Re: Transgender? Serious?

[makaveli08]

Transgender? Serious?

by makaveli08 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:26 pm

Im really disappointed giorgio. Sorry but transsexusl with girls are disgusting. I hope this is a spezial scene! And not the start of disgusting transgender porn. I hope im not the only who one who think so. Nothing for me and not naturally
. Who is with me?

[luotoslo69]

You are not forced to buy trans scenes... Legalporno is taking a big and positive step to bring new customers and to bring the diversity in porn...

[YumYum74]

Look mate, it’s not for me either, not by a mile. But this kind of topic is not helping and makes you look incredibly transphobic. Just don’t buy it.

[Jocke]

If it is not for you don't buy it!

Do you normally enter shops and tell them which items you don't want to buy?

Please behave, you are in a public forum and we expect you to not tell us that there is something unnatural about our preferences.

[DarkEden]

Responses so far have been spot on. Grow up, and why make a second thread to rant about this not matching your own personal perversions on a fucking porn site?

"Naturally" when referring to porn on a site which involves double anal, double vaginal, drinking piss, and fisting. And using a transgender model is less "natural" than any of those things? Again, grow the fuck up and just don't buy it.

Imagine how Natalie must feel if she reads your bullshit.

[Jocke]

Who is with me?

No one is with you. I vote for that you should be banned from the forum for spreading negativity.

[Sir Noel]

People can whine as much as they like, it is third on the November best sellers list already, ahead of both Veronica Leal and Aletta Black's comeback scene!

For all the arguing, if Giorgio is to film trans material regularly (which he should, based on the results so far) it makes some sense to have a separate "studio" to file them away under, or a trans "toggle" so that anyone who will have a fainting couch experience should they inadvertently stumble across it can avoid it.

[lemmy123]

People can whine as much as they like, it is third on the November best sellers list already, ahead of both Veronica Leal and Aletta Black's comeback scene!

Wow, I'm surprised!
Happily surprised! Good news

(I think, you meant December instead of November)

[Angel Eyes]

I feel there should be a separate studio for releasing trans porn. Mixing the scenes in with GIO proper, yields less non-trans scenes. AFAIC, this is at least two days without a GIO release.

[drinside]

I feel there should be a separate studio for releasing trans porn. Mixing the scenes in with GIO proper, yields less non-trans scenes. AFAIC, this is at least two days without a GIO release.

Thats exactly what I think. Why not create a separete studio for TS releases. It seems this special Xmas release will be a three part scene, so we have to wait three days to get our regular scenes.

[Jocke]

No, don't make it odd or strange by having a separate channel. Just include it now and then just as all other practises. I am sad that piss scenes are shot in a certain way just to be possible to edit. There is enough other scenes for other preferences.

[Angel Eyes]

Three days wasted on this ... And at Christmas too.

Like coal in my stocking.

[drevokocur66]

Three days wasted on this ... And at Christmas too.

Like coal in my stocking.

Pop it in your ass, may come out a diamond. :P

[blackmanwhat350]

People can whine as much as they like, it is third on the November best sellers list already, ahead of both Veronica Leal and Aletta Black's comeback scene!

Wow, I'm surprised!
Happily surprised! Good news

(I think, you meant December instead of November)

I'm not surprised by this news. This is new and different to what we are used to. Say what you want. Complain if you must. Money talk. Whatever sells well you bet your ass you are going to see more of it.That is why we see more of Veronica Leal even those she does only 1 DAP scene. Studio only cares what make them more money. This content will draw new customers to this site thanks to worth of mouth and social media. I am intrigue to see how this will play out. Will it continue to do well or is this one time thing. Who knows. Put it out there and see if it does well. Let that speak for themselves.

[lemmy123]

No, don't make it odd or strange by having a separate channel. Just include it now and then just as all other practises. I am sad that piss scenes are shot in a certain way just to be possible to edit. There is enough other scenes for other preferences.

Agree

[dap-addict]

GIO, just put TS next time into a new section or line.
Like GLab.

[arrow666]

Better do separate videos only with genders and trans! Not the right way to make diversity in videos, instead start doing longest - pissing contests, longest anal-ball-throwing ones etc, restore creme and creme farting scenes!

So you refuse to do all that normal and highly wanted from all content and start such new trends like trans in normal videos!? What the fuck is going on!? What the fuck is that twisted and ugly trend!?

