WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT GIORGIO??!!

[twistedvincent]

Just got around to watching Kristy Black GIO 735 and the fucking scene is RUINED by HORRIBLE dubbing!
Why fucking Giorgio, WHY??
Scene is unwatchable!

[kidloco2]

Dubbing is still here and Giorgio doesn't seem to be willing to change it. It's horrible, I agree.

[zigzg009]

Sorry...I am trying to understand. What does dubbing mean in this context?

[twistedvincent]

^
It means Giorgio is inserting "fake" moaning and other sounds into his scenes to supposedly make them better but in most of our opinions it makes the scenes worse and sometimes unwatchable.

[twistedvincent]

Does he not understand he is making the scenes worse?!

[twistedvincent]

In the latest Kristy Black scenes not only is the dubbing terrible but it's HORRIBLY out of sync as well!

[blublubeacha]

Not a fan of the dubbing either. I once thought my ipad has problem playing video audio codec correctly lol

[drevokocur66]

Does he not understand he is making the scenes worse?!

He knows it.

[kidloco2]

I wonder what in this world makes Giorgio think it's ok this way. It's not! not! not not! never ever!

[zigzg009]

^
It means Giorgio is inserting "fake" moaning and other sounds into his scenes to supposedly make them better but in most of our opinions it makes the scenes worse and sometimes unwatchable.

Got it now...Thanks!

[blublubeacha]

[kidloco2]

What's up with all those small, miniature gapes or even puckered assholes in the most of the Giorgio's scenes? Hard anal, DAPs without proper gapes? Seriously?

There used to be big wide open gaping assholes almost in every Gio's scene before! What's wrong?

Giorgio, you didn't reply me to this topic in PM, so I'm going public.
Are the girls scared or uncomfortable so much that they shut their holes closed?

Or using your opinion about forum users' preference logic, am I the only one who likes to see wide open assholes at LP? Don't think so.

[jerrybb]

Giorgio is a hard working guy. He once explained to us how hard he works and what little time for his family.
Sometimes the models probably don't perform how he wants them to.
I love the hardcore porn of massive gapes and rosebud. But maybe some girls are just not up for it or there is not the chemistry in the scenes.
Giorgio obviously has a target of publishing a scene everyday. Maybe pressure from his financial backers. Sometimes the quality is not there on every scene but if you compare to the American directors then we might get 3-4 scenes a month from them and the movies are still not amazing.
Don't be too hard on Giorgio. He has given us some of the best scenes I have ever seen, with the most beautiful women I have even seen.
Chill chill.....

[blublubeacha]

I like gaping assholes 2 kidloco

[Giorgio Grandi]

I did not really know what to answer different than smt obvious
- Some girl gapes less or even nothing
Gape is not a simple result of fucking, some assholes are very elastic and they simply close very fast

What's up with all those small, miniature gapes or even puckered assholes in the most of the Giorgio's scenes? Hard anal, DAPs without proper gapes? Seriously?

There used to be big wide open gaping assholes almost in every Gio's scene before! What's wrong?

Giorgio, you didn't reply me to this topic in PM, so I'm going public.
Are the girls scared or uncomfortable so much that they shut their holes closed?

Or using your opinion about forum users' preference logic, am I the only one who likes to see wide open assholes at LP? Don't think so.

[Giorgio Grandi]

There is not any dubbing, some part of the audio has been replaced with similar sound because of some audio the user do not need to hear, for example suggestions to the performers.

Avoid this system would mean to have many cuts during the scene. Its very rare to achieve a scene with few cuts and without suggestions, in general or you have cuts or you have audio replacement on suggestions.

Now if we start to avoid "audio replacement" (so no suggestions), we will have people complaining about too many cuts.

Said that, this topic is totally pointless, I reviewed the scene this morning and I do not really see anything so dramatic.

[blublubeacha]

I personally would like to watch scenes completely uncut without audio replacement

[kidloco2]

There is not any dubbing, some part of the audio has been replaced with similar sound because of some audio the user do not need to hear, for example suggestions to the performers.

Avoid this system would mean to have many cuts during the scene. Its very rare to achieve a scene with few cuts and without suggestions, in general or you have cuts or you have audio replacement on suggestions.

Now if we start to avoid "audio replacement" (so no suggestions), we will have people complaining about too many cuts.

Said that, this topic is totally pointless, I reviewed the scene this morning and I do not really see anything so dramatic.

Dubding is a technical term as well, in professional audio it's usually called overdubbing - shortly dubbing.
From Collins dictionary:
Definition of 'dubbing'
English: dubbing
(ˈdʌbɪŋ )
noun cinema, television
1.
the replacement of a soundtrack in one language by one in another language
2.
the combination of several soundtracks into a single track
3.
the addition of a soundtrack to a film or broadcast

Why don't you just leave the suggestions there for fuck sake? Personally I'd like to hear that. There are opinions and suggestions around to add small talk during the scene, dirty talk, etc., and at the same time you destroy beautiful authentic audio capture of the scene!!

