Freddy Gong "I'm gonna rape you"

[TheVulture]

Said at least twice about halfway through the Natasha Ink scene.

Giorgio - is this now acceptable behaviour in your scenes?

Are there any other LP actors planning to say this that I need to blacklist? Freddy is now very definitely on my such list - no way I'm risking another scene he's in. I already had an issue with his ever-increasing ego but this is just disgusting.

Natasha was fantastic in this scene and deserved better than this misogynistic bullying behaviour that has frankly dragged LP into the gutter IMHO.

[JayJams]

Pot...
Kettle...
BLACK...
...YOU

LOL, Take a look around. Where you're at/posting right now & what you watch, to the normal world/majority, you are a vile, disgusting, misogynistic, perv.
Just sayin.

[TheVulture]

Pot...
Kettle...
BLACK...
...YOU

LOL, Take a look around. Where you're at/posting right now & what you watch, to the normal world/majority, you are a vile, disgusting, misogynistic, perv.
Just sayin.

Some people think that any porn (and especially hardcore LP style porn) is in itself disgusting and misogynistic, sure. But they would be wrong in my opinion. Hard consensual porn is something I love and am passionate about (as was my ex gf - it's not just a bloke-y thing you know).

Rape porn is a very different thing, however. I don't want to see it and certainly will not pay to support it.

You genuinely don't differentiate between those 2 styles?

[ZiziMinuscule]

C'est vous, The Vulture.

[Bummer-Harris]

This is a question of description on behalf of LP. They need to make the buyer know the type of action contained within. Thus the buyer can make an informed choice.

If performers have given consent and laid out beforehand what they are comfortable with then that's their business. LP and other producers need to show and demonstrate that is the case.
My question to TheVulture: Do you feel this was the case here?

JayJams, you are attacking OP with subjectivity which isn't helping matters.

[TheVulture]

This is a question of description on behalf of LP. They need to make the buyer know the type of action contained within. Thus the buyer can make an informed choice.

If performers have given consent and laid out beforehand what they are comfortable with then that's their business. LP and other producers need to show and demonstrate that is the case.
My question to TheVulture: Do you feel this was the case here?

JayJams, you are attacking OP with subjectivity which isn't helping matters.

Well, what is very strange about this incident is that it happens about halfway through the scene. So Freddy has been fucking Natasha for ages by this point. There isn't any non-consensual element to the scene apart from the language Freddy uses here. Natasha for her part is in doggy position and waiting for Freddy to fuck her when he says it and she looks a little confused by it (understandably) but that is all. Bear in mind also that she gives a very enthusiastic performance throughout the scene (saying "Yes!", "I love this!" etc.), which only serves to make Freddy's actions all the more weird.

Much like they do generally (in my opinion) both Freddy and Dylan (but particularly Freddy) were very verbally domineering throughout the scene, telling Natasha what to say, sort of belittling her a bit in my opinion, just acting very egocentric in general. It's something I have come to expect from them and did make me wary of buying the scene as I don't like male porn performers like that (I want the girls to be the stars of the show and to be allowed to show their natural slutty side without being dominated or overpowered physically and/or verbally). It felt a bit to me like they didn't like the fact that she was enjoying herself and thus felt the need to always make it more "edgy" and uncomfortable for her so they were the dominant forces in the scene. I thus can only assume that was what was going through Freddy's mind - perhaps a combination of "She won't like this" and "Here's how I prove I'm still the boss" etc.

So there's no real sense that it crossed any pre-agreed boundaries, although I would certainly be surprised if it was the case that Natasha was explicitly advised before the scene that Freddy would use that line. Only really the performers or director (or Giorgio perhaps) could answer that and my guess is that they will choose not to.

For my part I'm not sure if I think it's better or worse that the line appeared in an otherwise consensual (albeit male dominant) scene than if it appeared in a scene that was given an obviously rape-y premise (except to say that I would never, ever go anywhere near such a scene) but the bottom line is that I never want to hear that kind of rubbish in a porn scene and Freddy is now blacklisted from my porn buying (he was going this way because of his ridiculous ego anyway, to be honest). The scene for me is now essentially useless just because I know that line is in there, which is perhaps more of a "zero tolerance" line than most porn consumers would apply but there you go. [As an aside, the scene also suffers from the camera hyperactivity I've raised in another thread so it was up against it from my point of view even without this]

I would very much welcome Giorgio's comments on the matter, which is why I addressed my original post directly at him. Whether he knew about it is largely irrelevant - what I want to know is what he thinks of it now that he knows about it and whether it is likely to appear in future scenes. To wit, is it "fair game" or does he agree that it would be a good idea to insist that his male performers don't go down this route?

