Cold and bored director-cameramen in LP porn factory

[dap-addict]

First of all: Output of LP studios has never been as steady, reliable and demanding in terms of sex acts as now.
(If we forget the recent Jan/Feb gonzo delivery problem for almost 20 days of course)
Also: I have lobbied for 2 DAP scenes and minimum 3 genuin LP scenes per day and I almost got it finally, thus I am really happy and also able to buy more LP scenes than 4 years ago.
That is a great development!

This said during last 1-2 years I see a certain kind of assembly line porn production.
Other posters have criticized this a lot more. I have hold back and I still see some variety - and a wide range of still attractive girls of different ages and experience working for LP.
Still, what I see in my much adored gonzo BTS is a cold, almost bored, mentally detached, very professional director shooting sex acts like it was just a product advertisement.
Same in the very rare GIO support director BTS from end 2018. There even a colder atmosphere, also sometimes criticized by the girls asking to get shot by Giorgio Grandi instead.
Also same in a way on IV, where director is also actor and also conveyed this cold-ness on to that sofa as well.


Now of course shooting porn is just a job and a porn set isn't really the right place for genuin lust, but what I see is even a lack of try to make it look lustful, to play fine, to be innovative, convey more than an assembly line set of sex positions.

Its only some more joyful and funny actors like Mike Chapman, Neeo or Ricky saving the last sparks of joy and warmth. On the other hand you have bored superstud Chris Diamond autistic basically and chatting only with director and only in spanish so that girls for sure dont understand it.

I start to do miss the old days of GIO and SOS when you still had pornografers with a vision and own private lust behind camera!
You really felt there was a foot fetishist behind camera, there was an anal porn visionary, a gape hunter, a future inventor of new dildoes to get yet better preparation results!
Output was less perfect for sure, but watching those cut and edited scenes you could still feel the passion put into them while shooting them.

Directors better dont be family men joking around and smiling only with their son back home in warm places, but singles hunting for the last erotic kick and new girls conquered.
Or at least family men still remembering their single days and cultivating that feeling at least at their job!

Would be interesting if Luis would care to answer.
Would be really nic for me (and not only!) if Giorgio Grandi went back to direct every 7th of his GIO videos!

[avanfurwet]

I think technical excellence comes from a cool, objective professional approach to a repeated process.
So lighting, colour balance, sound, cinematography, all should follow tried and trusted formulae to deliver a reliable product.
I think Giorgio and Gonzo studios both have technically excellent products and make the girls look good. I hope we don't lose that.

Directors can still be creative with the content which is being filmed. If that fails, it's just a production line and directors on autopilot are little better than robot cams.

I really hope Giorgio will find time in 2020 to direct more storylines, once his other business projects are up and running without needing so much of his time.

And I hope the new directors coming through can bring more of their own unique styles and personalities to their scenes as they become more confident and proficient.

Possibly bringing in more "human interest" BTS shot by assistants on set could do more to breathe some life into the "production line" scenes. Could also edit back in some bloopers and out-takes at the end of scenes to show performers' human side. I think Wotan posted some good ideas for BTS footage.

[Wotan29]

Possibly bringing in more "human interest" BTS shot by assistants on set could do more to breathe some life into the "production line" scenes. Could also edit back in some bloopers and out-takes at the end of scenes to show performers' human side. I think Wotan posted some good ideas for BTS footage.

Thanks for mentioning me. Yeah, there are a lot of threads around demanding cool BTS stuff again (some new threads, some old ones). I no longer remember where I made comments and suggestions... Maybe it´s time to take a look again at a poll I started in July 2018 (!):

viewtopic.php?f=101&t=18808&p=261306&hilit=return+of+bts#p261306

And yes, if directors and cameramen are not able to shoot some BTS (sic!), why not delivering the stuff we want by assistans and staff members. I remember a BTS, where a girl (I guess, it was Monika Wild, but not sure) got a warmup fuck and gave a warmup blowjob while smoking a cigarette on a sofa outside the studio ... and a female staff member (maybe make-up artist or whatever) was sitting right next on the sofa, watching the action and filming it with her smartphone. She even got a little horny... That´s the kind of personal, emotional stuff instead of robotic fucking I´d like to see more.

[Wotan29]

During last 1-2 years I see a certain kind of assembly line porn production. Other posters have criticized this a lot more. I have hold back and I still see some variety - and a wide range of still attractive girls of different ages and experience working for LP.

What I see in my much adored gonzo BTS is a cold, almost bored, mentally detached, very professional director shooting sex acts like it was just a product advertisement. Same in the very rare GIO support director BTS from end 2018. There even a colder atmosphere, also sometimes criticized by the girls asking to get shot by Giorgio Grandi instead. Also same in a way on IV, where director is also actor and also conveyed this coldness on to that sofa as well.

Now of course shooting porn is just a job and a porn set isn't really the right place for genuine lust, but what I see is even a lack of try to make it look lustful, to play fine, to be innovative, convey more than an assembly line set of sex positions.

First of all:
I agree with dap-addict. In fact, I´m even more critical.

Red part:
All alarm bells should ring at LP when LP's biggest hardcore fan finally discovers, that something goes wrong with LP. dap-addict is a veteran porn watcher and apart from his manic dap-addiction I appreciate some of his input and not seldom I agree with him. But I´m a little bit surprised how long it took him to realize that LP mostly is assembly line production. "Porn fabric" is a good description. Maybe it´s due to the fact, that he - as he stated himself - only watches LP. So he doesn´t know, what´s happening "outside LP"? That there actually exist studios, directors and performers, who want to create outstanding porn in a more creative way? It seems to be like that, although he absolutely - as I know for example from the thread "Hottest moments in porn" - as an experienced porn consumer appreciates many scenes from the "good old porn days" with e.g. Kelly Wells, Jewel de Nyle, Annette Schwarz etc. and scenes with more variety, more locations and more styles in shooting. But at some time he stopped watching porn outside LP.

