The problem with AV was always the users, never the studios

[Chimpy.677]

I constantly see people complaining about the direction that porn has taken here and blaming the studios since they have nothing to do with it, they are simply companies that seek profit and this is achieved by selling what the clients want and that's it. where is the "problem", since the majority of people here have the following tastes:

1) They like pee more than women themselves. Literal.

2) They want to see the same actress 100 times (or more, if that's how you read) doing the same scene over and over again, and they never seem to get tired of it.

3) When a young and beautiful girl arrives, she goes unnoticed by them and they get to the point (2).

4) They have totally strange tastes, such as a love for prolapses and vomiting.

5) They prefer older women than young girls. It seems that when they see a beautiful woman between 18 and 21 years old it disgusts them, it is totally ununderstandable because that is when a woman is at the peak of feminine beauty.

All of the above scares away new customers, so the same users always remain, because everything sold with the characteristics mentioned before is only aimed at a very specific niche market, which is why the page entered into a debacle when it was opened. They started doing these things.

On the other hand, if you look at the golden age of LP, it was what everyone asked for, it was not niche porn, it was porn that suited all users in the world. It was bringing young and beautiful girls to have hard sex, without any strange things, that was what made LP ultra-known in the world, especially the GONZO studio, which was probably one of the best studios in history during that time. .

Well, that's what I think and I think there are several of us who have a similar opinion...

[isis666xxx]

piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

[Chimpy.677]

piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

I'm not demonizing it, I'm saying that this is niche porn and should be treated as such. Because if you don't do those they're going to end up closing all the studios in the end, that's the point.
To maximize sales you have to make porn for the non-niche user, that is, hard DP, DAP scenes but without strange additions, just like GONZO did in its golden age, which is why it did so well worldwide. , in fact LP became known all over the world because of that, you saw a GONZO DP scene and you automatically knew it was from the LP page.

[M_sicas_Candido]

When studios or websites focus on niche things like piss, vomit or the famous MAP (multiple anal penetrations) they end up standing out from the rest. This is what elevated AV to where it is today. Furthermore, I realize that AV's loyal user/fan base is larger than that of any other site of its kind. This forum also contributes to that (although, I think its golden age is over).

[dap-addict]

AV's loyal user/fan base is larger than that of any other site of its kind. This forum also contributes to that.

Exactly!
Problem started when LP owner started to mix Pornbox with his mainly mainstream and amateur porn streaming business. All from then on turned into a mess. And at the end of it they even hid this forum helping make LP great in the past!

[visigoth2020260]

AV's loyal user/fan base is larger than that of any other site of its kind. This forum also contributes to that.

Exactly!
problem started when LP owner started to mix Pornbox with his mainly mainstream and amateur porn streaming business. All from then on turned into a mess. And at the end of it, they even hid this forum, helping make LP great in the past!

Yes. Why would you hide the forum?
people Write a lot of interesting stuff and some not-so-interesting stuff.
but there are specks of gold among them.

right now the leading studios are.
GG
Yummy
AGO
MP
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EKS, but it really needs to stop using that Titan lens.

NTF & LAN became garbage studios overnight.

LTP.
Those dark outside scenes were a studio killer.
the poor, vivid lighting, windows, and LED lights were a no.
constantly the same lingerie scenario, same bitches from day one.

People may like you, but if you start to fuck them over, sooner or later they will hate you.
People are paying hard-earned dollars and expect respect from you.

Come back and pay me attention; let's knock NTF and LAN to the curb.

You need to interact on the forum and talk back.
Whoever focuses only on paying members is fuck; you ignorant; those are the ones living you.

Most of them dislike you very much. A comeback is not enough; you need a VI comeback.

[bake0213]

Emphasis on PAST. I rather doubt pornbox.com makes the bulk of their money on the 4 fetish scenes and since the forum mostly consists of users insisting on that, it's probably better to de-emphasize the forum going forward.

[Mav99ex]

3) When a young and beautiful girl arrives, she goes unnoticed by them and they get to the point (2).

You see, the problem with that is, that young AND beautiful girls are really, REALLY rare. Young AND beautiful AND willing to shoot here is even more rare.

Except for some Latin girls shooting for Natasha Teen or Lancelot, there seem to be very few new girls available these days. And even less that I would call "beautiful", but that, of course, lies in the eyes of the beholder. Personally, I find most new girls here not attractive AT ALL.

So, when there are no interesting new girls, you look for new scenes of girls you already know and like. Simple as that.

And regarding Pee and other fetishes:
It still makes the scenes stand out from all the other scenes theses girls shoot for other studios and sites. There are many cheaper, high quality options if you are into more "regular" scenes... You'll also find beautiful new girls there, only the scenes most of them are willing to do, are rather lame and boring compared to the content here...

[hyapet]

3) When a young and beautiful girl arrives, she goes unnoticed by them and they get to the point (2).

You see, the problem with that is, that young AND beautiful girls are really, REALLY rare. Young AND beautiful AND willing to shoot here is even more rare.

Except for some Latin girls shooting for Natasha Teen or Lancelot, there seem to be very few new girls available these days. And even less that I would call "beautiful", but that, of course, lies in the eyes of the beholder. Personally, I find most new girls here not attractive AT ALL.

So, when there are no interesting new girls, you look for new scenes of girls you already know and like. Simple as that.

And regarding Pee and other fetishes:
It still makes the scenes stand out from all the other scenes theses girls shoot for other studios and sites. There are many cheaper, high quality options if you are into more "regular" scenes... You'll also find beautiful new girls there, only the scenes most of them are willing to do, are rather lame and boring compared to the content here...

Out of everyone here so far - this guy gets it.

I don't think any person ever said, "I'm not going to buy this scene because it has everything I want, but it has pissing as well." Then ... get the dry version. Or, "I don't want puking in the scene ..." Typically, unless it's a puke-centered scene (in which case they wouldn't want it), the puking portion is just tied to the rough play. If they don't like it - they can skip over it. Like ... what? Did everybody here fucking forget how to use the mouse on their computer? Did everyone here suddenly watch every fucking movie from beginning to end? Fuck off with that horse shit.

The particular fetishes are in no way detracting from the scene or the people buying them. It's not even detracting from the girls who shoot for the site either. If they're hot - and they don't want to do puke and or piss - then they'll say so. If AV/PB can't shoot a scene without them doing that, and they in turn lose an incredibly beautiful model, then they deserve to go out of business. But, trust me, they don't say that. The more beautiful a girl is - the more say she has over what she does and how she does it here. Simple as that. It's called leverage. It doesn't just exist in every industry but the porn industry.

Same goes for the idea that a couple low end studios on the site are causing irreparable harm to the brand. Does the lighting and scene quality suck? Sure. But those aren't the studios that carry the site - those aren't the reasons why people come here. If they have to take the 0.05 seconds to skip over those scenes whilst looking for what they actually want - no harm done. Same goes for this endless fucking parade about "titans." Titans this - titans that. Shut the fuck up. None of this shit matters. Maybe the camera angles do - but only so much in that the capture the girl that's being shot. That's what it all fucking comes down to.

