Why is there so much complaining?

[stewpidaz]

Also sorry, I promise this is my last consecutive post. I know you don't provide many services for people that don't pay, but that doesn't mean you should shit on members because they haven't spent money/purchased scenes. And I'm saying that as someone who has both been a member and purchased scenes. That's not a good way to get people on your side. So you can whine about people complaining about your talking in the forums but realize that just because you're responding to people doesn't mean you're satisfying them and in some cases you're probably making them angrier, not that you care because he hasn't contributed to your own personal livelihood, but regardless of how long he has been registered without purchasing scenes, that IS A POTENTIAL customer. He has taken the time to register here. That would be like a twitch streamer telling anyone who isn't subscribed to him to fuck off

[xxx]

We simply cannot even just read everything that is posted, let alone reply to everyone.

[xxx]

If you want to ask for some specific things there is a tool for it : https://www.legalporno.com/scene-request

It is made so that we don't waste our time with free users. It will receive some upgrades by the way.

Forum discussions are secondary to this, for us. And don't start with the "but they don't care cause they didn't shoot that 100 guys scene piss TAP gangbang that was highly ranked there".

[stewpidaz]

Maybe it's true that you can't make everyone happy with their own specific tastes, but I don't think you have tried either. I think you do whatever is best for your business in the short term, too shortsighted to see how it might be hurting your business in the long term. It's like the opposite of Netflix's business model where they try to provide a little bit of everything and it's all about customer satisfaction for affordable price for the amount of content which gets them more customers in the long term and it's why this business strategy is so successful. This site charges a base of $30 (I think this is more than 3 times what netflix charges) for membership which is honestly a little ridiculous in this day and age especially when you consider that a lot of people will only get 2 or 3 scenes they might like a month (if that, if they're like me). For these people it's more worthwhile to purchase the individual scenes, but it still loses the site money because of the outlandish cost of the membership. I understand porn isn't free to make, but what's the value in not getting a membership out of someone because it's too expensive?

[stewpidaz]

Just to clarify: I think the amount of tickets and free content would be appropriate for the cost of the membership, it's just that I basically get more tickets with a month's membership than I would probably use in a year so its highly unnecessary

[dje_ra]

Just to clarify: I think the amount of tickets and free content would be appropriate for the cost of the membership, it's just that I basically get more tickets with a month's membership than I would probably use in a year so its highly unnecessary

there is something true, but I want to clarify my vision:
what I like LP? - for me nowhere in any other porn site I can't find amazing orgies like those of Giorgio Grandi.
8 boys and 2-3 or more girls do Balls Deep Anal / Squirt Drink / Prolapse / Anal fisting / piss Festival , Big Gapes / Creampie To Swallow/ Double Session / DAP/TAP ... this is amazing, something you don' t find anywhere else, believe me. For me, Giorgio is update version of Rocco Siffredi.
I only buy these series, but I think in the LP is something for everyone
If it depends on me, I only want orgies ... but I know well that Giorgio and LP don' t work just for me, they work for money, it's business, and they are really good, agree with me!
as They don' t interfere in my business and I don' t interfere in their work.
When something is not for me I don' t hate them. For me, the Legalporno are unique and I support them.
And finally ... women are flowers ... and the flowers are not ugly, but there are pathetic people.
Do not offend women because they want to do everything for you, just appreciate it. All other words say how many unhappy people are behind the monitor.
PS:I have a wife and I don' t buy movies ,My brother buys them . And I apologize for my bad English

[chrisssj2]

Hey piss is back so it's not like we can complain ;D <3 great job xxx and GG

[rollin_dubs187]