Anyway... Just take a random look at the Pornbox over the last months:

What you see is what you get... You don't need to have a Nobel Prize to realize, that it all looks the same somehow. All three main LP studios (Giorgio, Gonzo, IV) shoot with a focus on white in a white room with a white sofa. I´m almost snow blind right now... And each studio has its own formula for scenes, repeating it again and again. Just a little detail: I know there are more important things for a good porn scene than set design ... but since years in Giorgio´s studio there are the same pictures on the wall, the same plant on the floor, the same paravents to hide doors and since a year or so (once used for "The Lottery" series I believe) there is this cheap woooden board shed (called a bar, lol!) in the studio, Sorry, but that´s simply poor set design and shows there is almost no dedication to change something in general.

So why there is so little dedication to create something new in terms of more variety? Here´s one of maybe more explanations: Surely a lot of users, who buy LP scenes, don´t visit the site daily and thus don´t have a clear insight what´s happening over years. And of course there are new members, young members and not so experienced members with a "veteran porn expertise", who are - with good reason - simply overwhelmed and thrilled by the mass of rough anal gangbang scenes. They watch the first gangbang of a girl and say "wow!", they watch the second gangbang of the same girl and say "wow!", they watch the third gangbang of the same girl and still say "wow!". They believe LP is the Heaven of porn. But as an experienced porn watcher - having seen almost everything in porn over the years - you come to a point when it is not enough to see 10, 20, 30, 40, ... scenes of the same girl shot in the same style in the same room. As long as there are enough undemanding users, satisfied with the content as it is and buying the scenes anyway, there will be no change for the better. Sad, but true.

Still LP has some of the best girls. And from time to time (getting rarer and rarer...) a scene is released, which is something special. But when that happens, it is to 99% due to the girl´s devotion. It´s not because of the director, not because the scene has a unique idea or concept, not because the male performers doing a great job (okay, sometimes a little bit; depends on who is in the scene). It´s because of the girl delivering a great performance. Good example: Part 1 of Anna de Ville´s 50th scene. This was something special. It can´t be a coincidence, that it was scripted by herself...

Blue part:
I can´t understand, that those Gonzo BTS (as long as the scene itself from a steady cam) are adored by some users. As much as I love BTS generally, this is horror for me. I remember watching a 1 hour BTS of an Anna de Ville Gonzo scene. Anna and male performers sitting there, bored, no talking, no interaction, just waiting for the next instruction and next position, Luis walking by saying no word etc. That´s an atmosphere with no soul, no fun - almost depressing to watch. No wonder the results are robotic scenes without passion, just going through gymnastic exercise positions.

Green part:
Yes, shooting porn is a job. But why should a job be routine and not passion? I refuse to believe, that there can´t be pure lust on a porn set. With performers having fun while rough sex and directors having fun to create a scenario and to capture the action.

Just read Rocco´s statement to one of his movies. Porn should be like that:

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Of course Rocco is a special case, a legend as director and performer in one person. You can´t clone him or instruct male performers "just act and fuck like Rocco". By the way, that´s another problem at LP: The lack of talented male performers, who really adore the girls and are greedy to fuck all those beautiful girls. Most of LP male performers are just cocks without personality. They don´t have a clue to fuck a girl not just physically, but also mentally. And with real passion. How often do you see performers getting sweaty in LP scenes? Almost never. How often do you hear dirty talking (an important ingredient for a good scene!) in LP scenes? Almost never. How often do you see kissing in LP scenes? Almost never. And I´m not talking about vanilla kissing, no about kissing Rocco or Nacho style. That means getting slobbery, biting in lips (or tits) etc. Male performers should change pace, turning a little soft and lovingly just to go even harder in the next moment, making a girl getting off. I´ve seen so many LP girls shooting with Rocco (e.g. Anna de Villa, Lina Luxa, Dominica Phoenix and many more). Together with Rocco there´s simply another chemistry, things are getting more passionate and more nasty. Rocco alone can go harder than ten LP guys. Angela White lately said "Rocco is a one man gangbang". Just watch her iincredible intense scene with Rocco in the EvilAngel movie "I am Angela" and you will see!

Another thing: Putting little storylines in scenes doesn´t mean, that the scene is less hardcore or there´s less sex included. On the contrary, storylines make scenes more enjoyable - for performers and for watchers. Of course only with female (and male) performers, who have the mental and verbal skills and are not just shy fucktoys. Again the example Anna de Ville: For me she´s the most skilled, most intelligent, most intense girl at LP right now. She definetely loves to shoot special scenes and loves to act a little bit. (By the way: She´s also the most stylish girl at LP. As dap-addict wrote in another thread: Just let her always decide, what make-up and what outfit she wears in a scene.) But even with Anna I've noticed lately, that a bit of routine has found its way into LP scenes. And that´s not her fault! No, it´s because almost every LP scene is just "wam, bam, thank you mam!" No place for creativity, no place for variety, no place for a little storyline.

Come on, LP directors: Storylines in porn scenes are no rocket science! There are countless scenarios, that have proven themselves successfully. Just use them. Or even better, give them your individual touch. Just one scenario (out of thousands...): Let a girl sit legs apart and blindfolded on a chair in the middle of the room. She wears a classy outfit and doesn´t know what´s happening next. The doors open, 10 guys come in (not already naked, but also fully dressed). Build up some tension. First they just walk around her, she doesn´t see but only hear them. They start to touch her, she gets horny and fingers herself. The tension gets higher and higher. They start to kiss her, grab her, undress her. Things are getting messier and messier, they tear her clothes off and so on and so on. Of course all ends in a rough gangbang. With lots of dirty talking. Not that difficult, is it?

Talking about way of directing and creating a warm atmosphere: I´m a big fan of Proxy Paige´s directing style. You feel in her scenes, that the girls like to shoot with her and are having fun. Often you can hear her from the off, how excited she is and how she cheers on the performers. I have the impression, this encourages some girls to go the extra mile. Just watch all the Megan Inky scenes directed by Proxy. Amazing! I have rarely seen a girl, who is fucked so hard and has so much fun at the same time. Another example (again Anna de Ville...): In a scene directed by Proxy Anna invents a new position, instructs the guys and gets totally euphoric. The guys and Proxy love the position, too - and Anna can´t stop laughing, being happy and getting off for minutes. That was so much fun to watch! Apart from that atmosphere, Proxy also is open-minded to try new things when it comes to locations and scenarios. In her latest EvilAngel movie "Russians are cumming" she shoots rough soldier gangbangs outside in a former military area with Isabella Clark, Lola Shine and Stacy Bloom. I lost hope, at some point something like that will happen at LP (outdoor shootings). Unfortunately those days of the brilliant "Clockwork Gang" series are over...

