The End of Legalporno?

[visigoth2020260]

There’s definitely been a noticeable slowdown in recent days from Giorgio and Gonzo.

Maybe GG is just tired of spending every day with the same 4-5 girls. I am aware that many of you will lose the meaning of life or even take your own lives if you can't buy an Anna De Ville scene every day. But if it comes to the point that maybe only 2-3 scenes per week will be released - with girls who haven't shot 5000 scenes for GG, then a slowdown would be the best thing that could happen.

I concur, however, I do hope that Master GG would address this issue once more. Yes, as it happened on the days of Selvaggia, all the girls were replaced over night, if my memory of the circumstances is accurate.

This women require a rejuvenation. Although they are excellent actors, all we see is the same boring predictable predicament outcome; most of the time, they aren't to blame because these bitches will do anything is asked of them.
Allow this bitches to rule the set. Obviously, that is your idea, and you have been in charge of it. Never should we let these bitches wander off on their own.

put up a story called 15 SECONDS OF FAME.

Here, our male studs are clamoring for a chance at stardom, regardless of how fleeting.

a reporter covering the story and speaking to the audience in real-time.
The fame-giver is our whore in question.


The 7 or 8 males are interviewed by the newswoman, who is really attractive.
What kind of renown do you want, sir?
I simply want to be regarded as the greatest ass fister ever, dude.
Guy 2, Guy 3, we're a duo, and we want to go down in history as the greatest DAP team to ever exist.
Guy 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, we are the piss brothers, and we've spent our entire lives dreaming of becoming famous for our pissiness. We want our fantasies to come true.

Newswoman, tonight is your night of fame and we have a major surprise in store for you all. But before I can determine whether you all have what it takes for those 15 seconds of piss renown, I need to look at your cocks.

While addressing the audience, who are astounded by her amazing anchor skills, the newswoman kneels down with a microphone in hand and begins sucking their cocks.

When the lovely whore who has appeared in a trillion scenes all of a sudden enters, she announces that tonight is going to be different.

Our alleged whore is going to take a position and call the men who are all positioned behind the sofa, one at a time in demeanor vocabulary, giving each, or as a group of 2, 3, or 4, precisely 15 seconds to perform. Once she has determined that the 15 seconds have passed, she calls or shouts for the following participants in line.
She occasionally has to discipline some people because they refuse to leave when she orders them to.
She is free to sit on their faces or piss on them.

I hope you get the point, though, anyhow.
There are a trillion things you can do with these whores, and the worst thing that could happen is for them to show up to fucker-fuck studio and see them using the whores we created to accomplish their ideas or ours. these F copycats but won't copy the essential.

In fact, it has already been done, but I did think of it specifically for you, just as it recently did happen with a very basic notion of mine.
So, kindly claim it; I have documentation that it is yours, and it is somewhere in the forum.

It is yours.

please guys give ideas not just ask to discard the whores.

[misangrenegra2]

Some of the new scenes are too expensive. People should stop support of those because they will get away with keep charging ridiculous numbers.

Just stop with the ridiculous numbers or you will have to keep charging more to compensate for the lost clients.

Anything above 10 tickets is nuts. Videos should be 5 tickets tops, but because there is people I can understand if they go a little higher than 5, but the numbers we se now are just a joke.

Definitely is something that i noticed too... how the prices are rising up over and over again.. in 5 years the prices have been rising, in the past a scene cost between 5-6 TKTs and currently are close to 15 TKT, even some recent scenes cost this and a little more, in the beggining of 2023, the cost have been between 10 and 12 maxium(some scenes a little more like 12,23 or similars), but in the last week of June the price rised again, being the prices close to 13 TKT to 14'XX, even now 15 some of the scenes...Each time is more difficult to me support and get scenes, i cannot follow the rythm and always the prices are rising over and over again, all this devaluate our TKTs purchased before of the rising of prices.

[YuriyProneBone]

The costumers always have the power. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and promise to you that you won't be fooled.

Some scenes are worth 12 tickets if there are two girls, and they are at least 1 hour long with straight up anal, but anything more it is just producers being over their heads thinking they deserve more.

The problem is that there will always be addicts that would keep paying big prices for their porn. So this makes producers think is OK. They even think is too little what they are changing.

So they keep losing more and more costumers and becomes a vicious cycle were they have to keep charging more to please a smaller amount of costumers.

Some producers try to sell for less, but because some people have been scared by big prices they also have a smaller pool to sell their stuff.

It will take time to build a pool big enough for them to charge less, and many don't have the patience, others don't have the resources.

