Ticket prices out of control?

[gapefan]

Premium content demands a premium price, simple as that

I will gladly continue to pay the entry fee

[dap-addict]

I just stumbled on a scene by IV not even a year old for 1.1TKT. Sigle girl scenes were from 1.1 to max. 2.5TKT, double girl was from 2.9 to 4. Now it's usually 4TKT for single and 5TKT for double respectively, but they started to split the scenes, but production cost remains the same, so it's double income.

I generally don't mind the cost and the split scenes but I find IV ticket prices over the top. They just seem to split scenes so they can charge double

IV first attracted users with cheap prices probabely under production costs, than increased to get investment back (the 4 or 5tkt phase) and now switched to splitting scenes to compensate for generally low sales.

In the case tkt prices get so abusive as with IV and start harming LP as porn brand I think xxx should take an emergency break.


Disclaimer: This said, GIO is a completely different case and in another post Giorgio Grandi explained step by step how productions costs increased and what he has to pass on to the users to play in some profit to finance future scenes of the same quality level. Same is true for gonzo studio, Proxy and other studios.

[dap-addict]

This is GG's step by step explanation of the tkt cost increase in his productions:
(Too difficult to understand? )

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I did not want to answer you, because I do not think this is a topic, but really Im too sick today.

I recently shot a scene with Ria very similar to her Sperma party from 2015, here few data for you:

Performers:
Model payout / agency fees +35%
Boys payout + 25%

Location:
The cost of location/accommodation and anything concerning this is increased from 2015 to 2016 of 50%, now in 2017, moving into a new facility we save probably 5-10% comparing to last year

Technology:
The Sperma Party has been shot with a camera that costed me about 4000usd, now I shoot with a camera camera that costed me over 20000usd. The post production requires more time and more expensive technology.

Organization:
In 2015 I did not have any fixed employee except the editor, now I have 3 + several "continuous collaborators"

General expenses:
I dont have a stat for 2017, but between 2015 and 2016 the general expenses of my company that produces content for LP increases of about 35%.

Then, another consideration (the more important).
Please be aware that from 2005 to 2015 the payout for models basically did not increase at all (if you compare a salary of a mason in Czech Republic increased of about 30% in that time). This brought to a decrease of the new model recruited in Cz.

As we run a model agency as well, we are trying to increase the payout for the girls as it should (and its hard). Even if Russia and Ukraine are the poorest, to recruit girls is more difficult in 2017 then 2015, there are no doubts about it. Even the cost of VISA is almost the double from 2015 and the not approved visa, border issues and all the bullshits concerning the trip organization are increase madly (I dont have a stat about this, but I think we talk about 150-200% more on monthly base.

I know what you are going to answer so I already answer you: to keep things as they were means dying. In 2017 I benefited from of a pool for of girls already performing, in the next years we had to invest somewhere else for keep a source of girls.

Other point: is very correct that payout of models increase as they get experience and they keep selling, its a simply market rule.

Few considerations:
We do not two squander money, if you consider that we have as car a citoen cactus bought in Sept. 2014 and a skoda octavia (bought used on Jan 2016)
Im sick since June 19, but Im forced to work taking Paracetamol every 4 hours for keep going because I need to shoot content in advance because I fucking want to go in holiday and spend time with my kids and keep releasing content.

Produce high quality porn cost and keep producing constantly cost more. Back in 2005 a DVD with 4 scenes as we produce not would cost smt like 40-50 euro, on LP still cost you the half.

Btw,

Premium content demands a premium price, simple as that

I will gladly continue to pay the entry fee

Exactly!
And only IV which is far from premium quality I dont pay anymore - if I can withhold not to watch a new scene by a fave girl.

[Sir Noel]

Agree, Giorgio's scenes are a different case. Clearly they more thought, better lit, better shot on better sets and scenes that are split have enough to justify the split. They are not simply one single scene split into two.

[VisceralVenom]

Premium content demands a premium price, simple as that

I will gladly continue to pay the entry fee

Agreed - My only complaint is the scenes being separated and having to wait. I think Porn is a little different than a TV show, lol.

[kidloco2]

I'm all against primitive splitting. At least, make each part a solid scene with beginnig, content and ending and each with different sexual content.
Giorgio tried to do it, but it's not 100%. Second part is always much intense than the first, but I get it's intentional, so most people buy all parts anyway. That's why I'm against this. Only xxx has numbers, which and how many people have bought which part or all of them.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Numbers are easy to understand on this page: https://www.legalporno.com/best-videos

Belle Factor #1 - 4/100
Belle Factor #2 - 5/100
First part wins

Jureka Degrading #2 - 15/100
Jureka Degrading #1 - 27/100

Laras Perversions #2 - 21/100
Laras Perversions #1 - 76/100

Angel Perversions #2 - 32/100
Angel Perversions #1 - 36/100

Vampires #1 - 42/100/100
First part wins

Clockwork pilot #2 - 47/100
Clockwork pilot #1 - 63/100
Clockwork pilot #3 - 90/100
First and second part win

Some Kind of #1 - 99/100
First part wins

Its actually not true that last part sells every time more then the previously, it really depends.
Btw, to hit the top 100 is not something easy at all.

[HwtOxc8K]

Vampires is underrated. Should be top 10!