Not the stylistic choices. Not the camera angles. Not the fact that the black actors are fucking huge (which, last time I checked, was generally considered a positive in porn). This is about what actually drives fucking sales - not what some never-before-heard-of porn aficionado thinks the way porn should be shot based on their own preference. Does buddy make a good point here or there? Sure. But - that isn't what drives sales.

The one thing - the only fucking thing that drives sales - are the girls. Full. Fucking. Stop.

If they brought a girl that looks like Nikki Hill around these days - and shot her wearing clown make-up - in the back of the poorly lit clown tent - with fucking strobe lights going off - that scene would still sell like gangbusters. Because the girl looks like Nikki Hill.

That isn't the "users" fault. What? Having fucking preferences? Last time I checked - that's the driving force of any marketplace. And - lo and behold - people prefer top-of-the-line super-hot fresh-tight-and-juicy teen talent. Go. Fucking. Figure.

Not rocket science, guys.

And what led to this? Because that's where the bar was set. A whole literally line-up of super hot Russian babes would pull the most outrageous shit on this site for over a decade - so much so - that even American actresses knew that this was the space to go to in order to reach a gigantic audience. When you've got a girl that looks like Anastasia Rose coming in from the States to shoot BBC DAP with Legalporno - it's because of the other super hot girls that are doing the same thing.

Putting a cork in the Russia pipeline is what stopped this. That and OF.

Guess what - if some insanely hot girl wants to show half a nipple on OF while she's in a pig costume - non-pig-roleplay fans will be there with the johns down and their salami's in their hand.

AV/PB seems to be trying to get anyone they can that hits those standards - but outside of the South American studios (which have seemingly stopped production) - most of the white girl's on the site have the following disqualifiers for top-line beauty-dom:

1) Ordinary/non-unique/semi-ugly face,
2) Tattoo'd like a cheap whore,
3) Super skinny (crack/meth addiction skinny),
4) Balloon-like fake tits,

And there you have it. Not a lot of folks want to whip it out and crank it to girl's who look, for better or worse, pretty "meh."

There's a lot of things that AV/PB could be doing better - but, they are not entirely responsible for the situation at hand. Their entire normal playing field has gotten up-ended on them. Several times. In several different places. First Russia closes up shop. Then they start cramping down on production in South America. All the while - OF is vacuuming up all the top tier NA and European talent.

Like, switching out some fucking camera angle isn't going to solve this shit.

And blaming the users for having preferences and expecting the product they consume to be of the same quality as it's always been is downright fucking retarded.

You know - sometimes - things that suck happen. Sometimes - you don't get what you want. Sometimes - times get rough.

Blaming AV/PB for this entire thing is short-sighted and flat out false. As is suggesting minor tweaks to their set-up or display can off-set major world-events and a complete re-shifting of the entire industry floor. You know - the NA teen studios are shooting MILFS and girl's that ... don't really inspire Mr. Johnson to do his stretches - and this is the fucking market where encouraging a young white teen girl to jump on a big black cock is the same as encouraging somebody who's on fire to jump into water.

Blaming AV/PB for this stuff misses the reality of the situation.

Blaming the users of either the forum or the customers of AV/PB is even dumber.

End of discussion.

[M_sicas_Candido]

So, when there are no interesting new girls, you look for new scenes of girls you already know and like.

Yes, that is exactly what is happening. We lost the source of new and interesting girls - the Russian studios (especially NRX and EK). Those production companies were experts in recruiting beautiful, successful talents. To this day, I'm amazed at how they managed to shoot intense 3-hour scenes with girls who were still new to the industry. Not to mention the direction of the scenes, which was of a very high level. Truly, professionalism like theirs does not exist anywhere else.

So in conclusion: if there are no new girls worth investing our valuable tickets for, we are forced to settle for the veteran actresses.

[House MD]

piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

I'm not demonizing it, I'm saying that this is niche porn and should be treated as such. Because if you don't do those they're going to end up closing all the studios in the end, that's the point.
To maximize sales you have to make porn for the non-niche user, that is, hard DP, DAP scenes but without strange additions, just like GONZO did in its golden age, which is why it did so well worldwide. , in fact LP became known all over the world because of that, you saw a GONZO DP scene and you automatically knew it was from the LP page.

You bunch of GIO cockgobblers have your head so deep in Giorgio's syphilictic ass you don't even realize these are all variants of PISS:
- Vomit: is just the chick puking piss after drinking piss
- Prolapse is just the chick forcing piss out her buthole after that lame ass pissing static motionless boring tip fuck only Analpiss has the trademark
You can't and shall never realize [size=200]piss is an obsessive pervasive nuisance plaguing this site and running it down the gutter to where it now solemnly belongs[/size]

[isis666xxx]

piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

I'm not demonizing it

4) They have totally strange tastes, such as a love for prolapses and vomiting.

well u say we have 'strange tastes'

and ur always saying bad things about them so

also if u fuck a girl deep in the throat hard shes gonna vomit naturally, so you are afraid of hard deepthroat????

HAHAH

too extreme and hardcore for u??????

hahah

u are afraid of hardcore extreme fun stuff uh?????

[isis666xxx]

in Giorgio's syphilictic ass

O_O

you are basically like disrespecting the king

you think you can fuck with the king????

you can disrespect the peasants but the king no

giorgio is one of the greatests porn directors in the world

i think this is like the equivalent in medieval hierarchy

[Vancouver]

piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

I'm not demonizing it, I'm saying that this is niche porn and should be treated as such. Because if you don't do those they're going to end up closing all the studios in the end, that's the point.
To maximize sales you have to make porn for the non-niche user, that is, hard DP, DAP scenes but without strange additions, just like GONZO did in its golden age, which is why it did so well worldwide. , in fact LP became known all over the world because of that, you saw a GONZO DP scene and you automatically knew it was from the LP page.

if I want a cheeseburger, I don't storm into Pizza Hut and yell and scream at them for selling pizzas.

This site is heavily covered by gangbang, piss, DAP, vomit, anal fisting, and associated sex acts to those. If you do not like these types of scenes, there are many other platforms that do not serve up these niches.

You don't own AV/LP so you don't need to worry about how much money they or the studios make. They wouldn't be here if it didnt sell. The niche audience is big enough for them to be successful.

[Kslvt]

4) They have totally strange tastes, such as a love for prolapses and vomiting.


BlaBlaBla ... Always the same judgements coming from people too cosy and gentle for REAL hardcore sex.
I think people like you ARE the reason for the decline of porn in general ...
Its golden age in the 2010s began to decline as all the platforms that made REAL hardcore content began to casualize.

Today, 99% of sites are content with basic porn, where anal and DP constitute the pinnacle of “hardcore” lol ...
PornBox is one of the last bastions for hardcore sex lovers.
It's because of YOU that the business plans of the sites are screwed up and that mediocre platforms like OF etc. are exploding.

