DDF vanilla porn stealing LP models?

[dap-addict]

If we compare the 2016 bookings of DDF in Budapest and LP in Prague you realize that both studios, owned by the same company meanwhile, share a lot of models. Now DDF is light glamour porn, really nice vanilla stuff if you are into that kind of erotica and I am glad they are here and belong to the same company, LP on the other hand produces the hardcore porn I enjoy best as a user - thus my main concern is LP.

Working for DDF is sure less demanding for the girls, which is fine, too, as it creates a mix of options. But I get the impression some historic LP girls like Karina Grand for instance got sucked into DDF in 2016 while LP had to live without her excellent hardcore anal performances.

I hope in 2017 there is a fair solution for both porn user communities for this!
Maybe some interlinked DDF-LP booking for instance, excluding only DDF works for the truely capable girls. Just an idea.

[avanfurwet]

I prefer LP scenes too. Although I also think DDF have some nice photography and some nice locations (apartments, pools, etc).
Overall I imagine working for LP is a harder job with better pay, and if a girl is in demand (e.g. Karina Grand) then she can choose her own preferred assignment.

[dap-addict]

LP is more demanding sex acts for sure, but than DDF shots do take a lot of time to be in the box on the other hand.
Girls can choose of course, but if the owner of both studios is the same combined bookings would prevent a draught of certain models here or there.

[Kriss1986]

LP is more demanding sex acts for sure, but than DDF shots do take a lot of time to be in the box on the other hand.
Girls can choose of course, but if the owner of both studios is the same combined bookings would prevent a draught of certain models here or there.

I get your point. It's such a waist for LP that e.g. Karina Grand left LP. I'm not a fan of DDF shoots, I prefer better action like LP-style. Of course girls can choose and I bet some of them will go for less demanding acts. The point is to avoid situation when LP will lost some girls for DDF.

[avanfurwet]

^ But if a girl wants to work for DDF, nobody can pressure her to work for LP. All LP can do is offer work to the models they want.

[Kriss1986]

It seems a little bit like conflict of interest. All of us would like to see fav models here right? But also as you said each model can decide where she wants to working and it's obvious.

[avanfurwet]

^ But appearing at DDF doesn't prevent a girl from working for LP. The models are independent contractors and each assignment they take is for one scene at a time, taking maybe half a day to shoot. The girls have as many half day slots available as they want to work, and LP, DDF, and others can offer them work if they want. Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand who is "stealing" from who?

[Kriss1986]

Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand who is "stealing" from who?

It should be a question to Dap-a. Don't know maybe booking for DDF and LP is somehow connected or something?

[mr mystica]

My outlook on companies "stealing" from each other: There`s a lot of drama i observe, between Woodman. DDF. LP and whoever and i think one thing should be consithered as a possibility. The possibility that models/actresses may have free will?

[Giorgio Grandi]

A model with free will is a kid with a bazooka (for her own career)

LP doesnt keep any model "as exclusive to LP" (at least for my knowledge), so no one is stealing to LP.

[Kriss1986]

A model with free will is a kid with a bazooka (for her own career)

LP doesnt keep any model "as exclusive to LP" (at least for my knowledge), so no one is stealing to LP.

Thank you Mr Giorgio for comment in this case.

BTW your statement - I mean this about bazooka, from one side is so funny illustration, from other side a little bit tragic...

[avanfurwet]

[Kriss1986]

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lol . Better don't mess with this girl .

[Iddaoeeok]

I kinda like seeing girls work with other companies, often their whole look changes, due to different make-up and photography. I saw something Roxy Dee shot for another company recently and she looked much better than she ever did at LP.

[Angel Eyes]

I kinda like seeing girls work with other companies, often their whole look changes, due to different make-up and photography. I saw something Roxy Dee shot for another company recently and she looked much better than she ever did at LP.

DDF shoots are very slick and polished. The models makeup and dress also present them never looking more beautiful and desirable. That said, I really only look for their DP shoots. Unless I have a full on porn crush on a model, I ignore the more vanilla scenes. I also find their scenes to be too short. I like longer scenes...IMHO no scene should be shorter than 45 minutes.

I see a lot of crossover in porn shoots with the LP studio sets and talent appearing in other companies releases (i.e. TeenErotica, Nubiles, Wicked Pictures). This is an industry. If LP can make use of their sets shooting and providing scenes under contract and tailored to the other companies niche (i.e. use condoms for Wicked Pictures), then that is good for both companies bottom line. In other words, it helps LP which facilitates LP to continue producing the hard material we all desire.

