A "Clockwork Gang"

[dap-addict]

Thanks, avanfurwet!
I am a big Belle Claire fan and a big Giorgio fan and of course I wanna support that project. I also collect all DAPs I can get hold of, thus an easy choice basically.
Still, Ria seems to get dapped quite shortly. Also her dress looks really phenomenal for an intro, not ripped for sex, though. Belle's style I dont like a lot here either. If you can tell me a bit more about Ria Sunns DAP workout compared to her other scenes, than I might hit the buy buttom faster!

[laura.]

She is a gift to us.

^ Yes, she is.

Hope you feel better soon Laura

Thanks x

[vincenoir75]

Thanks, avanfurwet!
I am a big Belle Claire fan and a big Giorgio fan and of course I wanna support that project. I also collect all DAPs I can get hold of, thus an easy choice basically.
Still, Ria seems to get dapped quite shortly. Also her dress looks really phenomenal for an intro, not ripped for sex, though. Belle's style I dont like a lot here either. If you can tell me a bit more about Ria Sunns DAP workout compared to her other scenes, than I might hit the buy buttom faster!

They begin ripping Ria's red trouser suit 7 minutes in, start fucking her while wearing the ripped clothes 14:15, DAP in ripped clothes start at 26:18 in and then fully take all of her clothes off at 29:30, DAP starts again (airtight) at 31:10, Belle does some ATOGM, then its DP on Ria for a bit and then its a mixture of anal & DAP.
My favorite section was when Ria was getting DAPed in doggy while eating Belle's pussy out; that looked outstanding.
Oh, and get well soon Laura!

[dap-addict]

Thanks a lot!
Looks like 3-5 min actually dapping for Ria, not counting the DAP position changes etc. Screenshots implied about 5min DAP only. Is that about true?
Does she perform that short DAP fine?

[Giorgio Grandi]

The clockwork as the other "movies" I'm going to shoot are not focused on niches but I want to keep a wider range of games.

[laura.]

Thanks a lot!
Looks like 3-5 min actually dapping for Ria, not counting the DAP position changes etc. Screenshots implied about 5min DAP only. Is that about true?
Does she perform that short DAP fine?

Just buy it dap its worth it and Vince's description is about right (and Vince thx:)) but Ria in a red pantsuit is too nice to miss out on, she looks amazing in it. See that was influenced by the film also. X

[avanfurwet]

Thanks a lot!
Looks like 3-5 min actually dapping for Ria, not counting the DAP position changes etc. Screenshots implied about 5min DAP only. Is that about true?
Does she perform that short DAP fine?

Looks fine to me, but I'm not a dap addict so maybe my standards aren't high enough. I'm much more interested in watching Ria's pretty butt

[avanfurwet]

The clockwork as the other "movies" I'm going to shoot are not focused on niches but I want to keep a wider range of games.

Good, more different stuff to look forward to. Thanks.

[avanfurwet]

... Belle's style I dont like a lot here either...

I think Belle's style is fine for her character. Her costume is not sexy for me, but others have commented that they liked the knee socks etc.

The trouble is, IMO, Belle sets the standard so damn high for her sex scenes that anything less than Belle being the absolute centre of attention and queen of the scene now appears to be a disappointment for us.

This was really Ria's scene. Personally I think in this scene that Belle was best and sexiest when she was in girl-girl mode, dominating Ria and directing the Clockwork Gang what to do with her. For example, when Belle sings "don't forget about the pussy!" And at the end when she holds Ria's head to receive the cumshots. I think her interaction with Ria worked really well.

Just my opinion of course. Others will differ. And I hope Giorgio and Belle make many more and different scenes for us to disagree about.

[magizi877]

And I thought the "thing" Ria was wearing was terrible. TERRIBLE.
It was just cut right (or rather wrong) to hide all her female features.
I see sexier outfits in PG13 rated movies and videogames. You know, kids have access to those.
Even music videos are more sexualized than that dress.
This is explicit hardcore porn I don't understand the disconnection.

I also don't like goofy things in porn.
That clown nose was so frustrating to see.
And the way the dudes walk in to enter the scene and the way they behave prior to the sex is just not masculine enough for a porn, it looks stupid.

