Is LP more about male supremacy than explosive sex?

[VBT_2]

^ Are you 100% sure?

Yep I'm qite sure.

OK. Based on my expiriences - I'm not.

[dap-addict]

Unlike about 95% of porn/LP related threads I think this one is a worthy thread not least because, it asks a question in the title rather than blurt out some negative, one-eyed rubbish. While I personally feel that LP is about explosive sex and not male supremacy I have no doubt that a select few may have egos bigger than their performances. Some clearly are good solid down to earth pros such as Erik and Luca and you just know these guys are low on the ego front.

Interesting approach!

Brooklyn, however, usually doesnt belong to those Ego actors.
Also OP had another "cause" in mind, but phrased it in disguise. Anyway, wanna re-post hopeing for another direction.

[avanfurwet]

If people take the question in the thread title at face value and try to discuss it sensibly without ulterior motives, IMO the thread can be worthwhile.

Generally I avoid scenes which are overtly bdsm themed because that's not my thing. I don't remember often being troubled by on-screen idiot behaviour by professional male performers. Honestly I'm more troubled by idiot postings from over-stimulated anonymous fans in this forum squealing for models to be subjected to whatever domination fantasy that fan happens to want to see that day.

But the thread topic is male performers. I remember some idiot slapping Angie Moon hard in Mexico, which appeared unscripted by her distressed reaction. I thought that was unpleasant. But some fans here might deliberately seek out that scene for exactly that reason. Which I guess was why LP kept it in the trailer.

I remember a scene where Nacho pulled a plastic waste bin bag tight over a girl's head. Again this was highlighted in the trailer by LP to sell the scene. Personally I think that was horribly disturbing and looks like acting out a violent rape fantasy. Personally I find that unacceptable. But I don't set the standards at LP and again it seems likely some fans would seek out that scene deliberately.

With the bin bag scene I don't know whether Nacho's behaviour was scripted and agreed before filming, or whether the girl had the option of "tapping out". I hope LP studios are professional and that the girl was just acting out an agreed script. But who knows?

Overall I think examples like these are unusual at LP, and mostly the male performers behaviour doesn't intrude on my enjoyment of watching the honeys.

[Kriss1986]

^ Are you 100% sure?

Yep I'm qite sure.

OK. Based on my expiriences - I'm not.

Heheh OK . I believe you .

[Kriss1986]

If people take the question in the thread title at face value and try to discuss it sensibly without ulterior motives, IMO the thread can be worthwhile.

Generally I avoid scenes which are overtly bdsm themed because that's not my thing. I don't remember often being troubled by on-screen idiot behaviour by professional male performers. Honestly I'm more troubled by idiot postings from over-stimulated anonymous fans in this forum squealing for models to be subjected to whatever domination fantasy that fan happens to want to see that day.

But the thread topic is male performers. I remember some idiot slapping Angie Moon hard in Mexico, which appeared unscripted by her distressed reaction. I thought that was unpleasant. But some fans here might deliberately seek out that scene for exactly that reason. Which I guess was why LP kept it in the trailer.

I remember a scene where Nacho pulled a plastic waste bin bag tight over a girl's head. Again this was highlighted in the trailer by LP to sell the scene. Personally I think that was horribly disturbing and looks like acting out a violent rape fantasy. Personally I find that unacceptable. But I don't set the standards at LP and again it seems likely some fans would seek out that scene deliberately.

With the bin bag scene I don't know whether Nacho's behaviour was scripted and agreed before filming, or whether the girl had the option of "tapping out". I hope LP studios are professional and that the girl was just acting out an agreed script. But who knows?

Overall I think examples like these are unusual at LP, and mostly the male performers behaviour doesn't intrude on my enjoyment of watching the honeys.

Generally we are not present at the plan and we don't know scenario and agreements between involved sides. From that reason it's very easy to misinterpret the final product, especially that LP is making quite hard porn. From that reason making a big rumor here without full knowledge isn't good thing.

From other side I agree with you that sometimes some morons - I mean male talents are going step too far and that kind of behaviour is dangerous . Good example can be last ZZ case and attack on Nikki Benz during scene recording.

Anyway as long as actresses are feeling comfortably and agreed to "scenario" it's fine for me. But I strongly disagree if something happens against their will.

BTW this plastic bag was horrible idea!

[avanfurwet]

... Anyway as long as actresses are feeling comfortably and agreed to "scenario" it's fine for me. But I strongly disagree if something happens against their will...

Exactly.

And I hope LP will continue to make a variety of scenes. Not all scenes need to be about dominating the actresses.