[dap-addict]

Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand who is "stealing" from who?

It should be a question to Dap-a. Don't know maybe booking for DDF and LP is somehow connected or something?

Both companies have the same owner, thus best option seems DDF & LP bound contracts, i.e. any girl wanting to work for DDF should also work for LP and bice versa, IF the girl is capable of offering something for both companies. If bookings had been done that way in 2016, we'd had much more Karina Grand scenes on LP. And users of both studios would be happy, not only DDF vanilla porn users.

I suggest bound DDF-LP bookings in 2017 only since both studios have the same owner and share a lot of models already.


Btw, free will of course they have, but a) as Giorgio says and b) if they dont wanna work for both studios they can always work somewhere else.

[avanfurwet]

Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand who is "stealing" from who?

It should be a question to Dap-a. Don't know maybe booking for DDF and LP is somehow connected or something?

Both companies have the same owner, thus best option seems DDF & LP bound contracts, i.e. any girl wanting to work for DDF should also work for LP and bice versa, IF the girl is capable of offering something for both companies. If bookings had been done that way in 2016, we'd had much more Karina Grand scenes on LP. And users of both studios would be happy, not only DDF vanilla porn users.

I suggest bound DDF-LP bookings in 2017 only since both studios have the same owner and share a lot of models already.


Btw, free will of course they have, but a) as Giorgio says and b) if they dont wanna work for both studios they can always work somewhere else.

So, if I understood correctly. This proposal is that any girl who wants to work for DDF would also be somehow "required" to work for LP and vice versa.
My personal opinion is that a company which tried this tactic would become the "kid with a bazooka".

"if they dont wanna work for both studios they can always work somewhere else" - well, I think that is true and LP and DDF would both lose out.

On the other hand, if the companies use a carrot instead of a stick, maybe LP and DDF can cooperate better and offer the girls more work across all studios.

Presumably TWM and United Models and Marko, etc. will work these contacts already. But I guess LP and DDF could maybe be more pro-active in coordinating activities to make it more attractive for girls to work for their studios.

[drevokocur66]

I love the different schools of thought, but somehow in the wishful thinking of our minds we forget that like most things, this is about money.
The girls will go, as long as they feel safe and not threatened, to the place that pays the most for as little work as possible.
There may turn up an exception or two along the way, but bottom line... money
The studios... money
The distributors... money
The girls... money
You can sit there and wish it was something else, but it is not.
It's just business.

[drevokocur66]

Speaking of vanilla, LP is more vanilla every day.

[Kriss1986]

So, if I understood correctly. This proposal is that any girl who wants to work for DDF would also be somehow "required" to work for LP and vice versa.
My personal opinion is that a company which tried this tactic would become the "kid with a bazooka".

"if they dont wanna work for both studios they can always work somewhere else" - well, I think that is true and LP and DDF would both lose out.

On the other hand, if the companies use a carrot instead of a stick, maybe LP and DDF can cooperate better and offer the girls more work across all studios.

Presumably TWM and United Models and Marko, etc. will work these contacts already. But I guess LP and DDF could maybe be more pro-active in coordinating activities to make it more attractive for girls to work for their studios.

I think Dap-a meant only girls capable to offering acts in DDF and also LP style, but in my opinion it still should be decision of a model and not trade bound. You jus't can force anyone to do something against his will. Better option would be some kind of proposal e.g. if particular girl was booked for DDF could be asked if also would work for LP.

[dap-addict]

On the other hand, if the companies use a carrot instead of a stick, maybe LP and DDF can cooperate better and offer the girls more work across all studios.

Ok, thats better than makeing bookings for both studios compulsary. But belonging to the same porn imperium now both studios should collaborate much better in 2017 with bookings and schedules. Some girls like Karina Grand just took an easy road and started forcusing on DDF only. Of course is their free will and free choice, but with an appropriate payment policy both studios could prevent a draught at one of them - and regarding the different users that move would be just fair!

[dap-addict]

I love the different schools of thought, but somehow in the wishful thinking of our minds we forget that like most things, this is about money.
The girls will go, as long as they feel safe and not threatened, to the place that pays the most for as little work as possible.
There may turn up an exception or two along the way, but bottom line... money
The studios... money
The distributors... money
The girls... money
You can sit there and wish it was something else, but it is not.
It's just business.