It's like you are purposely planting stuff in these movies to make them less good.

And why not give us a gangbang movie with only one woman in the scene.

[avanfurwet]

^ Everyone's different.

I liked Ria's outfit. Personally didn't like the half-on ripped version, but it was part of the scene. Liked her better when it came off completely

And I liked the red nose, and the way Ria turned round and laughed when she realised where Neeo was putting it

[vincenoir75]

I think the red trouser suit looks good on Ria, also in the original film the woman was wearing a red trouser suit but Ria's is sexier.





There is a run through the original scene here:http://idyllopuspress.com/idyllopus/film/co_one.htm

[laura.]

'Viddy well little brudder, viddy well'

Truly frightening yet realistic scene. Malcolm McDowell was immense in that.

And yes, Ria looks better in it. Nothing wrong with a pantsuit IMHO

[kidloco2]

And I thought the "thing" Ria was wearing was terrible. TERRIBLE.
It was just cut right (or rather wrong) to hide all her female features.
I see sexier outfits in PG13 rated movies and videogames. You know, kids have access to those.
Even music videos are more sexualized than that dress.
This is explicit hardcore porn I don't understand the disconnection.

I also don't like goofy things in porn.
That clown nose was so frustrating to see.
And the way the dudes walk in to enter the scene and the way they behave prior to the sex is just not masculine enough for a porn, it looks stupid.

It's like you are purposely planting stuff in these movies to make them less good.

And why not give us a gangbang movie with only one woman in the scene.

I'm laughing because it looks like they are shooting it for themselves, self-purposely, if so, it's the first sign of decline and it will shoot back. Speaks by own experience. Also Giorgio involved in lots of different projects, I think it's moving sideways, the production, directing and content looks clueless, unconfident, without punch and clear line of imaginative vision or plot, I don't know, don't be jack of all trades and the most important, it looks damn cheap, which given technical equipment possibility and prod. cost, it's ridiculous

[Giorgio Grandi]

I think all your comment have sense because the taste change from person to person., but in general the point is another.
Place before: Personally I think that my future on LP is going to be "more mainstream" and "less niche", of course with very hardcore content. I think is very important in my position to create a content usable from the wider range of user is possible. I will start to add more DP in most of my scenes and the amount of scenes with plot is going to increase in 2017.

To shoot porn with plot is very complicate, to expect too much from the performers means to shoot a content that in the better case is grotesque. For now I'm satisfy with a bit a sarcasm and few words, but Im working to make it better.

Porn directors are not really directors, but more "handyman artisans with a talent for improvisation" which believe me, with the times we live, it starts to be appreciate also from no-porn production. Recently a friend who directs porn got the opportunity to direct a short movie for a pretty important television, the results is that he got a 2 year job proposition because <<with lower budget and lower time and specially with what in italy we call "the art of getting" he was able to shoot what was needed faster and spending less money>>.

I think the audience of LP already decided and solved most of the polemics, take the best seller list:
All the movies releases on 2/3 parts got in the TOP100.
- The Belle Factor is second only to the xmas orgy os 2016 (scene that just does not count).
- Laras Perversions is the most sold scene of all the 3 models in the movie
- Clock Gang Pilot, even is in 3 parts and with a lot of polemics is already in the top 30
- Clockwork Ria Sun is on the top100 already (Personally, the red dress she wearing turn me fucking on)

N.B. / all the pee scenes do not appear anymore in the TOP100, that make sense with the idea to propose a "mainstream" facade

- We have a guy who wrote in the forum that he finally joined LP because finally there is something more then only hard core.

I think the Plot Market lack of good hardcore sex, the Gonzo Market lack of preamble and emotions, I just try to put the things together. I will need few more months for put together the pool of performers I need and then, each new girl after the first scene will have 1 or 2 gonzo scene, for the rest the plot will be the hub.

I know many of you do not like it, but I do not think I have to do all what you want, I prefer to shoot what I like and take my risks instead then try to satisfy everyone (impossible anyway)

[pastaga]

Place before: Personally I think that my future on LP is going to be "more mainstream" and "less niche", of course with very hardcore content. I think is very important in my position to create a content usable from the wider range of user is possible. I will start to add more DP in most of my scenes and the amount of scenes with plot is going to increase in 2017.