And that's a tragedy for consumers, who find themselves having to pay outrageous sums to see something a bit special.

PukePorn IS Pure hardcore SEX porn ... And the word SEX is important u know why ?
If u fuck a girl's throat with no mercy she gonna PUKE !! That's natural !! THAT IS F.CKING HARDCORE SEX .. Not a "strange things"
Same for prolapse ... this is PURE HARDCORE ANAL SEX !!
LITTERALY EVERY GIRL WHO'S DOING ANAL at a certain point will have a nice and sweet PROLAPSE !!!
Mainstream company just hide it ... to keep their audiences under an illusion ... it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to be an anal whore without ending up prolapsing !!!

I REALLY don't understand why people like you are constantly judging people's interest in hardcore sex ...
I mean: LITERALLY the whole internet is filled with sweet sites made for you!!!
Sites which, by the way, are all declining and will end up closing or releasing a scene at the very least, which is pretty much the case for the vast majority.

Hardcore porn sells because it's rare ... thanks to people like you
Studios should systematically do a soft and hard version of their scenes, and compare sales, I think it would be fun.
We can already do it with GIO, which censors piss, and the results are convincing.

Let's take the concept a step further: Literally censor all DAP/DVP and any practices that are a little too “hard” ...
Then you'll see why PornBox exists and who its audience really is.

By wanting to restrict the freedom of creation of sites, you ultimately restrict your OWN freedom!!!

At this rate, we're all going to end up paying hundreds of dollars a month to have the incredible opportunity to see a girl on OF show us her pussy and maybe fingering in the best case scenario, as supply and demand will shift in their favor and as the big productions will have casualized their demands and will inevitably end up closing down.

[hyapet]

Actually Kslvt, that isn't really the full picture.

There is a lot of truth with what you say. And the manner in which a market will react is as you describe it. However, it goes a little deeper than that. And really - it's about (ironically) the user's tastes and preferences. Which is why we're seeing most traditionally "hardcore" porn studios either stop producing porn or greatly reduce their output.

Now, when I say "tastes and preferences," you think I'm talking about puking or piss or prolapse or any other of that more "extreme end" of content. I'm not. I'm talking about the appetite for ... consuming porn in general.

Here's the thing - the male portion of Western and Eastern societies roughly ten to twenty years ago - consumed porn because they enjoyed the sexual excitement of it. They would, or could, actually get laid. Meaning! Meaning, they actually had the girlfriend experience available to them. Now - reality dictates - not all girl's out there are 10/10's. Or, even, realistically, 6/10's. So, these guys would watch a porno of an actual girl that was an 8,9,10/10, go home, turn off the lights, and Bam! Sexual excitement was still on the menu.

These days - a gigantic chunk of men can't, won't, or don't even talk to girls or women. They ... wouldn't get very far if they did anyways. Out of a group of 100 men, 5 of them actually qualify as the "top tier dudes." These guys, at 6'2, ripped with muscles, handsome, driving an expensive car, and earning a six-digit income, are every lady's dream. And guess what! All the ladies can have them!

They literally line up, one after another after another, on the dating apps waiting to get the affirmative from their Chad or Tyrone of choice. And once they do - and then get run through - they're set. They've achieved a satisfaction with their man of choice, sexually and egotistically, that the other 95 dudes could never provide. They got a top tier man! Ergo, that means they're a top tier girl. Meaning - the other 95% of dudes - who were never preferred to begin with - have absolutely zero chance now of getting anything other than punched in the face for going near any woman who's finished lining up (and is lining up again) at the Chad and Tyrone buffets.

Before, in earlier generations, men had some kind of contact with women, often not just bumping uglies, but in having their presence actually recognized, affirmed, and legitimized. Now ... they're pretty much invisible to the world. Meaning ...

What they desire has also changed. Is looking at the beautiful girl almost going naked exciting? Sure is to these guys who've never seen one who wasn't scowling or laughing at them. But, more than that, actually being able to talk to the girl is what sends them into overdrive. Not only is the girl gorgeous - but! She's actually acknowledging that they exist.

This is how far men have fallen.

Everyone treats OF as the cause of the collapse of the traditional porn market, but really, it's more the symptom. The girl (often) doesn't have to get nude at all - but just sits there, fully clothed, pretending to type to her audience. Meaning, a team of Indians at a call center in Delhi are pretending to be her to all the guy's that are dropping massive amounts of cash so that she'll slightly touch the rim of her bra, cross her legs, or giggle as they're talking to them.

Giorgio Grandi really nailed it when he said that this was the greatest threat facing AV/PB/his studios. Ask any truly beautiful girl if she would rather make a million dollars by sitting in front of a camera doing nothing for a couple of years or make five thousand taking two baseball bat sized cocks up her ass at the same time - and it's not hard to see the clear and obvious answer.

And what are guys attracted to? Only the hottest women, right? And what do they and can they offer? A placebo girlfriend experience where some guy can lie to himself for a few minutes that this girl, maybe, in some universe, on some timeline, somewhere out there in the literally infinite cosmos, might actually acknowledge who he is.

So ... the traditional porn market softened because now girl's have way more bargaining power. Most girl's probably don't want the two baseball bat sized cocks at the same time (understandable), and now that the actual demand for the "type of service" they provide has shifted, you're typically left with a much smaller audience that actually wants the "traditional porn experience."

Meaning - the type of girl's that line up to do the heavier stuff are no longer the 8's, 9's, and 10's that we saw in porn's hey-day, but rather, the 5's, 6's, 7's, and sometimes, yes sometimes, an 8 or a 9. I mean, even North American studios that shot nothing but the most drop-dead gorgeous teens are now shooting mis-shapen MILFS.

What this means is that the amount of money that would be flowing from the more traditional porn consumer is also going to dry up further. People aren't going to shell out the same amount of cash for the 5's as for the 9's.

Meaning, the traditional business are either going to shut down or "be able to just survive."

I think AV/PB will be more than able to survive. But - many others will close down. And the type of girls and content you used to see coming out on the regular will be a lot more sparse and fewer and further in-between than it once was. This all being said - AV/PB is doing an incredible job of securing as much top-ranking talent as it can and shooting some of the best porn it's ever shot (from a technical and male-talent angle).

But the market has changed. The porn consumer has changed. And what the forever-alone hopefully-if-I-pay-this-girl-ten-grand-she'll-acknowledge-me pay pigs have shown us is that a gigantic slice of the porn pie has now gone towards OF. Not only this - but with AI sites offering stuff like "a hundred "image changes" for ten bucks" - a lot of money and attention is going there now as well.

It's not because the sites decided to go way lighter or turn their back on the harder content. It's that the market has transformed to the "new generation's preferences."

And those preferences have almost next to nothing to do with the porn itself and the way it's produced and almost everything to do with the societal and educational surroundings they're surrounded/influenced by and forced to live with.