But as long as you don't support anything expensive eventually it autocorrects.

I would say never pay more than 12 tickets regardless what type of scene it is or things will just continue to rise.

In US it is more expensive to make scenes, way more, and they still don't charge these ridiculous numbers.

So don't let them see you as a fool. It is on you if this changes or not.

[misangrenegra2]

The costumers always have the power. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and promise to you that you won't be fooled.

Some scenes are worth 12 tickets if there are two girls, and they are at least 1 hour long with straight up anal, but anything more it is just producers being over their heads thinking they deserve more.

The problem is that there will always be addicts that would keep paying big prices for their porn. So this makes producers think is OK. They even think is too little what they are changing.

So they keep losing more and more costumers and becomes a vicious cycle were they have to keep charging more to please a smaller amount of costumers.

Some producers try to sell for less, but because some people have been scared by big prices they also have a smaller pool to sell their stuff.

It will take time to build a pool big enough for them to charge less, and many don't have the patience, others don't have the resources.

But as long as you don't support anything expensive eventually it autocorrects.

I would say never pay more than 12 tickets regardless what type of scene it is or things will just continue to rise.

In US it is more expensive to make scenes, way more, and they still don't charge these ridiculous numbers.

So don't let them see you as a fool. It is on you if this changes or not.

I'm aware of how the prices are rising, I want to believe that they are external factors like the inflation and other kind of economic/social factors and not that the directors are more greedy.

I've been here for a lot of years and i lived several changes of this site in their policy, interfaces, number of releases, the born of PB, how a lot of studios came here, how the prices has been rising, the trends in the scenes, etc etc..

I'm going to be honest, I had to reduce my support forcibly, not willfully, by the rising of the prices. I don't have the big picture but in 5 years, the scenes cost almost 3 times more (currently some scenes cost 15 tkts), at least in the main studio that i support (GIO).

In their beginning until 2019 (even January/February 2020) the prices were AMAZING, the maximum was 6 TKT and the content was incredible, since that date until today the prices have been rising up.

In those years, with an active membership with their automatic monthly TKT recharge and a good package of TKT, each one were able to support a lot of content without problems.

Now the TKTs are DEVALUATED, you get the same quantity than before ( 5-6 years ago, even more) each month, but the TKTs cost more than ever and the TKTs priceses per scene too, hardly you can buy 4 scenes currently, and 5-6 years ago you were able to buy 8-9 with the same quantity.

Obviously we are not forced to purchase, less with those prices, but is a pitty cannot support my favorite anal porn because of that.

As i wrote, i've been here for a while, some years ago, the old scenes used to decrease their prices, something that was stopped in 2019 if i remember, maybe before but now this not happen anymore, no matter how many years pass, they cost the same like when were released, this makes hard foment some sales as an oportunity for the costumer instead of only new content.

I'm pretty sure that the sales have been reduced, is something that i guess based in what i read and see, remember Yuri what you posted some months ago.. is happening, Gio is selling compilations and "best of XXXX" with more "attractive" prices, basically for me this means that the site lost sells and they try to get some more sells with the "minimum effort" (simply needs work edition of scenes already shooted and publish them as a compilation) , even they are offering PROMOS of old scenes with a interesting duration to check them and foment to the costumers to buy old content (would be more effective reduce the prices of the old content).

We can apply the same to the others studios, they increased too the prices, their scenes cost a little bit less but there are too many offer for the whole demand of the site..

Everybody knows that LP/AV used to offered scenes from few studios in their beggining, everybody knows too how a lot of studios have been appearing in the last years with more and more scenes, basically the offer have been multiplied x20 at least, Happened the same with the costumers? Has AV 20x more quantity of costumers able to cover the whole demand? I would say: No.

Also to add, i understand that the performers have a status (a price to hire them) but the cost are not the same in EU, USA or other places, even that, doesn't change that the prices are quite similars.

Yuri is right, the american porn sites are quite cheaps in comparission with this place, i know that the quality of sex offered here is superior, but they have more resources, great camera works, variety of locations and porn thematics and with not more than 100€ per year, you have a full access in any porn site of USA.

[YuriyProneBone]

Yuri is right, the american porn sites are quite cheaps in comparission with this place, i know that the quality of sex offered here is superior, but they have more resources, great camera works, variety of locations and porn thematics and with not more than 100€ per year, you have a full access in any porn site of USA.

To be fair a lot of USA porn are 1 on 1, not many gangbangs there, and most are not even anal, you would think that makes them cheaper, however making those scenes cost as much as an anal gangbang in Europe for all the other things you mentioned, the personnel in charge of lighting, sound, costumes, makeup, shooting, editing, the script, also the expenses on locations, travel, hotels, and of course performers.