- We have a guy who wrote in the forum that he finally joined LP because finally there is something more then only hard core.

NOOOOO...
But niches are also something more than only hardcore, right ?

[pastaga]

I would be disappointed if LP becomes a mainstream porn site with just a bigger amount of DAPs. I understand your desires, you have shot a lot of hardcore and want a change. But personnally I don't watch porn movies for a plot, I watch them for the model performance and perverse mind. Hope I'll find some sites to fullfill mydesires if LP don't.

[drevokocur66]

I would be disappointed if LP becomes a mainstream porn site with just a bigger amount of DAPs. I understand your desires, you have shot a lot of hardcore and want a change. But personnally I don't watch porn movies for a plot, I watch them for the model performance and perverse mind. Hope I'll find some sites to fullfill mydesires if LP don't.

"more mainstream" and "less niche", of course with very hardcore content. = contradiction in terms.

Saving my money until another anal/piss/fisting site comes up. Good luck with your movies GIO,

[magizi877]

hahaha I found GG comment to be hilarious.

He is heading towards a more 'mainstream' direction, yet IMO his movies are getting more extreme every month.

[avanfurwet]

Thanks Giorgio for taking time to post here and explain what you are doing and why.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. But it's good that you are different from the other LP studios.

Personally I own and I enjoy all your multi-part movies so far, and I'm looking forward to more in future

[Giorgio Grandi]

hahaha I found GG comment to be hilarious.
He is heading towards a more 'mainstream' direction, yet IMO his movies are getting more extreme every month.

You IMO is based on what I release and not on what Im actually shooting, this is why I explained my point in my last post.

[laura.]

Thanks for the insight into your 2017 plans. It's nice that you can share this. I am liking the direction you are taking but only fear that by moving 'mainstream' you may be conforming for the sake of, misguidedly, attracting new customers. Nothing wrong with wanting to increase your commercial appeal but it's important to remember your die hard fans who are e here for the quality and hardness of your porn, it's what sets you apart from the competition and makes you unique. In all fairness to you, you have clarified the porn will stay hard, so I am hoping this will be the case.

If we want Mills and Boon reenacted on screen there are hundreds of other sites to visit. ! X

[laura.]

Just for clarify the Mills and Boon comment was in reference to weak and limp soft porn, not scripted porn which is hard core a la GG style

[Sir Noel]

Changes sound good to me GG as long as you keep a balance of plot based and non plot based.
Personally I don't like DP so much. Your filming of DAP is excellent but for my tastes you often include too much of it in a scene.
Would like to see more girl-girl fisting wherever possible in your scenes. The Laras perversions scenes were amazing in this aspect.

If I can make one criticism of your work Giorgio is that you tend to get an obsessive focus on one thing. That happened with piss where you ended up almoat washing the performers off the set! I feel like now it has happened with DAP where almost every single scene has to include DAP and DAP has to take uo a large portion of the sex. I do like DAP but the balls deep regular anal is often the hottest part for me.

One thing i must mention is I love your intros. Intros such as the recent Gabriella where the girl undresses a little after we admire her body and then the guys come in soon after. Far far better than the long boring Gonzo studio intros imo

[vincenoir75]

Just for clarify the Mills and Boon comment was in reference to weak and limp soft porn, not scripted porn which is hard core a la GG style

Laura, the only use of Mills and Boon books is to build motorways: 2,500,000 were used to build the M6 Toll motorway http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/3330245.stm

[laura.]

^
See my £5:50 is going to good use every time I use that road to carve my way through the West Mids

Thankfully I speny my formative years learning all about romance reading through 'borrowed' copies of Private and Swedish Erotica, far more educational than wimpy M&B x

[kidloco2]

Place before: Personally I think that my future on LP is going to be "more mainstream" and "less niche", of course with very hardcore content. I think is very important in my position to create a content usable from the wider range of user is possible.

Apparently whole LP is going more "mainstream", I still believe in the power of niches (you have more stable customer platform yet smaller), but when you're saying "more mainstream" and "hardcore content" in the same sentence, what do you exactly mean? Isn't it still hardcore anal porn which is a pretty good niche?