Hey piss is back so it's not like we can complain ;D <3 great job xxx and GG

Keep in mind GG was actively bashing anyone in the forums who complained about the piss ban, basically telling them to shut up about it. I remeber him saying, "Stop complaining. Nobody wants it. My sales have never been better since the ban". Dispite the fact piss scenes were on the best seller list month after month. His statement was suppose to be evidence that piss was not a highly saught after genre. Which was actually evidance of the opposite, since GG never released any piss movies pre ban, and the ban merely opened up funds for users to purchase more of his content. Then once the ban was lifted (or eased up rather), GG was the first one to start making new scenes, so he knew damn well people wanted it. SMH. They faught with piss advocates tooth and nail for a long time before giving in. I remeber countless forums telling piss advocates to shut up about it over and over again, and its still not as good as it was previously. The only reason why it is not the best seller anymore is due to the fact many piss lovers left, and it is no longer available to US customers. This site was founded on scenes like those. PMAO was one of the first series ever produced on here. Sineplex helped start everythimg. Its a shame because they no longer produce and had some of the best quality films on the site, that still top anything made today IMO. The only reason I stick around is because I have about 70 pages of scenes and am constantly going back to the old content. Every once in a while they release a new gem, but they are few and far between. I used to have reccuring 3 month membership and had to top up every month before the month was up. Now I barely spend a month worth in 3 months time. Again this is all just my opinion, but regardless of what others think, it is still valid and I get sick of others telling me it is not.

[stewpidaz]

^ I remember the end of the piss era in exactly the same way. They always try to play it off like they are trying their best to make people happy when they aren’t.

[kidloco2]

Giorgio, I dare to say you must be really naive, have immature thinking or might be just plain (using your word) brain-dead from shooting all the porn.

If you dare to write such nonsense to us, paying customers, those who use their own resources to buy, watch and review your scenes trying to help and give you a customers' reference, make false ridiculously stupid accusations only showing how narrow thinking you have, then you just have to expect, it's gonna hit you back.
Let's pour a new glass of wine. Obviously irrespective to what you think or say, you can't take any critics at all. None. I think you don't really wanna know whether you're doing fine or not, you just want to reassure you're the best. And by no means I'm trying to say you're a bad person (you're not), it's about the way you react. By doing any job, one also take responsibility to accept critics.

You certainly know, your work will become stale without feedback, as we see you ultimately silently fixing some issues afterwards or secretly use our ideas (and still have balls to bash us). We can live without whatever studio, people come and go, but your job can't live long without feedback.

You think you got penalized for posting here? Naah, then head over to the IV forum. Joakim didn't bother to write a single line there and still he receives a lot of critics as well. There's always a reason to it. I believe it's not a coincidence when there are many complaints or positive/negative feedback about something. If I get such, I always try to rethink and check if there really isn't something wrong.

Disrespecting and overlooking users' experience in general is a very bad habit, and if you won't be shooting porn which targets human primary instincts, you will fail. Customer is always on the first place no matter what he's complaining about.

Well you've finally got successful long term well paid job that gave you freedom. Most of other directors aren't so lucky. So WTF is your problem, Giorgio?

[Giorgio Grandi]

This is not true, I released a lot of pee scenes before the ban, I was the one releasing more pee scenes for sure, really a lot, and it was too much, I even feel my last scenes where the reason why LP looked like a pissing website, not like an hardcore website, and this was not positive.

And I can tell you that continue to release such amount of wet scenes as before would have limited a lot the way LP has grown meantime.
Pee, prolapse and some very extreme stuff can not be released too often (I was releasing I think more then 2 pee/week in average, only me). These are small niches and the content could drive most of users away attracting few new pee/prolapse users. (comparing possible customers, fore sure there are more hardcore customers then pee/prolapse together).

Please now read it carefully, because I am not going to fight about what next as it is not a opinion but a simple fact.
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The ban of pee forced the studios to shoot better hardcore content for attract more new users (as before the gross of the users were pee users). After the ban of the pee for me was particularly hard for several weeks (I did not get any benefits as you say, but really fucking no one), but I increased the quality of the content and so I started to get my sales on truck. Meantime LP gown up getting many hardcore users and losing some pee users (comparing, there are for sure more hard core user to catch then pee users in the sea of internet), quality of content in my personal opinion has grown as well in the years, but really a lot.

Pee at that time was easy money comparing to hard core. Erasing the pee the only way to get sales was to increase the quality of the content. I personally did it, and I am very happy/proud of this, I would not be able to achieve the level of content/sales I shot/get now without to erase from the path everything wet.
So, LP got without pee more hardcore user then ever and this is a good thing for the biz. Continuing with the way pee was released before the ban, would have meant turning LP into a pee website and I am happy xxx did it that way.