I would also love to know what either Natasha or any other female porn stars make of it. Has it happened to them (ie others)? What did they think? If not, what would they be likely to think?

To others who haven't seen this scene, my question is very simple - if this did appear in a scene that you liked what would you think? Good thing? Bad thing? Utterly neutral/indifferent?

In my opinion it is a worrying development but I will say that I stopped being surprised about new unpleasant elements in porn a long, long time ago. In many ways porn is much, much better than it was about 15-20 years ago but in many ways this progress has also come at a price.

[InsideA41YearOldGirl]

In my opinion, he was just saying it to psych himself up. Scenes like these take hours to shoot, I presume they try to keep a boner in any way they can and I will not kink shame someone over imagining to rape someone.

[HwtOxc8K]

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[TheVulture]

https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=20896&p=222076

I did see this topic and generally I agree with you. Freddy does call Natasha a bitch a lot in this scene and to be fair to her she does respond ("Yeah I am a bitch!") but it's also fair to mention that she doesn't really have a choice. I don't think it's as bad as using the rape line but I agree that it's unnecessary. Really the only thing you can do is take a stand and not buy any scenes that he's in (as I've decided to do) in the hope that this sends a message to Giorgio and LP.

As for the comment that he's using the rape line to psych himself up, I can see that but at the same time if you're having to do that then shouldn't you question whether you're in the right job? Freddy is a grown man so must be aware that many women watching the scenes (yes they do exist) as well as possibly some men may themselves have been raped or subject to sexual assaults etc. - how is that kind of comment going to play with them? I'm sure they don't watch porn (consensual sex performed by pros) to be reminded of that. Quite possibly Natasha or another female co-star may have been through such a trauma as well. It's not the kind of term anyone should throw around lightly in any scenario so I'm certainly not going to give him (or anyone else) a free pass on the grounds that it's a tough job and hey it's obviously consensual because it's a porn scene so what's the problem? When you introduce that kind of stuff (for whatever reason) you take the scene into a different place than that originally advertised, as Bummer-Harris mentions. Put simply it isn't a throwaway comment or a subject to be taken lightly. I would hope that Freddy regrets it and on reflection decides not to do it again but obviously we will see.

[YumYum74]

I agree with the op. Unless the scene is based on a scenario that suggests rape (why anyone would want to see that is beyond me btw but that's another discussion), such lines have absolutely no reason to be included in scenes. None.

I know for a fact at least one girl in porn (as I'm sure there have to be more) has experienced a rape in real life (it was outside of porn). While she has apparently been able to move past that and continue in her job, I wouldn't want to see her being addressed this way in a scene (she has shot for LP although not with FG as far as I know).

Even if it was agreed beforehand to use this language in the scene that started this thread, I think it should be tagged as such. It is crossing a red line for me and my guess is there are plenty of customers that feel the same way.

[davebowman]

That's nothing - check out GIO942 where the dialogue literally goes up to "kill her"

[Giorgio Grandi]

I dont like it much as well, but I dont see it so terrible.
I personally do not like when a boy calls a girl "bitch", I prefer slut as it makes more sense to me.
I would personally never fuck a bitch, the idea to call someone bitch to me is not connected to the sex, I would never fuck a girl that I consider a bitch, in fact I would probably not even talk to her.

To me the bottom line is that we shoot porn, nothing so educational so i do not know what to answer except I would not have any problem to avoid "rape" and "bitch" in my movies (I actually told it many time, I will tell it again to the boys)

[Bummer-Harris]

I dont like it much as well, but I dont see it so terrible.

Well I and (I get the impression from this thread) others feel it's beyond the pale.
I have not bought the said scene, but I would not be happy if it this sort of thing showed up without a warning/signpost/tag before hand.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I will write a note about this to actors and my cameraman

[Bummer-Harris]

Gio, it occurs to me that some of the above comments your actors have allegedly made may well not be legal in some places.
Not a legal expert but again labelling your films would be useful.

[dap-addict]

I will write a note about this to actors and my cameraman

Thanks, Giorgio!

[SimplyStunning]

This is one of the dumbest threads that I have read on LP. It is almost laughable if it wasn't dealing with such a serious topic. So for the few contributors to this thread, you are telling us that you are so appalled by an actor saying "I'm gonna rape you" or the word "Bitch" that you are participating in a consumer intervention thread.

