Jolee Love

[TomHardick]

I wouldn't mind to get some of her new stuff if she decides include DAP, like in her last EA scene. But her new stuff smells softcore. Like the material she shot months ago in germany, 20 min scenes with almost non sexual action. Let's remember that in the trip to Prague, she was going to shoot with Melina May, but she was sick, so her content was going to be full of lesbian action :/

[paco80741]

I wouldn't mind to get some of her new stuff if she decides include DAP, like in her last EA scene. But her new stuff smells softcore. Like the material she shot months ago in germany, 20 min scenes with almost non sexual action. Let's remember that in the trip to Prague, she was going to shoot with Melina May, but she was sick, so her content was going to be full of lesbian action :/

unfortunately she's gone now, we have to consider her retired, her activity nowadays is camshow, selling gadgets, insignificant softcore videos (self-produced or not self-produced it's the same)... last hardcore scene almost a year and a half ago...
a huge shame... it's as if Cristiano Ronaldo had gone to play in Saudi Arabia at 27 years old...

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Yes, I like your analogy about Jolee doing softcore and O F being similar to Cristiano Ronaldo playing in Saudi Arabia when he was 27!

A genuine waste of Jolee's peak years.

[jjwhite1985]

From the perspective of us hardcore fans sure, but I doubt she sees it that way. The work is less physically demanding and I'm sure she's getting paid a bunch.

[paco80741]

From the perspective of us hardcore fans sure, but I doubt she sees it that way. The work is less physically demanding and I'm sure she's getting paid a bunch.

I don't doubt that the work is less demanding.
the earnings could be discussed. I'm not in the industry and I don't know the details but I wonder why some models continue to shoot for Andrew X, AGO, Erika and don't all work for Pornworld or something similar. I don't think there is such a huge difference.
If we move on to the OF and other such things I throw up my hands, but at this point we simply have to recognize that porn is over.
in life there are also middle ways, shooting for Pornworld doesn't necessarily mean that you can't also shoot for Andrew X, especially when you've made a name for yourself and a fan base as a hardcore model working essentially for GIO - leaving aside the various podcasts in which she advertises herself as an extreme model who loves gang bangs...
I know today I'm a bit polemical but it's because I really miss Jolee... it's a vent, I continue to adore her and wish her the best.

[jjwhite1985]

I mean, it could just be a case that the scheduling hasn't worked out, but given it's been well over a year I suspect it's more than that. My guess would be that whatever incentives were there for her to shoot hardcore porn at LP are no longer there.

As for how she advertizes herself, my guess is it's just that - advertizing. She's also reaches a more mainstream porn audience these days, so when she talks about "extreme gangbangs", she may just mean DPs for pornworld or evil angel.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I guess once Andrew X is more established, he can offer Jolee more money, better incentives to return to GIO studios...but in exchange she would have to perform certain sex acts onscreen.

[seniorknight003]

Jolee love shooted for hardwrek studios

[tomh50080]

Looks like she finally shot another gangbang! Don't know much about this studio, let's hope they don't go overboard with the artsy filters and alternative lighting.
She looks incredible in the picture and the outfit is very hot.

[dap-addict]

She worked with 3 AH/GIO actors in Berlin.
If she'd wanna go back to shoot there in Prague they could sure help her.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

She worked with 3 AH/GIO actors in Berlin.
If she'd wanna go back to shoot there in Prague they could sure help her.

Sounds like a plan...

[znajomyspamer]

I think we should stop fooling ourselves and give up hope that Jolee will return to filming DAP scenes in Prague.

Germany is a proud nation. If she was sent back once because of her skin condition, she won't be back (she said in the report that she was disappointed - and I'm sure those words were about GIO). I think money is not as important as loyalty because Jolee has shown many times that her fans are very important to her. But that's the German mentality - you've disappointed her once and that's it.

I just hope that Jolee will appear in productions with good acting because the last scenes for Priv@te, to put it mildly, weren't the best. In the last scene for P0rnw0rld, you can see that Jolee still has fire in her and Marica came off poorly next to her.

Looking at H@rdw3rk's previous productions, there's a lot of DP, kissing and slapping. I hope that Jolee allowed some juicy spanking now. There is definitely chemistry between Jolee and Lutro, I don't know about the other gentlemen who were on the set. A big plus is also that the scenes are released about a month after recording.