Now, probably there are less pee customer than before the ban, but there are many more hardcore users. It is normal a pee scene would sell properly as many hardcore user can buy the dry version or in general many hardcore users are for sure not bothered much from pee and yes there are still many pee users in the website.
The long dry season did of LP a better hardcore website with better content and the moderate release of pee content doesnt bother much the hardcore customers that are the actual foundation of LP.

Why pee is not the absolute bestseller anymore? because of dry season the quality of hard core content increased and so did the number of hardcore members, the pee members that left are for sure already back, most of them, but now they are exceeded by hardcore users.

Thats not a point of view, this is a fact
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You know, according to your general point of view I should avoid to interact with users, but should I let people write something not true?
example: I did not shot pee scenes before the ban and I got benefit from the dry season because I was "lets say" prepared to this

e che cazzo...

[Giorgio Grandi]

I do not care to be or think to be the best, I have family and kids I care only about my life.
What I do care kidloco2, I really think WTF is wrong with customers sometimes... I take critics from sensible themes but on BS or with BS arguments or even on thinks are not true and from people that did not even watched the scene but just the trailer I do not take it. I would be a hypocrite to write to someone who did not pay for the content or did not watch the content at all smt like "oh man, you are right, we will put more afford"

Im naive, I know this. I still hope people are honest, talk for consistent reason and do not need to create an argument for the pleasure to make someone pissed and they have the know-how for join the topic where they write.
Than there is the Trolls/trolling topic and this is not smt I can ignore yet... but Im working on it..

[CanadianCouple]

Hey piss is back so it's not like we can complain ;D <3 great job xxx and GG

Yes, the pissing scenes released these last few weeks are stellar. Very impressed with them all.

[CanadianCouple]

GG is here to make a living. People are buying his scenes so the market is telling him he is making great work. Most customers don't get outraged because 10 seconds of a 40 minute scene doing something they don't like ruins the scene for them. If porn has got so stale for you that you throw an entire porn scene out over one minor detail, then you really need to take a break. People having sex is fun and should not invoke anger.

The guy could take one of your feedback and make a change, and someone else would be outraged at that new change . Do you upset people not understand how self defeating that is? If you make more pee , someone will be outraged there is so much pissing. If you bring in new unknown girls for variety, someone else will be outraged they haven't brought back their favorite for more scenes. If you listen to the guy complaining about the girls wearing heels, someone else will bitch why the girls don't wear heels. A director can not make porn this way, he will quit.

Buy shit you like, ignore shit you don't like. Pretty simple rule. Stop trying to make an industry produce content 100% to your needs because you have become so porn jaded that you can't enjoy porn scenes anymore.

[assloverxxx69]

I have to say LP is getting boring, i really like the old videos and i will watch them more than the new ones.

Gonzo videos are boring, I really liked LegalPorno SOS videos.

[drevokocur66]

This is not true, I released a lot of pee scenes before the ban, I was the one releasing more pee scenes for sure, really a lot, and it was too much, I even feel my last scenes where the reason why LP looked like a pissing website, not like an hardcore website, and this was not positive.

And I can tell you that continue to release such amount of wet scenes as before would have limited a lot the way LP has grown meantime.
Pee, prolapse and some very extreme stuff can not be released too often (I was releasing I think more then 2 pee/week in average, only me). These are small niches and the content could drive most of users away attracting few new pee/prolapse users. (comparing possible customers, fore sure there are more hardcore customers then pee/prolapse together).

Please now read it carefully, because I am not going to fight about what next as it is not a opinion but a simple fact.
--
The ban of pee forced the studios to shoot better hardcore content for attract more new users (as before the gross of the users were pee users). After the ban of the pee for me was particularly hard for several weeks (I did not get any benefits as you say, but really fucking no one), but I increased the quality of the content and so I started to get my sales on truck. Meantime LP gown up getting many hardcore users and losing some pee users (comparing, there are for sure more hard core user to catch then pee users in the sea of internet), quality of content in my personal opinion has grown as well in the years, but really a lot.