[M_sicas_Candido]

the type of girl's that line up to do the heavier stuff are no longer the 8's, 9's, and 10's that we saw in porn's hey-day, but rather, the 5's, 6's, 7's, and sometimes, yes sometimes, an 8 or a 9.

Maybe a greater investment in South America (like Yummy has been doing) and - let's hope - the end of the Ukraine war can change this disheartening scenario of "really pretty girls do not shooting hardcore anymore".

[hyapet]

the type of girl's that line up to do the heavier stuff are no longer the 8's, 9's, and 10's that we saw in porn's hey-day, but rather, the 5's, 6's, 7's, and sometimes, yes sometimes, an 8 or a 9.

Maybe a greater investment in South America (like Yummy has been doing) and - let's hope - the end of the Ukraine war can change this disheartening scenario of "really pretty girls do not shooting hardcore anymore".

Well, sure, okay. I'm not disagreeing with you, but ...

What's essentially being said here is, "I hope there's a place in the world that is poor enough where we can still hope to get some actually attractive girls to shoot porn." The days of, "Man ... that girl is hot ! I wonder if she'll shoot porn ... oh my God! She's starting a career!" are ... kind of over. The only place where it isn't is in Japan, and that's because they are seemingly locked into some kind of time-warp where everything traditional is held onto with an iron grip.

Japanese girls go and shoot absolutely degrading porn with porn studios because that's the only place where guys will go and buy porn from. They could go to OF - and perhaps attract a Western audience - but the boys and men of Japan are locked fully into their respective porn industry - and to be fair, they can and do shoot some absolutely incredible porn. That's even without stuff like DAP's/DVP's or even being able to see the girl's private parts - still ! The porn they make (not all of it - but tons of titles) is fantastic.

But ... everywhere else? That entirely robust and perfectly sculpted American white girl body with the baby face? Gone from traditional porn. The just-turned-18 girl who's fresh as the dew on a morning daisy? Gone. The girls who are completely natural in their physique? Gone. The girl's who aren't tattooed up the wazoo and look like they've got a five-gram-a-day meth addiction? Gone.

Like - not completely. Day after day - week after week - AV/PB brings out girls in scenes that are, in all actuality, really good. But - they seem to top out at the 8.5/9 out of 10. And to be absolutely fair to AV/PB - it's incredibly amazing that they can even get those. Like, it is legitimately an absolute accomplishment. Thing is ... there is no longer that one 10/10 or 11/10 that is just ... oh my God ! Somebody who absolutely rivets you to the screen during the entire performance and whose scene becomes a staple in all of porndom going forward. The last of those girls was Russian.

These days - the South American studios are bringing in a crop of absolutely incredible performers. The Hayek sisters - Ruby Walker - Jenny Pretinha - just ... all of them pretty much. They are indeed incredible. But ...

And I hate this ... but there is a but ...

The full table hasn't been set. The beautiful pale-skinned, blue-eyed, naturally blonde-haired young-teen (that Russia gave in such readied abundance) has been taken off the menu.

It's like going to a three-Michelin star meal, but then not having a brandy and cigar afterwards. There's ... something missing ...

And that's not pointing a finger at AV/PB. Pointing that finger, like, actually pointing that finger, would be like complaining there's no desert during a world-wide famine, and AV/PB just gave you a good sized meal.

But ... the heart wants what the heart wants ... and even if you are grateful, to the core of your being, that AV/PB is giving you a meal during such dire times ... there's still a part of you ... even if you would dare never say it (ironic, all things considered, seeing that's exactly what I'm doing here) ... but the very inside of you is going ... "Man ... some canned peaches would hit the spot right now ...[/I]"

So ...

Yeah, it's great that the South American studios can fill the gap left by everyone else to some degree.

But that's like being happy that the hurricane missed your little island right before it's about to slam into the gigantic mainland coastal city. The overall prognosis for the industry itself does not look good. Between OF, AI, and especially, the pussification of men and, in turn, the morphing of their spending habits ...

Even if we're happy that AV/PB is allowing us to all eat during these times - it's kind of hard to get too excited for stale bread and canned beans. I mean ... that's a really harsh statement. AV/PB is doing everything it can, and is indeed so much more than stale bread and canned beans, but ...

Without those 10/10 - 11/10 performers breaking through once or twice a year - everybody that's going to the restaurant is ordering what they got - and not necessarily what they want.

[Kslvt]

Actually Kslvt, that isn't really the full picture.

There is a lot of truth with what you say. And the manner in which a market will react is as you describe it. However, it goes a little deeper than that. And really - it's about (ironically) the user's tastes and preferences. Which is why we're seeing most traditionally "hardcore" porn studios either stop producing porn or greatly reduce their output.

Now, when I say "tastes and preferences," you think I'm talking about puking or piss or prolapse or any other of that more "extreme end" of content. I'm not. I'm talking about the appetite for ... consuming porn in general.

Here's the thing - the male portion of Western and Eastern societies roughly ten to twenty years ago - consumed porn because they enjoyed the sexual excitement of it. They would, or could, actually get laid. Meaning! Meaning, they actually had the girlfriend experience available to them. Now - reality dictates - not all girl's out there are 10/10's. Or, even, realistically, 6/10's. So, these guys would watch a porno of an actual girl that was an 8,9,10/10, go home, turn off the lights, and Bam! Sexual excitement was still on the menu.

These days - a gigantic chunk of men can't, won't, or don't even talk to girls or women. They ... wouldn't get very far if they did anyways. Out of a group of 100 men, 5 of them actually qualify as the "top tier dudes." These guys, at 6'2, ripped with muscles, handsome, driving an expensive car, and earning a six-digit income, are every lady's dream. And guess what! All the ladies can have them!

They literally line up, one after another after another, on the dating apps waiting to get the affirmative from their Chad or Tyrone of choice. And once they do - and then get run through - they're set. They've achieved a satisfaction with their man of choice, sexually and egotistically, that the other 95 dudes could never provide. They got a top tier man! Ergo, that means they're a top tier girl. Meaning - the other 95% of dudes - who were never preferred to begin with - have absolutely zero chance now of getting anything other than punched in the face for going near any woman who's finished lining up (and is lining up again) at the Chad and Tyrone buffets.

Before, in earlier generations, men had some kind of contact with women, often not just bumping uglies, but in having their presence actually recognized, affirmed, and legitimized. Now ... they're pretty much invisible to the world. Meaning ...

What they desire has also changed. Is looking at the beautiful girl almost going naked exciting? Sure is to these guys who've never seen one who wasn't scowling or laughing at them. But, more than that, actually being able to talk to the girl is what sends them into overdrive. Not only is the girl gorgeous - but! She's actually acknowledging that they exist.

This is how far men have fallen.

