Putin enemy #1 to europorn industry

[Ichimaru]

Do you agree or disagree?

Saint Petersburg did seem to be the new Prague or Budapest until the industry was pushed out.

[mr mystica]

The russian beauty- era in porn (approx 2008-2014) is something i really miss.
But i think the "banning of porn" by Putin is a secoundary factor. This is more about how the business is runned. There are still plenty of russian, ukranian beauties but most of them only do soft (for Metart, Beauty Angels, Teenporn Storage and similar sites). For some reasons it is more financially beneficial to import girls from the US in LP. Which doesn`t make any freaking sense at all. But as i said; It is the business that made it this way. 98 percent of all new teenage girls in porn are from the USA. This will hopefully change soon again because i prefere girls from east europe.

[drevokocur66]

The russian beauty- era in porn (approx 2008-2014) is something i really miss.
But i think the "banning of porn" by Putin is a secoundary factor. This is more about how the business is runned. There are still plenty of russian, ukranian beauties but most of them only do soft (for Metart, Beauty Angels, Teenporn Storage and similar sites). For some reasons it is more financially beneficial to import girls from the US in LP. Which doesn`t make any freaking sense at all. But as i said; It is the business that made it this way. 98 percent of all new teenage girls in porn are from the USA. This will hopefully change soon again because i prefere girls from east europe.

I have said it before. 2008-2014 recession = Hot chicks, great porn.
2014+ economy good = uglier chicks, shittier porn.
Next recession = hot chicks, fantastic porn. It is a cycle.

[getitnow408]

Not so simple as just economic data
Some of the great series were filmed directly in Saint Petersburg..it's not happening anymore which creates two problems
1- You have to get a visa for Russian to come to the EU
2- You have to cover more expenses (flight, hotel etc)
way harder to take a chance on a newbie that could simply not show up, not perform or use the visa to do toursim

As far as the economic crisis..well Russian rouble is lower now than during those great years you are refering too and many many russian cities outside the Big two (and even in those really) have a fair amount of poverty, there should be no shortage of girls
So I do think the new regulation has a lot to do with the current situation.

[Giorgio Grandi]

When you talk about Russia, the big enemy of porn are the people involved in porn.
Situation in Saint Petersburg was more than quite until everything was handled with a "low profile", this means also that if a girl change her mind after a reasonable time after her scene, everyone agreed to erase the content from their website (I did it many time, more than you can image and all the other did it) or anyway remember that what we do, with young russian girls is not every time based on the will do be a pornstar, but specially at the beginning is based on the hunger of money

Lets remember that under the "umbrella" of Sergey Pryanishnikov, shooting of adult content was legal. You can get more information here, on my post from Mar 29, 2018:
viewtopic.php?f=96&t=17895&p=176909&hilit=Pryanishnikov#wrap

Everything started in the summer 2011 with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqbRJAitK2A&t=3s
When this stuff went to the television well, we know the industry was done.
The cherry on the cake was this: http://nowoodman.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_18.html
Use a google translator, but we aware many stuff are not true.

The reaction of public opinion was very intense at the end of the summer the Duma enforced a low against obscenity that included limitations on the production of adult content (started to be active 1 year after, in september 2012)

Let me add a very personal note: when a model makes a medical test and join a porn movie, there is nothing to ask or to agree anymore. In my opinion this is the real tacit consent, really more important than a signature on an agreement, but this doesnt mean that a content with a production cost of few hundred dollars, is more important than act in the interest of the industry. What is in the interest of the industry is also in the interest of any producer.

Putin did not do anything different that what public opinion asked otherwise he would not give a shit.

