What is pornography really today?

[netzerkaiser]

I just bought yesterday, the latest Emma Korti scene.

And this male actor in it, is choking her, this most beautiful of porcelain skinned ladies. He should be on his knees thanking his maker for chance to be with her.

I could say a lot more about the racial difference & frankly if it coloured my reaction, but its not the central point, this Nick guy & this Mr Anderson are dreadful too, they're of her own, & they are unwatchable for me too. But it seems a human condition throughout history for mankind to act with a degree of sadism they wouldn't show to their own, the Ottomans in Europe, the Nazi's in Russia (as opposed to the relative respect shown to British 8th army,), the Japs in Korea | China, the Rwanda obscenity, the unspoken ethnic sadism of the whole Eastern European experience with Communist ferocity 1917-1956 etc.

Some would say "how could you say that" etc, but the gut feeling borne from watching this beautiful & probably VULNERABLE lady getting choked by, like I say, a guy who should be on his hands & knees to be with her, the gut feeling that this is wrong.

Somewhere along the line, pornography has turned into a hate filled misogynistic desire to put what should be prized most highly to be lowest of low. Almost, a desecration of Beauty (here such a shame in particular, as camerawork is excellent).

Not a celebration of naughty sex. I watched a couple of Le Castels scenes yesterday from Assman & Matador with beautiful young Monica Sweetheart & despite the naughtiness there was innocence there, & a celebration of sexuality.

Much of whats goin' on now is just degrading the most beautiful of women.

I've had a couple of beers (beeen driving all night, thought I'd be relaxing now, not this), but sometimes the truth of exhaustion & a few beers to state your truth only comes out then.

In fairness, these guys Dylan Brown, Mike Chapman, Kessef & his gang have none of that. They're cool with me. So perhaps less a racism charge & more a misogynistic issue?

I have a beautiful teenage daughter and nieces etc, & I'm getting tired of the omnipresent insinuation in where porns gone that they're there to be defiled & abused, by practically anybody. Bring us forward your East Asian, your Middle-Eastern, your African porn starlets & at least I can put porns current perspective down to misogyny.. but right now to me, there seems so often a racially fueled misogyny.

In fairness, a lot of this seems to be coming from I see now, Erika Korti studio & featuring this Togolese character 'Romeo Fist'. I don't think it sends good vibes, & that studio's camerawork & lighting otherwise are par ecxellence.

[dap-addict]

Somewhere along the line, pornography has turned into a hate filled misogynistic & often racially fueled desire to put what should be prized most highly to be lowest of low & vice versa.

Not a celebration of naughty sex. I watched a couple of Le Castels scenes yesterday from Assman & Matador with beautiful young Monica Sweetheart & despite the naughtiness there was innocence there, & a celebration of sexuality.

Much of whats goin' on now is just degrading the most beautiful of women.

I recently spoke with a cam girl outside her job in private and she told me most of her clients want to degrade her. Made me very sad and upset!

Porn however most times a play with degradation rather than it really.
But some users might be lead into wrong conclusions.
How to avoid that? - Only way I see is eduction in forums etc.

[netzerkaiser]

Somewhere along the line, pornography has turned into a hate filled misogynistic & often racially fueled desire to put what should be prized most highly to be lowest of low & vice versa.

Not a celebration of naughty sex. I watched a couple of Le Castels scenes yesterday from Assman & Matador with beautiful young Monica Sweetheart & despite the naughtiness there was innocence there, & a celebration of sexuality.

Much of whats goin' on now is just degrading the most beautiful of women.

I recently spoke with a cam girl outside her job in private and she told me most of her clients want to degrade her. Made me very sad and upset!

Porn however most times a play with degradation rather than it really.
But some users might be lead into wrong conclusions.
How to avoid that? - Only way I see is eduction in forums etc.

Well you & I are both doing that now.

Great respect for you Brother, as always.

[dap-addict]

To illustrate problem of seemingly degrading porn of today I put a simple 1on1 anal intro shot in Colombia with teen Maid T. end of 2021 by local analgonzo studio:
This scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/65664

Now this still has a slight JYL vibe, also without kuckmal.
But is this degrading?


In 1990ties many said b/g anal porn was degrading.
Stud grabs girls throat - degrading?
Maid T. position - degrading?
Porn name with maid - degrading?


How do you feel with this one, netzer?