Summary:
LP definetely needs some new input, some new directors, some new male performers. But I fear, it won´t happen. Or does anyone believe, Giorgio´s announced 12 episode series or his "Fuck a fan" concept will be realized? And most important: If it will be realized, does anyone believe, it will really be something totally different? A little bit of hope still remains in me...

[Wotan29]

Something went wrong with the Rocco statement. So here it is again:

[Evil_Del]

I agree and i think it's been like that for quite a while.

Let's have fun and make a list of LP's manufactured products offered here.

- Duo/Trio for begginers. Color options : White / Black

- Small GB with DAP. Color options : White / Black

- Big GB with DAP. Color options : White / Black. Optionnal topping: Piss

- Special seasonal product: Big Christmas orgy


Participants

Men products:
- token white anonymous cock. Body options : Out of shape hairy bod / Muscular fit Bod. Optionnal topping : 2 dollars black "wife beater" shirt
- token black anonymous cock. Body option : lean. Optionnal topping : black "crazyness" / black "swagger" (hat or lollipop)

Women products:
- white slim/skinny young woman with a nice face
- white chubbier less young woman with a not so nice face
- Big assed colombian girl. Options: nice face/no so nice face

The production line for black women has been stopped sorry for the inconvenience.

All the products will be served in the same environement, the same sex positions will be performed following the same scenario and during the same amount of time. Have a good FAP!

[dap-addict]

Thanks for those both posts, Wotan!
It took me so long because 2015 I found my studio, switched from mainly dvd to completely online and after around 2017 I didnt need any other porn because only LP shot DAP content basically. I also never really liked US porn a lot, except a few US girl exceptions like Kelly Wells.

Now this is one of cores of your 2nd post for me:

I can´t understand, that those Gonzo BTS (as long as the scene itself from a steady cam) are adored by some users. As much as I love BTS generally, this is horror for me. I remember watching a 1 hour BTS of an Anna de Ville Gonzo scene. Anna and male performers sitting there, bored, no talking, no interaction, just waiting for the next instruction and next position, Luis walking by saying no word etc. That´s an atmosphere with no soul, no fun - almost depressing to watch. No wonder the results are robotic scenes without passion, just going through gymnastic exercise positions.

I actually like those Luis BTS because they are so different compared with the outcome still. Its just interesting to watch also how its done, or at least half of it.
But I fully agree that some of that cold quietness has an almost depressing feel and this for sure also gets transported into end product. Thats the main problem with gonzo nowadays.

[dap-addict]

Btw, the Monika Wild off-set corridor fuck BTS was shot by Giorgio Grandi it seems.
There is another nice one with Nicole and Neeo, but its (more) staged.
Correct me please Gio if you shouldn't have filmed both these excellent BTS bits!

[tekaneo]

Im going to post a simple phrase that resume all what DAP Addict said:

viewtopic.php?f=101&t=23959&p=285447&hilit=highest+sales#p285447

Postby xxx » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:11 am
Moved.
Today we had the highest sales ever although only a limited amount were for that TS scene of course.

Thats the real problem here, all the other things you can speak here wastes your time. I can be more clear but the real truth is: this is a porn factory and porn factory means = make money, so it means that it doesn't care if you need to shot the same "pixels" (because thats what they do, produce "pixels" captured by cameras to sell them) while ppl keep buying them. I feel there aren't any RIGHT NOW "real" porn director on LP who likes what he does or what he shot and they are more focused on what they earn (not counting GIO for example because he stated clearly that 90% scenes wont be shot by him). Im going to speak for me: i really dont know why ppl keep watching the same scenes because for me, watched one -> watched all, even if you shot the same girl 30 times, 1st will be her introduction, 2nd her first DAP and the others 28 will be the same 1st of even the 2nd style scene (maybe some piss here and there but nothing much more different). My last phrase CANT be used to compare what USA porn produce, even if you shot the same girl 100 times on USA porn 90% scenes are totally different, why? because they are some scripts, some different scenarios, different directors, diferent studios...

Want a fast resume: why we are going to change our shoting style when the golden chicken keep giving me golden bars non stop. End of story.

[Wotan29]

Evil_Del:

Good summary.

[Wotan29]

[quote="tekaneo"]Want a fast resume: Why we are going to change our shoting style when the golden chicken keep giving me golden bars non stop. End of story.[/quote

That´s what I wanted to say in other words in my long post above:
As long as there are enough undemanding users, satisfied with the content as it is and buying the scenes anyway, there will be no change for the better. Sad, but true.

It´s all about sales. No professional honour, no ambition, no aspiration anymore to shoot amazing porn with great variety.
(But simply forgetting or ignoring, that variety instead of assembly line production probably would bring even higher sales...)

Anyway, the more users who realize that they buy always the same scenes, the less scenes they will buy, the bigger the pressure for LP to finally change something.
But this process will take time...

[Wotan29]

Now this is one of cores of your 2nd post for me:

I can´t understand, that those Gonzo BTS (as long as the scene itself from a steady cam) are adored by some users. As much as I love BTS generally, this is horror for me. I remember watching a 1 hour BTS of an Anna de Ville Gonzo scene. Anna and male performers sitting there, bored, no talking, no interaction, just waiting for the next instruction and next position, Luis walking by saying no word etc. That´s an atmosphere with no soul, no fun - almost depressing to watch. No wonder the results are robotic scenes without passion, just going through gymnastic exercise positions.

I believe there are some more cores in my long post.

But hey, thanks for appreciating my post anyway and I´m glad you finally realized, that something goes very wrong with LP production. I know this perception is hard for you and it took some time. And by the way: This doesn´t just apply to Gonzo, but for sure also for IV and sadly also for GIO (at least since he is no longer directing himself; but even before that, not everything was gold...).

[Giorgio Grandi]

Personally decide what scene to shoot and with who, I suggest a script (positions, sex acts, etc) to my director for about 50% of what we shoot and I write detailed description for about 20%, probably even a bit more. I approved all outfits and makeup.
The true is that if we talk about "perception" of the content, if you exclude for the introduction of the scene (where I maybe talk), the output between me and him is almost identical. Sometimes I do not even understand it myself. Actually I have been poked on the forum more than you poked him.