LP take some actions and restart asap wanted from all above contests as in the golden times of LP, thanks for understanding

[islandor7]

Put the gay scenes in a different site. Much respect for LP but there's a place for queers and it's not in the main site. I've followed LP for years, put gay scenes in a homo section.

[Object_O]

Who is with me?

No one is with you. I vote for that you should be banned from the forum for spreading negativity.

I now support his call owing to your authoritarian view on Trans porn
I used to be okay with TS when it was classified as a category one can select
However, following the radical way in which you are imposing TS porn on the rest of us made me hate this one-sided ideology
Should you be open to having TS as a distinct studio or an opt-in category, may be people shall be taking you a little more seriously for what happens to be an entertainment is turning out like a political stance made by you people

[alex2256]

Who is with me?

No one is with you. I vote for that you should be banned from the forum for spreading negativity.

I now support his call owing to your authoritarian view on Trans porn
I used to be okay with TS when it was classified as a category one can select
However, following the radical way in which you are imposing TS porn on the rest of us made me hate this one-sided ideology
Should you be open to having TS as a distinct studio or an opt-in category, may be people shall be taking you a little more seriously for what happens to be an entertainment is turning out like a political stance made by you people

Yes man! Agree. If they are going to sneakily put gay sex into whats meant to be a straight category then I'm out. If a human is biologically born as a male, and another male fucks its asshole - then that ia classified as gay. No matter how much makeup they are wearing. They will always have male chromosomes.

However, I have NO problem if it was an opt-in category or if they have it on a separate category on the site. I dont want straight porn mixed with men fucking men in the ass. Even if they were post-op scenes - it is still a biological male.

They really need to reevaluate their decisions. You cant just force this trans stuff on people. Not everyone wants it.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Hello everyone!
I do not really have time to write much, but I will take 5 minutes anyway.

- Gay people do not watch trans movies, believe me is it like this
- Trans movie aim for heterosexual customers, otherwise LP acquired in 3 days as much gay users as LP did with hetero users in 5-6 years (if who bought the xmas scene is gay)
- As i told many time, forum doesnt represent at all the audience of LP, but still many people write as if they represent someone else than themselves, it starts to be a bit insane.
- To add a Label "Trans" on the thumb of the scene (something like the "new" icon") will just drive more traffic away from other content.
- I read several message with the word "disgusting" regarding a t-girl, but at the same time you want "puke porn, drink piss and girl sucking shitted dick". With all respect I find very homophobic the issue with t-girls and very disgusting all the rest
- You do not need to be gay to fuck a trans as a girl doesnt fuck with another girl because she is lesbian or bisexual, this is just part of the job of the porn actor. Someone is ok with it, someone else prefer do not shoot with a t-girl but appear on tinder as gay escort (countless actors also the so called "totally straight")

Merry Christmas to all the wankers!!!

[avanfurwet]

Hello everyone!
I do not really have time to write much, but I will take 5 minutes anyway.

- Gay people do not watch trans movies, believe me is it like this
- Trans movie aim for heterosexual customers, otherwise LP acquired in 3 days as much gay users as LP did with hetero users in 5-6 years (if who bought the xmas scene is gay)
- As i told many time, forum doesnt represent at all the audience of LP, but still many people write as if they represent someone else than themselves, it starts to be a bit insane.
- To add a Label "Trans" on the thumb of the scene (something like the "new" icon") will just drive more traffic away from other content.
- I read several message with the word "disgusting" regarding a t-girl, but at the same time you want "puke porn, drink piss and girl sucking shitted dick". With all respect I find very homophobic the issue with t-girls and very disgusting all the rest
- You do not need to be gay to fuck a trans as a girl doesnt fuck with another girl because she is lesbian or bisexual, this is just part of the job of the porn actor. Someone is ok with it, someone else prefer do not shoot with a t-girl but appear on tinder as gay escort (countless actors also the so called "totally straight")

Merry Christmas to all the wankers!!!

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Interesting insights.
Not sure about the label thing; but your content, your sales, your choice - and congratulations on the sales for the WTF Christmas scene.

Best wishes for 2020 to you, your family & your business.

[alex2256]

Hello everyone!
I do not really have time to write much, but I will take 5 minutes anyway.