Everyone treats OF as the cause of the collapse of the traditional porn market, but really, it's more the symptom. The girl (often) doesn't have to get nude at all - but just sits there, fully clothed, pretending to type to her audience. Meaning, a team of Indians at a call center in Delhi are pretending to be her to all the guy's that are dropping massive amounts of cash so that she'll slightly touch the rim of her bra, cross her legs, or giggle as they're talking to them.

Giorgio Grandi really nailed it when he said that this was the greatest threat facing AV/PB/his studios. Ask any truly beautiful girl if she would rather make a million dollars by sitting in front of a camera doing nothing for a couple of years or make five thousand taking two baseball bat sized cocks up her ass at the same time - and it's not hard to see the clear and obvious answer.

And what are guys attracted to? Only the hottest women, right? And what do they and can they offer? A placebo girlfriend experience where some guy can lie to himself for a few minutes that this girl, maybe, in some universe, on some timeline, somewhere out there in the literally infinite cosmos, might actually acknowledge who he is.

So ... the traditional porn market softened because now girl's have way more bargaining power. Most girl's probably don't want the two baseball bat sized cocks at the same time (understandable), and now that the actual demand for the "type of service" they provide has shifted, you're typically left with a much smaller audience that actually wants the "traditional porn experience."

Meaning - the type of girl's that line up to do the heavier stuff are no longer the 8's, 9's, and 10's that we saw in porn's hey-day, but rather, the 5's, 6's, 7's, and sometimes, yes sometimes, an 8 or a 9. I mean, even North American studios that shot nothing but the most drop-dead gorgeous teens are now shooting mis-shapen MILFS.

What this means is that the amount of money that would be flowing from the more traditional porn consumer is also going to dry up further. People aren't going to shell out the same amount of cash for the 5's as for the 9's.

Meaning, the traditional business are either going to shut down or "be able to just survive."

I think AV/PB will be more than able to survive. But - many others will close down. And the type of girls and content you used to see coming out on the regular will be a lot more sparse and fewer and further in-between than it once was. This all being said - AV/PB is doing an incredible job of securing as much top-ranking talent as it can and shooting some of the best porn it's ever shot (from a technical and male-talent angle).

But the market has changed. The porn consumer has changed. And what the forever-alone hopefully-if-I-pay-this-girl-ten-grand-she'll-acknowledge-me pay pigs have shown us is that a gigantic slice of the porn pie has now gone towards OF. Not only this - but with AI sites offering stuff like "a hundred "image changes" for ten bucks" - a lot of money and attention is going there now as well.

It's not because the sites decided to go way lighter or turn their back on the harder content. It's that the market has transformed to the "new generation's preferences."

And those preferences have almost next to nothing to do with the porn itself and the way it's produced and almost everything to do with the societal and educational surroundings they're surrounded/influenced by and forced to live with.

I totally agree with you.

My first response was mainly to answer the point I quoted, so the analysis I developed is partial and your addition completes the picture.

I'm perfectly aware that girls are now making thousands of dollars effortlessly and that the whole industry is moving in that direction, and i ABSOLUTELY HATE IT, which is why it's essential that productions with a DEMANDING audience continue to exist and that those that pander to the very casual trend end up disappearing naturally, as is currently the case.

The porn world is at a turning point, it's crucial to support atypical and quality productions like LPAV so that we don't all end up in a world of cuck, in love with a girl they'll never see and who doesn't give a fuck about them, who are happy to pay hundreds of dollars to see a piece of boob they'll never touch.

Porn is only business, Everyone has their own interests, the girls want to make as much money as possible without even taking their clothes off, the productions just want to make money, so the key is the consumer, and casuals, who unfortunately represent the vast majority of porn, are a loss for everyone.

HARDCORE CONSUMERS NEED TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SOLUTION!

[hyapet]

I totally agree with you.

My first response was mainly to answer the point I quoted, so the analysis I developed is partial and your addition completes the picture.

I'm perfectly aware that girls are now making thousands of dollars effortlessly and that the whole industry is moving in that direction, and i ABSOLUTELY HATE IT, which is why it's essential that productions with a DEMANDING audience continue to exist and that those that pander to the very casual trend end up disappearing naturally, as is currently the case.

The porn world is at a turning point, it's crucial to support atypical and quality productions like LPAV so that we don't all end up in a world of cuck, in love with a girl they'll never see and who doesn't give a fuck about them, who are happy to pay hundreds of dollars to see a piece of boob they'll never touch.

Porn is only business, Everyone has their own interests, the girls want to make as much money as possible without even taking their clothes off, the productions just want to make money, so the key is the consumer, and casuals, who unfortunately represent the vast majority of porn, are a loss for everyone.

HARDCORE CONSUMERS NEED TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SOLUTION!

Well, the only "standing up" that exists in porn is with the wallet. The wallet dictates what happens.

Truthfully, the only way the traditional porn market can currently survive is by hoovering up the girl's who just can't seem to make it work on OF. Whether this is through poor marketing, a poor stage set-up, or a personality that just isn't built for the "manipulate men to give you tons of cash for nothing." There are many, many, many girls on OF who are making nowhere near their potential, and because they lack the intrinsic socio/psychopathic manipulative powers, or the proper connections, are most likely not going to get very far in the OF landscape. They are still incredibly beautiful. Just not able to make it work on the platform.

The dream of OF is to "not really do porn." The minute you're in a porno - and you're banging dudes - a line that, according to them, has been crossed. The reality is, the minute they have their face on a picture that has the words "OF" in them, they've already crossed that line. Whether or not they've even been nude. They might perceive it to be different, but reality, actual reality, shows them as somebody who's willing to sell their body for money. Through whatever means or format.

It's a pretty big line to cross - one that prohibits any actual self-respecting man from dating and or marrying them in the future. Or, like ... what? Their kid is going to have their classmates showing them pictures of their mom dressed in a bear suit, bending over, with her tits flopping out? The husband is going to have the same thing happen when he goes to work? No. Doing porn is, sadly, pretty much a one-way ticket-punch to a pretty devious lifestyle afterwards. Or, at the very least, a lifestyle that prohibits a lot of good people from entering into their lives from that point forward.

This is usually the point where somebody comes out and says, "Arrrrgh! You're going on an anti-porn rant again!" That isn't my intent. My intent in pointing out this reality is that actual porn producers would have a lot easier time than they would believe in recruiting these girls onto the different platforms. Especially when, secretly or non-secretly, the girl's know what they're actually doing as well.

More than doable. Find girls who are both beautiful and rank low on the income ladder on OF - join their platform - leave a small touch of money - get in contact with them - start a discussion - and then let it be known that they could make thousands for an actual shoot. Start them out with a try-out that's very light and easy. And then say that the response was good and that a larger contract is available for them. Get them to sign an NRX-type contract, with the promise of extensions based on agreed-upon performance metrics, that has them going all the way up to a BBC DAP. Seems ... pretty straight forward actually.