Pee at that time was easy money comparing to hard core. Erasing the pee the only way to get sales was to increase the quality of the content. I personally did it, and I am very happy/proud of this, I would not be able to achieve the level of content/sales I shot/get now without to erase from the path everything wet.
So, LP got without pee more hardcore user then ever and this is a good thing for the biz. Continuing with the way pee was released before the ban, would have meant turning LP into a pee website and I am happy xxx did it that way.

Now, probably there are less pee customer than before the ban, but there are many more hardcore users. It is normal a pee scene would sell properly as many hardcore user can buy the dry version or in general many hardcore users are for sure not bothered much from pee and yes there are still many pee users in the website.
The long dry season did of LP a better hardcore website with better content and the moderate release of pee content doesnt bother much the hardcore customers that are the actual foundation of LP.

Why pee is not the absolute bestseller anymore? because of dry season the quality of hard core content increased and so did the number of hardcore members, the pee members that left are for sure already back, most of them, but now they are exceeded by hardcore users.

Thats not a point of view, this is a fact
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You know, according to your general point of view I should avoid to interact with users, but should I let people write something not true?
example: I did not shot pee scenes before the ban and I got benefit from the dry season because I was "lets say" prepared to this

e che cazzo...

Pee by itself is not a best seller, nothing by itself is a best seller, and pee is considered hardcore. A wet scene will outsell the dry version of the same scene EVERY single time, and not by a small margin. It sells not because people are not bothered by pee, but because they like it. Those that do not, buy the dry version, and THEY are the minority.

You CAN increase the quality of hardcore without "dry season" , and saying the "dry season" was the only way is pure bullshit. You don't like shooting wet, and that is fine. You said it, I accepted it and I will proceed with even more caution before purchasing more tickets in the future, knowing there is a GIO noose hanging over the wet content.

I do not wish for all the scenes to be wet scenes. I do like variety, but the dry season, and your dislike for wet scenes, has caused me to support wet scenes only. There are dry scenes I would like to purchase, but I fear another dry season may return if I do. I renewed my subscription when wet scenes started showing up again. Unfortunately, you do not release enough wet content to justify keeping my monthly membership active. I cancelled my subscription once I hit 250+ tickets, and I am currently sitting at around 227 and it is impossible for me to spend the allocated 40tickets per moth. So now I wait to hit under 25tickets to get active membership again, because during the dry season I got stuck with unusable tickets for a long long time.

Having said that, I enjoy wet releases here at LP, there is nothing like it anywhere on the web. I will always support it as I have in the past, and when you don't I won't. Am I the minority? Sure, keep telling yourself that.

[Sir Noel]

I don't think it is fair to say Giorgio does not respond to suggestions. Even big ones.
He reintroduced pissing. When lots of people said those scenes were weak and too compromised for the american piss-free version he upped his game and sorted the problem. He started filming American girls. He started filming more fisting and again incorporating it more into the rest of the scene (still could do more here imo though as we still tend to have fists or cocks but rarely both together or alternate fist and cock penetration).
More variety of location with the stairs, the toilet block etc etc, again as requested by commenters.

My experience is that Giorgio does respond to criticism and requests. He just doesn't jump to every personal request every commenter makes and when he does respond he does so cautiously and usually takes a period of time to come round to the suggestions (he also notes what the market is telling him: one oddball commenter is not > sales figures)

[stevemcgee3]

I have to say LP is getting boring, i really like the old videos and i will watch them more than the new ones.

Gonzo videos are boring, I really liked LegalPorno SOS videos.

I disagree. I am always excited to see what new videos are released every day. I cannot keep up with all the good scenes. I spend my tickets so fast that I have to wait 30 days to buy more, by then there are at least 5 to 10 new scenes that I want. I am so backed up that I have over 100 scenes that I want but have not purchased yet, many of them are Giorgio's. I do not have enough time in my life to watch all this good porn.

And I am not a fan of piss scenes, piss does not turn me on, but I will never complain because I know others like it and I think variety is a good thing. Giorgio shoots plenty of gaping, cum swallowing, and anal creampies to keep me happy.