Distribution is cheaper now because of the Internet, but many studios still deliver high quality productions despite the myth that with erotica sites proliferating, somehow now high productions are supposedly down, when in reality high production is actually high as ever, the difference is that they have a bigger pool of buyers because it is mainstream porn and not a niche, but making it more expensive it is just making even more niche, so it is a vicious cycle of making the pool of buyers, and the pool of new buyers jumping in, smaller.

[MackZatis]

But if it comes to the point that maybe only 2-3 scenes per week will be released - with girls who haven't shot 5000 scenes for GG, then a slowdown would be the best thing that could happen.

Many years ago that is how it was. There was only 2 studios, GIO & Gonzo. And they only had 3 maybe 4 releases per week, but they were ALL BANGERS! Even if the female performer wasn't your "cup of tea", it was easy to see the scene was still of the highest quality. The direction, videography & performance were all top notch.
AND.... That's not even the best part, these scenes only cost between 1.5 & 3.5(at most) TKT. So at that time common practice was just to buy all scenes released. That's what I & many others did, and at the end of the month I/they would still have TKT's left, so over time, you accumlated a stockpile of them.

NOBODY, I mean absolutely NOBODY was bitching & moaning about needing a new scene EVERY SINGLE DAY, let alone MULTIPLE scenes everyday from the studios. That was all self imposed or inflicted as it seems now.

Now with such laughable prices and never ending increases, COMBINED with the fact that TKT allotment has NOT increased at all (the monthly price has though), and you have our current situation where members have to be ultra selective with what they decide to purchase.

So I AGREE 1000% with you when you say "a slowdown would be the best thing that could happen". However, I'm pretty much guarantee that we will NOT see any rise in quality of the scenes that would be released.

On a different note, but still related the the thread topic;

Is upper management so obtuse they cannot grasp that presentation & UI is EVERYTHING when you have on "online store"??? If I were just now visiting the site for the first time, I would be;
~So overwhelmed, just by the sheer amount of what looks like the worst "filmed" Soviet Russian amateur porn. Just all haphazardly thrown on the page, with no rhyme or reason & no way to change layout/way of sorting.
~Not aroused, or even turned on a little by a majority of each scenes thumbnail. (This is the only porn site that does NOT even try to put the hottest, most sexy picture to be displayed for the scene. Ya know, to lure potential customers in, even if not normally their thing. Make it as appealing as possible.)
~Confused by this whole TKT system, and the many variations of it for different studios. With no easily findable info on the topic. No FAQ section, no "sticky" topics in the forum. Not even an explination on the purchase page.
~Now I am angry. Because somehow among the bullshit trashy camera-phone "porn" (in the loosest sense of the word) I managed to find something that turns me on. But I now see the prices and I think this place is a SCAM!!!
~Also I would be completely unaware to the fact that "analvids"/"pissvids"/PornBox is not really a studio/label. But really more akin to a flea-market. So that inevitably when something bad happens/bad press with one of the studios on pornbox. It blows back on or looks bad for XXX/"LegalPorno" as it were because a majority of the porn viewing/consuming public doesn't know the this place is a bunch of COMPLETELY different & TOTALLY independent studios that have no tie to XXX at all. Only that he has a market where he lists their CRAP for sale (flea-market).
~I don't know any of this because there is no explanation of just WTF PornBox actually is....

But it's not my first time here, so I continue to wonder WHY THE HELL does XXX not distinguish between the core studios, especially his & GIO who've been the bread winners and ALL the other crap CAM CLIPS noise & TRASH *cough* "studios".

Why they get the same placement and prominence is beyond me. These 10-50 new studios everyday that can't even be bothered or put forth ANY effort what so ever to make a proper scene pic &/or a trailer.
I just can't & don't comprehend any of that. But then again I'm not the all knowing, all powerful XXX, and maybe I not supposed to....

Gee sale are down, why could that be??? (among the numerous reason why) Well lets start at step 1, people have to be able to EASILY FIND it, and EASILY UNDERSTAND what they are asked to pay, and why.

[MackZatis]

Due to some difficulties due to an almost porn production problem and they could shoot less @ GIO and it shows now. It's really as easy as that.

It's pretty sad, that an "almost shutdown" is enough for affects to be seen/felt that quickly....

