt7xo

I don't like Bob Geldof too much but some of the early stuff isn't bad I guess, I Don't Like Mondays for example I'd listened to quite a bit a few years back.

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on that Northern Irish theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dSbfvEHOMg

MES and one of the Undertones lads commemorating John Peel. It's said that the BBC people kept confusing MES by whispering shit into his ear piece which is why he seems so uncandid even by his idiosyncratic standards.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=uWFDrslHyvg

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Stiff Little Fingers

https://youtube.com/watch?v=on6DxBgfsDY

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gBE4i0-YK2k

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Stiff Little Fingers

https://youtube.com/watch?v=on6DxBgfsDY

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gBE4i0-YK2k

Thanks, I could never really get these. The band that really has jumped out at me of that group of bands is Wire. I think they had great potential. Somehow they didn't really make it. I only discovered them about 2 years ago. That Reuters is some track.

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These are pretty good, too.

The Ruts - Something that I Said
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IyFIQXMKTaQ

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You know these guys? Some sick basslines.

The Pop Group - She Is Beyond Good And Evil
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1J0NBHVS5Go

The Pop Group - We Are Time
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KCqJ2jjNbzk

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So, I'd like to share a little story connecting both Drvo and Neil Young, though I may not me remembering it 100% accurately. I used to be a huge fan of Devo in my younger years, though it may not be cool to admit to that nowadays. Anyway, they had this whole devolution shtick which was part serious and cynical and part performance art, which is by the way one of the reasons they wear these strange hats. That cynicism didn't just come to be out of nothing but was founded upon the Kent State Shootings where the National Guard opened fire on ansti-war protestors, at least one or several members of Devo where studying there at the time. Now there's also a Neil Young song based on these events called Ohio.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=J9INnMMwvnk

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i know both the ohio song and the devo band. big fan of young, but i loathed crosby, stills, and nash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM
i posted this devo track before, amazing stuff, only heard them for first time about six months ago, the humour is incredible!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM

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Oh, yeah, Whip It. By the way, this was one of my favourites off the same album back in the day. They were already heavily into synths by this point.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2ikPXAvOg-g

Then you have Beautiful World, even more electronic.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=56u6g0POvo0

At this point it's hard to believe they started out as a kind of punk outfit, which still shines through on their first LP in spite of Eno's production.

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Oh, yeah, Whip It. By the way, this was one of my favourites off the same album back in the day. They were already heavily into synths by this point.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2ikPXAvOg-g

Then you have Beautiful World, even more electronic.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=56u6g0POvo0

At this point it's hard to believe they started out as a kind of punk outfit, which still shines through on their first LP in spite of Eno's production.

Excellent. I'm typing with one hand by the way, my other elbow is leaning against the French dude's bass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYkqLm9cM3Y

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Excellent. I'm typing with one hand by the way, my other elbow is leaning against the French dude's bass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYkqLm9cM3Y

Love them.

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Excellent. I'm typing with one hand by the way, my other elbow is leaning against the French dude's bass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYkqLm9cM3Y

Love them.

you'll love this so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3eg3gSMv7U

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Some crazy shit, I never knew their individual members' names and backstories and when looking up Hugh Cornwell I found some Strwnflers affiliat4d artists and found ID recognised the name and yeah, turns out I'd listened to a "band" called Celia and the Mutations. Wouldn't have re-discovered that without you posting that link. I mean musically Celia wasn't anything special but it sure is an unexpected throwback for me.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W2Qy1_RlHA8

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Some crazy shit, I never knew their individual members' names and backstories and when looking up Hugh Cornwell I found some Strwnflers affiliat4d artists and found ID recognised the name and yeah, turns out I'd listened to a "band" called Celia and the Mutations. Wouldn't have re-discovered that without you posting that link. I mean musically Celia wasn't anything special but it sure is an unexpected throwback for me.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W2Qy1_RlHA8

never heard that before. sounds like part of the pub-rock genre like dr feelgood etc.

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Depending on your preferred type of humour, this will either one of the funniest or weirdest music videos you will ever see.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q6PV2hylNA8

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Buzzcocks - Time's Up
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHkr_cqCvQ
I don't know much about Pete Shelley era Buzzcocks, mostly just listened to this EP as I was a fan of Howard Devoto snd Magazine.

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Buzzcocks - Time's Up
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHkr_cqCvQ
I don't know much about Pete Shelley era Buzzcocks, mostly just listened to this EP as I was a fan of Howard Devoto snd Magazine.

wow! I'm the exact opposite. I don't dig Magazine & Howard De Voto didn't make it when he went solo because he wasn't that talented it seems. Certainly his lack of handsomeness didn't help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-j4rP2Pmk

But the Pete Shelley era Buzzcocks were simply magical in my eyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1G0jl0Vc64

That 'singles going steady' album could have been written by Rodgers and Hammerstein as a synopsis of this 'genre' called 'rock n'roll', its a magical compilation.

So damned unpretentious too. Maybe the most unpretentious band ever.

They deserved a better place in the rock pantheon.

Fucking great band.