Or did you mean softer?

To shoot porn with plot is very complicate, to expect too much from the performers means to shoot a content that in the better case is grotesque. For now I'm satisfy with a bit a sarcasm and few words, but Im working to make it better.

Not necessary. Even some porn studs are great actors. This is where the director's (who is also a producer) qualities show up.

Porn directors are not really directors, but more "handyman artisans with a talent for improvisation" which believe me, with the times we live, it starts to be appreciate also from no-porn production.

Nothing new, more like ppl from mainstream come to porn.

Recently a friend who directs porn got the opportunity to direct a short movie for a pretty important television, the results is that he got a 2 year job proposition because <<with lower budget and lower time and specially with what in italy we call "the art of getting" he was able to shoot what was needed faster and spending less money>>.

That's exactly the reason why I know for a fact that Clockwork Gang could have been shot faaaaar better. Or the same wayyyy cheaper. I'm not mad, just saying and not buying it.

All the movies releases on 2/3 parts got in the TOP100.

They would have got there anyway

- The Belle Factor is second only to the xmas orgy os 2016 (scene that just does not count).
- Laras Perversions is the most sold scene of all the 3 models in the movie

- Clock Gang Pilot, even is in 3 parts and with a lot of polemics is already in the top 30

curiosity, misleading trailer, won't happen the same way 2nd time

- Clockwork Ria Sun is on the top100 already (Personally, the red dress she wearing turn me fucking on)

Ria is very popular and actually the red dress was a genius idea

- We have a guy who wrote in the forum that he finally joined LP because finally there is something more then only hard core.

And dozens of them who left or stopped buying during last months.

I think the Plot Market lack of good hardcore sex, the Gonzo Market lack of preamble and emotions, I just try to put the things together.

Actually I think you are very right and it's not a bad idea. I'd do the same. I'm not critising the idea, but the form or content. I'm perfectionist in some aspects.

[kidloco2]

Changes sound good to me GG as long as you keep a balance of plot based and non plot based.

But the price will go up even for non plot based ones, do you realize that?
No place anywhere to be Jack of all trades and GG explained it above.

IMHO LP wants to be the biggest high profile porn (means also softer with a broader range of the offerings) network, seems like a reasonable step to survive and even acquire some sites.

[Vawkes]

More standard DP is what I want most! The pussy is always neglected too often.

I'd rather see a single cock in each hole going balls deep, rather than the tips of 2/3 cocks in a girl's ass.

Would be nice to see some DPP attempts too.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Place before: Personally I think that my future on LP is going to be "more mainstream" and "less niche", of course with very hardcore content. I think is very important in my position to create a content usable from the wider range of user is possible.

Apparently whole LP is going more "mainstream", I still believe in the power of niches (you have more stable customer platform yet smaller), but when you're saying "more mainstream" and "hardcore content" in the same sentence, what do you exactly mean? Isn't it still hardcore anal porn which is a pretty good niche?

I really think the users at LP changed a lot. The pee fans has been replaced by another customer, for acquire other customer I believe we need plots with good hardcore.
What do you mean with "mainstream", do you mean vanilla porn? Or do you mean that mainstream porn should be only b/g and vaginal sex?
We hare in 2016, for me mainstream porn is what for example JJ shoots. I think you really misunderstand the meaning of "mainstream" in porn, at least nowadays.

What I think:
JJ -- is pure mainstream porn (variety of combination, variety of outfits, different kind of action. perfect for everyone (if you like the girls he shots, I actually do not))
Blacked/Tushy/hardx -- is a bit more vanilla, but its almost there
ZZ -- Vanilla, but the plots and the big dicks makes it mainstream
Babes/Sexhard/xhart/DDF -- vanilla
BB/MOFOS/RK -- amateur stuff in general, goes in amateur niches for the most. I would consider it almost mainstream
21sex -- even if you exclude the "niche website" it is not mainstream
EA/RS -- mainstream for the most of the stuff


Lets understand that "3/4on1 DP" was the standars of many Red Light / Platimum movies in late '90/beginning of 2000 already. DAP was performed by many models at that time, not so many like today and not so fast, but this is what the market needs for boost a model.
LP is not proposing extreme content, except few fisting/prolapse and few manhadle/domination, I do not really see anything so extreme comparing to the DVD market on 2000-2005. If you compare to the actual internet market, probably LP is more hard then many other websites, but it make sense. Price is very high and amouth of releases even higher.