From professional point of view, this is WAY beyond ridiculous! Don't you see and hear it's TOTALLY out of lip sync? It's so much unproffesional done, that overdubbed audio is irrelevant in this context.

[magizi877]

I stopped buying most Giorgio scenes for this reason alone.

Adding fake sounds is tasteless. It's annoying.

Adding cuts would be even worse, completely agree.

But offering an unedited audio cut, would be much better.

The thing is that nobody complains about hearing Luis direct in his movies.

But many people, across time have complained about this added fake moaning that you keep doing.

[kidloco2]

I did not really know what to answer different than smt obvious
- Some girl gapes less or even nothing
Gape is not a simple result of fucking, some assholes are very elastic and they simply close very fast

What's up with all those small, miniature gapes or even puckered assholes in the most of the Giorgio's scenes? Hard anal, DAPs without proper gapes? Seriously?

There used to be big wide open gaping assholes almost in every Gio's scene before! What's wrong?

Giorgio, you didn't reply me to this topic in PM, so I'm going public.
Are the girls scared or uncomfortable so much that they shut their holes closed?

Or using your opinion about forum users' preference logic, am I the only one who likes to see wide open assholes at LP? Don't think so.

So you simply don't see the difference between now at LP and back then in your Russian and early Czech era? Man,...

[misangrenegra2]

Really is so dramatic? i mean, if the scene has a duration of eg. 50 mins. How many is the whole real duration of dubbing part? 1 min or 2 mins (Maybe much less and i didn't count the real time in any scene.) But when i see an scene i notice of this 2-3 seconds of dubbing in some parts but is not the end of the world.

Would be better get the same result witout dubbing parts? Yes but Gio said thats will mean more cuts. I prefer 2 random seconds sometimes of a little dubbing than more cuts.

[magizi877]

it's kinda like a sore thumb.

All I can think of it's pain.

SAme for fake moaning

It sticks like a sore thumb for me.

It ruins everything else.

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[teammelee15]

There is not any dubbing, some part of the audio has been replaced with similar sound because of some audio the user do not need to hear, for example suggestions to the performers.

Avoid this system would mean to have many cuts during the scene. Its very rare to achieve a scene with few cuts and without suggestions, in general or you have cuts or you have audio replacement on suggestions.

Now if we start to avoid "audio replacement" (so no suggestions), we will have people complaining about too many cuts.

Said that, this topic is totally pointless, I reviewed the scene this morning and I do not really see anything so dramatic.

Actually I would LOVE MORE CUTS. Soooooooo much pointless and useless things left in scenes. Like switching positions etc. If anything your scenes GG should be cut from your average of around 50 min to 25 min EASILY!

[teammelee15]

Well for types like you there's this low definition tube sites crap Cumshots Compilation.
See ya.

Just saying. Why put in parts where their say switching positions or trying to get 2 dicks in her butt for 30 seconds and have their hand covering up their dicks so you cant even see them going in anyway? You want to blow your load to that? And as far as cumshot compilations go it's pretty much what I do. I take like 3-4 GG scenes and cut out all the fat to around 50 min videos. Would be nice if they had UN edited versions to DL and Heavily cut ones to cut down on space on my hard drive.

But I get it nobody wants to buy a 25 min scene. You dont feel like your getting your moneys worth. But if you actually watched a scene from start to finish youll find half of it is stuff nobody wants to see.

[Angel Eyes]

Actually I would LOVE MORE CUTS. Soooooooo much pointless and useless things left in scenes. Like switching positions etc. If anything your scenes GG should be cut from your average of around 50 min to 25 min EASILY!

This is sarcasm, right?

Less cuts = more real and raw the better.

[magizi877]

Actually I would LOVE MORE CUTS. Soooooooo much pointless and useless things left in scenes. Like switching positions etc. If anything your scenes GG should be cut from your average of around 50 min to 25 min EASILY!

you don't like this?

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what the hell is wrong with you?!

[teammelee15]

^^The first one with Chris holding her hair sure. The rest is pointless.... I understand keeping some of it in sure but I always say dont put something in if it's not worth blowing your load to. Look at USA porn. Their scenes are around 25 min. They cut most of the fat out. Now in no way am I saying that they are better then LP stuff but come on who wants to site down and watch a 50 min scene? Who does that?

[Giorgio Grandi]

teammelee15 when I read your message I known they would hang you, but I am some how with you.

[Angel Eyes]

...who wants to site down and watch a 50 min scene? Who does that?

Me!

When everything clicks on a great scene, and I'm stroking on a sweet dopamine high, I never want it to end.

[misangrenegra2]

...who wants to site down and watch a 50 min scene? Who does that?

Me!

When everything clicks on a great scene, and I'm stroking on a sweet dopamine high, I never want it to end.

I'm with Angel Eyes, i like to see all the details of the scene with the less cuts as possible, things like magiz has post (Change of position) is a really good thing to see, i like to see how the girls changes their positions and how the guys start to insert their cocks to continious with the action

[teammelee15]

teammelee15 when I read your message I known they would hang you, but I am some how with you.