[paco80741]

I think we should stop fooling ourselves and give up hope that Jolee will return to filming DAP scenes in Prague.

Germany is a proud nation. If she was sent back once because of her skin condition, she won't be back (she said in the report that she was disappointed - and I'm sure those words were about GIO). I think money is not as important as loyalty because Jolee has shown many times that her fans are very important to her. But that's the German mentality - you've disappointed her once and that's it.

I just hope that Jolee will appear in productions with good acting because the last scenes for Priv@te, to put it mildly, weren't the best. In the last scene for P0rnw0rld, you can see that Jolee still has fire in her and Marica came off poorly next to her.

Looking at H@rdw3rk's previous productions, there's a lot of DP, kissing and slapping. I hope that Jolee allowed some juicy spanking now. There is definitely chemistry between Jolee and Lutro, I don't know about the other gentlemen who were on the set. A big plus is also that the scenes are released about a month after recording.

I
agree that Jolee will never do hardcore porn again, I would leave aside the psychological introspection about the reasons, these are all speculations.
I personally do not find the reasons for disagreements with GIO for the "problem" of the skin credible. for a long period of time Jolee did not work for GIO but she did not work for any other studio either, a sign that if this problem was real it was a problem for any other production studio.
the only certain and incontrovertible fact is that Jolee has stopped shooting hardcore scenes, gang bang, DAP/TAP, piss both for GIO and for any other studio that produces content of this type. now he produces vanilla porn and camshow.

[dap-addict]

Germany is a proud nation. If she was sent back once because of her skin condition, she won't be back (she said in the report that she was disappointed - and I'm sure those words were about GIO). I think money is not as important as loyalty because Jolee has shown many times that her fans are very important to her. But that's the German mentality - you've disappointed her once and that's it.

I wouldnt put too much on German mentality, but Jolees individual character. I agree it was clear she was talking about GIO - and probabely her skin was just an excuse. I can think of what it was about almost certainly, but it doenst belong here. And it doesnt matter either.
Big question is how much of GIO does Jolee see in Andrew X.? He was very present in that back already in GIO studio, so maybe she cant overcome her disappointment mentally. I'd understand her, but than if she's really loyal to her fans, she can jump over that shadow, pick actors she likes co-operation with Andrew X. at times and go there for 1-2 jobs.

[feltrough]

Dont be delusional,she wont come back as she makesvenough money as it is. There is all to it

[paco80741]

Germany is a proud nation. If she was sent back once because of her skin condition, she won't be back (she said in the report that she was disappointed - and I'm sure those words were about GIO). I think money is not as important as loyalty because Jolee has shown many times that her fans are very important to her. But that's the German mentality - you've disappointed her once and that's it.

I wouldnt put too much on German mentality, but Jolees individual character. I agree it was clear she was talking about GIO - and probabely her skin was just an excuse. I can think of what it was about almost certainly, but it doenst belong here. And it doesnt matter either.
Big question is how much of GIO does Jolee see in Andrew X.? He was very present in that back already in GIO studio, so maybe she cant overcome her disappointment mentally. I'd understand her, but than if she's really loyal to her fans, she can jump over that shadow, pick actors she likes co-operation with Andrew X. at times and go there for 1-2 jobs.

I continue to believe that all of this is speculation. GIO has explicitly expressed himself on this issue, denying any problem with Jolee. I don't think Jolee has explicitly said anything about it, so...
if anyone knows anything, since I imagine we are all loyal fans of Jolee here, they could speak clearly.
the facts are that GIO no longer runs the studio, Andrew X is in his place, and that Jolee has not filmed gang bangs with DAP/TAP/PISS for any studio since October/November 2023 (not for AGO, not for Erika, not for Stalker... not for anyone else you can think of that produces this stuff). Since she returned, she has instead put together a series of sad vanilla porn scenes.
also, we are talking about professionals, in all workplaces there are misunderstandings or disagreements with colleagues or collaborators, but they are easily overcome if there is an interest in maintaining that working relationship.
I'm sure that if Jolee still wanted to shoot hardcore scenes she would go to Prague to Andrew X whenever possible and if the problem was the GIO studio she would start shooting this content for another similar studio.

