Giorgio's (and his assistants) pre- and post-scene talks

[dap-addict]

TheVulture brought up an interesting subject about the way Giorgio - and/or his new assistant directors - introduce a girl verbally before the scene.
And also about Giorgios quite famous often integrated post scene mini-interviews.
I am much more a fan of Giorgios english/russian vocal style than Vulture seems to be, but I think its really worth to discuss some aspects he mentioned on various threads in recent days.
Hope its ok to have copied-pasted them and looking forward to a fruitful discussion!

I think with the talking sections there is often a little antipathy in there from Giorgio in general. He doesn't rejoice in the girls' sluttiness or enjoyment or try to bring this out further (something Christoph Clark used to do to amazing effect in his work) but rather seems to want to come across as superior or make them feel a bit uncomfortable or something. It happens to varying degrees (sometimes not there at all) so might just be a case of him getting out of bed on the wrong side every now and then or something. He needs to think more about how these things come across in his work though and what kind of audience they play well with (ie misogynists).

As a result of the above I basically fast forward through any talk sections at the beginning and ignore any at the end of scenes by him lest there's anything in there that might taint my enjoyment of an otherwise good scene.

With Giorgio I don't necessarily want him to try to be more like Christoph Clark as I just suspect it isn't his style. For me though if he isn't going to be nice to the girls or try to bring out their sluttiness then I just wish he wouldn't speak to them as there isn't any specific need for it. Just film the scene and leave it at that.

I don't want to get into a massive downer on him but there is another example from a free ticket scene I picked up last night (GIO147 Belle Claire & Sara Kay) that shows what I'm talking about. At the end of the scene he's talking to them and tells them they're really dirty but not in an encouraging kind of way....more like a sort of distaste or even disgust. WTF? Then after a super-awkward conversation he finishes the scene by saying "Go and get a shower, you are enough dirty". I mean, if there is anything less sexy you can say to 2 gorgeous girls who have just done some seriously hardcore stuff for their own gratification but also the gratification of the LP viewership then I'm struggling to think what it could be.

A good Yorkshire phrase I was told when growing up springs to mind...."If you've nowt good to say, say nowt".

In the Julia Red Waka Waka scene he seems a bit patronising to Julia and then starts shouting "Wink at me! Wink at me!" when the guys pull her panties to one side to show her asshole. Childish and for me a real wood killer. Fortunately it doesn't do too much damage to the scene.

Then there's the new Kristy Black scene where he says to her "You know how gorgeous you are, right?" so she sort of looks away embarrassed and the tone then becomes really awkward. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that comment except that she must hear it all the time in bars and clubs etc. and it probably just isn't what she wants to hear in that moment. She's horny so I would think just wants to hear something to bring that out (I know that I do as a male viewer). And it's not really an appropriate comment on a porn set is it? You don't need to talk her into anything! Of course tell her she's gorgeous but don't make her have to confront or "deal with" it by way of a response. Just say "Oh my God - you're gorgeous!" and watch her beam back or something.

[TheVulture]

Ha ha ha ha I'm gonna get some grief for this! But yeah, good idea to compile this thread and see where it leads.

I did used to get into scrapes on this forum when debating throat-grabbing/manhandling etc. (which I'm not keen on) and will admit I might have been (and still be) a bit oversensitive about those areas. I vowed not to be too negative on this forum again but this is one area where I guess I feel I have something to contribute (whether rightly or wrongly) by giving a bit of critical analysis. I also think that the psychology of porn is a very interesting area and as someone who has watched porn for about 20 years it has changed a lot (in many ways for the worse) and generally you see all porn being carried by the same tide. It isn't acceptable to say, therefore, "Oh you don't like that so you should find something else". I'm less criticising Giorgio solely here, I think, than all modern porn to some extent. A lot of modern porn (not LP I stress) I find to be utterly misogynistic and my ultimate aim - if that doesn't sound too grand and self-important (which it probably does) - is to ensure that LP doesn't go down that same route.