The main point is "perception", not the content itself. If you watch my updates daily and you are up to buy scenes daily, you maybe have the idea all is boring, but if you visit the website a couple of time/week and make 1-2 purchase/week (like a believe the majority of users are doing), so the perception is high level of quality spreaded between all content as was never done before. (avoiding to consider how the girl looks, but about the action/quality)

It is absurd to compare my output (30 scenes/month), with the output of someone that shoot 5-7 scenes and consider my output ordinary. If you want to compare the quality of my output with someone else, should be someone with the same numbers.
When you shoot few scenes a month and you "chose" between a small circle of experienced female performer, you have a easier job, much easier, instead here many time "we go standard" because we do not even know what to expect from the performer.

Repetition of the same model: this is a old topic that is pretty boring. If a model sells what should we do? Do not shoot her because we shoot already many scenes with her? It is like the SEO of Toyota would pull out from the market the Corolla because it sold too much. It is totally senseless, it is even hard to believe someone still point this matter

Passion: see also previous point. It is easy to be a male porn actor when you shoot 7-10 scenes/month and it is dam easier even when you chose the girls with who you perform. This is not what mean to be a porn actor, this means to perform with someone you already wanted to fuck.

Location/Story: different location than what we use means lower sales and the reason is easy to understand. The actual setup gives the best visual opportunity to follow the action with a camera without to be forced to direct (eventually cut) to compensate light and framing problematic. To use ZZ as comparison is again a nonsense. ZZ release BG for most of their production, this makes easy to shoot more or less anywhere, something very different than have 3-5 performers on stage at the same moment.
Said that, I personally believe a very small % of user cares about the location as they enjoy the model, they do not enjoy the picture on the wall, otherwise we will be filming a bunch of guys around a picture, not around a girl. The setup is not poor, the setup is essential. A couch, a couple of stuff in the corners to tell the cameraman where is the end of "the area" and something hanged on the wall to give "life" instead than a white background, than the attention goes to the girl. I personally do not remember the location of many scenes I watched, but I remember the girl and the sexual acts. I would be sick to remember the location, so how can the picture on the wall increase/decrease sales? Really I want someone to explain me this.
If we talk about the "structure" of the location (stairs, corners, lofts), this maybe give some variants specially in the teasing, but JJ that is a intro master, shot 95% of his content on his own house, the problems is that in CZ we do not have such house for fuck sake and we do not have the sun they have in LA or Vegas.

Story: I believe story are an additional value, but in my case (unfortunately) Andy gave up after few weeks because of extreme stress and incompatibility with his way to direct. From this moment I did not find anyone interest to follow my program (because to direct 15 scenes/month with story, and also write the story, is a fuck of a job that no one wants to do, and its not a matter of money)

Shoot Less: the point is not that we should shoot less content and give more quality, the point is that others would love to shoot more and provide totally shitty content without to give a shit about who watch.
But, even considering this, without to even tell you that to produce 15 scenes or 30 doesnt change the running cost of the production, what is the fucking reason someone should release 1/2 of the content (for example), gaining 5% more on each scene, with the same running cost and without the opportunity to provide big package of scenes to the models.

Basically location and fuck on the moon instead than on a white couch, gives a very low increase on sales that doesnt make the time investment interesting. Its like who produce the Corolla would use a more brilliant paint, who fuck care of the paint, anyway when you park at the shopping mall, some idiot will every time hit your car with his door.

Money/Sales: oh came on, do you really think we should shoot content for the sake of something different than the money? Do you think toyota manufacture affordable cars because they want to help the middle class?

Girls: I do not have many new girls on GG, because most of new girls gets on GGL before, than I evaluate who is worth to shoot in Prague and do not have potential

Bottom line if that you stuck on old topics already discussed but you are really missing interesting points, for example:
- wet content do not rule every time anymore, this shows that wet users are not enough to provide support to all wet releases and it looks like wet releases are supported from who would support also a "non wet release". A wet release would have killed 95% of what was released on the same day, but now it is maybe 50-50 even with average competition.
- increasingly new models, even going wet or interracial at the beginning, are not supported enough to justify more shootings. This was very different before.
- DP sells almost as BGA, smt before did not happen, but still only on a small group of models, but than the DAP scene, specially the first (where the model has the less skills and less DAP experience) undersell comparing to a release list that do not include DP. Following DAP oversell the first, this tells a lot.
- top models are still much more supported than new talents, a good new talent is often oversold, something like new models are not really supported anymore as before. This match the previous point and my long time belief: first DAP (or DP or Anal) sells, but best one sells more, much more. The time of "first time" is gone, users wants "action", they do not care if a girl did something for the first time if the action is not as it should.
- Very good looking models, into a determinate category (not tall, thin, small tits, cute face) sells no matter what, probably even fucked from some forniture

P.S.: You have enough material to have some more interesting discussion imho as I find 95% of topic a bunch of complaints, point of view considered as pure gold and in general a low, very low know-how and attention to what we release and to how the public (not you) react to it. If you want to talk about porn like big boys, it should be done not only accordingly to your personal point of view but without consider you own perception.

[drevokocur66]

- wet content do not rule every time anymore, this shows that wet users are not enough to provide support to all wet releases and it looks like wet releases are supported from who would support also a "non wet release". A wet release would have killed 95% of what was released on the same day, but now it is maybe 50-50 even with average competition.
- increasingly new models, even going wet or interracial at the beginning, are not supported enough to justify more shootings. This was very different before.

A quality wet release kills just fine. What I stopped buying is your "spit n spill" wet content. Your scenes lack creativity, and fun. Way too much choreography, edits, and over-staged positions. Add to it the lack of ATM, ATOGM, throw in tip DAP, angle tip fucking, mix in a pinch of sterility and repetitiveness... and bam, you have a scene that is not well supported. On the other hand, your one on one scenes and some of the GL trailers look phenomenal, I wish you would add some (creative and fun) wet content to it.

[MackZatis]

If you want to talk about porn like big boys, it should be done not only accordingly to your personal point of view but without consider you own perception.