[getitnow408]

well let me start by saying I am very honored that you would take time to answer directly to the post.
I am a big fan of yours as an actor and the scenes where you were an actor are just stunning (I love your Roxy scene for exemple but so many that it would be too much to mention all of them, ok one more Spicy LOL)
Anyway, I have nothing at all against Putin and I agree, he did what was politically sound, the thing though is, Did it damage the industry there? I believe so

I don't think I will ever get another answer from you so again thanks for taking the time and not only am I a big Italy's fan being raised just norh of the border but also a big fan of yourself personally

[Giorgio Grandi]

The industry can be damaged only from the irresponsible behavior of the people in the industry, all the rest is a consequence.

well let me start by saying I am very honored that you would take time to answer directly to the post.
I am a big fan of yours as an actor and the scenes where you were an actor are just stunning (I love your Roxy scene for exemple but so many that it would be too much to mention all of them, ok one more Spicy LOL)
Anyway, I have nothing at all against Putin and I agree, he did what was politically sound, the thing though is, Did it damage the industry there? I believe so

I don't think I will ever get another answer from you so again thanks for taking the time and not only am I a big Italy's fan being raised just norh of the border but also a big fan of yourself personally

[cliffwolcott]

When you talk about Russia, the big enemy of porn are the people involved in porn.
Situation in Saint Petersburg was more than quite until everything was handled with a "low profile", this means also that if a girl change her mind after a reasonable time after her scene, everyone agreed to erase the content from their website (I did it many time, more than you can image and all the other did it) or anyway remember that what we do, with young russian girls is not every time based on the will do be a pornstar, but specially at the beginning is based on the hunger of money

Lets remember that under the "umbrella" of Sergey Pryanishnikov, shooting of adult content was legal. You can get more information here, on my post from Mar 29, 2018:
viewtopic.php?f=96&t=17895&p=176909&hilit=Pryanishnikov#wrap

Everything started in the summer 2011 with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqbRJAitK2A&t=3s
When this stuff went to the television well, we know the industry was done.
The cherry on the cake was this: http://nowoodman.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_18.html
Use a google translator, but we aware many stuff are not true.

The reaction of public opinion was very intense at the end of the summer the Duma enforced a low against obscenity that included limitations on the production of adult content (started to be active 1 year after, in september 2012)

Let me add a very personal note: when a model makes a medical test and join a porn movie, there is nothing to ask or to agree anymore. In my opinion this is the real tacit consent, really more important than a signature on an agreement, but this doesnt mean that a content with a production cost of few hundred dollars, is more important than act in the interest of the industry. What is in the interest of the industry is also in the interest of any producer.

Putin did not do anything different that what public opinion asked otherwise he would not give a shit.

What is it said in the youtube video?

[mr mystica]

Anyway. What i want to know is not just why shit happened in russian porn, but what to do to get out of it.

[drevokocur66]

Not so simple as just economic data
Some of the great series were filmed directly in Saint Petersburg..it's not happening anymore which creates two problems
1- You have to get a visa for Russian to come to the EU
2- You have to cover more expenses (flight, hotel etc)
way harder to take a chance on a newbie that could simply not show up, not perform or use the visa to do toursim

As far as the economic crisis..well Russian rouble is lower now than during those great years you are refering too and many many russian cities outside the Big two (and even in those really) have a fair amount of poverty, there should be no shortage of girls
So I do think the new regulation has a lot to do with the current situation.

You forget that when the economy is good, prostitution is much better money than porn. I remember driving from Germany through the former Czechoslovakia, just after the fall of the former Soviet Union. There was a stretch of E50 that was packed with prostitutes. Drop dead gorgeous, university educated, multilingual speaking women. I bullshit you not.

[Ichimaru]

Not so simple as just economic data
Some of the great series were filmed directly in Saint Petersburg..it's not happening anymore which creates two problems
1- You have to get a visa for Russian to come to the EU
2- You have to cover more expenses (flight, hotel etc)
way harder to take a chance on a newbie that could simply not show up, not perform or use the visa to do toursim

As far as the economic crisis..well Russian rouble is lower now than during those great years you are refering too and many many russian cities outside the Big two (and even in those really) have a fair amount of poverty, there should be no shortage of girls
So I do think the new regulation has a lot to do with the current situation.