- Gay people do not watch trans movies, believe me is it like this
- Trans movie aim for heterosexual customers, otherwise LP acquired in 3 days as much gay users as LP did with hetero users in 5-6 years (if who bought the xmas scene is gay)
- As i told many time, forum doesnt represent at all the audience of LP, but still many people write as if they represent someone else than themselves, it starts to be a bit insane.
- To add a Label "Trans" on the thumb of the scene (something like the "new" icon") will just drive more traffic away from other content.
- I read several message with the word "disgusting" regarding a t-girl, but at the same time you want "puke porn, drink piss and girl sucking shitted dick". With all respect I find very homophobic the issue with t-girls and very disgusting all the rest
- You do not need to be gay to fuck a trans as a girl doesnt fuck with another girl because she is lesbian or bisexual, this is just part of the job of the porn actor. Someone is ok with it, someone else prefer do not shoot with a t-girl but appear on tinder as gay escort (countless actors also the so called "totally straight")

Merry Christmas to all the wankers!!!

I appreciate your reply. I really do. It seems as though you are a business man who cares about nothing except your bottom dollar and you are taking advantage of an opportunity in which "straight" men are deluded about their sexuality... and with ALL due respect - I have no interest in puke, piss or shit on dick. All quite disgusting and should be put in the same category as trans porn.

Anyone who wants to see a MTF transgender get fucked in the ass by another biological man is either gay or a closet gay. There is no doubt about it and to sneak it into straight porn is a big fuck you to people who want no part of it.

LegalPorno to me seemed like it was always about boundary pushing - but that boundary has been crossed and I think I speak for the silent majority in that I won't be buying another scene from your studio after seeing how you treat your customers and by calling them wankers because they dont share your "vision".

As someone above said, good luck in 2020 with your business. With the amount of deluded and confused men in this day and age, I'm sure you'll probably do quite well.

Peace.

[vvvv84335]

Both double anal/double vaginal is the rubbing of dicks together which is equally as homoerotic if we go by the logic of those complaining in here. I agree with Giorgio 100% and whatever sells will ALWAYS be what a business will choose. It is not as if he will stop shooting non-TS scenes entirely... and if he does then such is life! Stop all this drama over what is just porn. Remember, any purchase is YOUR CHOICE.

Merry Christmas and happy new years to all you horny people!

[Angel Eyes]

How many bought the scene simply for Nicole or Anna then got an unexpected eyeful of cock in man's ass? Gio admits he purposely didn't label the scenes as TS for fear of driving away traffic from other content. WTF Gio?

The level of contempt towards customers is astounding.

[vvvv84335]

How many bought the scene simply for Nicole or Anna then got an unexpected eyeful of cock in man's ass? Gio admits he purposely didn't label the scenes as TS for fear of driving away traffic from other content. WTF Gio?

The level of contempt towards customers is astounding.

it's tagged with shemale (don't know if that was added before or after). I just saw the trailer and saw the TS action there and then decided not to buy it.... so fair enough IMO. Look at sites such as evilangel, they also have TS content as a normal part of their selection... I just skip it.

[Angel Eyes]

it's tagged with shemale (don't know if that was added before or after).

I think it was tagged with shemale since originally posted. Scenes should be tagged for content. ... That and get their own TS section or TS studio.

[Giorgio Grandi]

How many bought the scene simply for Nicole or Anna then got an unexpected eyeful of cock in man's ass? Gio admits he purposely didn't label the scenes as TS for fear of driving away traffic from other content. WTF Gio?

The level of contempt towards customers is astounding.

What is astounding is people that is not able to fucking read.

This is what I wrote: "- To add a Label "Trans" on the thumb of the scene (something like the "new" icon") will just drive more traffic away from other content."
will just drive
this is future, not something in the past.

Without to even mention LP doest have a icon TRANS to place somewhere on the thumb.

"he purposely didn't label the scenes as TS for fear of driving away traffic from other content. "
No I did not fucking admin that, not even close. I told that to do something like this in future maybe penalize the other content

"How many bought the scene simply for Nicole or Anna then got an unexpected eyeful of cock in man's ass? "
No fucking one, because people watch the trailer and than decide to purchase the content, so they watched 3 trailers, purchased the content with a t-girl and shitted almost on all december production. And now what? Are they all gay as someone is so arrogant to assume?
No even close they just liked the scene and contest, even probably more than deserved, this tell a lot on who consume trans porn that is the same people that consume "normal" porn.