I'm confused because these instances are where you feel you have to take a stand by starting or contributing to this thread but don't mention the elephant in the room which is the actual acts being simulated repeatedly in some of the scenes mentioned and many others not brought up. So it is okay to:

• choke a woman until she has to tap your hand that she can't breathe
• physically control her by yanking her hair
• grab her by the throat and throw her around so she is disoriented
• repeatedly slap her in the face until it turns red
• slap her ass until it gets bruised
• spit and piss in her face like a human toilet

the above is what you are calling sexual is what I gather from this thread even though it simulates rape but since it is called "manhandling" or "demeaning" its okay but an actor can't say "bitch" or "I'm gonna rape you" without causing an uproar. WTF

I gathered a couple of scene titles one from every studio that I could find that should be retitled not to offend anyone:

• Manhandled like a bitch, Claudia Macc reduced to a dog eating her own ass juice. Deep Gagging, DP/DAP/ATM/Cum cocktail GIO085
• Young cute bitch Nicolette Noir first time in studio. DP, 1 position DAP FM012
• Tanata huge russian slut ass fucked (bitch loves hard fucking) GG304 (exclusive)
• Bitch Sonya Durganova is back to try 3 cocks..she got double anal with gapes and prolapse IV160
• dumb bitch gets assed fucked Sineplex
• Sexy Office Bitch Kitana Lure begs for Anal Sex & Facial cumshot GP512
• Slut Women - Maddy O'Reilly 4on1 DP candy coloured AirTight salad tossing dirty bitch. SZ1582

Lets at least try to be consistent with our criticism and not make it look like an obvious personal vendetta on a particular actor you don't like

[SimplyStunning]

continuing:
I can also easily find many instances of what IMO is worst than actually using those words that did not cause much of a stir as this thread drawing attention from a director. Also at least one director using the word now taboo of "Bitch"

[TheVulture]

Well, that would seem to be the best non sequitur argument I've ever come across on here (and perhaps anywhere).

To sum up, because I don't like the use of the words "rape" and "bitch" and outline this here but don't mention anything else specifically in this thread I must by definition like everything else that happens on LP.

If you knew anything about my porn preferences you would know that I do indeed object to face-slapping, throat-grabbing etc. and find them a complete turn-off. That said, I can accept that they have a place in porn if certain actresses enjoy such acts and consent to them. A big problem for me is when these acts become kind of "default" settings and are not labelled as such.

The point here is that for me it is never acceptable to use this kind of language in porn. Rape in particular is not sexy.

Basically this is a perfect example of why you should always stick to the topic raised in the thread and not jump to any conclusions.

[plajvaz]

+1

I completely agree with TheVulture.

[dirty_bastard999336]

+1... He is a scene crapper.

[Luby]

Can you tell me about with movie you talk?
This sentence goes to far, but if they call them bitch, slut or whatever its fine for me, that belongs to porn and i think most models dont really have a problem with that,

[dap-addict]

the above is what you are calling sexual is what I gather from this thread even though it simulates rape but since it is called "manhandling" or "demeaning" its okay but an actor can't say "bitch" or "I'm gonna rape you" without causing an uproar. WTF

WTF! What you describe are usual on-set porn-side acts - and manhandling is all but rape simulation, but rather a porn play of passionate sex with sub/dom undertones. If such lust played on here for you turns into simulation of one of the most hideous crime its probably the wrong place for you because all LP philosophy is exactly the contrary, its all about consenting adults playing out lust that trespasses borders set by repressive and chauvinist society, denying women to reclaim their true sexual needs, and be it to get demeaned on the safe ground of a porn set.
Now, this doesn't include Freddy Gongs words of course, lest such a scene was a crime fantasy scene played out by consenting adults on a porn set, which the scene referred to clearly wasnt. So far LP Prague doesnt shoot such scenes, even though quite a few girls have asked for it. Manhandling and deafening as in GIO397/8 are different pairs of shoes, though.

[dap-addict]

Another complaint from Zoe Sparks model thread:

On the negative side: Again Freddy "Tipfucker" Gong disturbed and almost ruined the scene with his annoying permanent "Yööh, bütch!" pseudo-ghettoslang and with pretending to be a hard fucker, but putting only half of his cock in her ass.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Oh came on, I dont get the point to continue bothering about one or another actors (in negative or positive way).
There is not only your point of view, express it when you wish, but it is pointless to continue telling the same think all over and over because it wont change the situation.

Freddy has a very big dick, the kind of dick that up in the ass could hurt, so he fucks how the model can handle it, not more. Regarding his "ghetto" talking, Im not a fan, but as a guy who shot interracial over 25 year told me: "... this is part of the interracial niche".

[dap-addict]

Freddy has a very big dick, the kind of dick that up in the ass could hurt, so he fucks how the model can handle it, not more. Regarding his "ghetto" talking, Im not a fan, but as a guy who shot interracial over 25 year told me: "... this is part of the interracial niche".