[dap-addict]

If it was only the 2 studios gonzo and GIO you mentioned your previous post, it would have been fatal and very very visible. But luckily there are almost not connected separate talent pools in Medellin, Rio and Russia. Todays core LP studios consisting of about 10 higher quality producers could balance the Prague 'almost shutdown' stop a bit.

[magizi87]

Here is my theory of what's happening.

I think there are two possible situations to explain what's going on.

EITHER studios are making so much money that they no longer care to produce quality content
(By quality content I mean ACTUALLY pretty looking women)
and no longer need to produce as much content as before, whereas Gio and Gonzo were doing daily releases.

OR they are struggling to make ANY money and therefore can barely afford "OK" looking women
or women who are so ugly they are only offered jobs that feature EXTREME content.

Remember when somebody posted he wanted women getting urinated, prolapsed and fisted on every scene
and XXX replied with his usual one-liners of "hey, shut up", and now it seems like that's the only thing they do.

Pornbox is like the biggest collection extreme content ever, on the face of the earth.
To me, is like the biggest collection of HORSE-SHIT content ever made in the history of porn.

I think Mina, Kristy and CIndy is like, THE LAST GENERATION, to be actually good looking women on PORNBOX.

[Paizal]

Pornbox is like the biggest collection extreme content ever, on the face of the earth.
To me, is like the biggest collection of HORSE-SHIT content ever made in the history of porn.

Absolutely agree. In addition, the studios have the advantage that they have the most jaded wank robots as customers, which US studios can only dream of. They don't even realize that they bought the 1000th scene with Rebel Ryder within a few months. All that matters is that a piece of meat is strangled, slapped and pissed on. And the further psycho customers push, the further studios will stretch the limits...in prices and content.

[misangrenegra2]

But if it comes to the point that maybe only 2-3 scenes per week will be released - with girls who haven't shot 5000 scenes for GG, then a slowdown would be the best thing that could happen.

Many years ago that is how it was. There was only 2 studios, GIO & Gonzo. And they only had 3 maybe 4 releases per week, but they were ALL BANGERS! Even if the female performer wasn't your "cup of tea", it was easy to see the scene was still of the highest quality. The direction, videography & performance were all top notch.
AND.... That's not even the best part, these scenes only cost between 1.5 & 3.5(at most) TKT. So at that time common practice was just to buy all scenes released. That's what I & many others did, and at the end of the month I/they would still have TKT's left, so over time, you accumlated a stockpile of them.

NOBODY, I mean absolutely NOBODY was bitching & moaning about needing a new scene EVERY SINGLE DAY, let alone MULTIPLE scenes everyday from the studios. That was all self imposed or inflicted as it seems now.

Now with such laughable prices and never ending increases, COMBINED with the fact that TKT allotment has NOT increased at all (the monthly price has though), and you have our current situation where members have to be ultra selective with what they decide to purchase.

So I AGREE 1000% with you when you say "a slowdown would be the best thing that could happen". However, I'm pretty much guarantee that we will NOT see any rise in quality of the scenes that would be released.

On a different note, but still related the the thread topic;

Is upper management so obtuse they cannot grasp that presentation & UI is EVERYTHING when you have on "online store"??? If I were just now visiting the site for the first time, I would be;
~So overwhelmed, just by the sheer amount of what looks like the worst "filmed" Soviet Russian amateur porn. Just all haphazardly thrown on the page, with no rhyme or reason & no way to change layout/way of sorting.
~Not aroused, or even turned on a little by a majority of each scenes thumbnail. (This is the only porn site that does NOT even try to put the hottest, most sexy picture to be displayed for the scene. Ya know, to lure potential customers in, even if not normally their thing. Make it as appealing as possible.)
~Confused by this whole TKT system, and the many variations of it for different studios. With no easily findable info on the topic. No FAQ section, no "sticky" topics in the forum. Not even an explination on the purchase page.
~Now I am angry. Because somehow among the bullshit trashy camera-phone "porn" (in the loosest sense of the word) I managed to find something that turns me on. But I now see the prices and I think this place is a SCAM!!!
~Also I would be completely unaware to the fact that "analvids"/"pissvids"/PornBox is not really a studio/label. But really more akin to a flea-market. So that inevitably when something bad happens/bad press with one of the studios on pornbox. It blows back on or looks bad for XXX/"LegalPorno" as it were because a majority of the porn viewing/consuming public doesn't know the this place is a bunch of COMPLETELY different & TOTALLY independent studios that have no tie to XXX at all. Only that he has a market where he lists their CRAP for sale (flea-market).
~I don't know any of this because there is no explanation of just WTF PornBox actually is....