[aeolian43]

I didn't come back to this thread for a while and read all the replies just now, including Giorgio's response. I agree with many of the points he made, things have got expensive so things naturally cost more. Thank you Giorgio for posting, you are a legend of the industry. The issue is how much the price has increased, it's on average a 40-50% price hike. (Over the past few weeks, the cost has improved and I have noticed it.) A scene which cost around 3 tickets previously (2 girls, multiple guys) goes for around 6-7 tickets now which is what stopped me reloading tickets for a while as it became cost prohibitive. Whilst the LP scenes are 40% better than the big studios with monthly pricing (e.g. 21Sextury, HardX, JulesJordan etc.) LP pricing makes it 1000% more expensive to retain a membership (if you are buying every scene) - that's where the problem lies, why pay 960% more for a product which is definitely better but not so much to justify the price. For me, what has kept me paying is the models and that I like the "exclusive" aspect of LP where only hardcore fans of DP/DAP/TAP collect together.

I will always support LP no matter what the cost as long as the content keeps coming but if the member base can be expanded you will earn more money because more people will be willing to give their hard earned cash; I'm confused when Giorgio says he isn't making good money, I would think that LP directors make much more money than a normal porn studio where it costs ~$20 for a monthly membership where you can access every single scene ever made on the site. Giorgio has also stopped shooting pictures with his scenes which is very, very bad for me as I only buy scenes for the picture sets (I don't like video).

[Giorgio Grandi]

What next if about me, and me only. I dont talk about other studios

- Price of performers increased about 30% in the last 2 years, this is fact
- 1usd was 27 czk, now is about 22 (this hits all the other costs we need for support the production as employees, rentals, etc)

At now over 50% of "profit on content" goes to other cost. Then you need to understand we pay also 20% tax. Profit if still good, payment are regular and LP is a good company to make business with.
I dont know what other producer (outside LP) are doing exactly, for sure someone complains and I feel me privileged to work with LP because in 15 years in this industry no one is regular with payments as XXX, and this means really a lot.

Said that, to make content that sells is not easy at all on LP, you can easily lose money if you fuckup a scene and you wrong a combination of performers.

[aeolian43]

What next if about me, and me only. I dont talk about other studios

- Price of performers increased about 30% in the last 2 years, this is fact
- 1usd was 27 czk, now is about 22 (this hits all the other costs we need for support the production as employees, rentals, etc)

At now over 50% of "profit on content" goes to other cost. Then you need to understand we pay also 20% tax. Profit if still good, payment are regular and LP is a good company to make business with.
I dont know what other producer (outside LP) are doing exactly, for sure someone complains and I feel me privileged to work with LP because in 15 years in this industry no one is regular with payments as XXX, and this means really a lot.

Said that, to make content that sells is not easy at all on LP, you can easily lose money if you fuckup a scene and you wrong a combination of performers.

I think I'm starting to understand what you mean. You pay for the scene out of your own pocket (and talent prices have gone up + lower CZK to USD conversion) and then xxx acts as a distributor of your scene and pays you a certain percentage of the profit? Is that right?

If it's like that then I can understand why your profit margins are lower than I thought - but then the next question is, how much money do other porn studios make and how do they ever make a profit on ~$20 charges for the whole site catalog of scenes eg. EvilAngel, DPFanatics etc?

[VisceralVenom]

What next if about me, and me only. I dont talk about other studios

- Price of performers increased about 30% in the last 2 years, this is fact
- 1usd was 27 czk, now is about 22 (this hits all the other costs we need for support the production as employees, rentals, etc)

At now over 50% of "profit on content" goes to other cost. Then you need to understand we pay also 20% tax. Profit if still good, payment are regular and LP is a good company to make business with.
I dont know what other producer (outside LP) are doing exactly, for sure someone complains and I feel me privileged to work with LP because in 15 years in this industry no one is regular with payments as XXX, and this means really a lot.

Said that, to make content that sells is not easy at all on LP, you can easily lose money if you fuckup a scene and you wrong a combination of performers.

I think I'm starting to understand what you mean. You pay for the scene out of your own pocket (and talent prices have gone up + lower CZK to USD conversion) and then xxx acts as a distributor of your scene and pays you a certain percentage of the profit? Is that right?

If it's like that then I can understand why your profit margins are lower than I thought - but then the next question is, how much money do other porn studios make and how do they ever make a profit on ~$20 charges for the whole site catalog of scenes eg. EvilAngel, DPFanatics etc?

Jay Sin from EvilAngel practically quit the industry due to costs. He evaluated the cost, time, effort vs going on vacation and shooting something smaller and more affordable. All he does now is release Tranny porn. It was a sad day when he announced his semi-retirement.

[gapefan]

Jay Sin did take a hiatus, and yes that was a sad day
However, he recently announced his intent to return on ADT forum!
Starting with a tour of Europe!
https://forum. adultdvdtalk. com/jay-sin-appreciation-society/reply/3268139

I will start shooting in Europe soon and make my way to the states. I would like to show girls from all over to give you guys a mix of worldwide gapes

Here's hoping he can recruit some of the beautiful women we know from LegalPorno, to star in his gape-centric ass-rimming girl-on-girl gape-fart-festivals!

[kidloco2]

how do they ever make a profit on ~$20 charges for the whole site catalog of scenes eg. EvilAngel, DPFanatics etc?

If I might get into your discussion, IMHO the reasons are: content redistributing and rereleasing, VoD redistribution (very good money) to big VoD sites, advertisement, much bigger customer base.

[kidloco2]

Jay Sin did take a hiatus, and yes that was a sad day
However, he recently announced his intent to return on ADT forum!
Starting with a tour of Europe!
https://forum. adultdvdtalk. com/jay-sin-appreciation-society/reply/3268139

I will start shooting in Europe soon and make my way to the states. I would like to show girls from all over to give you guys a mix of worldwide gapes

Here's hoping he can recruit some of the beautiful women we know from LegalPorno, to star in his gape-centric ass-rimming girl-on-girl gape-fart-festivals!

Another porn 'dead man' respawn from the dead? Haha, that's funny actually!