Thats right.
Still he could cut it a bit.
I agree about his big BBC, its better not to go too fast and deep with such one. Besides, the tip-fucking critic isn't mine, I took that only citing other poster.

[keeddy]

Looks like American political correctness nonsense is spilling over to Europe. I have news for you, porn is fantasy.

[SimplyStunning]

Regarding his "ghetto" talking, Im not a fan, but as a guy who shot interracial over 25 year told me: "... this is part of the interracial niche".

It is time to let that part of interracial porn die a quick death and not emulate it. I'm not a fan of Greg Lanksy artsy porn but one thing he does great is develop his own style and avoid that black ghetto stereotype. Maybe once in a while that bullshit ghetto style can be shown but I hope it is clear that not every black person is poor jive talking fool from the hood just like every white person isn't a toothless country slinging fool from a trailer park. Why not be better and concentrate on delivering intense and hot scenes with beautiful women.

[tekaneo]

Regarding his "ghetto" talking, Im not a fan, but as a guy who shot interracial over 25 year told me: "... this is part of the interracial niche".

It is time to let that part of interracial porn die a quick death and not emulate it. I'm not a fan of Greg Lanksy artsy porn but one thing he does great is develop his own style and avoid that black ghetto stereotype. Maybe once in a while that bullshit ghetto style can be shown but I hope it is clear that not every black person is poor jive talking fool from the hood just like every white person isn't a toothless country slinging fool from a trailer park. Why not be better and concentrate on delivering intense and hot scenes with beautiful women.

I feel all of this is like a crusade over Freddy and thats all. Some of you shouldn't look a scene more than what it is: a fantasy and stop "reading" between lines and try to show things where there aren't or complaining constantly about things that are totally irrelevant. If you dont like this actor just dont buy the scene same as if you dont like some girls or pissing scenes but reading some comments here like the "Yööh, bütch!" its so childish in my opinion.

As i say this thread its like when you dont like a thing for the first time, its impossible it will end liking to you because for you its: no no and no

Stop this crusade over Freddy because it makes no sense in any of the ways.

[TheVulture]

Regarding his "ghetto" talking, Im not a fan, but as a guy who shot interracial over 25 year told me: "... this is part of the interracial niche".

If that's the case then how come Joachim and the rest of the IV guys never engage in any of that behaviour? That's just a lame excuse - it's potentially even racist in the way that it stereotypes black male porn performers. Certain white male porn guys are just as adept as their black counterparts at engaging in misogynistic trash talk. This isn't a race thing.

Ultimately it's up to you how you approach Freddy and what parameters you set for your scenes Giorgio but his continued repellent behaviour has ensured that I personally won't buy a scene with him in until I'm sure he knows how to treat his female co-performers with respect.

[MaxJ]

Regarding his "ghetto" talking, Im not a fan, but as a guy who shot interracial over 25 year told me: "... this is part of the interracial niche".

It is time to let that part of interracial porn die a quick death and not emulate it. I'm not a fan of Greg Lanksy artsy porn but one thing he does great is develop his own style and avoid that black ghetto stereotype. Maybe once in a while that bullshit ghetto style can be shown but I hope it is clear that not every black person is poor jive talking fool from the hood just like every white person isn't a toothless country slinging fool from a trailer park. Why not be better and concentrate on delivering intense and hot scenes with beautiful women.

I feel all of this is like a crusade over Freddy and thats all. Some of you shouldn't look a scene more than what it is: a fantasy and stop "reading" between lines and try to show things where there aren't or complaining constantly about things that are totally irrelevant. If you dont like this actor just dont buy the scene same as if you dont like some girls or pissing scenes but reading some comments here like the "Yööh, bütch!" its so childish in my opinion.

As i say this thread its like when you dont like a thing for the first time, its impossible it will end liking to you because for you its: no no and no

Stop this crusade over Freddy because it makes no sense in any of the ways.

This.

[Moxoxo]

Regarding his "ghetto" talking, Im not a fan, but as a guy who shot interracial over 25 year told me: "... this is part of the interracial niche".

If that's the case then how come Joachim and the rest of the IV guys never engage in any of that behaviour? That's just a lame excuse - it's potentially even racist in the way that it stereotypes black male porn performers. Certain white male porn guys are just as adept as their black counterparts at engaging in misogynistic trash talk. This isn't a race thing.

Ultimately it's up to you how you approach Freddy and what parameters you set for your scenes Giorgio but his continued repellent behaviour has ensured that I personally won't buy a scene with him in until I'm sure he knows how to treat his female co-performers with respect.

Agree with that