But it's not my first time here, so I continue to wonder WHY THE HELL does XXX not distinguish between the core studios, especially his & GIO who've been the bread winners and ALL the other crap CAM CLIPS noise & TRASH *cough* "studios".

Why they get the same placement and prominence is beyond me. These 10-50 new studios everyday that can't even be bothered or put forth ANY effort what so ever to make a proper scene pic &/or a trailer.
I just can't & don't comprehend any of that. But then again I'm not the all knowing, all powerful XXX, and maybe I not supposed to....

Gee sale are down, why could that be??? (among the numerous reason why) Well lets start at step 1, people have to be able to EASILY FIND it, and EASILY UNDERSTAND what they are asked to pay, and why.

I'm totally agree with you, MackZatis. There have been so many changes, including what i posted and others did, that no ones can explain how it looks worst currently for the customers than before.

There were more control when there were a few studios, less releases and better quality.

As you said, the increase of releases was something that nobody asked, i can remember too how many things we lost, like the free TKT system where a costumer could use them to get old content, a front page where the main studios, a subforum with the daily releases that didn't affect to the model subforum, more interaction of the directors in the forum, a suggest are where the people vote for ideas (this is pointless because never was usefull and no ones saw any idea shooted).

The excesive rise of prices including the excesive rise of releases and the appear of a lot of new random studios, makes everything a chaos.

Everything has changed to a "hidden" micro payments, in a certainly point, i can understand is reasonable but the forum more uninformed now.

Do you want talk directly with a director? support the content to be able to talk with him in a chat (If he answer you).

Do you like suggest ideas? make a tip or pay for custom content.

Other things are the PB interface.. the idea is GOOD but they must priorize the main studios, as Dap addict said, there are 10 professional studios +-, show them properly, show the best content for the customer and hidden all these random studios.

The client support and a useful guide of "How it works" with good pics and short videos are inexistent.

The client support has gotten worse, some users complained about don't get anwsers from the chat, (me too saw it), is not normal have a business like this with an international bunch of costumers and don't have a full service if something goes wrong, including the weekends where the supports doesn't exist.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

[Pboxer88]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

There's only one comparison that even makes sense. Theater tickets. Feature movies have 100x-1000x + more time and effort and money thrown into them than a porn scene and are two hours long at 12-14 euro.

Literally the only .1% of the people on the planet that would call 14 tickets for a porn scene "too cheap" are the people producing it. You have to see through your own delusion here, you're literally comparing porn to substance (food).

[Pboxer88]

*sustenance (not substance)

[hjohjole]

You can get 200 magnets for 1.30 EUR on Aliexpress
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/32568019 ... 954!rec!US

They are tiny and dont have any leaning towers on them. But if you just want to stick some paper on the fridge they will probably do the job. Just saying

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I deal with maths and statistics a lot in my line of work, (I do not put statistics anywhere near the same bracket as pure maths)...

My perception, and opinion is that in the past when top Gonzo and GIO scenes were released and sold for 4-5.5 tickets daily...back then, the pricing was somewhat on the low side.

However, as the top GIO scenes are now edging close to, or in some cases above 15 tickets, I think customers and fans have a right to say that they seem quite expensive.
I still think there was a time when a happy medium of 11 to 13 tickets for a top GIO studio scene was the correct pricing.
However, I always feel that if a scene is too expensive - then if you really want it, either save up to buy it, or you can purchase another scene at a lower cost.
That is the beauty of PornBox, you can always buy from the very large selection of scenes.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

There's only one comparison that even makes sense. Theater tickets. Feature movies have 100x-1000x + more time and effort and money thrown into them than a porn scene and are two hours long at 12-14 euro.

Literally the only .1% of the people on the planet that would call 14 tickets for a porn scene "too cheap" are the people producing it. You have to see through your own delusion here, you're literally comparing porn to substance (food).

if I wanted my meal to be "sustenance" I would have gone to the supermarket, bought a loaf of bread for 0.20e, two slices of ham at the salami counter for 0.40e, I would have left the supermarket, made myself a sandwich and drank water from the fountain sitting on a step

but I did not do it, I sit a the restaurant and ordered a meal and paid the bill. Porn is not "sustenance", is a pleasure, exactly like a meal at the restaurant.