And its right, there few website where trans content goes along with other content, no one say LP should do the same, its really not important for most of users otherwise the 3 part xmas movie should have been unsold, but its ok to respect who really cant stand a trans, but on the other side also who cant stand pee or prolapse should have the same opportunity.

T-girl would attract more users that will be probably buy also scenes without t-girls sometimes, something that is not happening with many pee users that claim to buy only wet content and ignore all the rest. This is something very positive also for other users: more sales, more budget, better content.

Overall, what I see in the forum on xmas days is really miserable, and its not a matter of t-girls or what ever, but how people hidden behind a computer are writing with so much rage and hate... came on its xmas...

[Giorgio Grandi]

Hello everyone!
I do not really have time to write much, but I will take 5 minutes anyway.

- Gay people do not watch trans movies, believe me is it like this
- Trans movie aim for heterosexual customers, otherwise LP acquired in 3 days as much gay users as LP did with hetero users in 5-6 years (if who bought the xmas scene is gay)
- As i told many time, forum doesnt represent at all the audience of LP, but still many people write as if they represent someone else than themselves, it starts to be a bit insane.
- To add a Label "Trans" on the thumb of the scene (something like the "new" icon") will just drive more traffic away from other content.
- I read several message with the word "disgusting" regarding a t-girl, but at the same time you want "puke porn, drink piss and girl sucking shitted dick". With all respect I find very homophobic the issue with t-girls and very disgusting all the rest
- You do not need to be gay to fuck a trans as a girl doesnt fuck with another girl because she is lesbian or bisexual, this is just part of the job of the porn actor. Someone is ok with it, someone else prefer do not shoot with a t-girl but appear on tinder as gay escort (countless actors also the so called "totally straight")

Merry Christmas to all the wankers!!!

I appreciate your reply. I really do. It seems as though you are a business man who cares about nothing except your bottom dollar and you are taking advantage of an opportunity in which "straight" men are deluded about their sexuality... and with ALL due respect - I have no interest in puke, piss or shit on dick. All quite disgusting and should be put in the same category as trans porn.

Anyone who wants to see a MTF transgender get fucked in the ass by another biological man is either gay or a closet gay. There is no doubt about it and to sneak it into straight porn is a big fuck you to people who want no part of it.

LegalPorno to me seemed like it was always about boundary pushing - but that boundary has been crossed and I think I speak for the silent majority in that I won't be buying another scene from your studio after seeing how you treat your customers and by calling them wankers because they dont share your "vision".

As someone above said, good luck in 2020 with your business. With the amount of deluded and confused men in this day and age, I'm sure you'll probably do quite well.

Peace.

Im sorry you take as an offence @wankers@, it was not related to the topic about the t-girls, I told merry xmas to a group of people that jerk off on porn movies, how should I call them? Translated from Italian sounds funny, sorry if it sounds like an offence to someone from UK, it was not.

@and you are taking advantage of an opportunity in which "straight" men are deluded about their sexuality@
And what is the point of this? So Toyota should not sell the Prius because everyone makes joke and associate that car to someone gay? Ah came on really, its porn, its fantasy, its not reality.

The fact you have a different point of view than me doesnt mean I need to agree with you. You can think as you wish, its not a problem for me, but Im the one taking the risk producing the content and I prefer do not listen to this forum that much because when I do it I usually lose money, instead the response of the audience is a bigger data.

Im pretty sure LP is not going to release a lot of t-girls, or Im personally not interest in this, and one solution for you to avoid t-girls with some filter will be developed, but so much big drama seams totally unreal to me.
Ah came on, I do not like horror movies, but when I go to the cinema and before the movie I chose they force me to watch trailer of movies Im not interested, Im not standing up and scream like a teenager, I deal with it. You can also simply just skip the trailer if tagged with "trans", just read the tags.

[Sir Noel]

it's tagged with shemale (don't know if that was added before or after).

I think it was tagged with shemale since originally posted. Scenes should be tagged for content. ... That and get their own TS section or TS studio.