PURE GOLD! My major gripe about all "conversations" on the forum...

[magizi877]

I haven't bought anything in ages, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

For me, the director main job, is to make the action, look good on video.
And in particular to highlight the reaction of the babe.

Of course the director has to make everything happen, behind the scenes,
but we don't care about any of the logistics of how porn works,
aside from a few of you who might do. We just want to watch the spectacle, lol.

I think the reason why I can't stand IV and Giorgio Grandi current camera work,
is because OFTEN, what I want to see, is at the edges of my screen, INSTEAD OF THE CENTER of it.

By often I mean 70% of the footage, has this issue, lol

What happens is: I usually have to scan the screen with my eyes on the bottom left corner
and the top right corner, notice these are at OPPOSITE ENDS of the screen.
So I have to scramble, I have to choose, one or the other.
but never at the center of the screen, which is the place I prefer to focus my attention on.

I never thought I would put GG and IV together, but there you go.

Anyways, now that there is a filter I want to resub to LP,
but I'm not convinced by the current output:

IV and GG camera work is so awful I wouldn't buy those movies,
even if the action was amazingly unbelievable, which it isn't, lol

Gonzo is now using GG studs, which are LEVEL MASTER at tip-fucking,
did I include any of them at my tier list thread? I don't remember. It's been so long.
I don't think I did anyway, because honestly the hope that they would produce an awesome
movie is almost zero. lol

And Luis and XXX somehow managed to get rid of his dream team of male actors over the years,
or they just refuse to make rough sex movies, either way, I don't see any reason to join.

[avanfurwet]

... imho as I find 95% of topic a bunch of complaints, point of view considered as pure gold and in general a low, very low know-how and attention to what we release and to how the public (not you) react to it. If you want to talk about porn like big boys, it should be done not only accordingly to your personal point of view but without consider you own perception.

Agree with MackZatis. And, predictably, completely ignored by subsequent posters.

Thanks Giorgio for taking the time to respond.

[Giorgio Grandi]

- wet content do not rule every time anymore, this shows that wet users are not enough to provide support to all wet releases and it looks like wet releases are supported from who would support also a "non wet release". A wet release would have killed 95% of what was released on the same day, but now it is maybe 50-50 even with average competition.
- increasingly new models, even going wet or interracial at the beginning, are not supported enough to justify more shootings. This was very different before.

A quality wet release kills just fine. What I stopped buying is your "spit n spill" wet content. Your scenes lack creativity, and fun. Way too much choreography, edits, and over-staged positions. Add to it the lack of ATM, ATOGM, throw in tip DAP, angle tip fucking, mix in a pinch of sterility and repetitiveness... and bam, you have a scene that is not well supported. On the other hand, your one on one scenes and some of the GL trailers look phenomenal, I wish you would add some (creative and fun) wet content to it.

Again, you use your own perception to spit a sentence but it is ok, I replay you.
- If you fill a small glass with some pee and you make the girl to drink it, you have the impression she swallow more than if she got 5 gallons of pee from every side or if she spills a full bucket of herself
- My comment did not regard my content, but a general observation. Now do not tell me that today pee rules, because I can give you 10 example where other content overcame wet content (now) and 10 example where in the past an average girl on wet scene was able to kill a top girl on a dry scene

[dap-addict]

Wow, Giorgio, such a long post to my OP!
The more that basically I wish(ed) only for this:

Would be interesting if Luis would care to answer.
Would be really nic for me (and not only!) if Giorgio Grandi went back to direct every 7th of his GIO videos!

Now, looks like I dont get you back directing yourself every 7th scene, but at least this long answer.
Why I'd like you back directing yourself more again?
See OP!

Personally decide what scene to shoot and with who, I suggest a script (positions, sex acts, etc) to my director for about 50% of what we shoot and I write detailed description for about 20%, probably even a bit more. I approved all outfits and makeup.
The true is that if we talk about "perception" of the content, if you exclude for the introduction of the scene (where I maybe talk), the output between me and him is almost identical. Sometimes I do not even understand it myself. Actually I have been poked on the forum more than you poked him.

The main point is "perception", not the content itself. If you watch my updates daily and you are up to buy scenes daily, you maybe have the idea all is boring, but if you visit the website a couple of time/week and make 1-2 purchase/week (like a believe the majority of users are doing), so the perception is high level of quality spreaded between all content as was never done before. (avoiding to consider how the girl looks, but about the action/quality)

You script it for him, approve choose and plan, those 50%, and output is the same, but mood is not!
And its not only about perception, its about feeling, atmosphere, missing BTS, could orders etc.
Its about obviously missing eroticism, about a missing vision of porn.
This vision you had, still have I am sure.
Technically you are replaceable, but emotionally and mentally not!

P.S.: You have enough material to have some more interesting discussion imho as I find 95% of topic a bunch of complaints...

Its not complaining, its trying to explain you a unfortunate mood change at GIO label that came in par with you shooting much less scenes yourself.

Now some more points of our post highlighted:
Repetition of the same model: this is a old topic that is pretty boring. If a model sells what should we do?
I am not against this repetition - and as stated very often already I would take 1 Anna de Ville, Kira Thorn and Nicole Black scene every week. Models selling fine should be mixed with new models.

Passion: see also previous point. It is easy to be a male porn actor when you shoot 7-10 scenes/month and it is dam easier even when you chose the girls with who you perform. This is not what mean to be a porn actor, this means to perform with someone you already wanted to fuck.
No problem with passion of your crew, problem is with lacking passion of your support director.
Support director is technically almost perfect, but he doenst feel joy of sex, pornography, he doenst get arroused by the porn he shoots and this shows in end product.
Same and even more with Luis. Its all only cold there.

Location/Story: different location than what we use means lower sales
No problem with your location for me.
I'd only like to add a real factory setting for a few shots.

Story: I believe story are an additional value, but in my case (unfortunately) Andy gave up after few weeks because of extreme stress and incompatibility with his way to direct. From this moment I did not find anyone interest to follow my program (because to direct 15 scenes/month with story, and also write the story, is a fuck of a job that no one wants to do, and its not a matter of money)
Maybe some forum fans could volunteer.