Said that, I do agree 15e for a porn scene its a lot when your salary at job is low. So, whats the real problem, the prices (of everything) growing or your salary not keeping up with it?
(it's a rhetorical question)

[Buck_Meister]

Don't see why the complaints here

GG stuffs is:
Piss, Slide, Slap, repeat
Piss, Slide, Slap, repeat
Piss, Slide, Slap, repeat

What else did you expect
Lots of retards worship that just like they adore watching fake slapping and body throwing in Wrestling
You really expect a director making millions out of such garbage fake to produce quality rough intense multiple penetration gangbangs

[hjohjole]

if I wanted my meal to be "sustenance" I would have gone to the supermarket, bought a loaf of bread for 0.20e, two slices of ham at the salami counter for 0.40e, I would have left the supermarket, made myself a sandwich and drank water from the fountain sitting on a step

but I did not do it, I sit a the restaurant and ordered a meal and paid the bill. Porn is not "sustenance", is a pleasure, exactly like a meal at the restaurant.

Now thats your problem right there Giorgio. You cant afford any nice models anymore since you spend all your money on luxury fridge magnets and pasta.

Sorry, just joking.

But remember that it is always the customer who ultimately decides if a particular piece of porn is just "sustenance" (and not desirable to buy) or if it is more than that.
The higher the price of the porn and the lower the funds of the customer. The more harsh of a judge the customer will be.

[House MD]

The level of stupidity in this sequence is unfathomable
How can you engage in a hardcore action such as DAP while at the same time acting like a retard
It's such a level of amateurism and shallowness one just cannot construe

If those dicks could have the balls to fuck that pussy viciously rather than acting like a brain damaged dimwit
... but hey guess who prodcuced that vid?

[YuriyProneBone]

GIO is basically just taking advantage of the addicts because he can, to be fair, it is not his fault that people are weak spirited and pay ridiculous prices for porn when they all know it is just mindlessly taking advantage of their addiction.

GIO can actually be guilt free of charging how much he wants because the fault is from addicts encouraging it.

Many women are at lot worst than GIO, just look how more mindless is anything on Only Fans.

If people just stops buying scenes with ridiculous prices they can all go back down to 4 to 7 tickets, but is up to the costumer to decide and have the will to hold their impulses for months before they see any changes.

[magizi87]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

Maybe check the price of other porn websites and not products that are aimed at tourist with a huge markup...

[drevokocur66]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

Was the pasta any good?

[johnpsp30]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

No offense, but the content you produce isn't even worth downloading for free. I've seen your old videos from 10+ years ago and found them 100x the quality of the work you currently produce.

[johnpsp30]

Pornbox is like the biggest collection extreme content ever, on the face of the earth.
To me, is like the biggest collection of HORSE-SHIT content ever made in the history of porn.

Absolutely agree. In addition, the studios have the advantage that they have the most jaded wank robots as customers, which US studios can only dream of. They don't even realize that they bought the 1000th scene with Rebel Ryder within a few months. All that matters is that a piece of meat is strangled, slapped and pissed on. And the further psycho customers push, the further studios will stretch the limits...in prices and content.

Quoting this for truth. Almost all of the content produced on this site is awful. It didn't always used to be this way, even 3-5 years ago there was quality posted here. Now every video caters to the most extreme fantasies while at the same time following a robotic formula. There is no spontaneous interactions between the performers, it's like they have a checklist of positions they need to hit. It's actually hilarious how bad it is here.

I can go back and watch any movie produced by Jake Malone or Joey Silvera and find so much more creativity than anything produced here.

[pronossstat]

GIO is basically just taking advantage of the addicts because he can, to be fair, it is not his fault that people are weak spirited and pay ridiculous prices for porn when they all know it is just mindlessly taking advantage of their addiction.

GIO can actually be guilt free of charging how much he wants because the fault is from addicts encouraging it.

Many women are at lot worst than GIO, just look how more mindless is anything on Only Fans.

If people just stops buying scenes with ridiculous prices they can all go back down to 4 to 7 tickets, but is up to the costumer to decide and have the will to hold their impulses for months before they see any changes.

I think, price directly depends on the number of performers. Five years ago 6+on1 gangbang was a milestone for a model, now some of them have it every month. Maybe it would make sense to reduce performers number in gangbangs to make them great again and possibly to lower the prices.

[misangrenegra2]

if I wanted my meal to be "sustenance" I would have gone to the supermarket, bought a loaf of bread for 0.20e, two slices of ham at the salami counter for 0.40e, I would have left the supermarket, made myself a sandwich and drank water from the fountain sitting on a step

but I did not do it, I sit a the restaurant and ordered a meal and paid the bill. Porn is not "sustenance", is a pleasure, exactly like a meal at the restaurant.

Said that, I do agree 15e for a porn scene its a lot when your salary at job is low. So, whats the real problem, the prices (of everything) growing or your salary not keeping up with it?
(it's a rhetorical question)

This directly is demagogic.