That seems a massive stretch. A three-parter that will weigh in for 15 tickets featuring three cis girls who have many other scenes here and you are saying people bought ALL THREE parts (they all sold well) without at any point checking the trailers 9r the parts they had already downloaded?
And then these scenes sell better than Nicole and Anna's normal scenes?
It is a Christmas Miracle! The Hand of Jesus must have passed over this series!

My alternative: this is a scene that aooeal to maybe 1/3 of viewers, as ipposed to regular LP scenes that appeal to 2/3+ of viewers BUT that 1/3 nearly all bought it, whereas there are so many DAP's, wet scenes, BBC etc that customers pick and choose.
My view is a couple of these scenes per month would be a big seller; one a day and the present customer base would burn out on it (tho new customers may be attracted by then).

[123Gape123]

Hello everyone!
I do not really have time to write much, but I will take 5 minutes anyway.

- Gay people do not watch trans movies, believe me is it like this
- Trans movie aim for heterosexual customers, otherwise LP acquired in 3 days as much gay users as LP did with hetero users in 5-6 years (if who bought the xmas scene is gay)
- As i told many time, forum doesnt represent at all the audience of LP, but still many people write as if they represent someone else than themselves, it starts to be a bit insane.
- To add a Label "Trans" on the thumb of the scene (something like the "new" icon") will just drive more traffic away from other content.
- I read several message with the word "disgusting" regarding a t-girl, but at the same time you want "puke porn, drink piss and girl sucking shitted dick". With all respect I find very homophobic the issue with t-girls and very disgusting all the rest
- You do not need to be gay to fuck a trans as a girl doesnt fuck with another girl because she is lesbian or bisexual, this is just part of the job of the porn actor. Someone is ok with it, someone else prefer do not shoot with a t-girl but appear on tinder as gay escort (countless actors also the so called "totally straight")

Merry Christmas to all the wankers!!!

Thank you for all of your dirty content, t-girls are women, and I really loved the inclusion of the marvelous Natalie Mars.

Carry on !

[Angel Eyes]

Giorgio,

I apologize if I misunderstood your post. I read it as you had a reluctance to label trans porn for fear of losing customers (traffic). BTW, I'm still not 100% clear on what your saying regarding labeling trans scenes.

As surprising as it may seem, I do not always watch a trailer before buying a scene when it stars my insta-buy models (there are only two). I imagine other customers have models they buy without viewing trailers.

Regarding this scene being marketed as 'hetero'. Maybe some guys need affirmation of their hetero identity when viewing a t-girl being anally penetrated, that the scene be considered 'hetero' and not labeled as 'trans'...lest they feel strange and confused that their cock swells and tingles with heat watching a t-girl get fucked up the ass. It's okay if guys enjoy watching it...more power to them. They should have an outlet for their fantasies too. My issue was with how you released these scenes under the GIO studio with no identifying label. Every other fetish is clearly labeled so customers can locate scenes particular to their fetish. All I'm basically asking is scenes featuring t-girl performers being anally penetrated be clearly labeled.

How many bought the scene simply for Nicole or Anna then got an unexpected eyeful of cock in man's ass? Gio admits he purposely didn't label the scenes as TS for fear of driving away traffic from other content. WTF Gio?

The level of contempt towards customers is astounding.

What is astounding is people that is not able to fucking read.

This is what I wrote: "- To add a Label "Trans" on the thumb of the scene (something like the "new" icon") will just drive more traffic away from other content."
will just drive
this is future, not something in the past.

Without to even mention LP doest have a icon TRANS to place somewhere on the thumb.

"he purposely didn't label the scenes as TS for fear of driving away traffic from other content. "
No I did not fucking admin that, not even close. I told that to do something like this in future maybe penalize the other content

"How many bought the scene simply for Nicole or Anna then got an unexpected eyeful of cock in man's ass? "
No fucking one, because people watch the trailer and than decide to purchase the content, so they watched 3 trailers, purchased the content with a t-girl and shitted almost on all december production. And now what? Are they all gay as someone is so arrogant to assume?
No even close they just liked the scene and contest, even probably more than deserved, this tell a lot on who consume trans porn that is the same people that consume "normal" porn.

And its right, there few website where trans content goes along with other content, no one say LP should do the same, its really not important for most of users otherwise the 3 part xmas movie should have been unsold, but its ok to respect who really cant stand a trans, but on the other side also who cant stand pee or prolapse should have the same opportunity.

