GIO DAPs with gonzo girls selling better

[dap-addict]

Just realized that Mina's last DAPs sold better directed by GIO than Luis.
Since Mina is perceived as closely associated with gonzo, this is a big success actually!

Talking about this scene:
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/44217/monsters_of_dap_mina_gets_4on1_balls_deep_anal_dap_gapes_4_swallow_gio1070

Same happened with Alexa Flaxy's DAPs, btw.

[Wotan29]

I know you´re a Giorgio fanguy and promote him a lot as he delivers you the most stuff for your DAP-addiction, but please stay fair. Sometimes it is vice versa, too: For example this month Anna de Ville´s Gonzo DAP scene selled better than her GIO DAP scene. What I can´t understand at all. In terms of intensity and having fun Giorgio´s scene was MILES BETTER than the somehow boring Gonzo scene.

I already know your answer...

[teammelee15]

While Mina's GG scene was alright....

Gonzo's shooting of her was far better.

Just the fact that she took Mac and Chris Diamond DAP.......Ya

Hard to beat that now a days.....

But overall GG's guys definitely f#cked Mina wayyyy more DAP but.....doesn't look as good imo....

Either way glad she is getting some scenes in both studios. Shes kinda cute and looks good taking 2 dicks.

[dap-addict]

...but please stay fair. Sometimes it is vice versa, too...

Of course it is sth!
What I am saying is - also in other threads recently - that usually girl smitten into LP porn culture by one of the main two studios dont really sell well with the other studio.
Here it was different. Especially Mina is a clear gonzo smitten in girl.
Anna de Ville in these terms doest count as she's a gonzo girl anyway.
And no, its not about studio preference at all, its juts facts!

[SimplyStunning]

Unless you are looking at piss content scenes whatever point you are trying to make doesn't hold up as Mina
DP
DP AND DV
Triple Penetration
DA scenes all outsold Giorgio.

Same is true for Alexa her 1 Giorgio lab DP and 2 Gonzo scene DP scenes outsold her Giorgio DA scene.

The problem is we can actually compare studios because Giorgios girls are only exclusive to him.

[dap-addict]

I am talking of Minas 2019 comeback scenes, not her old works of course.
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[SimplyStunning]

So what you are doing is actually narrowing the timeline until you can make whatever point you are trying to make

Well playing that game sz2109 (February 2019) and sz2117 (March 2019) are still currently higher selling than gio1070 (May 2019). So what is your next point ? That you are only considering scenes that were released between May 21, 2019 at 11:59pm and May 23, 2019 12:00am.

[Giorgio Grandi]

It’s normal gonzo’s scenes are better ranked in general: Gonzo sells “monthly” package with about 70% discount that affect rank of scenes.
I already wrote about this. Apparently when I write something, no one read and continue just to tell about what he likes only.

[SimplyStunning]

^Who is the he Giorgio ?

dap-addict for making this dumb thread.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Its a "general observation", I wrote this when I was just awake, sitting on the toilet.

I see a trend where users ask for determinate sex acts claiming they sell good and I should shoot more, but it cant be a general topic, each model should be analyzed independently and with more data.
I explain this, I write it again:
A small group of models that belongs to some particular "looking" sells on sexual act different that DAP, not because of the sexual act, but because of her appearance.
All the other models (really the majority of the models) sells because of the sexual act more than because of the appearance.

^Who is the he Giorgio ?

dap-addict for making this dumb thread.

[xxx]

Even if we added to her Giorgio scene the equivalent of the gonzo monthly packs she would still be much lower. The reality is that both of Mina's last scene (1 for Gonzo, 1 for Giorgio), under-performed. People are simply not supporting her like they used to.

[Moxoxo]

[quote="xxx"]Even if we added to her Giorgio scene the equivalent of the gonzo monthly packs she would still be much lower. The reality is that both of Mina's last scene (1 for Gonzo, 1 for Giorgio), under-performed. People are simply not supporting her like they used to.[/quote
The main question about supporting is that users writing here bad things about the girl's, guys, scenes. I thing Sites like this will disapear in a few years. Actors have own websites, cams, they make good Money with their Audience. They do what their whant without forcing and pain ( i know rough sex is a little about pain ). But Money is Always a dealbreaker and directors will shot what sells most. Just my 5 cent's

[magizi877]

For me there is a huge difference between Mina's first couple of scenes,
and the recent scenes you guys made after her comeback.