[netzerkaiser]

To illustrate problem of seemingly degrading porn of today I put a simple 1on1 anal intro shot in Colombia with teen Maid T. end of 2021 by local analgonzo studio:
This scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/65664

Now this still has a slight JYL vibe, also without kuckmal.
But is this degrading?


In 1990ties many said b/g anal porn was degrading.
Stud grabs girls throat - degrading?
Maid T. position - degrading?
Porn name with maid - degrading?


How do you feel with this one, netzer?

You can't see the guy & you can't hear him, so you don't see his facial expressions or hear his tone of voice or what he's saying, if he's calling her names etc in a mean way.

[paobroncix01]

The so called 'man handling' , choking, twisting an arm on her back, putting a foot on her head etc. They can really leave it away. I do not see the attraction of it. I rather see a smile on the girls face during penetration, showing that she is enjoying it too.
Of course things can get rough a bit, pushing a girl to her limits during the sex, making it a bit difficult for her, that is ok when its for a short while. But that is something totally different as that 'mand handling' stuff.

[davebowman]

Some would say "how could you say that" etc, but the gut feeling borne from watching this beautiful & probably VULNERABLE lady getting choked by, like I say, a guy who should be on his hands & knees to be with her, the gut feeling that this is wrong.

To be honest, it sounds like you put women on pedestals a little too much, and I would advise against it. They are not fragile little dolls, who need protecting, or goddesses that we should be down on our knees subserviant to, though I understand as a male where that biological protective feeling comes from, and probably had similar views when I was younger (and before I got currupted by watching Max Hardcore scenes ). Now, as long as it's all consensual, and no one is getting actually physically harmed, I get off on the mild degredation. Yes, in reality a lot of these models are waaaaay out of our leage, so to see them used almost casually as disposable fuck dolls is a perverse turn on. And there are plenty of models (eg Alexxa Vice) who seem to get off on it, though I guess they just could be really good actresses.

That said, I don't need every scene to be degrading to the woman, and there are plenty of scenes (and other websites), where this is not the norm.

[netzerkaiser]

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/82810

4on1 first interracial gangbang with Kami Yammy ATM ATP BBC Gapes Humiliation Face fucking Cum in Mouth EKS060

Shes crying her eyes out half through. Probably just trying to put food on the table.

I rest my case. This is wrong.

[dap-addict]

You can't see the guy & you can't hear him, so you don't see his facial expressions or hear his tone of voice or what he's saying, if he's calling her names etc in a mean way.

Studs are reduced to their tool and rarely shown in porn as you know yourself. This stud performs without injection, which has become pretty rare in Prague.

He is completely silent during the fucking, Maid T. moans and makes it seem as if she liked it, could be entirely acted out ofc.
Rather not though based on my 30+ years porn viewing experience.

Still its a staged sex scene ofc.
Intersting is also this bit when at the end of her first side saddle anal session Maid T. is asking for a break with this sign. 2nd side saddle anal take fellows after a cut on that video tape, thus you can see that crew listened to her.

Now what you say, netzer?

[netzerkaiser]

You can't see the guy & you can't hear him, so you don't see his facial expressions or hear his tone of voice or what he's saying, if he's calling her names etc in a mean way.

Studs are reduced to their tool and rarely shown in porn as you know yourself. This stud performs without injection, which has become pretty rare in Prague.

He is completely silent during the fucking, Maid T. moans and makes it seem as if she liked it, could be entirely acted out ofc.
Rather not though based on my 30+ years porn viewing experience.

Still its a staged sex scene ofc.
Intersting is also this bit when at the end of her first side saddle anal session Maid T. is asking for a break with this sign. 2nd side saddle anal take fellows after a cut on that video tape, thus you can see that crew listened to her.

Now what you say, netzer?

I have nothing to say on your clip, it doesn't interest me.

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/82810

4on1 first interracial gangbang with Kami Yammy ATM ATP BBC Gapes Humiliation Face fucking Cum in Mouth EKS060

Shes crying her eyes out half through. Probably just trying to put food on the table.

I rest my case. This is wrong.

Can you deny this lady is in enormous distress from halfway through this scene at the abuse shes getting from these 'guys', who still manage to show her no sympathy or empathy, just continue to verbally & physically abuse her?

Its bordering on criminal.

[dap-addict]

netzer, I will have a look into that EK film, but I remind you that in OP you opened a general discussion about todays porn, not about 1 certain scene.