Shoot Less: (...) tell you that to produce 15 scenes or 30 doesnt change the running cost of the production
Of course you are completely right! Me, I want more, not less. But I also do want your passion of showing porn back in some more scenes again!
And maybe story line director could be a true porn passionate, that would be nice!

Money/Sales: oh came on, do you really think we should shoot content for the sake of something different than the money?
Of course porn has to bring profit!
But remember: You have an original very fine and once passionate GIO brand to loose!

Girls: I do not have many new girls on GG, because most of new girls gets on GGL before, than I evaluate who is worth to shoot in Prague and do not have potential
Exactly!
This the biggest positive progress in my book in 2019.
Very good you can now test them in Piter again first and than import only those with good prospects to sell 10+ DAP to Prague. Cuts risks a lot!

Bottom line if that you stuck on old topics already discussed but you are really missing interesting points, for example:
The time of "first time" is gone, users wants "action", they do not care if a girl did something for the first time if the action is not as it should.
For me DAPbreakin' is still very interesting and I buy all GIO and GLab DAPbreakin's even if the girl isn't my type at all. But its DAP I buy, non-DAP (DP and anal only) I buy only if I feel I have to support a model really to get the DAP I eventually want from her. Here I think you could still push a bit more. They test them at GLab, thus with that basic anal test passed can't you shoot their DAP at once in Prague?
And Giorgio, couldn't you shoot a fewI of those DAPbreakin's yourself again? And make some of these joking, goofy BTS again?
I do miss a mile-stone like the March 2015 Nataly Gold DAPbreakin' again. - That and some goofy Giorgio Grandi BTS again would be my dream for GIO brand 2020!

[Giorgio Grandi]

I haven't bought anything in ages, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

For me, the director main job, is to make the action, look good on video.
And in particular to highlight the reaction of the babe.

Of course the director has to make everything happen, behind the scenes,
but we don't care about any of the logistics of how porn works,
aside from a few of you who might do. We just want to watch the spectacle, lol.

I think the reason why I can't stand IV and Giorgio Grandi current camera work,
is because OFTEN, what I want to see, is at the edges of my screen, INSTEAD OF THE CENTER of it.

By often I mean 70% of the footage, has this issue, lol

What happens is: I usually have to scan the screen with my eyes on the bottom left corner
and the top right corner, notice these are at OPPOSITE ENDS of the screen.
So I have to scramble, I have to choose, one or the other.
but never at the center of the screen, which is the place I prefer to focus my attention on.

I never thought I would put GG and IV together, but there you go.

Anyways, now that there is a filter I want to resub to LP,
but I'm not convinced by the current output:

IV and GG camera work is so awful I wouldn't buy those movies,
even if the action was amazingly unbelievable, which it isn't, lol

Gonzo is now using GG studs, which are LEVEL MASTER at tip-fucking,
did I include any of them at my tier list thread? I don't remember. It's been so long.
I don't think I did anyway, because honestly the hope that they would produce an awesome
movie is almost zero. lol

And Luis and XXX somehow managed to get rid of his dream team of male actors over the years,
or they just refuse to make rough sex movies, either way, I don't see any reason to join.

This is again an observation based on personal taste, but its ok I make few notes, just 2 cents without to even make a big thinking, just common sense.
- You maybe watch the movies to close to the monitor/television (or your television in too big) and you have the issue of moving you eyes to keep attention. I have same problem on cinema if I sit too close to the screen.
- Camera work did not change for me, I find it totally similar from years it is a original style, created over the years and arranged to the audience and to the technology.
- Maybe Gonzo discovered that to have one performer or another doesnt change much the results of the output on sales level

[Giorgio Grandi]

dap-addict,
there is more passion from my cameraman than from me. Last scenes I shot I was going crazy, too many girls are too inexpert to work with me, I do not have anymore the patience I had in the past. I cancelled about 50% of scene I started to direct.
Director doesnt do anything different that tell a script of position or so and than performers have to make it, director maybe gives some suggestion and fix minor problems, but it is up to the actor to make it and it is hard to have it when the models do not have the spark. My cameraman takes a lot of time to make it done as better as possible with the human material he has.ù

Backstage: personally I think a backstage should be staged to look as it should, just to turn the camera and make some clips do not give any added value to the content and often would make the girl look goofy that is not something the girl would like. We shot backstage, every day, but it is for legal purpose and there is not meaning to publish it.

[dap-addict]

If you got older and changed, there is nothing to be done about. You were very patient and a joking man with a porn vision, that was your big advantage over all other LP directors.
But if you feel its gone, than its gone.

Still, you directed some US girls last year and it worked very fine for me. I was really happy to see you back at directing!

About BTS: A poll just showed most users would want your famous BTS a la Monika Wild fucked in the corridor back. Common, it would be a lot of added value!

[Giorgio Grandi]

I find myself more useful without a camera in my hands, sometimes I shoot when I know there are performers that can make it.

[dap-addict]

I am not sure, but I dont see behind your logistics.
But Giorgio, with those good and really DAP-able performers, would you be able to still shoot those old funny BTS?
Make a post-DAP interview again with goo sticking on girls face?
Fellow her around your studio to the shower?
Catch a warm-up fuck like Monika or Nicole?

[drevokocur66]

- wet content do not rule every time anymore, this shows that wet users are not enough to provide support to all wet releases and it looks like wet releases are supported from who would support also a "non wet release". A wet release would have killed 95% of what was released on the same day, but now it is maybe 50-50 even with average competition.
- increasingly new models, even going wet or interracial at the beginning, are not supported enough to justify more shootings. This was very different before.

A quality wet release kills just fine. What I stopped buying is your "spit n spill" wet content. Your scenes lack creativity, and fun. Way too much choreography, edits, and over-staged positions. Add to it the lack of ATM, ATOGM, throw in tip DAP, angle tip fucking, mix in a pinch of sterility and repetitiveness... and bam, you have a scene that is not well supported. On the other hand, your one on one scenes and some of the GL trailers look phenomenal, I wish you would add some (creative and fun) wet content to it.