Exactly, its about the money!
And rates in Bp are still too high!
Its inherited from mid 2000, but since LP could change Prague it may also start to change Budapest in 2017.
Its just a right price policy needed - and a bit less autonomy for Golden Age loveing Denys!

DDF and LP can make a strong combo in Europorn, but coop cant end with just sharing the talent pool!


Btw, look at this and draw your conclusions:
http://ddfnetwork.com/pornstars/view/54 ... a+denville - http://www.legalporno.com/model/3351/lucia_denville
http://ddfnetwork.com/pornstars/view/4497/karina+grand

[Kriss1986]

On the other hand, if the companies use a carrot instead of a stick, maybe LP and DDF can cooperate better and offer the girls more work across all studios.

Ok, thats better than makeing bookings for both studios compulsary. But belonging to the same porn imperium now both studios should collaborate much better in 2017 with bookings and schedules. Some girls like Karina Grand just took an easy road and started forcusing on DDF only. Of course is their free will and free choice, but with an appropriate payment policy both studios could prevent a draught at one of them - and regarding the different users that move would be just fair!

I agree collaboration between DDf and LP should be better. But from other side sometimes even collaboration between different studios of LP is limited - we can again and again see the questions "why the studios are not sharing the models". So if LP has issues to manage it internal how it would be working external? The idea of appropriate payment policy could be a good solution anyway.

[Kriss1986]

I love the different schools of thought, but somehow in the wishful thinking of our minds we forget that like most things, this is about money.
The girls will go, as long as they feel safe and not threatened, to the place that pays the most for as little work as possible.
There may turn up an exception or two along the way, but bottom line... money
The studios... money
The distributors... money
The girls... money
You can sit there and wish it was something else, but it is not.
It's just business.

Exactly, its about the money!
And rates in Bp are still too high!
Its inherited from mid 2000, but since LP could change Prague it may also start to change Budapest in 2017.
Its just a right price policy needed - and a bit less autonomy for Golden Age loveing Denys!

DDF and LP can make a strong combo in Europorn, but coop cant end with just sharing the talent pool!


Btw, look at this and draw your conclusions:
http://ddfnetwork.com/pornstars/view/54 ... a+denville - http://www.legalporno.com/model/3351/lucia_denville
http://ddfnetwork.com/pornstars/view/4497/karina+grand

Of course it's all about the money . I looked above links you gave us and all it's clear now. I know what you mean and I get the point .

[VBT_2]

So, if I understood correctly. This proposal is that any girl who wants to work for DDF would also be somehow "required" to work for LP and vice versa.
My personal opinion is that a company which tried this tactic would become the "kid with a bazooka".

+1

In this already delicate area such idea is pure extortion.

[dap-addict]

Arnt you shooting back a bit to fast and sharp, VBT?
What extortion are we talking about when in 2016 it turned out that whoever managed to get booked for LP could also go to DDF in Budapest because the owner of both studios is one and the same? But vice versa LP cant ask for a favour, no? Combined multi-studio bookings are a chance for the girls, not extorsion!
of course it would favour those girls working for both studios and thus also both kinds of porn users, it would also provide lighter porn work for a break for those travelling to EU from far Russia while they can still work for the same imperium.

All I am thinking about is dwelling more on the LP - DDF common owner situation in the booking dept.
Maybe OP is too fuelled by my Karina Grand LP turkey, thats all I concede. But extortion?! - Common!, seriousely!

[VBT_2]

I said what I think in pretty clear maner.

Not "shooting" on you, but I don't like that idea. Asking is one thing, but demand is completely other.

[VBT_2]

I said what I think in pretty clear maner.

Not "shooting" on you, but I don't like that idea. Asking is one thing, but ultimatum-demand as request is completely other.

[dap-addict]

LP doesnt keep any model "as exclusive to LP" (at least for my knowledge), so no one is stealing to LP.

I didnt mean it literally.

Btw, and as already stated, a flexible approach is needed, but more booking coop for sure - as well as fairer Bp rates.

[Boobsrealm.com644]

LP bought DDf, so they are the same company. That is why the girls are featured on both sides. They are for different audiences

[Kriss1986]

Btw, and as already stated, a flexible approach is needed, but more booking coop for sure - as well as fairer Bp rates.

That was the main reason of this topic to pay attention for better cooperation between LP and DDF, that's all. Any improvments are welcome.