[dap-addict]

it sounds like you put women on pedestals a little too much, and I would advise against it. They are not fragile little dolls, who need protecting, or goddesses that we should be down on our knees subserviant to, though I understand as a male where that biological protective feeling comes from

I think today's degrading porn fantasies are rooted in much stronger social, economical and political position of women compared to 50y ago when porn biz was born.

Now discussing OP questions what we always have to distinguish is:
- user needs, fantasies and emotional state
- performers job as professional actors/actresses
- porn fantasy depicted in adult entertainment film

[dap-addict]

I rest my case. This is wrong.

I guess we are talking mainly about this screencap and 1-2 later in rcdp:

Kami Yammy @ EKS060

First of all, I havnt bought this scene. There is no content I'm interested in. This said Kami is a cute girl.

Did it occur to you her crying might be acted?
Doesnt look like it at first sight for me, but later shot footage suggests it might be a Kami show actually made to fulfill scene title.

Now we have to distinguish a few layers here:
1. User might strive for lighter old school DP porn of Czech Golden Age.
Is user caught by girls cuteness? Has he paternalistic instincts?
2. Girl can always use save word STOP IT.
Did she do it at that point and Erika Korti didnt cut that footage out?
3. Scene title plays on degradation.
Is there something degrading happening?

[dap-addict]

On a margin: I've talked many hours last year with EKS staff members about their talent scouting and porn productions. Also know some of their 2020/21 girls. This is my background, but I am trying not to use it here and behave like a normal user presented with what he sees. This said we still have to be aware these films are staged!

[paobroncix01]

Yes indeed these scenes are staged, it is all part of the show for this video. Also keep in mind that the director is a woman, this might give a more safe feeling

[Iddaoeeok]

The racial element is completely irrelevant and it's disappointing you even bring it up, netzer. I also have no idea what you're rambling on about with regards to Nazis and Russians or Japanese/Koreans. The only people who think there's any difference between the Japanese and the Koreans are far right nationalists in Japan, and, frankly, I thought you were in favour of ethnic nationalism anyway? You can't have your cake and eat it, believing in that stuff has direct consequences like all the bad stuff you listed.

I didn't even need to look at the scene you bought to know it's Russian. I love the Russian girls but I've never liked Russian porn, it's always seemed to me to be cheap looking and full of boorish ugly men who constantly feel they have to show how macho and domineering they are. Sineplex was an exception but guys like Mr Anderson make my skin crawl. It's no wonder so many Russian girls do a few scenes and then disappear. Having said all that, maybe you just need to take a break from porn or take a break from this site?

[Ultra-Gape]

I think there are quite a few very different things being discussed above.

Firstly, scenes showing a woman crying in apparent distress are not remotely appealing to me and honestly it does somewhat disturb me that some are apparently turned on by this. This is true whether the distress is real (I really hope not!) or simulated.

Scenes with a guy or guys acting in a dominant way whilst one or more women are playing a submissive role are a totally different thing though. In real life different women will enjoy this to different degrees but it can definitely enhance sexual pleasure for some. Absolutely key is that it is consensual on the woman's part and that the focus is ultimately on her pleasure as well as the guy's, and with the clear understanding that if the woman wants whatever is happening to stop, it stops immediately. One aspect of dominance can be a guy placing his hand around a woman's throat as a way of holding her in a particular position, which is not the same as choking where the grip is tight enough to (temporarily!) restrict breathing. Most commonly what we'll see here is the former, and often with the hand more symbolically placed rather than actually with any real force. Do I think actual choking can enhance sexual enjoyment for some? Yes, but I don't think this will be particularly common. I am though not totally averse to seeing it in porn if it appears the woman is still getting turned on by the situation.

The concept of women being 'degraded' was also raised, which in many ways it's used I often find a little odd. Is it 'degrading' for an intelligent and capable man if a woman leads him to lust after her, to spend time exploring and pleasing her pussy with his tongue, and rhythmically rub his cock inside her pussy or ass? To me this is just a reflection of natural and healthy human behaviour and not something to somehow be viewed in a derogatory fashion. Similarly I don't view anything that a woman may do as part of a mutually pleasurable sexual relationship as 'degrading'. So long as porn reflects what some consenting adults will choose to do in their private lives I don't view it as 'degrading' to any involved either. I would include for example piss-play in this category, whether a man peeing on a woman or a woman on a man. What I don't though ever like to see in porn is behaviour that flat out looks like abuse to a woman that she is having to endure, and where this is viewed as 'degradation' that some will celebrate I feel decidedly uncomfortable.