In her old scenes, Stefano was holding the camera. lol



OK, that doesn't help much, I'll explain.

Both Luis and Giorgio, SUCK! real bad, at capturing the facial expressions of the models.

They often react too slowly. By the time they move the camera to the model face,
the critical facial expression is gone.

ALSO, they try to force a facial close up, when nothing critical is happening.

Heck, Luis moves the camera to the model face, mostly after a cut.

If I were to explain why this happen, my theory is that both Luis and Giorgio, run on a schedule.
Like, they are filling a quota of all the camera angles that they want in the movie, regardless of what's happening.

And IMO, Stefano was filming the movie, more in lines of how the action was developing,
so his movies had a bit more chaotic camera style but IMO were more visceral to look at.

If you watch Mina's old scenes, there are plenty of parts where Stefano is not even showing the dicks,
the camera angle is concentrated at showing the model face.

That's a common trait of all his movies IMO, my favorite LP scene is the first 3 on 1 with Katie Sottile,
mostly because Katie's face reacting to Kid fucking her is mind-blowing, lol.

What I'm trying to say is that Mina's old scenes were more magical IMO.
Even though she can clearly can take dicks better now. Her old scenes give me more emotions.

That's just my opinion, tho.

[teammelee15]

For me there is a huge difference between Mina's first couple of scenes,
and the recent scenes you guys made after her comeback.

In her old scenes, Stefano was holding the camera. lol



OK, that doesn't help much, I'll explain.

Both Luis and Giorgio, SUCK! real bad, at capturing the facial expressions of the models.

They often react too slowly. By the time they move the camera to the model face,
the critical facial expression is gone.

ALSO, they try to force a facial close up, when nothing critical is happening.

Heck, Luis moves the camera to the model face, mostly after a cut.

If I were to explain why this happen, my theory is that both Luis and Giorgio, run on a schedule.
Like, they are filling a quota of all the camera angles that they want in the movie, regardless of what's happening.

And IMO, Stefano was filming the movie, more in lines of how the action was developing,
so his movies had a bit more chaotic camera style but IMO were more visceral to look at.

If you watch Mina's old scenes, there are plenty of parts where Stefano is not even showing the dicks,
the camera angle is concentrated at showing the model face.

That's a common trait of all his movies IMO, my favorite LP scene is the first 3 on 1 with Katie Sottile,
mostly because Katie's face reacting to Kid fucking her is mind-blowing, lol.

What I'm trying to say is that Mina's old scenes were more magical IMO.
Even though she can clearly can take dicks better now. Her old scenes give me more emotions.

That's just my opinion, tho.

God your dumb....

Ya because zooming on the gals face (when she is moaning) is sooooooooooo much better then seeing EVERYTHING going on in the scene.....

Like her seeing 2 dicks pounding her legs spread and all....

This isn't 1990 with VHS tapes dude...ffs

This is 4k video were you DONT have to zoom into the genitals to see her pussy lips or face....Guess what? You can see things in nearly 100% clarity!

So calling Luis and GG bad....because they dont zoom in her fing face....Really?

Sh%t ive made the OPPOSITE argument to NEVER just zoom into her face unless shes getting choked or deep throated....

Keep as much action in the scene as POSSIBLE!

[dap-addict]

It’s normal gonzo’s scenes are better ranked in general: Gonzo sells “monthly” package with about 70% discount that affect rank of scenes.
I already wrote about this. Apparently when I write something, no one read and continue just to tell about what he likes only.

Seems you got me wrong, Giorgio:
All I said was despite all disadvantages playing against you in rank counting, the last Mina 2019 comeback DAP you shot sold better than Luis' for gonzo. That's a success!
Its a success because its not easy to reach a better rank under such conditions, the more with a girl clearly associated with gonzo so far.

Even if we added to her Giorgio scene the equivalent of the gonzo monthly packs she would still be much lower. The reality is that both of Mina's last scene (1 for Gonzo, 1 for Giorgio), under-performed. People are simply not supporting her like they used to.

Yep.
Sadly.
Now question is is it because of Minas 2019 comeback condition and performance attitude, is it because her DAP novelty effect is simply gone meanwhile, or what...?