You forget that when the economy is good, prostitution is much better money than porn. I remember driving from Germany through the former Czechoslovakia, just after the fall of the former Soviet Union. There was a stretch of E50 that was packed with prostitutes. Drop dead gorgeous, university educated, multilingual speaking women. I bullshit you not.

You lucky bastard haha. I wish I had a time machine. Would like to hear some of your post-USSR exploits Dre. Now the only decent value punts you can get you get in Europe are with Romanians

[dap-addict]

Anyway. What i want to know is not just why shit happened in russian porn, but what to do to get out of it.

Switching to poorer post-USSR places with visa-free regime for EU trips is a good option.
Baltic are too small basically, only Latvia has a decent Russian female 18-30yo. population.
Moldavia is an option, some LP girls were from there, usually transferred via Odessa.
But the real tap is in Ukraine.
Millions of girls 18-25yo.
Cheep and visa free!

[Giorgio Grandi]

I think the picture of more complex, much more.
Lets take an american girl. The average payout for a bg-a is 1200$, but on this you need to cut 35% at least (15% agency fee and at least 20% taxation), this bring in the hands of the model 780$, really not a lot.
But, because there is a huge "but" a good american model makes easily 1500$-2000$ /month between SMS and phone calls + few more thousand of custom videos + few more thousand of publishing videos on tubes and website pay4download.
Than if her social accounts grown to have few hundreds of thousands of followers, she can get other few thousands more from ADS and sponsoship (that cash will flow also when she stops with porn as she can keep her social accounts active)
This doesnt include private meetings

A euro model is not able to generate even 10% if profit "induced" from her porn acting, a euro models use social network for find new scenes to perform, instead than grow in popularity where she can find the real money on long term.
Basically a model in europe cares only about the "payday" forgetting all the rest. Add also that most of american porn model, from my experience, are well educated, smart, professional and very loyal to their entourage. Euro models are not like this.

Bottom line, if what the model is looking for is "the payday", then she will rarely chose porn. If the girl has the will to have a long term project she could probably join pornography, but it starts to be rare.

Than, most of good talents scout moved to different industry than porn, too many "social hookers" that are grabbing girls online creating unbalance in the system. Social hookers are not scouting new girls, but are simply grabbing models that just joined the industry "stealing" profit to who found them.

Anyway. What i want to know is not just why shit happened in russian porn, but what to do to get out of it.

Switching to poorer post-USSR places with visa-free regime for EU trips is a good option.
Baltic are too small basically, only Latvia has a decent Russian female 18-30yo. population.
Moldavia is an option, some LP girls were from there, usually transferred via Odessa.
But the real tap is in Ukraine.
Millions of girls 18-25yo.
Cheep and visa free!

[dap-addict]

I think the picture of more complex, much more.

Of course its much more complex, especially if we take US girls in account.
I also know and appreciate a lot that your agency TWW tried to educate ex-USSR models to use social media and create a long-term fellowing, but in most cases it failed.
Still, Slavic girls will always play a part in Europorn because fans still want their looks, and because they perform the 'extreme' anal stuff fairly flawless with the right directors hand.
Thus part of production has still to relay on 6months fast money Russian/Ukrainian girls without carrier planning and much clue what to do later.
But for porn 6mt is enough if the girl is talented. You can shoot 10-20 DAPs and sell them over the next 2years.
All you need to do is pumping fair priced girls from Ukraine into your system, have them stay 2weeks at your GIO flat and check her anal abilities and sales potential.
What you need is a trusted supplier, though.
Or not?

[kidloco2]

I think the picture of more complex, much more.

Agencies/Productions should scout girls that will want money but most certainly won't follow the route of other ventures / projects.

Today, the girls are the ones who seek for porn job at agencies. Scouting and active searching must be done a fundamental level
like before. Tons of girls around, but nobody looking for them.

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