Finally I'm going to bring this back round to an aspect I think @netzerkaiser will be in agreement with. Whilst I do absolutely enjoy porn where men adopt a dominant role, I like to see this in the context of them very much appreciating the women they're lucking enough to be with and focusing on their pleasure too. A scene that starts with a guy appreciatively caressing a woman's body, kissing her, and complimenting her if language skills allow is WAY hotter than an apparently disinterested guy just roughly shoving her onto a bed and proceeding to fuck her without either of them seemingly enjoying themselves.

[Sweep11]

Very interesting discussions.

I fully agree with pretty much everything you said Ultra.
Porn is first and foremost fantasy and mental stimulation.
The juxtaposition of beauty and nastiness.
The primeval instinct in us all to procreate. To fuck. Men and women both.
Degradation is not an absolute. It’s a question of degrees and taste.
Even the most vanilla 1 on 1 is viewed as degrading to some.
Having hardcore sex for anyone to see in close up?
For your friends, family, old classmates, teachers, anyone to see you getting fucked?
That is of course part of the turn on.
Now, where the line is crossed for me is not so much in the acts, words, holds or slaps.
It’s when there is an imbalance between the actors limits and preferences.
Super rough is fine if consensual and both parties are into it and were expecting it.
But not if it continues when unwanted. Or when it wasn’t explained upfront.

It’s hard for us to judge any scene without this information.
Personally I take no joy from scenes like the Kami one. I saw part of the trailer and shut it down.
But so long as she had the power to stop it at the time or even veto the scene afterwards, I can accept it.
(Wonder how likely it is AFTER) the scene is done though?)

Like beauty, degradation is in the eye of the beholder.

[visigoth2020260]

it is not 100 % accurate but it gives us an idea.
oh, the good old days.
we are to blame, we make them do all those horrible things.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I rest my case. This is wrong.

I guess we are talking mainly about this screencap and 1-2 later in rcdp:

522.jpg

First of all, I havnt bought this scene. There is no content I'm interested in. This said Kami is a cute girl.

Did it occur to you her crying might be acted?
Doesnt look like it at first sight for me, but later shot footage suggests it might be a Kami show actually made to fulfill scene title.

Now we have to distinguish a few layers here:
1. User might strive for lighter old school DP porn of Czech Golden Age.
Is user caught by girls cuteness? Has he paternalistic instincts?
2. Girl can always use save word STOP IT.
Did she do it at that point and Erika Korti didnt cut that footage out?
3. Scene title plays on degradation.
Is there something degrading happening?

This is great acting by Kami

[netzerkaiser]

Anyone who thinks she's acting needs to get her on a plane to Hollywood tomorrow.

Of course shes not acting.

[netzerkaiser]

I rest my case. This is wrong.

I guess we are talking mainly about this screencap and 1-2 later in rcdp:

522.jpg

First of all, I havnt bought this scene. There is no content I'm interested in. This said Kami is a cute girl.

Did it occur to you her crying might be acted?
Doesnt look like it at first sight for me, but later shot footage suggests it might be a Kami show actually made to fulfill scene title.

Now we have to distinguish a few layers here:
1. User might strive for lighter old school DP porn of Czech Golden Age.
Is user caught by girls cuteness? Has he paternalistic instincts?
2. Girl can always use save word STOP IT.
Did she do it at that point and Erika Korti didnt cut that footage out?
3. Scene title plays on degradation.
Is there something degrading happening?

This is great acting by Kami

Thank you xxxViperxxx.

[netzerkaiser]

@DAPAddict: Could she have cried 'Stop'? They probably would've cut filming, carried on as they were & then put her out on the street, with if anything, a portion of her fee.

Her anguish kicks in around 29th minute, if you or anyone wants to challenge me here, watch the whole scene, not the fucking advert.

I actually can't watch it... I can just delve in at stops here & there & realise its real. I'm not a fucking torture sadist.

But the fact these "men" can keep on going utterly appalls me. The fact that that camera can keep on rolling appalls me.

Of course at the end she regains some semblance of composure when she knows the ordeal is over, who wouldn't?

Watch it & just be honest with what you witness, & ask yourself, "is this right?"

"Men"? I piss on them.

[netzerkaiser]

I think there are quite a few very different things being discussed above.