Like it was said before, if porn is boring then you should stop watching it for a while. Its like re-charging your batteries. No need to get mad at directors because they don't excite you anymore. They are still exciting to me!

[Giorgio Grandi]

Pee is not hardcore at all in my scale, but it is a extreme act, more extreme than Fisting, DAP or gangbang. I think only a bukkake overcame it imho.
The "dry version" is available only in USA, even is usa is big it cant overcame the rest for the word. The wet version is available to a bigger amount of people and of course it includes the dry version for get more audience. Furthermore you should add that in general users tend to be interested in content with models of the same nationality.
I want to add to shoot wet content is for sure not pleasant for anyone involved, if it is possible most of people involved try to avoid it (unless they do not have any other market/choice ). I dont hang over the wet content otherwise I wont release it, but I notice pee users use to do not accept decision with sportiness, and as they do not own the website, they could respect choices more sensibly instead than freak out like a woman in PMS

Pee by itself is not a best seller, nothing by itself is a best seller, and pee is considered hardcore. A wet scene will outsell the dry version of the same scene EVERY single time, and not by a small margin. It sells not because people are not bothered by pee, but because they like it. Those that do not, buy the dry version, and THEY are the minority.

You CAN increase the quality of hardcore without "dry season" , and saying the "dry season" was the only way is pure bullshit. You don't like shooting wet, and that is fine. You said it, I accepted it and I will proceed with even more caution before purchasing more tickets in the future, knowing there is a GIO noose hanging over the wet content.

I do not wish for all the scenes to be wet scenes. I do like variety, but the dry season, and your dislike for wet scenes, has caused me to support wet scenes only. There are dry scenes I would like to purchase, but I fear another dry season may return if I do. I renewed my subscription when wet scenes started showing up again. Unfortunately, you do not release enough wet content to justify keeping my monthly membership active. I cancelled my subscription once I hit 250+ tickets, and I am currently sitting at around 227 and it is impossible for me to spend the allocated 40tickets per moth. So now I wait to hit under 25tickets to get active membership again, because during the dry season I got stuck with unusable tickets for a long long time.

Having said that, I enjoy wet releases here at LP, there is nothing like it anywhere on the web. I will always support it as I have in the past, and when you don't I won't. Am I the minority? Sure, keep telling yourself that.[/quote]

[drevokocur66]

Pee is not hardcore at all in my scale, but it is a extreme act, more extreme than Fisting, DAP or gangbang. I think only a bukkake overcame it imho.
The "dry version" is available only in USA, even is usa is big it cant overcame the rest for the word. The wet version is available to a bigger amount of people and of course it includes the dry version for get more audience. Furthermore you should add that in general users tend to be interested in content with models of the same nationality.
I want to add to shoot wet content is for sure not pleasant for anyone involved, if it is possible most of people involved try to avoid it (unless they do not have any other market/choice ). I dont hang over the wet content otherwise I wont release it, but I notice pee users use to do not accept decision with sportiness, and as they do not own the website, they could respect choices more sensibly instead than freak out like a woman in PMS

I view pee the same as I view anal sex... extremely intimate, but everyone labels things as they see fit.
All versions are available to everyone, simple use of VPN or TOR browser. IRC the earlier releases, in non censored countries, you saw both. The earlier separate releases of wet and dry versions let's say gio 437 and gio 438 had the two versions priced 1.3 tickets apart... 5.5 vs 4.2 end result, wet 5.5 version 1st place, the cheaper dry version.. dead last. You can say some people don't mind pee, but none would pay substantially more for something they don't care for.

It is pointless to argue, and I am merely trying to relay how I see thing from my side of the fence. You are on the other side doing the same thing. The difference is, I like piss and you do not... whatever the reasons are.
You can trust me to be pro wet content, and I can trust you to be against.

If you had said, we will be expanding our content to attract a larger customer base.. and as a result there will be more content diversity, which means less of some previous content.. sure, I am a good sport. But you went to .. piss is evil, no one likes it, it must be gone.