Basically because your product is available worldwide and not in one country, your base of costumers, even AV costumers, are not only from Czech, i'm sure that the of costumers are from other countries.

Other important thing is including the fact that the economies and salaries are not the same in every country, is simple think that an a costumer from america would be more profit in general than a costumer from Uganda based and just thinking in their economies and salaries.

In my opinion you choosed a bad example, and as magizi87 said:

Maybe check the price of other porn websites and not products that are aimed at tourist with a huge markup...

Simply check other famous porn companies.

There are other pornsites than offer a huge quantity of scenes/porn movies for a lot less price than here and with better conditions for the costumers like be able to download the whole content of the page without limits and not like this TKT's system.

As Yuripronebone said: American porn doesn't shoot the same number of gangbangs like here, mostly 1on1, 2on1, is more conventional porn, they have forbidden shoot wet porn, are a little bit less hardcore, but even they trend to shoot scenes with several boys too. For me here the male performers are better and the scenes are more hardcore but they shoot a lot of styles and offer a huge variety of outfits, locations, storylines, the difference is quite big if we take this place as an example.

The others sites that offer bigger prices than here are this like on ly fa ns or many vids, where people pay for custome porn insane quantities (the majority is crap), well thinking better, here there are studios more expensive than you, like ArgenDana (she offers an anal masturbation/insertions in a different level, i'm aware that surely not many women in the world can perform as she and takes advantage with the prices) or other unknown studios with unreasonable prices.

I think, price directly depends on the number of performers. Five years ago 6+on1 gangbang was a milestone for a model, now some of them have it every month. Maybe it would make sense to reduce performers number in gangbangs to make them great again and possibly to lower the prices.

This is directly false, basically you are saying that the price for a gangbang has multiply per 3 in 5 years.

[misangrenegra2]

I think, price directly depends on the number of performers. Five years ago 6+on1 gangbang was a milestone for a model, now some of them have it every month. Maybe it would make sense to reduce performers number in gangbangs to make them great again and possibly to lower the prices.

This is directly false, basically you are saying that the price for a gangbang has multiply per 3 in 5 years.

Explanation: Yes, the prices to buy a gangbang scene cost almost 3x times more than before, my point is about the cost to produce a gangbang, i don't think the woman and the guys gains 3x their old salary to shoot one gangbang.

[Buck_Meister]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

No offense, but the content you produce isn't even worth downloading for free. I've seen your old videos from 10+ years ago and found them 100x the quality of the work you currently produce.

Amen to that mate
I've been hanging around Legalporno/sineplex since 2008 proly earlier given I'm a 2000s golden age CZ porn fan and the quality of GIO zeroed and hit rock bottom free fall style
Never have I seen or heard of a porn producer crashing to the abysmal deaths of mediocrity as Giorgio Grandi... one can sense the crook lowering costs, increasing prices, faking porn with slow motion tip fucking and filling up the void with pee drink and piss play
Even for free, I would not watch this unwatchable erotic pee garbage or at best if there's a hot chick as Jollee Love, I's would watch it for free while fast forwarding to only DP/DVP/DAP/TP/cum swallowing period... the rest is sheer, genuine 100% GIO crap which I ripple delete big time to save vital cloud space

[Rafal1203]

People complainin about price is kind of hilarous since you can get all the scene for free on Google.

Pay if you wanna support GIO

Pirated if you wanna see the scene

But most of theses idiots have no braincells

the same kind that buy 50$ scene on OF girls site

[shark1]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

No offense, but the content you produce isn't even worth downloading for free. I've seen your old videos from 10+ years ago and found them 100x the quality of the work you currently produce.

Sorry buttercup, but nobody cares what a 14 post troll thinks. Try finding this material anywhere else and it’s much more expensive, mvids as an example. If you want attention so bad, go upstairs and talk to your parents or ask them for a higher allowance.

Prices are higher, sure, but I love piss gangbangs and the prices are still VERY reasonable!

[johnpsp30]

I bought yesterday 3 fridge magnets with the leaning tower of pisa, I spent 20 euro. The same day I ate a plate of pasta, in Pisa, in the center but not so close to the leaning tower in a normal italian "trattoria" and I spent 18 euro

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

No offense, but the content you produce isn't even worth downloading for free. I've seen your old videos from 10+ years ago and found them 100x the quality of the work you currently produce.

Sorry buttercup, but nobody cares what a 14 post troll thinks. Try finding this material anywhere else and it’s much more expensive, mvids as an example. If you want attention so bad, go upstairs and talk to your parents or ask them for a higher allowance.