[Kriss1986]

... Anyway as long as actresses are feeling comfortably and agreed to "scenario" it's fine for me. But I strongly disagree if something happens against their will...

Exactly.

And I hope LP will continue to make a variety of scenes. Not all scenes need to be about dominating the actresses.

I agree, scenes without it are also nice to watch .

[Iddaoeeok]

Funny how talk of male pornstars with ego problems leads to mention of Nacho

[dap-addict]

I hope LP studios are professional and that the girl was just acting out an agreed script. But who knows?

Such things like that plastic bag and a lot more with manhandle scenarios especially are of course scripted and agreed upon!
LP is a pro studio and if a girl doesnt agree she just doenst perform in such a scene.
Additionally there is always the opt out "Stop!" option, but the girl has to be clear on that and say what claearly when something gets too much for her.

This said we still have some Ego actors doing things unscripted of course. Important here is trust and professionality.

Generally we are not present at the plan and we don't know scenario and agreements between involved sides. From that reason it's very easy to misinterpret the final product, especially that LP is making quite hard porn. From that reason making a big rumor here without full knowledge isn't good thing.

This one pretty well sums up what OP did.
Just that I think he had a hidden agenda.

[Kriss1986]

I hope LP studios are professional and that the girl was just acting out an agreed script. But who knows?

Such things like that plastic bag and a lot more with manhandle scenarios especially are of course scripted and agreed upon!
LP is a pro studio and if a girl doesnt agree she just doenst perform in such a scene.
Additionally there is always the opt out "Stop!" option, but the girl has to be clear on that and say what claearly when something gets too much for her.

This said we still have some Ego actors doing things unscripted of course. Important here is trust and professionality.

Generally we are not present at the plan and we don't know scenario and agreements between involved sides. From that reason it's very easy to misinterpret the final product, especially that LP is making quite hard porn. From that reason making a big rumor here without full knowledge isn't good thing.

This one pretty well sums up what OP did.
Just that I think he had a hidden agenda.

What can I say, it is how it is...

[Kriss1986]

Such things like that plastic bag and a lot more with manhandle scenarios especially are of course scripted and agreed upon!
LP is a pro studio and if a girl doesnt agree she just doenst perform in such a scene.
Additionally there is always the opt out "Stop!" option, but the girl has to be clear on that and say what claearly when something gets too much for her.

I saw few videos of kink dot com. In their productions at the begin is always interview with actress with few questions about preferences, what girl is able to do and what definitely not. Each girl always is instructed how should behave on the plan - e.g. there is a magic word "mercy" which means "it is starting to be a little bit uncomfortable" but scene can go forward. Second word is "red". After it recording is immediately stopped and girl receives appropraite help. As you said I assume LP is pro studio and all looks similar or even better .

[avanfurwet]

Such things like that plastic bag and a lot more with manhandle scenarios especially are of course scripted and agreed upon!
LP is a pro studio and if a girl doesnt agree she just doenst perform in such a scene.
Additionally there is always the opt out "Stop!" option, but the girl has to be clear on that and say what claearly when something gets too much for her.

I saw few videos of kink dot com. In their productions at the begin is always interview with actress with few questions about preferences, what girl is able to do and what definitely not. Each girl always is instructed how should behave on the plan - e.g. there is a magic word "mercy" which means "it is starting to be a little bit uncomfortable" but scene can go forward. Second word is "red". After it recording is immediately stopped and girl receives appropraite help. As you said I assume LP is pro studio and all looks similar or even better .

Sounds like clever marketing by Kink. But they seem to have a good reputation in US so I guess it's true.

[dppfanatic]

legalporno for me is about rock hard throbbing cocks getting after it inside a stunning young woman's asshole

i think explosive double anal supremacy is most accurate

[Kriss1986]

Such things like that plastic bag and a lot more with manhandle scenarios especially are of course scripted and agreed upon!
LP is a pro studio and if a girl doesnt agree she just doenst perform in such a scene.
Additionally there is always the opt out "Stop!" option, but the girl has to be clear on that and say what claearly when something gets too much for her.

I saw few videos of kink dot com. In their productions at the begin is always interview with actress with few questions about preferences, what girl is able to do and what definitely not. Each girl always is instructed how should behave on the plan - e.g. there is a magic word "mercy" which means "it is starting to be a little bit uncomfortable" but scene can go forward. Second word is "red". After it recording is immediately stopped and girl receives appropraite help. As you said I assume LP is pro studio and all looks similar or even better .

Sounds like clever marketing by Kink. But they seem to have a good reputation in US so I guess it's true.

Maybe it's marketing, I don't know. I just shared my reflection.