T-girl would attract more users that will be probably buy also scenes without t-girls sometimes, something that is not happening with many pee users that claim to buy only wet content and ignore all the rest. This is something very positive also for other users: more sales, more budget, better content.

Overall, what I see in the forum on xmas days is really miserable, and its not a matter of t-girls or what ever, but how people hidden behind a computer are writing with so much rage and hate... came on its xmas...

[TheVulture]

With all respect I find very homophobic the issue with t-girls

That's a dubious (dare I say borderline ugly) comment there Giorgio. Many people - myself included - are somewhat uncomfortable with the idea of transgenderism and this has nothing whatsoever to do with homophobia.

As a socialist who is involved in left wing activism I often find myself involved in debates around transgenderism with (generally) liberal types, who are mostly well-meaning but IMHO often somewhat idealistic. A particular practical issue that arises a lot is that of the use by trans people of female toilets and changing rooms in public areas, which many women have very genuine (and very understandable) concerns about. For this and other reasons I would declare myself to be trans-sceptical as opposed to transphobic. I don't wish ill towards anyone and certainly sympathise with anyone who has the very real medical condition of gender dysphoria but I stop short of being comfortable with the idea of someone attempting to physically change their sex at birth, which essentially cannot be done beyond a very primitive level and also creates very many practical problems for wider society which cannot simply be overcome through understanding and education. There is a reason that we have in-built instincts as humans and feel a need to categorise people we are meeting for the first time in certain ways, which in the case of women can often include a large safety element (eg assessing threat etc.) These are the practical issues with which transgenderism will have to engage in order to achieve widespread acceptance and I have personally yet to see serious evidence of that. For some the idea of self-identification as the opposite sex to birth is liberating and to be celebrated, for others (most I would suggest) troubling and/or confusing. Hurling unfounded insults at those in the latter category cannot possibly be a path to the widespread acceptance of transgenderism.

I've extended this discussion a little beyond that of trans porn but the important point to be made here is that accusing someone opposing transgenderism of homophobia is very definitely not helpful and only succeeds in unnecessarily muddying the waters. Transgender rights have nothing whatsoever to do with gay and lesbian rights. I abhor homophobia in all of its forms yet reserve the right to remain sceptical about transgenderism. This I think is a fairly widely-held view across most of Western society. Gay and lesbian rights were long ago rightly enshrined in law in most advanced countries of the world. Transgenderism will have to continue to fight its battles from a much less advanced position.

[dan_3451]

Transgender? Serious?

by makaveli08 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:26 pm

Im really disappointed giorgio. Sorry but transsexusl with girls are disgusting. I hope this is a spezial scene! And not the start of disgusting transgender porn. I hope im not the only who one who think so. Nothing for me and not naturally
. Who is with me?

totalmente deacuerdo contigo

[TheVulture]

More specifically on the porn front, I certainly endorse those saying that trans porn needs to be labelled as such. I do find it worrying that Giorgio seems to be saying that trans performers might just feature in "regular" scenes moving forward. I've been a subscriber to Evil Angel before and was happy that they allowed me to filter out trans scenes. If LP is to produce trans content it surely must follow this model. This isn't about me being a "snowflake" or overly sensitive but about genuine consumer choice. Transgendered people make up a tiny percentage of the world's population so it's somewhat odd to suggest that having a trans performer appear in a porn scene is in any way normal. Imagine a 10 stud on 1 girl scene where the guys just start fucking each other halfway through. Perfectly valid porn yet I find it inconceivable that Giorgio wouldn't label this as gay/bi porn and statistically speaking it would be much more normal than transgender sex and also probably appeal to a wider audience.

Porn is probably something of an outlier microcosm where transgenderism is concerned. Because there are established performers and a ready-made audience for it, someone like Giorgio and the very liberated porn stars he works with are more likely to view transgenderism as the norm than the wider (mostly non porn watching) public, most of whom will very rarely (if ever) encounter a transgendered person. That doesn't make his approach to it better or worse than ordinary people, merely different and cultivated against a more liberal background. If Giorgio is happy with the sales of this initial trans scene he may well be tempted to throw caution to the wind and liberalise his output without any trans labelling and that is of course his right as a businessman. However, this would be a commercial risk as well as morally dubious (by which I mean the non-advertising of trans performers as opposed to them per se). Will his new found trans fanbase replace those potentially lost by such liberalisation? And are they in it for the long-term? Ultimately that is for Giorgio to decide. Personally I'm not liberal enough around transgenderism to accept scene cross-pollination of that nature but I am an adult so I'll make an informed choice on the basis of developments.