Officially, piss is not back, as I don't recall XXX (other than saying "the studio is getting wet on regular basis") saying it is. I assume it is back because it makes money, and the minute you feel you can do without it, it will be gone.
At the moment, I do the only thing I can do, and that is to support wet content only. You would do the same.

No one here is PMSing, but do realize, your decisions in regards to LP affect many. Mine, only myself.

[Anotherfine]

Yip. A forum almost devoid of any daily interest anymore and a hive of negativity. I've lost a load of my interest posting often here as it's the same over and over.

Forum went downhill after Laura left

[kidloco2]

Subject: Why is there so much complaining?

I really think WTF is wrong with customers sometimes... I take critics from sensible themes but on BS or with BS arguments or even on thinks are not true and from people that did not even watched the scene but just the trailer I do not take it. I would be a hypocrite to write to someone who did not pay for the content or did not watch the content at all smt like "oh man, you are right, we will put more afford"

Giorgio, I don't think approaching any customers with this kind of prejudice is the best thing you can do.
That concerns me a lot, I thought I couldn't give you more clues and you still seem
to not understand it. For the heck what kind of limited thinking evaluation do you use when you judge posters
for not buying or watching a scene? This is disrespect, as you never really know them. You just do exactly the same what you're saying they do to you. Do you realize one can have thousands of LP accounts if he wants to? Do you realize that someone can watch full scene somewhere (in horrible quality) as a preview and then goes and buys this scene on LP if he likes it? And you call them into "thieves"

In the same way I can call you a "thief" if you use someone else's idea posted on the forum. Naturally posting on the forum doesn't make it automatically free to use or give up on intellectual property, otherwise it would make all illegal sites legit, right? So instead to give them some credit for support you call them BS.

If there are insiders on the forum? Yes, sure, what else would you expect on such successful site? If they represent their insider's side interests? I highly highly doubt.
Im always representing my personal point of view here, since I like pornography and being in contact with other people. I hope I'll let you understand it in a bigger picture. It's NOT always black and white.
As for piss, I think right now there is the perfect amount of it in recent video. Not more, not less. Right now if I were you, I'd focus on model management and model schedules so there's anytime something for anyone and on improving scene flow and anal positions (esp. DAP).

kid

[kidloco2]

Yip. A forum almost devoid of any daily interest anymore and a hive of negativity. I've lost a load of my interest posting often here as it's the same over and over.

Forum went downhill after Laura left

Aaaahh, right. Where did she(he) end up?

[dap-addict]

As I understood it was purely personal reasons for Laura, nothing to do with the forum at all.
This said, I do miss her posts!

Now, this thread is a heap of bad emotions basically - just the opposite OP intended I guess.
First of all I wanna agree with magizi that a lot is better called comments or suggestions than complaints. Apart from those morons calling a model they dont like 'ugly' of course.
What else? - I sometimes do write in if a 0% pussy / no pussy billed scene features pussy fucking, but I am not throwing away such a scene frustrated or too jaded. I just mention inconsistency and silently ask for better direction and better post-production editing. Second: Variety is the clue of porn success, but LP has developed certain standards over the years. Hard anal sex is the core of it all, hardcore anal users are the base as Giorgio put it above, pee and other fetishes are niches to be catered for possible of course, but not main features. Me, I do buy a lot of scenes inspire of pee. Its alright. I do buy them as I buy naked girl scenes although I prefer them to perform in lingerie and heels. But the girls and their performances count first, the rest is an addition spicing it further up for me or not so - eventually. I can live with it and still enjoy my porn. Only condoms i porn I can't live with!
Last not least: I still run out of tickets after less then 2 weeks usually! I regularly re-charge buying 120tkts and I dont complain about that!

Why there is so much complaining?
Its human nature. But better call it commenting and suggestions - and take those serious because it has made LP big and will make it bigger still as long as directors like Giorgio continue to listen to us users here in the forum as well as shown in the sales statistics! But here, too! The more as suggestions here are much more realistic as in that special scene requests page.

And finally: Why not open this forum only to current LP members, those with tickets still and those buying tickets on a regular basis? Real users instead of posers!