Firstly, scenes showing a woman crying in apparent distress are not remotely appealing to me and honestly it does somewhat disturb me that some are apparently turned on by this. This is true whether the distress is real (I really hope not!) or simulated.

Scenes with a guy or guys acting in a dominant way whilst one or more women are playing a submissive role are a totally different thing though. In real life different women will enjoy this to different degrees but it can definitely enhance sexual pleasure for some. Absolutely key is that it is consensual on the woman's part and that the focus is ultimately on her pleasure as well as the guy's, and with the clear understanding that if the woman wants whatever is happening to stop, it stops immediately. One aspect of dominance can be a guy placing his hand around a woman's throat as a way of holding her in a particular position, which is not the same as choking where the grip is tight enough to (temporarily!) restrict breathing. Most commonly what we'll see here is the former, and often with the hand more symbolically placed rather than actually with any real force. Do I think actual choking can enhance sexual enjoyment for some? Yes, but I don't think this will be particularly common. I am though not totally averse to seeing it in porn if it appears the woman is still getting turned on by the situation.

The concept of women being 'degraded' was also raised, which in many ways it's used I often find a little odd. Is it 'degrading' for an intelligent and capable man if a woman leads him to lust after her, to spend time exploring and pleasing her pussy with his tongue, and rhythmically rub his cock inside her pussy or ass? To me this is just a reflection of natural and healthy human behaviour and not something to somehow be viewed in a derogatory fashion. Similarly I don't view anything that a woman may do as part of a mutually pleasurable sexual relationship as 'degrading'. So long as porn reflects what some consenting adults will choose to do in their private lives I don't view it as 'degrading' to any involved either. I would include for example piss-play in this category, whether a man peeing on a woman or a woman on a man. What I don't though ever like to see in porn is behaviour that flat out looks like abuse to a woman that she is having to endure, and where this is viewed as 'degradation' that some will celebrate I feel decidedly uncomfortable.

Finally I'm going to bring this back round to an aspect I think @netzerkaiser will be in agreement with. Whilst I do absolutely enjoy porn where men adopt a dominant role, I like to see this in the context of them very much appreciating the women they're lucking enough to be with and focusing on their pleasure too. A scene that starts with a guy appreciatively caressing a woman's body, kissing her, and complimenting her if language skills allow is WAY hotter than an apparently disinterested guy just roughly shoving her onto a bed and proceeding to fuck her without either of them seemingly enjoying themselves.

Thanks Ultra. Please do invest the 8 euros or whatever, watch the movie, close this case down & hopefully send a message to this obscene, manipulative filming style which insults us all & call STOP for sake of any fucking self-respect or dignity us porn watchers can ever respectably claim.

I wish I could just give her a big hug.

For the others.. a fucking 9 month jail sentence in a homosexual jail, no soap.

[dap-addict]

@DAPAddict: Could she have cried 'Stop'? They probably would've cut filming, carried on as they were & then put her out on the street, with if anything, a portion of her fee.

WTF are you thinking of Erika Korti, bro?
Sounds like an anti-porner rant!
Every girl has a safe word during professional porn shootings and if she needs a break she gets it. Fee isn't influenced by stop calls, fee is sex act and fetish based and only if a girl doenst perform what she's booked for she gets $$$ deducted.

Her anguish kicks in around 29th minute, if you or anyone wants to challenge me here, watch the whole scene, not the fucking advert.

I actually can't watch it... I can just delve in at stops here & there & realise its real. I'm not a fucking torture sadist.
(...)
Watch it & just be honest with what you witness, & ask yourself, "is this right?"

Here I agree.
My EKS060 post is based on trailer and screenshots only, since I wont buy a DP only scene with a girl crying of acting if she was crying. Such porn concepts I dont support with my money.

Last but not least about men working on porn sets: They usually are injected to keep wood whatever happens.
Works only if they are genuinely hot for the girl or genuinely want to fuck ofc.

[netzerkaiser]

@DAPAddict: Could she have cried 'Stop'? They probably would've cut filming, carried on as they were & then put her out on the street, with if anything, a portion of her fee.

WTF are you thinking of Erika Korti, bro?
Sounds like an anti-porner rant!
Every girl has a safe word during professional porn shootings and if she needs a break she gets it. Fee isn't influenced by stop calls, fee is sex act and fetish based and only if a girl doenst perform what she's booked for she gets $$$ deducted.