The other thing that needs to happen is, as you said, men have to actually men up. They have to leave the cuck-cups they put on their cocks by the roadside and learn not to intrinsically hate themselves. A counter-movement is forming, but it will still take time (and a few miracles) for it to become an actual Western/Eastern society-wide shifting of priorities and outlooks.

You have to remember, these "men" have been lambasted and humiliated literally everywhere they've set foot inside of for their entire lives. The school system taught them that they're intrinsically evil just because they're men. The media and everyday workplace backed that up - as well as the legal systems - so that everywhere they turn they're told that they're worthless for just being who they were born as.

Essentially an entire generation of porn payers have been sacrificed on the steps of the pay pig temple. The already-born beta-personalities became something even lower - and, likewise, many alphas were transformed into betas.

"Standing up" assumes that these men are us. They aren't. If you showed them a hard BBC DAP scene, they would be confused. Why are the men being so aggressive? Why are they enjoying the sex? Why aren't the women dictating what's happening on the screen? The porn would scare them too much for them to even know what to do with it. A lifetime of hating themselves and having everyone else pretty much hate them as well would have nullified any erection they would've had anyways, never mind not having any clue what the men on the screen were actually doing, and why they were "allowed to get away with it."

I remember years ago - I saw a video of some white teenager apologizing for being white. And I was like ... my fucking God ... what a fucking loser ... But ...

He was just an extremely early and extremely successful example of what the Western world wanted to turn it's men into.

And now ... there's going to be more of these pieces of shit floating down the river of porn consumption.

And if you think they're going to spend one nickel on what we watch, instead of thousands of dollars to a girl's who's going to purposefully treat them like a piece of shit, both behind their back and to their face, just because she's actually talking to them ...

Then you haven't seen how low so many of this generation's men have gone.

[dap-addict]

I dont agree with everything, but this is the core and yes, given enough attention and some real investments into scouting, this is doable:

More than doable. Find girls who are both beautiful and rank low on the income ladder on OF - join their platform - leave a small touch of money - get in contact with them - start a discussion - and then let it be known that they could make thousands for an actual shoot. Start them out with a try-out that's very light and easy. And then say that the response was good and that a larger contract is available for them. Get them to sign an NRX-type contract, with the promise of extensions based on agreed-upon performance metrics, that has them going all the way up to a BBC DAP. Seems ... pretty straight forward actually.

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[isis666xxx]

i wonder if hyapet has ever heard the saying TL;DR (too long, didnt read)

do a lot of people actually read all those big texts hyapet write????

sorry for me they are too long

if Giorgio would write a big text like that i would read it, but from a peasant no

[Kslvt]

I totally agree with you.

My first response was mainly to answer the point I quoted, so the analysis I developed is partial and your addition completes the picture.

I'm perfectly aware that girls are now making thousands of dollars effortlessly and that the whole industry is moving in that direction, and i ABSOLUTELY HATE IT, which is why it's essential that productions with a DEMANDING audience continue to exist and that those that pander to the very casual trend end up disappearing naturally, as is currently the case.

The porn world is at a turning point, it's crucial to support atypical and quality productions like LPAV so that we don't all end up in a world of cuck, in love with a girl they'll never see and who doesn't give a fuck about them, who are happy to pay hundreds of dollars to see a piece of boob they'll never touch.

Porn is only business, Everyone has their own interests, the girls want to make as much money as possible without even taking their clothes off, the productions just want to make money, so the key is the consumer, and casuals, who unfortunately represent the vast majority of porn, are a loss for everyone.

HARDCORE CONSUMERS NEED TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SOLUTION!

Well, the only "standing up" that exists in porn is with the wallet. The wallet dictates what happens.

Truthfully, the only way the traditional porn market can currently survive is by hoovering up the girl's who just can't seem to make it work on OF. Whether this is through poor marketing, a poor stage set-up, or a personality that just isn't built for the "manipulate men to give you tons of cash for nothing." There are many, many, many girls on OF who are making nowhere near their potential, and because they lack the intrinsic socio/psychopathic manipulative powers, or the proper connections, are most likely not going to get very far in the OF landscape. They are still incredibly beautiful. Just not able to make it work on the platform.

The dream of OF is to "not really do porn." The minute you're in a porno - and you're banging dudes - a line that, according to them, has been crossed. The reality is, the minute they have their face on a picture that has the words "OF" in them, they've already crossed that line. Whether or not they've even been nude. They might perceive it to be different, but reality, actual reality, shows them as somebody who's willing to sell their body for money. Through whatever means or format.

It's a pretty big line to cross - one that prohibits any actual self-respecting man from dating and or marrying them in the future. Or, like ... what? Their kid is going to have their classmates showing them pictures of their mom dressed in a bear suit, bending over, with her tits flopping out? The husband is going to have the same thing happen when he goes to work? No. Doing porn is, sadly, pretty much a one-way ticket-punch to a pretty devious lifestyle afterwards. Or, at the very least, a lifestyle that prohibits a lot of good people from entering into their lives from that point forward.

This is usually the point where somebody comes out and says, "Arrrrgh! You're going on an anti-porn rant again!" That isn't my intent. My intent in pointing out this reality is that actual porn producers would have a lot easier time than they would believe in recruiting these girls onto the different platforms. Especially when, secretly or non-secretly, the girl's know what they're actually doing as well.

More than doable. Find girls who are both beautiful and rank low on the income ladder on OF - join their platform - leave a small touch of money - get in contact with them - start a discussion - and then let it be known that they could make thousands for an actual shoot. Start them out with a try-out that's very light and easy. And then say that the response was good and that a larger contract is available for them. Get them to sign an NRX-type contract, with the promise of extensions based on agreed-upon performance metrics, that has them going all the way up to a BBC DAP. Seems ... pretty straight forward actually.

The other thing that needs to happen is, as you said, men have to actually men up. They have to leave the cuck-cups they put on their cocks by the roadside and learn not to intrinsically hate themselves. A counter-movement is forming, but it will still take time (and a few miracles) for it to become an actual Western/Eastern society-wide shifting of priorities and outlooks.

You have to remember, these "men" have been lambasted and humiliated literally everywhere they've set foot inside of for their entire lives. The school system taught them that they're intrinsically evil just because they're men. The media and everyday workplace backed that up - as well as the legal systems - so that everywhere they turn they're told that they're worthless for just being who they were born as.

Essentially an entire generation of porn payers have been sacrificed on the steps of the pay pig temple. The already-born beta-personalities became something even lower - and, likewise, many alphas were transformed into betas.

"Standing up" assumes that these men are us. They aren't. If you showed them a hard BBC DAP scene, they would be confused. Why are the men being so aggressive? Why are they enjoying the sex? Why aren't the women dictating what's happening on the screen? The porn would scare them too much for them to even know what to do with it. A lifetime of hating themselves and having everyone else pretty much hate them as well would have nullified any erection they would've had anyways, never mind not having any clue what the men on the screen were actually doing, and why they were "allowed to get away with it."

I remember years ago - I saw a video of some white teenager apologizing for being white. And I was like ... my fucking God ... what a fucking loser ... But ...