Prices are higher, sure, but I love piss gangbangs and the prices are still VERY reasonable!

Who would have known that 1500 posts on this site meant you had a more valid opinion. If anything your opinion might be more valid since you actually pay for porn.

Either way posting on a porn site is nothing to brad about, and is actually very sad. I hope to never reach your level of despair.

[petermc934]

All that matters is that a piece of meat is strangled, slapped and pissed on. And the further psycho customers push, the further studios will stretch the limits...in prices and content.

Yep, that’s what I’m here for!

Also, I’m sorry but a little bit of face slapping and pissing is pretty harmless. It’s far less extreme than girls taking multiple huge dicks up their ass at the same time.

[bake0213]

I don't think it is yet the end of Legalporno or whatever it is called this week. I don't think all studios all phoning it in either.

However, I do think that for a number of studios we've entered into the "keep getting them checks" phase. They are out of ideas, no longer have a vision, and may even see a downward financial spiral for themselves. So they engage in whatever will get them an extra dollar in the short term even if it undercuts their brand reputation.

[pronossstat]

I think, price directly depends on the number of performers. Five years ago 6+on1 gangbang was a milestone for a model, now some of them have it every month. Maybe it would make sense to reduce performers number in gangbangs to make them great again and possibly to lower the prices.

This is directly false, basically you are saying that the price for a gangbang has multiply per 3 in 5 years.

Explanation: Yes, the prices to buy a gangbang scene cost almost 3x times more than before, my point is about the cost to produce a gangbang, i don't think the woman and the guys gains 3x their old salary to shoot one gangbang.

Early gangbangs were 4-5 on 1 without piss, now it's often 7-10 on 1 with piss. 1 for the performers number + 1 for the piss = x3 to the price. Approximately, of course, I do not insist, just thoughts.

[dap-addict]

However, I do think that for a number of studios we've entered into the "keep getting them checks" phase. They are out of ideas, no longer have a vision, and may even see a downward financial spiral for themselves. So they engage in whatever will get them an extra dollar in the short term even if it undercuts their brand reputation.

GIO seems to be the latest, but they dont die like N&F did already.
As I said it started about the time they had an almost production standstill, but now this is solved. Instead of much new material they made these girl compilations in addition to theme compilations. Now production issues are solved again, but if they learned they can sell more complilations they will do it. Every business would do!
Vision or lack of of course is a completely other question, indeed.

I think, price directly depends on the number of performers.

Early gangbangs were 4-5 on 1 without piss, now it's often 7-10 on 1 with piss. 1 for the performers number + 1 for the piss = x3 to the price. Approximately, of course, I do not insist, just thoughts.

That is wrong assumption because fees for additional studs and/or piss and thus production costs for studio isnt that big. Added piss is around 200$ per girl and 50$ per stud, added stud is a few hundred $ more per stud and 100$ for the girl being fucked by a bigger crew. Count the additional costs for an usual wet 7on1 and its 600-1000$ more, but based on DAP or even much cheaper DP only fee plus base costs for studio rent, lights, MU, camera etc its never even twice as expensive as the old gang bangs.

[dap-addict]

add: This said of course fees got higher compared to 2015. And so did all other base costs. Travel expenses got higher, especially for Russian girls flying in via Dubai or Istanbul.
But fees are actually getting under pressure again with many studios, I heard that even US girls working in Europe are asked to work for less than in 2022.

[Paizal]

Also, I’m sorry but a little bit of face slapping and pissing is pretty harmless.

I guess every cop loves those "a little bit is harmless after all" statements. And with "a little bit" it usually starts. Until the forum is flooded with begging, whether the girls could not be choked to unconsciousness....preferably the girl should look as young as possible and wear a school backpack. Two psychoses are not mutually exclusive.

[Giorgio Grandi]

add: This said of course fees got higher compared to 2015. And so did all other base costs. Travel expenses got higher, especially for Russian girls flying in via Dubai or Istanbul.
But fees are actually getting under pressure again with many studios, I heard that even US girls working in Europe are asked to work for less than in 2022.

This is not true. in fact the american girls are still profitable even with high payout: the reason is because american models has mostly american fans, this makes the difference.

The main issue is on euro models, payout grown too much in the "covid bubble" and now it is decreasing.
Next week I will shoot a scene using a different payout system (for the girl only): 0$ payout and 50% revenueshare on profit, lifetime
The scene will have a price in ticket well below the average of last months. Lets see how it will go.

[Stacy_Bloom]

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