Her anguish kicks in around 29th minute, if you or anyone wants to challenge me here, watch the whole scene, not the fucking advert.

I actually can't watch it... I can just delve in at stops here & there & realise its real. I'm not a fucking torture sadist.
(...)
Watch it & just be honest with what you witness, & ask yourself, "is this right?"

Here I agree.
My EKS060 post is based on trailer and screenshots only, since I wont buy a DP only scene with a girl crying of acting if she was crying. Such porn concepts I dont support with my money.

Last but not least about men working on porn sets: They usually are injected to keep wood whatever happens.
Works only if they are genuinely hot for the girl or genuinely want to fuck ofc.

Awe c'mon DAPAddict.

I always liked you. I think I always will. You've a good heart.

But you're dodging the issue. Russia is a FUCKING DISASTER right now. You SERIOUSLY THINK these so-called consensual rules apply? This movie reminds me of this horror show with Romana, boundgangbangs... where she was paid to be RAPED... I can say that word because it doesn't affect your site... & she just broke down afterwards... Steve Holmes to his eternal shame participated, Lili Lamour was another victim of this paid for rape... it was rape... sweet talking James Dean & some other bitch of his clan arranged interviews etc. So if this horrorshow can happen in USA 10 years ago, it can't happen in war torn Russia right now?

Thats just the reality. Like I said WATCH 28 mins onwards. You're LP connected, probably you can do it on the cheap.

Then acknowledge my point. No shame in it, we're all wrong sometimes. Me too, but not here. And send these goons back to fucking Tongo, with 10 months in homosexual prison (no soap) & let the racial hurt floodgates open from some users here. "Hang NetzerKaiser", never mind that poor girll, whos probably been scarred for life emotionally, to put food on table for winter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0a0QwWuTEA

[Ultra-Gape]

Thanks Ultra. Please do invest the 8 euros or whatever, watch the movie, close this case down & hopefully send a message to this obscene, manipulative filming style which insults us all & call STOP for sake of any fucking self-respect or dignity us porn watchers can ever respectably claim.

Sorry but spending credits on the Kami Yammy scene you're particularly focusing on is the absolute last thing I'll do. The more people who buy scenes like this the more producers will be encouraged to make and sell them.

As I hope was clear from the start of my previous post, I was not in any way defending or supporting scenes where girls are crying in apparent distress (real or simulated) but the post you began this thread with was much broader in scope and so I shared some wider thoughts of my own.

One other thing I'll add is that I never buy a scene without watching the trailer, which I'm guessing you must have done in the case of EKS060. I bet you've already decided to start doing the same? The potential downside of watching a trailer is that it may slightly spoil some good surprises/sequences in the scene so what I generally do is buy a scene on the basis of the trailer but then not actually watch it until some time later when I'll have forgotten what I saw in the trailer. I also have lots of scenes on my Wishlist that I've put there on the basis of the trailer and possibly forum comments, which I may choose to buy and then watch but without watching the trailer again first. I hope that makes sense.

[netzerkaiser]

Thanks Ultra. Please do invest the 8 euros or whatever, watch the movie, close this case down & hopefully send a message to this obscene, manipulative filming style which insults us all & call STOP for sake of any fucking self-respect or dignity us porn watchers can ever respectably claim.

Sorry but spending credits on the Kami Yammy scene you're particularly focusing on is the absolute last thing I'll do. The more people who buy scenes like this the more producers will be encouraged to make and sell them.

As I hope was clear from the start of my previous post, I was not in any way defending or supporting scenes where girls are crying in apparent distress (real or simulated) but the post you began this thread with was much broader in scope and so I shared some wider thoughts of my own.

One other thing I'll add is that I never buy a scene without watching the trailer, which I'm guessing you must have done in the case of EKS060. I bet you've already decided to start doing the same? The potential downside of watching a trailer is that it may slightly spoil some good surprises/sequences in the scene so what I generally do is buy a scene on the basis of the trailer but then not actually watch it until some time later when I'll have forgotten what I saw in the trailer. I also have lots of scenes on my Wishlist that I've put there on the basis of the trailer and possibly forum comments, which I may choose to buy and then watch but without watching the trailer again first. I hope that makes sense.

No I actually followed in on this scene because I didn't like the way he was treating Emma Korti TBH.

It TOTALLY validated my sense of smell.