He was just an extremely early and extremely successful example of what the Western world wanted to turn it's men into.

And now ... there's going to be more of these pieces of shit floating down the river of porn consumption.

And if you think they're going to spend one nickel on what we watch, instead of thousands of dollars to a girl's who's going to purposefully treat them like a piece of shit, both behind their back and to their face, just because she's actually talking to them ...

Then you haven't seen how low so many of this generation's men have gone.

Once again, I totally agree with you and I really like the way you push the analysis to the psychological level, because that's the real key to understanding.

I may be expressing myself badly, but let's make sure we understand each other:

I'm fully aware of men's submission to debilitating feminist dictates and their decadence when it comes to accepting their nature and deepest desires.

That's why, at my level, I'm constantly fighting against this imposition of the female goddess just because she's a woman, even more so in the world of porn.
What makes a model desirable and admirable is performance, nothing more, she can be as beautiful as she wants, man we do porn, it's about money so do what I want or I just don't pay.
And I also feel that there's a more general awakening to this state of affairs, but as you said, it's going to take a lot of time.

It will still take time and many miracles for us to start again on healthy and logical bases.

Nothing is more unbearable to me than all these beta cucks and the mentality that goes with them, the whole point of my remarks and therefore to say: Everyone's tastes are ok, but NEVER, NEVER, extreme and hardcore fans must be restrained in their desires and ESPECIALLY submit to the dictates of all the castrates who do not want it to go too far because they do not like it and they think that it harms their beloved goddess who does not has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Everything is money, from the moment we pay, our voice counts, and the voice of hardcore fans must wake up, assert themselves and constantly fight against the casuals who cut off their balls

[hyapet]

Once again, I totally agree with you and I really like the way you push the analysis to the psychological level, because that's the real key to understanding.

I may be expressing myself badly, but let's make sure we understand each other:

I'm fully aware of men's submission to debilitating feminist dictates and their decadence when it comes to accepting their nature and deepest desires.

That's why, at my level, I'm constantly fighting against this imposition of the female goddess just because she's a woman, even more so in the world of porn.
What makes a model desirable and admirable is performance, nothing more, she can be as beautiful as she wants, man we do porn, it's about money so do what I want or I just don't pay.
And I also feel that there's a more general awakening to this state of affairs, but as you said, it's going to take a lot of time.

It will still take time and many miracles for us to start again on healthy and logical bases.

Nothing is more unbearable to me than all these beta cucks and the mentality that goes with them, the whole point of my remarks and therefore to say: Everyone's tastes are ok, but NEVER, NEVER, extreme and hardcore fans must be restrained in their desires and ESPECIALLY submit to the dictates of all the castrates who do not want it to go too far because they do not like it and they think that it harms their beloved goddess who does not has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Everything is money, from the moment we pay, our voice counts, and the voice of hardcore fans must wake up, assert themselves and constantly fight against the casuals who cut off their balls

I get where you're coming from - but your analogy of "constantly fighting against the casuals" doesn't ... doesn't make sense. Let me explain.

Everyone has a porn preference, right? Some like this - some like that - and typically, what you like is where your money goes. "Fighting against the casuals" suggests that, in some way or form, we can assert our dominance over said casuals and make them buy the porn that we like.

We can certainly fight them in the culture wars. We can certainly list many of the horrific things feminism has done to women - but, at the end of the day, if some loser wants to pay a OF girl thousands of dollars so that she shoots a video where she's slowly taking off her sock whilst describing how she's going to choke him with it, then those are thousands of dollars that just aren't going to the AV/PB scenes like they used to. There's no "fighting that." The money is simply ... gone.

Now with OF being absolutely littered with top tier beauties, with each one of them having both a brand and a business incentive to break as few ladder rungs as possible and keep themselves as fully clothed for as long as possible (which, from both a business and a brand perspective makes perfect sense), then how is AV/PB supposed to "fight" against that?

A business contract is indeed a business contract. But, that only works if the girl actually signs it.

Businesses take time to morph and change. It's easy for us to sit here and be like, "Hey, AV/PB should go fish the lower rungs of the top tier OF beauties and get them to do porn." It's absolutely another to actually go out there and do it. That's not saying that it's impossible, but it most likely takes time to find out the best methods and contracts, for all parties, before that "new method of talent acquisition" can be fully put into place.

What I've seen from AV/PB is that they are indeed trying. We've got Jewelz Blu and Sweetie Fox here right now. Those are OF girls that can be classified as absolutely fucking hot. Thing is - they're not breaking any ladder rungs just yet. But ... that makes sense. Get a coral of OF girls together first in the same pond, and then start offering bonuses/incentives to those who are willing to try shoots with the more traditional studios. While also, most likely, including incentives like profit-sharing, where, in order to fully compete with the OF model, you can't just give these girls one time payments anymore.

That can work both ways, though. If the girl brings an audience, and then makes profit off of that kind of content, people who like that kind of content will gravitate towards that performer (giving her a bigger audience), and that girl's existing audience will be introduced to more hardcore kinds of content (increasing the size of our audience as well). A win-win if there ever was one.

But - that shit takes time. No snapping your fingers and everything's in place with that kind of stuff.

If you look at the first couple years of NRX studios - they were just getting their flag planted in the ground - making contacts with different modeling agencies - figuring out their style - and getting the male talent together as well. Everyone here flips out over the last 12 - 18 months of content from the studio - but that required a significant warm-up before that was allowed to coalesce the way that it did.

That's most likely the case for AV/PB as well. The people who make inroads into the OF market will be the ones with the most successful studios - bar none. Guys want to see cute soft teens with little bunny ears and infectious giggles get defiled, not plastic-filled, skin-and-bones, actual-35-but-looks-50, must-be-addicted-to-drugs, probably-a-hooker performers that, my guess is, aren't really moving the sales needle.

Like any industry, it's survive or die. If they want it bad enough, and they figure out a way, they (hopefully) can use OF to their advantage. At that point, if OF becomes your "modeling agency," then there's nothing stopping AV/PB from becoming the world-leader in hardcore content. It always was, in a very large fashion, but now it'll just be official seeing as how many traditional studios are struggling.

So, yeah ... the only "fight" that AV/PB can do is make the absolutely best damn product it can. Which, I fully believe, it regularly does and always tries to do.

They can't go out there and fight the culture wars, though. It has no spot at that table. If tomorrow, half of the western men feel like their biggest dream is getting their balls stepped on by a chick, then there's nothing AV/PB can do about that shit. There's no fighting that.

That's up to the men, and the culture's they come from, themselves.

All AV/PB can do is try and be it's very best. Even if the market is shrinking, that still remains the best, if not the only, way to get sales.

[hyapet]

i wonder if hyapet has ever heard the saying TL;DR (too long, didnt read)

do a lot of people actually read all those big texts hyapet write????

sorry for me they are too long

if Giorgio would write a big text like that i would read it, but from a peasant no

You would need to fully read the text before understanding who you're talking to, no?