[VBT_2]

Heheh OK . I believe you .

Not THAT expiriences.

[Kriss1986]

Heheh OK . I believe you .

Not THAT expiriences.

lol .

[mr mystica]

This is an interesting thread, but i have not read all of the comments so i don`t know if this is mentioned before. As a reply to the start- comment (the Luna Rival- example), i have this to say:
It is a tendeny of a lack of emphaty in porn. It is sex without emotional content. It is a concentraded sexual fix and the result is that the man often use this expression to boost hes supermacy ego. No sexual empathy is demanded, not even thought upon cuz noone think this is wanted in this concentraded fix. The problem is when the woman is treated in a way where the ego boost is more important than good communication where both parts respect each other. I think us as consumers needs to speak out about this.

[avanfurwet]

This is an interesting thread, but i have not read all of the comments so i don`t know if this is mentioned before. As a reply to the start- comment (the Luna Rival- example), i have this to say:
It is a tendeny of a lack of emphaty in porn. It is sex without emotional content. It is a concentraded sexual fix and the result is that the man often use this expression to boost hes supermacy ego. No sexual empathy is demanded, not even thought upon cuz noone think this is wanted in this concentraded fix. The problem is when the woman is treated in a way where the ego boost is more important than good communication where both parts respect each other. I think us as consumers needs to speak out about this.

True and personally I much prefer scenes with mutual give & take.
But not every porn consumer wants that. Plenty of posters on this board seem to want to see girls submit to domination.

[mr mystica]

This is an interesting thread, but i have not read all of the comments so i don`t know if this is mentioned before. As a reply to the start- comment (the Luna Rival- example), i have this to say:
It is a tendeny of a lack of emphaty in porn. It is sex without emotional content. It is a concentraded sexual fix and the result is that the man often use this expression to boost hes supermacy ego. No sexual empathy is demanded, not even thought upon cuz noone think this is wanted in this concentraded fix. The problem is when the woman is treated in a way where the ego boost is more important than good communication where both parts respect each other. I think us as consumers needs to speak out about this.

True and personally I much prefer scenes with mutual give & take.
But not every porn consumer wants that. Plenty of posters on this board seem to want to see girls submit to domination.

Nothing is necessarily wrong with roughness and domination though. My point is the tendensy of males showing through hes behaving during sex that he generally doesn`t care about the womans wellbehaving, just hes own need to boost hes sexually dominating ego. The female can always say "no" during the scene, i know that, but this is about attitude and how this attitude reveals itself during the sex.

[melovehotties]

LOLZ LP is about male supremacy? The sex at LP is explosive yes, but it's not passionate. Very few men in porn hate women--I can only think of James Deen and Max Hardcore. GG and Rocco certainly are momma's boys, not male chauvinists.

[mysteryshopper]

Just had my first chance to watch Luna Rival's scene with Mike Chapman and Tony Brooklyn (GIO241) in full after having enjoyed watching clips on my PC previously.

As I said on Luna's page this is (mostly) a great scene. However, it has an extraordinary sequence in it that I think sadly sums up where LP (and porn in general) seems to be going.
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Can we please let these girls express themselves and, you know, have more fun? Can the guys just concentrate on fucking and stop being so "porn guy"? Is this too much to ask?

I actually agree with you completely. i believe this is a problem with the porn industry, and on a interpersonal level it probably is not good for men's relationships with women. I mean i wonder how many men here would volunteer for anal themselves? There is certainly a expectation that women just have to take it.

however, i can't say that and pretend i have some moral highground, I honestly i like the male supremacy present in legal porno, it's why i'm here. I believe we can be critical of the media we consume and still enjoy it. I just believe its immature to lie and pretend like it's all fine.

[mysteryshopper]

If it fits the tone of the film, then of course it's okay. Not everybody likes to see clit play in porn. Some do, and that's totally reasonable if that's what they enjoy. I feel clit play is visually distracting and I prefer, especially in such anal-centric content, to focus purely on anal stimulation. And it's not about denying pleasure.

In my personal life, my experience with women who can orgasm from anal sex alone has been that they often (this is anecdotal and does not apply to women in general or women who can orgasm from anal sex in general, just my own experiences and conversations) find that clitoral stimulation can lessen the pleasure of just focusing on pure anal and letting a far more explosive and pleasurable anal orgasm build on its own. So I often like to explore clitoral denial in that sense personally, and I enjoy seeing it in porn as well as a result.

So there's a reason someone might enjoy or appreciate it that has nothing to do with male supremacy but actually increased female pleasure. Again, doesn't apply to everyone, and there's no doubt a place for some scenes with it and some without. Which can be said about just about anything people have a complaint with.