I've had about 5 hours sleep in past 48 hours, & I'm up again in another 6 hours, hopefully refreshed. Such is life. But 3 things:

1 Thank you for sincere correspondence & reflection

2 I'm glad I created a thread of interest in troubled times for forum

3 I hope I've done something to stop this abuse of a vulnerable insecure young woman & others.

Thanks

[dap-addict]

Awe c'mon DAPAddict.

I always liked you. I think I always will. You've a good heart.

But you're dodging the issue. Russia is a FUCKING DISASTER right now. You SERIOUSLY THINK these so-called consensual rules apply? This movie reminds me of this horror show with Romana, boundgangbangs... where she was paid to be RAPED...

bro, I think you are over-reacting a but due to lack of sleep and general stress.
We shouldn't fall into the trap of association current political developments in Russia with porn shot there on a professional level. And in addition many weeks ago like this EKS060 scene.

Consensual rules apply with all entertainment production adult or not.
Of course I am aware girls maybe compelled to certain choices by material hardship, lack of money, addictions etc. That may result in a thin line in any country, not only Russia. The more important is to have the safe words rule - as well as asking a girl again before a certain sex act whether it was ok to try and go for it. You actually often see that in Russian porn footage.

Now concerning EKS060 I dont know whether it happened, anal and DP are just such usual basic porn sex acts they might not have asked the girl again.

Anyway, linking that Togo man with an US porn rape case is just really mean! Romano Fist does actually also a lot of different atmosphere and some tender fucking in other films. I rather suspect some racial bias on your side here.

This said again: I wont buy any porn scene with a girl crying in trailer, be it real or just acted. Its not the content I support!

And last but not least: AVLP doenst give cheap accesses to anybody, also actors and actresses have to buy their own scenes if they want to watch them in final cut.

[Ultra-Gape]

And last but not least: AVLP doenst give cheap accesses to anybody, also actors and actresses have to buy their own scenes if they want to watch them in final cut.

Naively I'd guess the models would get a copy direct from the studio though? It would seem incredibly tight if not to me!

[Jocke]

I find it strange that we can filter out trans/gay/piss/whatever but not violence/manhandling etc.
If there was this opportunity I would definitely ensure that I didn't have to be reminded of the violent nature of many men.

[Ultra-Gape]

I find it strange that we can filter out trans/gay/piss/whatever but not violence/manhandling etc.
If there was this opportunity I would definitely ensure that I didn't have to be reminded of the violent nature of many men.

Not quite the same I know, but perhaps you could set the tags on your Custom store page to exclude various things you'd like to avoid?

[chemonro15]

what are you fucken idiots even arguing over??? seriously yall need to get a fucking life. let the girls enjoy what they want to enjoy and stop acting like you know everything

[head-gone240]

After considering the essence of this discussion:


I agree with some of the sentiments of the original post.





There are so many reasons why things can go wrong while filming these scenes, primarily because everyone on a porn set has to do what is in their best interests, and this will inevitably present multiple complex issues. This is why I only watch the more established studios because there is a level of responsibility and professionalism that makes what they do possible over many years.


Emma's studio is sort of new, so there might be inexperience on their part regarding how best to handle certain situations.

For me, there are certain acts that I do not enjoy viewing at all:

Hard face-slapping or head-twisting 
Fingers clamping girls' mouths 
Foot pressing on the head or upper body 
Yanking body parts roughly 
Guys have a demeanor of obnoxious masculinity, are rude, act like they are better than the girl, and want to be the scene's focal point.

Adult entertainment should be about celebrating the spirit of the world's best nymphs in a fun, sensual, and sexy way, with just enough challenges to keep the scenes interesting. I know most women enter porn only for the money and nothing else, but they might not get very far with that mentality. Many potential stars quickly discover that hardcore sex is not for every girl with a cute face, so anyone who enters the industry for the wrong reasons will most likely dislike many aspects of that field of work.

[netzerkaiser]

Thanks Ultra. Please do invest the 8 euros or whatever, watch the movie, close this case down & hopefully send a message to this obscene, manipulative filming style which insults us all & call STOP for sake of any fucking self-respect or dignity us porn watchers can ever respectably claim.

Sorry but spending credits on the Kami Yammy scene you're particularly focusing on is the absolute last thing I'll do. The more people who buy scenes like this the more producers will be encouraged to make and sell them.

As I hope was clear from the start of my previous post, I was not in any way defending or supporting scenes where girls are crying in apparent distress (real or simulated) but the post you began this thread with was much broader in scope and so I shared some wider thoughts of my own.