[dap-addict]

If she doenst come back it's not her to blame but Giorgio Grandi instigating her to look for alternative income options at the time there was this so called skin problem. Jolee was a GIO regular for much longer than other girls of similar sales success structure. Than something very disappointing for her happened and now we are where we are.

[dap-addict]

continue to believe that all of this is speculation. GIO has explicitly expressed himself on this issue, denying any problem with Jolee. I don't think Jolee has explicitly said anything about it, so...
if anyone knows anything, since I imagine we are all loyal fans of Jolee here, they could speak clearly.

I will just give you a hint because not all needs to be discussed here: In 2023 GIO studio asked all or at least most of their best selling girls to perform for 10-20% less. Some very popular girls agreed at that time. Others felt really let down.

[dap-addict]

Btw, I gave this % number to make me attackable more easily.
But seriously, exploding production costs can sure be countered by solidarity of all involved in production the more as skyrocketing fees were a known fact for many years, question here is rather way of asking, way of communication and reasoning, sensitivity.

[TomHardick]

Her last scene was hard to enjoy; a lot of lesbian action, lame DPs, poor camera angles and cuts. Man, it's so sad to realize that this is the best we can get from her these days.

[paco80741]

Her last scene was hard to enjoy; a lot of lesbian action, lame DPs, poor camera angles and cuts. Man, it's so sad to realize that this is the best we can get from her these days.

all the scenes she has been in since her return are unwatchable for me (to be clear, not her fault) apart from the DAP for evil angel which is still not much for someone like her

[paco80741]

continue to believe that all of this is speculation. GIO has explicitly expressed himself on this issue, denying any problem with Jolee. I don't think Jolee has explicitly said anything about it, so...
if anyone knows anything, since I imagine we are all loyal fans of Jolee here, they could speak clearly.

I will just give you a hint because not all needs to be discussed here: In 2023 GIO studio asked all or at least most of their best selling girls to perform for 10-20% less. Some very popular girls agreed at that time. Others felt really let down.

I respect your point of view but I don't think it's GIO's fault. First of all, what is the "trigger" cause? the "skin" problem or the compensation? Let's agree... it seems obvious to me that the GIO studio was in difficulty so if it proposed a cut in the compensation to the models it seems quite natural to me then obviously there will be those who accept and those who don't... it's called the free market, any professional understands how it works it's not a problem "of being disappointed".
anna de ville or ria sunn continued to shoot for GIO - now I'll make some random numbers - if they were paid 5000 euros per scene and Jolee asked for 7000 it's obvious that for the studio it becomes an unviable option (I say this with all the adoration I have for Jolee).

[paco80741]

Btw, I gave this % number to make me attackable more easily.
But seriously, exploding production costs can sure be countered by solidarity of all involved in production the more as skyrocketing fees were a known fact for many years, question here is rather way of asking, way of communication and reasoning, sensitivity.

on this point I agree with you 100%, in the world of work between serious and competent professionals if there is MUTUAL INTEREST an agreement is always mediated that is advantageous for both...
seeing the continuation of Jolee's career I would say that on her part there is not the slightest interest in resuming the interrupted path

[paco80741]

let me go back to my football example for a moment... Cristiano Ronaldo at 27 years old plays for Real Madrid at the height of his footballing maturity. at the end of the season the negotiations for the renewal of the contract fall through. some newspapers write that there were disagreements with Mourinho others that the club has proposed a new contract with a reduced salary. if the problem was Real Madrid/Mourinho Ronaldo would sign a new contract with Barcelona and together with Messi he would win (in the face of Real Madrid) the next 10 Spanish championships and probably the next 10 Champions Leagues (obviously as an alternative to Barcelona I could say any other great team competitive at the highest levels). and instead Ronaldo surprises everyone and opts for an exorbitant salary and goes into early retirement to play in a bachelor/married level championship in the United Arab Emirates.

[dap-addict]

I respect your point of view but I don't think it's GIO's fault. First of all, what is the "trigger" cause? the "skin" problem or the compensation? Let's agree... it seems obvious to me that the GIO studio was in difficulty so if it proposed a cut in the compensation to the models it seems quite natural to me then obviously there will be those who accept and those who don't... it's called the free market, any professional understands how it works it's not a problem "of being disappointed".
anna de ville or ria sunn continued to shoot for GIO...