I get what you're saying. Many of these replies are deep dives into subjects that actually answer the questions people constantly ask, like, "What can we do about OF?" And, "Why are there less sales then there used to be?"

You know - maybe if folks read the answers to those questions - they wouldn't say the exact same thing over and over and over again in the other topics when it comes to complaints or bitching about what they have issues with.

But the replies are very long - I do appreciate what you're trying to say with that. I will always provide a full-depth analysis, but I will try to make those as short as possible going forward. So that, by absolutely sound logical means, more people are encouraged to read them.

[M_sicas_Candido]

I don't think it's fair only to blame so-called emasculated losers for the decline in the quality of pornography today. Stupid people have always existed.

Girls who are starting their careers in OF are very lazy compared to the performers really professionals and are willing to invest in their pornographic career. If you do a quick search you will discover that several professional performers (even those who work(ed) in AV) already had pages in OF, but that was considered by them a secondary job: what they really wanted was to become high-level performers and if they had to challenge their limits, they would. The only way to achieve this is to work in professional studios.

We need to recognize that girls in the current generation want to follow the law of least effort and do not have the same ambitions as those in the previous generation. I confess that this scenario is discouraging. That's why today's MILFs are taking over more and more hardcore productions - at least they're not lazy and are willing to do a decent job.

[House MD]

There's nothing more retarded than claiming a company went bankrupt or is miserably failing it's business because of it's clients
But hey... I don't either expect the brightest to fly on this website

[hyapet]

I don't think it's fair only to blame so-called emasculated losers for the decline in the quality of pornography today. Stupid people have always existed.

Girls who are starting their careers in OF are very lazy compared to the performers really professionals and are willing to invest in their pornographic career. If you do a quick search you will discover that several professional performers (even those who work(ed) in AV) already had pages in OF, but that was considered by them a secondary job: what they really wanted was to become high-level performers and if they had to challenge their limits, they would. The only way to achieve this is to work in professional studios.

We need to recognize that girls in the current generation want to follow the law of least effort and do not have the same ambitions as those in the previous generation. I confess that this scenario is discouraging. That's why today's MILFs are taking over more and more hardcore productions - at least they're not lazy and are willing to do a decent job.

This is a really excellent point.

Why train and push yourself further when a tenth of the effort will net you ten times more cash.

We've gone from watching beautiful girls doing extensive routines in exotic locales to watching them take an hour and a half to show a nipple while they're slumped back on a pillow on a messy bed in a gross, poorly lit room.

And sadly, House MD, the clients do share some responsibility for this.

If everyone shows up at the painter's house who does a shitty job with shitty paint and then pays them a hundred times the amount of money that they would have given to the professional painter - to whom they don't give anymore business to - then, yes - some responsibility does fall on the client's shoulders.

Not all of it, but indeed some of it.

As silly and foolish as it may seem to point a finger at all of society and say, "You all started to suck now," there is still some weight in that argument. Generations change - people change over time - and sometimes those changes aren't for the better.

The Western societal moor has been to completely emasculate the male and put the female on the pedestal, whether she's earned it or not. She's good for being just who she is! And the man? Ugh! Evil, vile, horrible creature! When fifty percent of your audience now thinks along these lines - everything that they would've done under the old paradigm of existence changes too, not just their societal outlook and behavioral patterns.

What they read, what they do, the art they create, and yes, the porn they indulge in.

It's like - in terms of professionalism/talent/vision/and an overall experience - the Metropolitan Opera has the Tikking and Tokking app beat by every conceivable metric.

Doesn't mean the latest generation is lining up at the Opera though, does it.

[isis666xxx]

There's nothing more retarded than claiming a company went bankrupt or is miserably failing it's business because of it's clients
But hey... I don't either expect the brightest to fly on this website

hahahahahahahahahahahahah

[Jaxkbnm]

There's nothing more retarded than claiming a company went bankrupt or is miserably failing it's business because of it's clients
But hey... I don't either expect the brightest to fly on this website

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[dppfan]

3) When a young and beautiful girl arrives, she goes unnoticed by them and they get to the point (2).

Its not really that rare, the problem is weird stuff that is kept being shoved into them.
Can't forget they are whores and whores will do anything for money with no regards for themselves at the present time, they will think ''hey this piss scene will pay me very well I am a dumb whore I will shoot it anyway'' then drop off porn industry after realizing that shit traumatized and made her feel more disgusted about herself than the usual.
How many porn actresses have ya seen following this path here ? A really cute actress that is enjoying the scenes and then 3 scenes later boom a fucking piss/fart/exaggerated Multiple Penetrations ( that will only hurt her physically and she won`t enjoy ) scene that her dumb whore mind couldn`t refuse and then she never shoots again

[dap-addict]

How many porn actresses have ya seen following this path here ? A really cute actress that is enjoying the scenes and then 3 scenes later boom a fucking piss/fart/exaggerated Multiple Penetrations ( that will only hurt her physically and she won`t enjoy ) scene that her dumb whore mind couldn`t refuse and then she never shoots again

Sounds like porn fans had to manage girls careers because they were not able to decide what they want to act out on set. But fact is these girls have a free will and take the bookings they feel okay with or that give them the money they need or want to earn. And fact is just that wet in EU pays 100$ more and multiple penetrations pay double then single in best cases. So if they want to earn better they take more demanding jobs; but also many dont do that. It's really their choice!

And about what girls enjoy on set, how do you know? Its mainly acting anyway, just that the more demanding penetrations or side fetishes are the less they can pretend they love it if they dont.

Btw, I neither like wet nor p*ke porn, but I accept girls wishes to earn more because I wanna earn more in my job, too!

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I have always been a huge advocate of slowly, and incrementally building up a girls' porn career pathway.

I hate it when the girl who is on her 2nd to 3rd scene ever on LPAV, already performs a monster buttrose, double male anal fisting, TAP+ action porn scene (as an example, I assume most of you will understand the main point I am making).
I was one of the rare people who always said that some stars needed to be put on a form of porn career pathway, and needed to slowly be built up in terms of what they can do sexually, and to push her sexual boundaries bit by bit.

I remember I was one of the few people who said that Emily Pink should withhold herself from showing her monster buttrose until a slightly later point (I would have waited another 6-12 months for her).
Once you start performing an act regularly, people will expect you to perform it almost every time.
As for puke porn, I think it is good for studios to ask Emily to do it, but if she said no...they do not ask again until another 3-6 months later.

If it is an experienced girl, who has been in porn, and who has been an LPAV big name performer for 5+ years, then that this a different story with what we can expect and want her to do.
For example, right now Veronica Leal is really on point with her GIO studio performances. She is extremely experienced, and popular, she is of the right age (30s plus)...so for girls like that, it is about extracting the maximum and enhancing the performances further.

Not every user wants the performer to do the strongest, roughest scenes straight away.