Next question is in which directors hands Mina could still grow a bit yet in her hopefully next 2019 re-booking?
And also which LP studs pairing will make her perform better again?

One problem I see in her 2019 scenes is that she had to wait too long to get on set at all. That long wait sure affected her self-esteem. But here we get into difficult girl's psychology...

[teammelee15]

It’s normal gonzo’s scenes are better ranked in general: Gonzo sells “monthly” package with about 70% discount that affect rank of scenes.
I already wrote about this. Apparently when I write something, no one read and continue just to tell about what he likes only.

Seems you got me wrong, Giorgio:
All I said was despite all disadvantages playing against you in rank counting, the last Mina 2019 comeback DAP you shot sold better than Luis' for gonzo. That's a success!
Its a success because its not easy to reach a better rank under such conditions, the more with a girl clearly associated with gonzo so far.

Even if we added to her Giorgio scene the equivalent of the gonzo monthly packs she would still be much lower. The reality is that both of Mina's last scene (1 for Gonzo, 1 for Giorgio), under-performed. People are simply not supporting her like they used to.

Yep.
Sadly
Now question is is it because of Minas 2019 comeback condition and performance attitude, is it because her DAP novelty effect is simply gone meanwhile, or what...?


Next question is in which directors hands Mina could still grow a bit yet in her hopefully next 2019 re-booking?
And also which LP studs pairing will make her perform better again?

One problem I see in her 2019 scenes is that she had to wait too long to get on set at all. That long wait sure affected her self-esteem. But here we get into difficult girl's psychology...

Ya...Pretty much

She did TP, Piss, Took the two biggest dicks on here DAP, Manhandled, BBC, 10 on 1....ahhh ya

So she did it pretty much all except TAP.....

This is where almost EVER girl hits the end of the road unfortunately...

Could they shoot more scenes with her? Sure....But it wont be much different then anything else she has already done so....It wont sell well.

Solution???

Shoot 2 girl scenes!!!! Mix it up!

But Gonzo at least DOESN'T do this...Unless it's fisting, or piss. They never have 2 girls daping....EVER

Maybe GG shot more scenes with her and another girl??? But as of late with hardly any 2 girl scenes....I doubt it.

So basically she is used up sadly....

Which sucks because I like her and she does DAP very well....But it's business....

[dap-addict]

You seem to apply a very americanized model of porn career, like step on step always a bit more difficult to perform.
Transfered to LP this model is simple 3on1 DP to wet TAP. But that level or just below reached a girls career in Europe isn't done!
What you have to create, however is sustainable fanbase for a given girl, than shoot her in different moods and different gear, maybe some cosplay, some story from time to time and also pair her with other girls once in a while (not always, 1 out of 5 scenes maybe), vary the studs she's fucking with etc. In some cases passing her to different LP directors also works, in some it simply doesn't.

Only problem is not every girl is made for that, not every girl has that much base user support, not every girl wants to stay in this biz that long or commit herself that much.

Now translated to Mina' case: She came to Prague just after the curfew was over and she stayed for many weeks - like she really wanted to become an LP regular. But is her talent, body type and overall visual attractiveness, character, on-set performance, reliability etc. good for this? And if not, can she improve? What is needed to make her sustainable for 2 years?

Thus again first step I suggest going back to both of her last 2019 shot come-back scenes released so far and just comparing them. This gives first answers...

[YumYum74]

I’m on a short break so actually didn’t wanna post anything during that time, but making an exception even though I doubt my opinion counts for anything since I’m (probably) Mina’s biggest fan on this forum and I might come off as too much of a fan instead of looking at it rationally.

I do not agree she is ‘used up’, at all! But the fact remains that her last two scenes didn’t do what they were supposed to saleswise. Why is this? This might not be my thing to say since I buy anything with her, but I’m gonna give it a go anyway.

Her latest Gonzo scene was indeed one of the weaker ones. In my opinion it is because the scene was too similar to some of her other scenes from last year. Three on one with the basic positions and nothing more. Good enough for me but apparently not for enough people right now.

Her Gio scene was fantastic (again, for me). The sex was more intense than in her latest Gonzo release and she seemed to really enjoy herself as well, which is a big bonus in my book. Judging by this I was really hoping Mina could transfer into a girl being shot by Giorgio again in some of his other scenarios. But reading the above that is unlikely to happen.