[dap-addict]

Next testing point might be Angel Rivas.


Its still all about money, but DDF has to function in the Budapest context of course. Prague is less spoiled, more real in terms of buying value of the money payed.

[magizi877]

LP bought DDF?

I hope Gonzo borrows Misha Cross then.
And occasionally do some gangbangs house of taboo style.

[lorpan188]

Yes, its really weird for example see Linda Sweet in some pussy toy play when you a few hours ago saw her take 5 BBC.
I don't mind though, DDF is not really good but could be better.
The trend now seems to be Glamcore like Tushy that has Anal,DP, Rimming, ATM. All in real high produced scenes, the scenes have good angles extremely good closeups mixed with distance, the actors and the location.
But compared to Legalporno its like a kids show.
I think 21Sextury have something similar but they just take a Anal video, put a filter on it and slow it down 25%.
Have also seen more and more legalporno girls on other sites.

[rollin_dubs187]

It drives me insane how you claim anything that is not DAP as vanilla porn. When in reality DAP slows everything down, and is far less intense. Just because its not DAP doesnt make it vanilla.

[Iddaoeeok]

Newsflash, it is possible to like LP AND vanilla porn. A bit of glamour is not a crime.

[dap-addict]

Some elements of DDF glamour can be fine of course.
But DDF vanilla means a pussy-friendly approach in porn, ie. much fewer DP scenes, seldom STA, almost no DAP scenes etc.
Thats easier to perform for the girls of course, less demanding, which donst mean less time spent in the studio to shoot a scene though.

With Karina Grand - reconsidering her end career studio choice - it looks like she opted for this lighter porn option spending more time in Budapest also for personal reasons. Now Angel Rivas doesnt look very keen on hard DP or even DAP in her first few come-back weeks, that's fine and just her choice. Still, I do hope DDF and LP will coop better in 2017 as wel as I count on Prague to level some of those crazy Budapest fees a bit.

[Kriss1986]

Some elements of DDF glamour can be fine of course.
But DDF vanilla means a pussy-friendly approach in porn, ie. much fewer DP scenes, seldom STA, almost no DAP scenes etc.
Thats easier to perform for the girls of course, less demanding, which donst mean less time spent in the studio to shoot a scene though.

With Karina Grand - reconsidering her end career studio choice - it looks like she opted for this lighter porn option spending more time in Budapest also for personal reasons. Now Angel Rivas doesnt look very keen on hard DP or even DAP in her first few come-back weeks, that's fine and just her choice. Still, I do hope DDF and LP will coop better in 2017 as wel as I count on Prague to level some of those crazy Budapest fees a bit.

LP should stay focused on hard action, other way with vanilla stuff theh will become inexpressive site like many others...

[rollin_dubs187]

Some elements of DDF glamour can be fine of course.
But DDF vanilla means a pussy-friendly approach in porn, ie. much fewer DP scenes, seldom STA, almost no DAP scenes etc.
Thats easier to perform for the girls of course, less demanding, which donst mean less time spent in the studio to shoot a scene though.

With Karina Grand - reconsidering her end career studio choice - it looks like she opted for this lighter porn option spending more time in Budapest also for personal reasons. Now Angel Rivas doesnt look very keen on hard DP or even DAP in her first few come-back weeks, that's fine and just her choice. Still, I do hope DDF and LP will coop better in 2017 as wel as I count on Prague to level some of those crazy Budapest fees a bit.

Um no vanilla porn means conventional/ordinary. DP is hardly conventional.

https://www(dot)kinkly(dot)com/definition/42/vanilla-sex

[rollin_dubs187]

Some elements of DDF glamour can be fine of course.
But DDF vanilla means a pussy-friendly approach in porn, ie. much fewer DP scenes, seldom STA, almost no DAP scenes etc.
Thats easier to perform for the girls of course, less demanding, which donst mean less time spent in the studio to shoot a scene though.

With Karina Grand - reconsidering her end career studio choice - it looks like she opted for this lighter porn option spending more time in Budapest also for personal reasons. Now Angel Rivas doesnt look very keen on hard DP or even DAP in her first few come-back weeks, that's fine and just her choice. Still, I do hope DDF and LP will coop better in 2017 as wel as I count on Prague to level some of those crazy Budapest fees a bit.

Um no vanilla porn means conventional/ordinary. DP is hardly conventional.

https://www(dot)kinkly(dot)com/definition/42/vanilla-sex