Have you ever had anal? You have a prostate, you can have cock denial orgasms.

[malvarezlaw]

LP is about sales and generating a profit. Extreme anal-centric porn appeals to a certain percentage of men who are willing to pay to see young girls aggressively gangbanged by a bunch of guys with big dicks just for the sheer intensity of it. I'm sure there's a lot of primitive shit wired deep inside the male and female psyches that evolution put there which makes these situations of extreme male sexual dominance over receptive women appealing. Moreover, given the enormous saturation of porn on the internet LP has to push the envelope in order to keep up with the desensitization that inevitably occurs. 40 years ago Penthouse was a big deal because they showed "pink" ...

If you want politically correct, nice, empathy-centered sex then you shouldn't be on this site.

[nybxaw]

This forum is fucking gold with entertainment.

[TheVulture]

This is a very old thread. I don't recall it all (and certainly am not about to read it again) but I will admit that I might have overreacted a little in some circumstances, although I stand by the Tony B/Luna R bit someone has just replied to and the general thrust of my commentary. What I will say is that the aggression and macho dominance of that time did result in me leaving LP for quite a lengthy period and when I came back I only dipped my toe back in with caution (although I'm glad I did).

I think LP generally is better these days at recognising the line between acceptable male aggression/dominance and plain macho bullshit/bullying of the girls than it was back then. I buy tons of scenes and there are only a few that are spoiled by such actions.

However, the recent Gonzo Lola Taylor scene is a case in point. Ed J and Chris D both go at her quite a lot with throat grabbing and in particular pushing her head forward and on every occasion you see Lola visibly shrink. When the hands come off her head she puts her hands on them as if to say "No thank you" and then when they come off she throws her head back further to try to avoid them next time around. When Ed's hands seek her out - not once but twice - to do the "push head forward from anchor reverse cowgirl stud position thing" she doesn't offer her head, even though you would think she knows exactly that this is what is being asked of her. Only on the 3rd or so attempt does Ed find it, essentially by force (he wasn't going to be denied, was he?)

Lola strikes me as more of a porn princess type who just wants to fuck hard and lose herself in the sex than someone who likes it a little rough but the guys seem to want to take her out of that place into their own place. This strikes me as both very selfish and very unprofessional. It's like they're saying "This girl is really enjoying this - let's set about changing that". It seems to me that there was no preparation for the scene and it was like a kind of training run between complete strangers on very different pages. If that's true then the director deserves a lot of criticism.

What's especially weird about this is that the same 2 guys in a scene only a few days earlier were magnificent in pounding Polly Petrova hard but without any of that nonsense, delivering a brilliant scene.

I will certainly be viewing Gonzo with a lot of caution moving foward as a result. I already tend to avoid any scenes with Charlie Mac in them because I think he falls into the category of a porn bully. Gonzo in general I think is the LP stable where you are more likely to get an "aggression over chemistry" kind of vibe. IV by contrast is much the best at avoiding male dominance/aggression and as a result delivers the hottest scenes in my view.

I'm probably not going to get heavily involved in this topic again because I realise that it does look a bit like sermonising and last time it got a bit out of hand and led to some insults etc. If people want to call me a "snowflake" or whatever then fire away. I won't rise to it or even engage with it this time. You pays your money and takes your choice ultimately. For me, I only want to see porn where the girls are getting off, which generally (I would think) means them setting the boundaries of what goes on in terms of physicality and "what goes on outside of the sex" and not the guys. I'm not going to apologise for that and will continue to provide input like this recent Lola critique as and when I can be bothered (I was thinking of doing so about this one and this thread represents a good opportunity and as fitting a place for it so there you go).

[dap-addict]

However, the recent Gonzo Lola Taylor scene is a case in point. Ed J and Chris D both go at her quite a lot with throat grabbing and in particular pushing her head forward and on every occasion you see Lola visibly shrink. When the hands come off her head she puts her hands on them as if to say "No thank you" and then when they come off she throws her head back further to try to avoid them next time around. When Ed's hands seek her out - not once but twice - to do the "push head forward from anchor reverse cowgirl stud position thing" she doesn't offer her head, even though you would think she knows exactly that this is what is being asked of her. (...) What's especially weird about this is that the same 2 guys in a scene only a few days earlier were magnificent in pounding Polly Petrova hard but without any of that nonsense, delivering a brilliant scene.

Interesting, thanks for pointing out.
I'll check that out.
I lately wondered how much Luis directs at all or if he's not turned into cameraman only now at least in some scenes.