This should also be set in the context that having been turned off LP for quite a long time ago a year or 2 ago and mostly for these reasons I have been won around in the main. For the most part the scenes that Giorgio makes are very, very good porn with girls who radiate confidence from the screen and male actors who don't generally cross the line by way of physical or mental abuse towards them. Giorgio obviously must be a factor in that so deserves credit. I think some of the elements I criticise have also been addressed. Also some of the scenes I reference are quite old. But still I think LP could improve the overall tone of some of its scenes and that these scenes would be still better if they did (at least for me and I accept that a lot of what I say is not altruistic - it's me trying to find my perfect porn as we all should and are entitled to as paying consumers).

I know Giorgio deals with the business side of porn as well (which I don't and is presumably tough), which might influence his approach a bit. I get that what he does isn't easy and his style isn't going to please everyone. He also knows the girls well of course so probably brings some back story to each scene. A lot of what I see might be my perception as an "innocent" viewer. The girls with their relationship with Giorgio might take the comments very differently, of course. Still, any difference in perception is worth noting if it could be deemed to be the most likely one a paying viewer would reach from arm's length. The "critique" thus becomes, I would think (and hope), valuable feedback, which it is intended to be above all else.

With all those things said, I hope my comments will be taken in the good spirit in which they are intended (and perhaps as the views of a perfectionist who just misses Christoph Clark's directorial style too much, perhaps).

[Giorgio Grandi]

I think Christoph Clark's was very good to handle the camera and direct, but the way he approach the girl is not my cup of cake.
In fact I dont have a style on this, I change accordingly to the girl and partially (very partially) accordingly to my mood, basically I simply tell some bullshits without any special meaning.

If I tell to a girl "go the fuck away from my stage and take a shower because you are covered in sperm and spit and also your breath stinks like the pussy of a prostitute of 20is in Manila..." its just because this is what should be done, (take shower and put yourself together) and believe me no one gets offended.

[Homo*_*Eroticus]

So basically every director has its own way to approach a girl in camera ... if Christoph Clark was so sweet presenting a girl, here we have frequently a more strong and thrilling shooting.
By the way, Giorgio (at least for me) is the best for communicating with ex-URSS girls and accordingly to present them to the WORLD!!!
Finally, I think TheVulture is too much delicate for this type of content .... he's suffering also for a simple phrase that Giorgio has said to a girl !!!

[TheVulture]

I think Christoph Clark's was very good to handle the camera and direct, but the way he approach the girl is not my cup of cake.
In fact I dont have a style on this, I change accordingly to the girl and partially (very partially) accordingly to my mood, basically I simply tell some bullshits without any special meaning.

If I tell to a girl "go the fuck away from my stage and take a shower because you are covered in sperm and spit and also your breath stinks like the pussy of a prostitute of 20is in Manila..." its just because this is what should be done, (take shower and put yourself together) and believe me no one gets offended.

Thanks for the input Giorgio, good comments.

Your last point about no-one being offended is totally valid but you must concede that it had a negative reaction. From memory Belle at least looked a bit surprised by it. Thus whilst I take your point (you have a "no nonsense" style, which is no bad thing) I think you should at least consider what effect these comments have on a scene. Is it good for girls to be surprised/thrown etc. by your comments? I would say not but then again, that's just me.

It can also depend on the girl in question, of course. Me personally I would like any girl on the receiving end of such comments (either from you or anyone else) to fight back. If Belle or Sara had come back to you and said "Fuck you - I love being hot and sweaty and full of cum, I'm not gonna shower for a week" then trust me I would get off on that. That's kind of the crux of the issue here - I like strong, assertive women whereas much of modern porn caters more towards the men being the strong, dominant forces (which includes the verbal tone and content).

[TheVulture]

Finally, I think TheVulture is too much delicate for this type of content .... he's suffering also for a simple phrase that Giorgio has said to a girl !!!

Maybe but as I say, I do think psychology is important in porn. Without wishing to sound too pretentious or full of myself I would say I am a kind of cerebral porn consumer if you like.

For me I can't just be like "OK great looking girl, DP, DAP, multiple facials - check. This scene is a definite winner". If the tone and feel isn't to my taste then I won't like it. And of course this is where porn buying becomes very difficult, because trailers will only show you content and not tone. So this is where trust of a director comes in.