Again, you use your own perception to spit a sentence but it is ok, I replay you.
- If you fill a small glass with some pee and you make the girl to drink it, you have the impression she swallow more than if she got 5 gallons of pee from every side or if she spills a full bucket of herself
- My comment did not regard my content, but a general observation. Now do not tell me that today pee rules, because I can give you 10 example where other content overcame wet content (now) and 10 example where in the past an average girl on wet scene was able to kill a top girl on a dry scene

You hate wet and it shows. The performers that do wet, their top selling scenes are wet scenes. For you to say that wet survives because dry scene customers are supporting wet scenes is pure bullshit. I said it before and I will say it again. A wet version of the scene will ALWAYS outsell the dry version.

If you lack the passion and the desire as the director, it will project on to the set. Have the girls worship the dick, not be bored with it. This is real sex, it should be fun, not overstaged acting.

[Giorgio Grandi]

You hate wet and it shows. The performers that do wet, their top selling scenes are wet scenes. For you to say that wet survives because dry scene customers are supporting wet scenes is pure bullshit. I said it before and I will say it again. A wet version of the scene will ALWAYS outsell the dry version.

If you lack the passion and the desire as the director, it will project on to the set. Have the girls worship the dick, not be bored with it. This is real sex, it should be fun, not overstaged acting.

I already replay to this here: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=21697&start=160#p297264
You should read it 3 time instead than came here and tech me how to do my job because I know it better than you do


95% of model hate wet, I do not personally care, but anyway you like a content that almost of model do only for money instead than "This is real sex, it should be fun, not overstaged acting"

Pissing is not funny, for most of models it is:
- disgusting
- stressing
- totally unsexy
- brings a lot of problems after the scene

Also some of you just tells bullshits like:
"she did not drink enough"
"should be more natural"

Fuck it, its fucking piss, the same as shit, just liquid: you should just be happy someone does it

[Evil_Del]

DAP addict's arguments make perfect sense from a (rabid) fan standpoint, and Giogio Grandi's arguments make perfect sense from a business standpoint.
I'm not sure both side can reunite here.

We all have particular fetishes and tastes and it's normal that we would like to always have more of those particular things, but we have to accept that the products are not made specifically for us but have to be formated in a certain way to please the maximum of people.

Sometimes the producer will make a product that will please at a 50% rate to 2 millions of people, sometimes he decides to please at a 80% rate to 200 thousands of people. The more the customer satisfaction rate goes up, the more you are producting a niche product that will be too specific to sell really well.

It's really a balance to have and to be decided by the businessman who owns the brand. In this case it's Giogio Grandi's call and we all have to oblige because, well, he's the one producing and we are the consumers. If his sales goes down dramatically then maybe if he's a good businessman (AKA not a stuborn person) he'll come back to the customers and pander more to their tastes or try to change certain things. That's how a business evolve. Successful businessmen know when it's time to change things and when it's time not to.

Bye the way I'm sure in 10/15 years with Artificial Intelligence and Virtual Reality it will be possible to have the porn product specifically made for us and unique to please all our fetishes and taste. Hopefully i'll still be able to get hard then

[avanfurwet]

And Luis and XXX somehow managed to get rid of his dream team of male actors over the years

Maybe Gonzo discovered that to have one performer or another doesnt change much the results of the output on sales level

I have no idea, I'm just a fan of the girls and hope for the puppets to fuck them well.

But I guess the Gonzo MCT cost more than hiring less famous actors, so unless they generate enough additional sales revenue to compensate, it would be unprofitable to keep using them.

Also I guess that famous actors like Christian Clay and Chris Diamond are in demand everywhere and can get constant work, while Gonzo has become a part-time production house recently.

Maybe the MCT guys will work with Gonzo or Grandi studios again. Maybe shooting in beautiful holiday locations appeals more than winter in Prague.

[Wotan29]

About BTS: A poll just showed most users would want your famous BTS a la Monika Wild fucked in the corridor back. Come on, it would be a lot of added value!

Are you talking about this poll:

viewtopic.php?f=101&t=24474

Or about one of the many other threads/polls in the forum?

Anyway, what do you (and other members) think about the idea of offering BTS Model Packages?

Me personally I would buy a lot of those BTS Model packages.
And I think, it has advantages for both sides: LP -> easy money, Members -> fun and model insights

[avanfurwet]

You hate wet and it shows. The performers that do wet, their top selling scenes are wet scenes. For you to say that wet survives because dry scene customers are supporting wet scenes is pure bullshit. I said it before and I will say it again. A wet version of the scene will ALWAYS outsell the dry version.

If you lack the passion and the desire as the director, it will project on to the set. Have the girls worship the dick, not be bored with it. This is real sex, it should be fun, not overstaged acting.

I already replay to this here: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=21697&start=160#p297264
You should read it 3 time instead than came here and tech me how to do my job because I know it better than you do


95% of model hate wet, I do not personally care, but anyway you like a content that almost of model do only for money instead than "This is real sex, it should be fun, not overstaged acting"

Pissing is not funny, for most of models it is:
- disgusting
- stressing
- totally unsexy
- brings a lot of problems after the scene

Also some of you just tells bullshits like:
"she did not drink enough"
"should be more natural"

Fuck it, its fucking piss, the same as shit, just liquid: you should just be happy someone does it

Does "spit & spill" help at all with the problems experienced by models during and after piss drinking scenes?

I understand most posters here seem to demand piss drinking, also possibly drowning.
Posters here are a noisy but tiny and unrepresentative minority of the customer base.

I wonder how much the drinking act really drives sales, compared with less demanding content like "shower" and "spit & spill"?

Could it be that only the harder BDSM-themed scenes really benefit from the fetish of a model being "forced to" drink amounts of pee?

Is there enough of a market for lighter, less demanding acts? Could some models be more willing to make such scenes?

[Wotan29]

My two cents on piss scenes:

Giorgio wrote, 95% of the models hate piss scenes. I´m not quite sure what he means. 95% of ALL models? (that would be normal) Or 95% of models who ACTUALLY SHOOT piss scenes? (that would be sad). Any clarifying?