In short, what I would like (if it still is even an option): shoot something different with her. She mentioned she’s into some BDSM so look at the Veronica Leal BDSM-y shoot and go with that. Or piss scenes (even if I don’t like them); she’s already shown she’s willing to shoot them, and apparently piss sells like hotcakes. Mix it up with a 5v1, or a 1v1 with Mike or Dylan. And here comes the fanboy comment: just please don’t give up on her.

[dap-addict]

Thus again first step I suggest going back to both of her last 2019 shot come-back scenes released so far and just comparing them. This gives first answers...

Just a hint: Watch what happens with Mina and how she reacts as soon as Mr. Anderson gets his turn on her in rcdap @ GIO1070. Compare this with her reaction on Tom just before, and than also the gonzo upper fuckers in DAP. Notice sth?!

[qazxsw8180]

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In short, what I would like (if it still is even an option): shoot something different with her. She mentioned she’s into some BDSM so look at the Veronica Leal BDSM-y shoot and go with that. Or piss scenes (even if I don’t like them); she’s already shown she’s willing to shoot them, and apparently piss sells like hotcakes. Mix it up with a 5v1, or a 1v1 with Mike or Dylan. And here comes the fanboy comment: just please don’t give up on her.

Hard not to agree. People enjoy watching new stuff. Her latest scene with Gonzo was almost completely the same as her earlier scenes. What's the point of spending your hard-earned money on a new scene when you can just rewatch the one you already bought? The same thing applies to the Giorgio scene - smaller guys, the same tags.
And it is not only about Mina. The old scenes with Veronica Leal sold better than the new ones. This is how it works.
Some new content, such as scenes with other popular girls or real fisting scenes could sell pretty well. But it is pointless to expect that new scenes with the same content would sell as weel as the old one.

[teammelee15]

^^^ God someone that ACTUALLY knows how porn works on here!!

Bravo!

But people will buy that 50th Gina Gerson DP scene....

Why?

Because their in porn love with her would be my guess....

Sure as sh#t isn't any different content.

What makes me mad is not that people "support" their favorite girls for hope that LP will continue to shoot them. Because more people that buy it the more she sells=more scenes.

But that they support the same old been done 15 times shoots....

That's what pisses me off and I dont get it....

Support your Gal. But support your Gal doing DIFFERENT, New, Nasty content.

Not the 5th-10th same DAP scene.....

[Wotan29]

People enjoy watching new stuff. Her latest scene with Gonzo was almost completely the same as her earlier scenes. What's the point of spending your money on a new scene when you can just rewatch the one you already bought? The same thing applies to the Giorgio scene - smaller guys, the same tags.

And here it is. The current problem of LP generally and Luis and Giorgio as the dominant directors particularly. All scenes looking the same and shot in the same style - same location, same scene flow, almost no variety. What I miss: The passion to shoot outstanding porn. Instead of that it´s all about sales. Ths leads to assembly-line work according to a scheme for scenes, that has proven itself at some point. With a high percentage of male actors, who convulsively try to get a boner and actually don´t enjoy fucking amazing girls. (Just watch the BTS of Anna de Ville´s latest Gonzo scene. Horrible! There´s more fun at a funeral...). I´m just about giving up hope, that there will be a change soon. This doesn´t mean, I won´t buy LP scenes anymore. There are too much great girls here and every now and then there´s a scene, which is not like all the other scenes. But if you want porn with a higher approach in terms of variety and creativity, sadly you have to search on other sites now.

[qazxsw8180]

^^^ God someone that ACTUALLY knows how porn works on here!!

Bravo!

But people will buy that 50th Gina Gerson DP scene....

Why?

Because their in porn love with her would be my guess....

Sure as sh#t isn't any different content.

What makes me mad is not that people "support" their favorite girls for hope that LP will continue to shoot them. Because more people that buy it the more she sells=more scenes.

I doubt that all those "50 scenes" made a lot of money for legalporno. My guess is that some of them were just fillers that barely made enough to be worth shooting. Ang I think that they didn't sell as well as the latest scenes of Mina, even thought they were not successful.
But probably it is a good idea to make a new scene with a popular girl, even though she already has lots of videos, every once in a while. I mean every top girl has some fans and after half a year or something like that they would probably buy something new with her just because they miss her.