For example, whilst it definitely isn't my preference, I can get off on a 1-on-1 pussy only scene if I feel the heat and chemistry between the performers is explosive and the tone is nicely set.

"Suffering" is perhaps a strong word there as well!

[Giorgio Grandi]

I dont care much about what the model would tell me if it would make the content more interesting. A kind of reaction like "hey GG fuck you... bla bla bla" whatever, would make the content more interesting, so its welcome.
Actually you can consider my words as a provocation for get some interesting reaction that would make the content more sell-able.

[TheVulture]

I dont care much about what the model would tell me if it would make the content more interesting. A kind of reaction like "hey GG fuck you... bla bla bla" whatever, would make the content more interesting, so its welcome.
Actually you can consider my words as a provocation for get some interesting reaction that would make the content more sell-able.

I think that's a good idea but of course you would need the right kind of girl. Also I think it would be important that the girl knew in advance that you were going to do that (if not exactly what you're going to say) just so that they don't take offence or get freaked out.

Someone like Lydia Black would I think like this, whereas someone like Julia Red (who is certainly strong and assertive but in a non-verbal kind of way) probably wouldn't.

Do you tend to make the girls aware of the conversation bits in advance or is it all off the cuff? I guess you have a good relationship with most of them so perhaps it doesn't need much planning.

[Homo*_*Eroticus]

Maybe but as I say, I do think psychology is important in porn. Without wishing to sound too pretentious or full of myself I would say I am a kind of cerebral porn consumer if you like.
For me I can't just be like "OK great looking girl, DP, DAP, multiple facials - check. This scene is a definite winner". If the tone and feel isn't to my taste then I won't like it. And of course this is where porn buying becomes very difficult, because trailers will only show you content and not tone. So this is where trust of a director comes in.

Yeah, you seem to be very cerebral-->sensible--->refined but most of the members here like rough, brutal situations with the girls(there're also some dedicated series!) so Giorgio simply provide what he knows will be appreciated by his fans.
I know you want to perceive the girls being treated gently with a sex act full of real passion but this isn't the mission of legalporno!

"Suffering" is perhaps a strong word there as well!

Mmmmm....I don't know, I would like to see your face when you look a video where a girl is verbally brutalized....

[Homo*_*Eroticus]

I dont care much about what the model would tell me if it would make the content more interesting. A kind of reaction like "hey GG fuck you... bla bla bla" whatever, would make the content more interesting, so its welcome.
Actually you can consider my words as a provocation for get some interesting reaction that would make the content more sell-able.

OK .... but I have never seen a scene where a girl is reacting badly to you, maybe they don't want to risk their careers!

[TheVulture]

You can have rough and brutal sex without having to talk smack to the girls. You can also have both in tandem. My preference is the former (obviously).

It's also wrong to assume that just because a porn girl performs extreme sex acts that she also likes to be verbally abused. They are 2 very different things and the psychological welfare of porn girls is every bit as important as their physical welfare.

[magizi877]

I think it would be better if Giorgio hypes the girls, instead of interviewing them.

Hype means "to build excitement".



How many guys are waiting for you today?

Are you nervous? or are you excited?


The goal is to make her think "I want to do this, I can't wait to get started"

Build their confidence:

"You're going to be so amazing"

[TheVulture]

Great points magizi87.

That is quite close to Christoph Clark's style though, which Giorgio doesn't favour.

I fear from Giorgio's input that this thread has had the wrong effect and that he's going to ramp up the nastiness and trash talk next time he's behind the camera!

Don't do it Giorgio! Make Talking Nice To The Girls And Only Saying Sweet Things Great Again!

[Homo*_*Eroticus]

I think it would be better if Giorgio hypes the girls, instead of interviewing them.

You can't introduce a girl without interviewing her, let us know some basic aspects of the model like the sexual life, age, nation.....

Make Talking Nice To The Girls And Only Saying Sweet Things Great Again!

Giorgio could start a new series for this kind of content like "Sweetheart ******* lovely DAPed ****** ,KISS KISS"!
Then we'll see how the people will react to this new format.....