[DarkEden]

I completely agree with Giorgio regarding his comments about homophobia. It's exactly the same. The LGBTQ+ community support their trans brothers and sisters - aside from a few splitter groups funded/organised by heterosexuals or people with axes to grind.

You just don't want to be called a homophobe, because that's a bad thing in the UK nowadays, whereas transphobia is suddenly all the rage.

No one is arguing that you have to internally accept transgender people as the gender they feel/present to the world. No one is arguing you have to deny biology. They're saying:

1) Don't like transwomen in porn? Fine, don't buy that specific pornographic content.
2) Don't misgender people or use hate speech to refer to a minority, especially because you're angry regarding the output of a porn site.
3) Be kind to people. If you don't like it, just keep quiet.

@Giorgio, genuinely, my fiance and I have enjoyed your work for a few years now. However, with your statements in this thread, you've genuinely shown what kind of decent person you are. I agree entirely that you should ignore the loudmouths on this forum and stick to what makes you profit. And I absolutely adore that you're willing to call out bigotry and prejudice.

[TheVulture]

You just don't want to be called a homophobe, because that's a bad thing in the UK nowadays, whereas transphobia is suddenly all the rage.

I don't want to be called a homophobe because I'm not a homophobe. There's really nothing complicated about that.

Define "transphobia". Would it include being uncomfortable/queasy about transgenderism without wishing anyone of transgender orientation any ill will? If so it seems rather broad and conveniently "catch all" for your purposes. For me phobia would have to imply hate and/or intolerance, which don't enter the equation in my case.

I think that like a lot of pro-trans campaigners you use the LGBT tag towards your own ends. This concerns me because it feels like transgenderism - very different from lesbian and gay rights - thus gets to piggy back on other rights that have been hard fought and won over many decades. I do not have an axe to grind with transgender campaigners but would certainly respect them more if they fought their own battles rather than hiding behind other campaigns. I have never personally been comfortable with the term LGBT for this reason. I don't see a direct connection between gay and lesbian rights and transgenderism. For me the latter must fight its own battles in a difficult world.

[DarkEden]

It's very simple. Don't misgender them. Feel queasy? Sure. But yes, misgendering, calling them men etc, is literally transphoboa.

I'm not a 'campaigner' - unless you're an anti-transgender campaigner? Classic DARVO from you. I'm just a person who believes in protections for minorities.

Also, there's no piggybacking. Trans people were part of the stonewall riots. I was AT the NUS LGBT as a delegate in 2004 when the T was added by vote. Both presidents at the time were cisgender Lesbians. It was a pretty unanimous vote.

You might not see it, but the majority of the LGBT community does see the link. We're happy to help our trans sisters and brothers fight their battle, just as Trans people stood alongside the LGB in every battle since the 1960s.

[TheVulture]

It's very simple. Don't misgender them. Feel queasy? Sure. But yes, misgendering, calling them men etc, is literally transphoboa.

Well that's OK then because I never did that. Maybe you should pay closer attention to my comments before trying to label me.

Also it's a little odd to see you praise Giorgio's work when in the other thread you referred to this site as "a forum dedicated to the degradation of women through extreme pornographic acts." Isn't that a little contradictory?

[DarkEden]

Not at all. Unlike the trans exclusionary/sex worker exclusionary radical feminists, I actually think this site is erotic and empowering.

The point I was making was that the talking points you are repeating are coming from people who literally would make sites like this a crime if they could. THEY see it as denigration. I see it as what it is - consensual kink at the extreme end of the spectrum. When my fiance and I have rough sex, can I separate the act from the rest of the relationship? Yes. Just like here. But drinking piss/being slapped etc is still degrading regardless. My issue is that I'm happy to consent to that. TERFS/SWERFS are not.

And on the misgendering- I didn't say you did. But you jumped in and started arguing with me in the first place purely because I expressed displeasure in people misgendering Natalie. You didn't do it, but jumped to the defence of and justified/vindicated people doing so.