I love scenes including piss, but only if the girl is into it. No matter how good a girl can act, you feel it in the scene when she´s not really into piss games or even hates it. Same counts for directors by the way... I could live very well with less piss scenes, but then really good ones with girls who love piss. Girls like legendary Annette Schwarz. In her countless GGG scenes you see and feel, that she´s piss-addicted. She swallows large amounts (by the way sometimes even yellow piss, which is another level), she gargles piss, she gargles and swallows piss mixed with cum, she sniffs piss, she slurps piss from the floor, she gets drowned in piss soaking wet, she gets piss-waterboarded, she drinks piss while getting assfucked, she swaps piss with co-girls, she dominates co-girls to drink piss, she spits piss on co-girls, she gets spat on with piss etc. etc. etc. - and all this with a big smile on her face. She simply loves wet games! And those are the piss scenes worth to watch. Maybe there are no girls like Annette Schwarz anymore? I doubt that. For example I remember Veronica Avluv flirting a long time with piss scenes as she loves it in her private sexlife. But as an US porn star she was afraid, because piss is forbidden in the USA and she feared doing piss could have a negative impact on her career. Then finally she did piss gangbangs for LP. And you see in those scenes, that she´s into it. So where are the girls, who love wet games? And please only shoot with them. Those scenes are by far better than scenes with girls, who only do it for the money.

Just take a look in Annette´s eyes and you know what you get...

Sorry for digressing to piss her. It just happened... But somehow it still fits very well in this thread. Namely porn with real passion!

[dap-addict]

About BTS: A poll just showed most users would want your famous BTS a la Monika Wild fucked in the corridor back. Come on, it would be a lot of added value!

Are you talking about this poll:

viewtopic.php?f=101&t=24474

Or about one of the many other threads/polls in the forum?

This poll:https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=24450&hilit=+poll

[dap-addict]

DAP addict's arguments make perfect sense from a (rabid) fan standpoint, and Giogio Grandi's arguments make perfect sense from a business standpoint.
I'm not sure both side can reunite here.

We all have particular fetishes and tastes and it's normal that we would like to always have more of those particular things, but we have to accept that the products are not made specifically for us but have to be formated in a certain way to please the maximum of people.

I think you partly miss the point:
My OP is not about DAP or piss or any other sex act. Its about the mood conveyed in those films we are offered to buy since end 2018.
And about visionaries vs. cold assembly line directors without erotic/pornographic passion.

Its also about brand names and the quality and passion associated with them.
I also mentioned SOS/rs as visionary and passionate porn missed by lots of users. SOS at the beginning shot very little DAP, but he had 1-2 very good and passionate cameramen. And that is visible, that gives these scenes another vibe today.

[Wotan29]

About BTS: A poll just showed most users would want your famous BTS a la Monika Wild fucked in the corridor back. Come on, it would be a lot of added value!

Are you talking about this poll:

viewtopic.php?f=101&t=24474

Or about one of the many other threads/polls in the forum?

This poll:https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=24450&hilit=+poll[/quote

Ah, okay.

And what do you think about the idea of BTS Model Packages?
I love the idea and would be interested in your opinion.
And of course in the opinion of Giorgio himself.
But he seldom talks with me...

[Wotan29]

My OP is not about DAP or piss or any other sex act. Its about the mood conveyed in those films we are offered to buy since end 2018.
And about visionaries vs. cold assembly line directors without erotic/pornographic passion.

I give you credits for being so persistent in defending and clarifying your point of view.
Because you are absolutely right!

[avanfurwet]

...Backstage: personally I think a backstage should be staged to look as it should, just to turn the camera and make some clips do not give any added value to the content and often would make the girl look goofy that is not something the girl would like. We shot backstage, every day, but it is for legal purpose and there is not meaning to publish it.

Regarding BTS, we fans don't have the industry experience and sales data to judge. Producers have more information but also more commercial and time pressures.

It takes time & trouble to shoot BTS and especially to edit and check to make sure no models are made to look bad or revealing private information. It makes sense that Giorgio wouldn't want that extra work with uncertain or no profit payback. In the same way that Giorgio stopped producing photo galleries for scenes until a business decision was made to restore them.

I guess the only way to find out if BTS is worth the extra effort is to offer some for sale at attractive prices and see how it goes.
Up to now BTS has been an added freebie with some scenes at LP so of course it's popular, but does it increase sales for a scene?
The acid test would be to see how many people are interested enough to buy a "making of" film for a scene.

I still think outtakes and bloopers could be re-introduced as a segment after the end of a scene without a huge amount of extra effort, since they are already shot and identified and edited out. Just need quality control to ensure nothing inappropriate is released. Can't say I know whether this would make scenes more attractive to customers and increase sales, but it works in mainstream movies & TV so I guess it stands a chance.

[ayrtight]

95% of model hate wet, I do not personally care,....

Pissing is not funny, for most of models it is:
- disgusting
- stressing
- totally unsexy
- brings a lot of problems after the scene

Also some of you just tells bullshits like:
"she did not drink enough"
"should be more natural"

Fuck it, its fucking piss, the same as shit, just liquid: .....

Thanks Giorgio !

Can we make this sticky ?

( From an urine-hater )

[Evil_Del]

I think you partly miss the point:
My OP is not about DAP or piss or any other sex act. Its about the mood conveyed in those films we are offered to buy since end 2018.
And about visionaries vs. cold assembly line directors without erotic/pornographic passion.

Its also about brand names and the quality and passion associated with them.
I also mentioned SOS/rs as visionary and passionate porn missed by lots of users. SOS at the beginning shot very little DAP, but he had 1-2 very good and passionate cameramen. And that is visible, that gives these scenes another vibe today.

Yes I understand your point. Scenes are too formulaic and too robotic. You can notice it because you are a very passionate and analytic customer (18 thousands posts on the forum would be an indication) and very attached to details. But keep in mind that probably 90% of customers don't even notice the difference.

[drevokocur66]

...you should just be happy someone does it

Exactly what I am left with after watching one of your scenes. Thank you for making the point for me.

[dap-addict]

It is not what is in front of the camera it's what behind it that is the problem. What's behind the camera is concerned about sales numbers only, and how to get to some number of "units" a month, "units" per quarter.

Exactly!
I want pornografers with a vision and a dick swelling in their trousers again, not perfect clones and semi-perfect technicians!
This said I also do want the units of course. Today was excellent choice between 3 DAP and 4 genuin scenes. I would like this every day, sure no output slowdown, sure no slowdown with demanding porn sex acts! And also sure still profit for LP studios, BUT please studios do also start to think what is sustainable and whether you really wanna be McDonald of porn only.