It was a normal business decision and not per se GIOs fault, but way of communication with girls was. Running a porn studio is dealing with a lot of very self-centered girls, it's quite a stress job and part of why Giorgio Grandi quit. I know from girls that they felt hurt by the way that cut was proposed to them. Too often it was a communication based on scene sales drops, which were a general tendency, but some girls took it as an individual attack.
If Jolee felt disappointed she just did so and we cant change that. But as fans we pay the price now. But in my mind I can go back and consider how I would have explained her the situation and that cut proposal - and compare it with how it was actually done.

[gftpass]

The only reason for not continuing shooting hard porn is her absolutely lack of Will. We must be disillusioned about that. This stage is the prelude of the total retirement from the business. Other actresses have done the same before. This case is specially painful because we adore her and we know the place she leaves behind is not easily replaced. Her last scene for pornworld with the memorable belly of David Perry, no Comments. The only scene that stands out a little is the last for Evil Angel.

[dap-addict]

The only reason for not continuing shooting hard porn is her absolutely lack of Will. We must be disillusioned about that.

Look, nobody will work for less if one is not sure to gain something else by that. Jolee always carefully dosed her power put into her GIO scenes, it was always visible, you could always feel it. In her BTS YouTube and that mainstream TV doc she is clearly playing with her fans, it's genuinely good marketing. It's between a joy and very sad to watch that, a joy to see her self-marketing successfully, but a sad lack of hardcore porn comittement. Still, at the end of the day it was always only a job for her and it was clear from her 2nd GIO booking back in Autumn 2018.

[paco80741]

The only reason for not continuing shooting hard porn is her absolutely lack of Will. We must be disillusioned about that.

Look, nobody will work for less if one is not sure to gain something else by that. Jolee always carefully dosed her power put into her GIO scenes, it was always visible, you could always feel it. In her BTS YouTube and that mainstream TV doc she is clearly playing with her fans, it's genuinely good marketing. It's between a joy and very sad to watch that, a joy to see her self-marketing successfully, but a sad lack of hardcore porn comittement. Still, at the end of the day it was always only a job for her and it was clear from her 2nd GIO booking back in Autumn 2018.

from how you pose the question it seems that it is not a problem of will but simply of how much she is paid. I am not in the industry and therefore I do not know these details but I should deduce that since Jolee does not work for any studio that produces hardcore scenes none of these studios pay enough.
at this point I do not understand why anna de ville, ria sunn, vittoria devine, nuria millan (the first that came to mind) continue to work for these studios as underpaid.
it could very well be as you wrote that GIO has managed the "rates" problem badly from a human point of view but if this was the only problem Jolee would have continued to shoot hardcore porn for other studios.
I simply believe that Jolee during the break has organized herself to make money with other channels that are certainly less demanding from a performance point of view and now there is no reason why she should go back to doing the porn she did before.

[gftpass]

I am sure that right now even receiving an offer equal to or higher financially than the one she could have had in her last TP/TAP with GIO, she doesn't accept. It is a fact that after the break She has reinvented herself, but I am very clear that what has made her who she is in the business is not softcore or scenes for PW or Private. For me, there is no economic issue here.

[dap-addict]

It is a fact that after the break She has reinvented herself, but I am very clear that what has made her who she is in the business is not softcore or scenes for PW or Private. For me, there is no economic issue here.

Of course she has re-invented herself and after that change she doesnt need to make more demanding scenes anymore. Her talks with GIO, which had an economic reason beyond all, were a starting point for her professional change.

Now since you mention loyalty: I get the impression she's acknowledging that by pretending she was still a hardcore actress. It's the least she can do. But again it's consistent with her GIO career never really giving all on set.

Btw, interesting to compare Jolees career prom that GIO fee talk starting point with other GIO girls dropping out in 2023. Most changed their field of work more! Some ended up escorting only. I dont judge no girl, but I like the way Jolee handled that disappointment crisis. Although as a fan hoping she'll finally push her hardcore anal envelope I sure would have preferred something else!