Ya I know. It's just something that I have picked up on cutting your scenes. We love your stuff but when the wife and I bang to your scenes she cant cum to guys switching positions or struggling to get 2 dicks in the chick. So I can easily take 3-4 scenes and compress it to 50 min of the good stuff. But I get it you wouldn't make any money shooting 3 hours worth of porn to cut one scene.

Id love it if LP did 2 things that I think most people could get behind

1- An unedited (to a degree) version of a scene to a in 1080 ONLY file
2- A Heavily cut scene with all the uninteresting stuff cut out of it. Available in all file types

GG your pretty good on your scenes as far as cutting fat out. But gonzo....Their a whole different story. Your lucky to get 7 min of good content out of their scenes.

[Object_O]

1. Dubbing is a deal breaker. Suggestions to performers should be communicated on whiteboard and marker in the performer's native language;

2. Videos should be as far as possible uncut. Position switch is actually beautiful where you can appreciate the female model's body big time and besides much man handling occurs in that crucial phase;

3. If you don't like that, snip your videos on your editor, that's what I do: I cut all introductory dildo, tease, toy playing I deem totally moot. Same for pissing scenes. It actually saves me valuable disk space, for the real actual fucking content totals 30min instead of going beyond 45min. My porn stash contains exclusively double/multiple penetrations between 2006 and 2018 and cloud/disk space is becoming a bitch. Hence the necessity to rid myself of the extraneous non-DP crap;

4. As for the insignificant gapes, I can think of a couple of epic pornstars like Bobbi Star that never gaped but I believe the issue stems mostly from male performers who either have a tiny dick of most probably do not sport enough thrust. Can't think of a reason why producers would hire such lame actors (may be poor market availability). Another likely explanation would be agents or models imposing their rules asking to go easy and soft. At any rate all these factors make porn movies suck

[teammelee15]

I really dont think the Dubbing thingy is that big of a deal. My wife points it out sometimes but it's not often you see it in GG's scenes. Besides their are other things that need to be addressed like panning the camera from side to side when shooting 2 girls. For example zooming out (no blurry motion) from one girl getting DAP to the one next to her (zooming back in) But GG continues to Pan side to side. I just watched a IV video with Nelly and Sasha and the whole scene they didnt side pan out of a 2 part scene ONCE! Thats how its done! But GG wants to pan I suppose he feels he can get to the action on the other girl faster but it's just a blur. The picture SHOULD ALWAYS be in focus!

Not the best Examples just what I put together quick.

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[Angel Eyes]

^ TM, you're nitpicking. Gio stays in close-up and draws attention to each girl separately. IV zooms out to show both girls in frame. These are creative choices; each has its merits.

[petermc934]

I don’t notice the dubbing too much to be honest. Definitely don’t want to hear someone off camera giving instructions, that would totally take me out of the scene.

[dap-addict]

There is not any dubbing, some part of the audio has been replaced with similar sound because of some audio the user do not need to hear, for example suggestions to the performers.

I dont think most of users here need that fantasy anymore that all porn shooting was smooth.
They rather want on-set reality with suggestions and position changes and as little cuts as possible. For sure I want it like that.
What you may cover up still is rare real problems on set without or upon suggestions of course, some girls are clueless for instance etc.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I absolutely not agree with this, I think suggestions bother people more than few part of audio where the syncro is not perfect. A scene has usually between 30 and 70 audio corrections and you notice just a few, to leave suggestions makes the audio terrible (I tried myself to watch the same scene with and video correction and I guess I am not different than anyone else)

There is not any dubbing, some part of the audio has been replaced with similar sound because of some audio the user do not need to hear, for example suggestions to the performers.

I dont think most of users here need that fantasy anymore that all porn shooting was smooth.
They rather want on-set reality with suggestions and position changes and as little cuts as possible. For sure I want it like that.
What you may cover up still is rare real problems on set without or upon suggestions of course, some girls are clueless for instance etc.

[dap-addict]

A scene has usually between 30 and 70 audio corrections and you notice just a few, to leave suggestions makes the audio terrible.

Giorgio, you are of course a perfectionist and this makes you so good at what you do.
Porn is a show, an adult entertainment of course and of course you want your users to give a perfect picture. I do understand that.
At the same time I do think there is little to hide and of course the group of people you are filming having porn sex do need your suggestions. Also because only you see what the camera sees and what therefore will be in your film. Me for one I am more and more interested in the documentary aspect of that porn sex being shot for me and less in the perfect show.

A way out - and probably the only way to really find out - would be to make 2 versions accessible: a) with original sound b) with audio corrections (as you call it).


Btw, me I used to like old Sineplex isntructions, provided he didnt bark at his sweet Russian girls. I also do quite like Luis' instructions - though there some are cut out of course.

[teammelee15]

Really appreciate you getting into this.
Is it in a way possible to do an uncut release without audiodubbing so we and especially I can see for ourselves?
I am really curious how a scene is in an uncut version.[/quote]

Highly doubt LP will ever do uncut scenes....You know what that would do to their upload/storage of files The scenes would probably be 2 hours long each.

[kidloco2]

I agree with releasing one scene without any audio fixing to see what we will be dealing with. Me, I'm already looking forward to it.