One other thing I'll add is that I never buy a scene without watching the trailer, which I'm guessing you must have done in the case of EKS060. I bet you've already decided to start doing the same? The potential downside of watching a trailer is that it may slightly spoil some good surprises/sequences in the scene so what I generally do is buy a scene on the basis of the trailer but then not actually watch it until some time later when I'll have forgotten what I saw in the trailer. I also have lots of scenes on my Wishlist that I've put there on the basis of the trailer and possibly forum comments, which I may choose to buy and then watch but without watching the trailer again first. I hope that makes sense.

It makes perfect sense. In fairness, & its my fault because I'm so darned old fashioned in my views on life & morals (though the greatest morals of course are Timeless & Universal) I haven't been able to watch a trailer for free since early 2021 when Adobe flash got discontinued. I'm still a Windows XP man you see, at home, anyway. In your words: "I hope that makes sense" too. So nothing prepared me for the nastiness.

[Ultra-Gape]

what are you fucken idiots even arguing over??? seriously yall need to get a fucking life. let the girls enjoy what they want to enjoy and stop acting like you know everything

If a discussion doesn't interest you then just ignore it.

For myself you'll note I very much covered the complex nature of what can absolutely be enjoyed above. However, I can't personally extend this to scenes where girls are crying in apparent distress, where at best they are acting a role.

[netzerkaiser]

After considering the essence of this discussion:


I agree with some of the sentiments of the original post.





There are so many reasons why things can go wrong while filming these scenes, primarily because everyone on a porn set has to do what is in their best interests, and this will inevitably present multiple complex issues. This is why I only watch the more established studios because there is a level of responsibility and professionalism that makes what they do possible over many years.


Emma's studio is sort of new, so there might be inexperience on their part regarding how best to handle certain situations.

For me, there are certain acts that I do not enjoy viewing at all:

Hard face-slapping or head-twisting 
Fingers clamping girls' mouths 
Foot pressing on the head or upper body 
Yanking body parts roughly 
Guys have a demeanor of obnoxious masculinity, are rude, act like they are better than the girl, and want to be the scene's focal point.

Adult entertainment should be about celebrating the spirit of the world's best nymphs in a fun, sensual, and sexy way, with just enough challenges to keep the scenes interesting. I know most women enter porn only for the money and nothing else, but they might not get very far with that mentality. Many potential stars quickly discover that hardcore sex is not for every girl with a cute face, so anyone who enters the industry for the wrong reasons will most likely dislike many aspects of that field of work.

Thank you.

[Rafal1203]

In fairness, a lot of this seems to be coming from I see now, Erika Korti studio & featuring this Togolese character 'Romeo Fist'. I don't think it sends good vibes, & that studio's camerawork & lighting otherwise are par ecxellence.

If it makes you feel any better think about the size of his (BBC) pretty small lol..

Almost every studio will call a black dick BBC they forgot what is the meaning of the first B

but the rest i disagree I like it very rough and even more when the girl dont like it sadly almost all of them enjoy the fuck out of it and asking for more

[dap-addict]

I haven't been able to watch a trailer for free since early 2021 when Adobe flash got discontinued. I'm still a Windows XP man you see, at home, anyway. In your words: "I hope that makes sense" too. So nothing prepared me for the nastiness.

This explains a lot about your OP post. Good to know!

[Ultra-Gape]

It makes perfect sense. In fairness, & its my fault because I'm so darned old fashioned in my views on life & morals (though the greatest morals of course are Timeless & Universal) I haven't been able to watch a trailer for free since early 2021 when Adobe flash got discontinued. I'm still a Windows XP man you see, at home, anyway. In your words: "I hope that makes sense" too. So nothing prepared me for the nastiness.

Ah! That makes a bit more sense than one of your more sleep-deprived posts, where I thought you were saying you had watched the trailer but still bought the scene as you wanted to be more sure about its content. If I were you I'd be treating yourself to a newer computer for general IT security, but if you really want to stick with what you've got I'd explore whether you're able to watch or download scene trailers via xvideos.com. In case you aren't aware, note xvideos is owned by the same parent company as Pornbox/Analvids so I wouldn't view these trailers as some sort of illegitimate content, and most if not all scene trailers are posted there. Here's the trailer for today's Veronic Leal pool party scene for example:

https://www.xvideos.com/video72490378/v ... party_orgy