Said that, there is so much "easy porn" for free now, that is a logical consequence to shoot more fascinating content, but it doesnt mean that the content is really so more extreme.

[lp-fan]

^For me main thing is good cum swallowing at the end without missing one drop

[magizi877]

I really hope LP does not got full on mainstream mode.

If you do, you better realize that mainstram porn competes with prices under $10 a month

$7.95 per month at Brazzers. $5 per month at EvilAngel. (12 month plans available at holidays for both).

And if by mainstream you mean lots and lots of 1 on 1 scenes, you better start getting more mike chapmans to compete with Mandingo, Lex, Nacho, etc.

But if by mainstream you mean same gangbangs, but less DAP. Then I wont complain at all.

[gapefan]

For me, some of your recent scenes are already becoming too soft Giorgio.

After seeing the true potential for all out Double Anal in your previous work, the DAP cuts are now too short (only a few minutes long).

And many of the amazing positions that made your scenes so great, are now missing.


As a result, I have begun skipping some of your recent scenes.

I'm finding I get more satisfaction from revisiting your previous work.


I respect your decision to attempt to appeal to a broader audience, and become more "mainstream". Obviously it's your studio, and you can do as you please.

Just understand that hardcore Double Anal fans like myself, may not be purchasing as much new content with these changes.


As magizi87 pointed out, there are plenty of monthly subsciptions available to "mainstream" content, at a much cheaper rate, all over the world wide web.

[kidloco2]

Place before: Personally I think that my future on LP is going to be "more mainstream" and "less niche", of course with very hardcore content. I think is very important in my position to create a content usable from the wider range of user is possible.

Apparently whole LP is going more "mainstream", I still believe in the power of niches (you have more stable customer platform yet smaller), but when you're saying "more mainstream" and "hardcore content" in the same sentence, what do you exactly mean? Isn't it still hardcore anal porn which is a pretty good niche?

We hare in 2016, for me mainstream porn is what for example JJ shoots. I think you really misunderstand the meaning of "mainstream" in porn, at least nowadays.

Sorry, Sir, I really didn't misunderstand anything. Maybe you did, when you've started with the "mainstream" term and put all that above Studios in one bag expect 21Sex, which is from vanilla to mainstream as hell .
Anyway, let's agree that most of the stuff that JJ, EE, EA, HARDX release is considered "hardcore mainstream".
I have a clear view of what Stefano (and thus you) wants to achieve, but I just don't agree with it.
And I don't see any chance for you to make any major success with plot based hardcore. Let's discuss it one year later whether I'm right or not.

[Iddaoeeok]

I also don't like goofy things in porn.

It's a pet hate of mine.

[Vawkes]

I have enjoyed the majority of scenes from this series, as Giorgio uses the best girls and I'm also a big fan of A Clockwork Orange.

Although, I've just watched the trailer an I'm not sure of the current instalment. Is it reenacting a scene from the original film? I fear it has too much acting in the scene and I don't know what Lola Shine's male friend is supposed to be doing. Also, I think the scene may be too bright in places as the window in the new location is letting a lot of light into the picture.

I am a big fan of Lola Shine and Belle Claire, obviously, so I may take a risk even at 5.5 tkts. I'm just concerned to see what future scenes from the series will be like...

[Giorgio Grandi]

"The plate is well decorate with the acting, but there is enough meat for be sated and even for tuck in"

[error01x]

I really want to see Lola Shine in stockings. Has she a stocking allergy? What a pitty that she has only one lingerie DAP. 4 on 1 Bbc with black stockings and please long hair again would be nice.

[klapphatt]

It would be great if this Clockwork Gang shit will stop.I will certanly not pay 5,5 tickets to see a lame try of acting from pornstars.
Porn is about fucking and thats what they do best.

[byleth]

Me, I like it and please Giorgio continu. it's not like if we have no other choice. It's great to have something different and still very sexy.
For sure I would have prefer more lingeries but I know that my pleasure like my liberty starts when it stops for others.