Porn and AI?

[paulyshoresituation]

So there have been a lot of deep fakes with porn on sites that look very realistic. Some very good ones I noticed a while back are the premiumbukkake ones where they would put female celebrities in it and it looks real as well. For Megan Fox, I believe the video used Vicky Love and well their body look a bit similar to it makes it more realistic. Some videos would use Rebecca Volpetti as the actress and put Natalie Portman and Sarah Michelle Gellar and it looks realistic. It looks real since those 2 celebrities are skinny. I have noticed other celebrities like Gal Gadot, Oliva Wilde and Angelia Jolie and it looks real. Now even if you saw the premiumbukkake videos of those porn girls, well it's obviously fake but it looks real still.


I then notice on social media when someone post a picture, someone can easily use AI and turn that picture into another picture of a gif and I was shocked. For example, I notice one picture of a female office arresting someone and in jail and that female office is attractive. The gif looked real and it showed her showing her behind like in a very short video. Is this very easy to do? It seems to be as lot of accounts seem to do this so it doesn't seem that hard. So they just type in the AI program, have the girl do a striptease showing her behind?


I know there are a lot of those undressing apps. The thing is these gifs I notice on social media look extremely real. The thing is these don't take much time at all and anyone can do it? The thing is you can't have that program generate nude or porn or you can? Since I don't think I notice any pic or gif on social media that does that. But that program could be used on a regular computer to do it? What about a Chromebook or it needs windows or Mac?


The fake porn videos on those deep fake sites, I know those are created by users. The thing is do those still take hours? I recall it was mentioned those could take a while. People would pay others for a video like that of their favorite celebrity and all that. Those videos can't have AI do everything right?


Now what about those gifs though? Could you put any female face over a person and make it look realistic with ease that anyone can do it? Could you just have a picture of a celebrity like from a photoshoot and the AI would have them like dance or something like that? It seems like you could and that seems amazing. I notice there are things like AI with voices where you could have some celebrity or popular person and they would say things for a minute or so and it sounds like their voice as well. How hard is that to do? You obviously need a sample voice of that person to do this but how much seconds would you need?

[paulyshoresituation]

So this is what I'm curious about with this. Since a lot of these pictures and gifs and deep fake videos are with celebrities and similar, would it be easy to do this with actual pornstars or retired pornstars? I know I might sound confusing since they currently do or did porn. But say you want to have images or gifs or videos of them doing anything. Or something like them doing porn that they never did or probably never do.


For example, how hard or easy would it be to have like retired pornstars like Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee or Jane Darling in a deep fakes premiumbukkake video? I assume well that wouldn't be hard for people who already created premiumbukkake videos with celebrities right? Thing is they have to find the female pornstar who looks like them the most? So for Suzie Diamond, Freya Dee would be the closest even though Suzie is like 6 inches taller. But then you have tall pornstars like Venera Maxima who are 5'11 who is Suzie's height but the issue is she is blonde and doesn't look like her though. So how do the people who create these videos do this? Like do those celebrities look the same height assuming they are standing up? Now what about a gif or pictures then? I recall there was one photo on social media of an active pornstar and the photoshop of it was really good and it looked like this person would appear in the next bukkake event but that was not true. I do believe that blonde pornstar said they would do it though but I forgot the name. Now a photoshop picture would be simple but what about a gif of some sort? I am sort of surprised there haven't been any deep fakes videos of retired pornstars or current pornstars that haven't done anything extreme? Like imagine czechgang series or ggg and they use Lucy Lee in place of another girl that looks similar. Or any top current female pornstar and in something like that?


I saw like 2 Olivia Wilde deep fakes videos that were really good. I forgot the name of the porn actress but the video looked very real. Now when it comes to voice, if you have say 10 seconds of someone speaking, could you use that for the AI to generate their voice saying anything? Could people who create videos then do this with the deep fake video and even make their voice say certain things? The thing is could AI just generate something of Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee real easily? Or any girl you could think of?

[ruqin_zhang]

Jacquieetmicheltv created AI porn, so I blacklisted it. Selling ugly women with beautiful faces is a scam. AI doesn't make sense. We want real people; AI doesn't exist.

[davebowman]

I find it all a bit depressing to be honest. We've already seen a massive decline in the ability of producers to release quality material with real girls - unfortunately AI is just going to add to that. We've already got zombie studios re-editing scenes and flipping angles to create 'new' scenes - next they'll be running them through AI filters to add a few more cosmetic differences and sell the same stuff over and over again. And once the technology is indistinguishable from reality, what's going to be the appeal of spending money hiring actual human beings and cameramen, when you can just create a scene by typing in a few prompts?

[paulyshoresituation]

So how hard would it be to do a picture or gif or video with Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee then? The Premiumbukkake videos with the voice matching would take the longest and hardest. What about the picture or gifs though?


Imagine say a real picture of Suzie Diamond nude from a while back but then make it a gif where she dances. Would that be easy to do or hard?



But any long video even a minute would be hard to do right?

[ArcanaCaelestia]

So how hard would it be to do a picture or gif or video with Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee then? The Premiumbukkake videos with the voice matching would take the longest and hardest. What about the picture or gifs though?


Imagine say a real picture of Suzie Diamond nude from a while back but then make it a gif where she dances. Would that be easy to do or hard?



But any long video even a minute would be hard to do right?

This has already been done. Generating indistinguishable content is few years away technologically and just being gatekept at the moment for the obvious criminal inclinations. For me the biggest surprise is no rush at cashing out to what seems is the end of human created content.

[maxymax]

Jacquieetmicheltv created AI porn, so I blacklisted it. Selling ugly women with beautiful faces is a scam. AI doesn't make sense. We want real people; AI doesn't exist.

+1000

[hyapet]

Lots of questions here - let's go through them one at a time so OP gets a clear idea on what's what - and everyone else has an idea of how this is most likely going to look going forward.

First off - Deepfakes ARE NOT AI. Well, not specifically. Not yet.

What a Deepfake is - is the human manipulation of a face using a computer program - that essentially makes the face itself "mathematics." In that - a face is broken down into two-thousand or so "nodes" (individual points on a face) that all carry data - or - the information on what the face itself looks like. Now, even though you've got those two thousand nodes positioned for the face - these "nodes" are just the face from a singular angle. You need multiple angles. Side angles and the camera-is-up-high angles and the camera-is-looking-up angles - and ... well ... all angles that a face can be taken at. Essentially creating a "true 3-D" version of the model. It can kind of understand the depth and nuances of the face from a 2D image - kind of - but what it really needs is all the other angles the face can be taken at (the side angles, etc. etc.). So ... you create data sets of what the face looks like from multiple angles.

You would then compile the "two thousand nodes" of every individual angle that is needed together in a singular "model." A model that could interpret what all of those nodes would look like in a more fully 3D way. So, that way, when the camera angle changes unexpectedly in a shoot, the "3D model" of the face you have can remain consistent.

So, you have a model, and this could be a model of Taylor Swift, or Selma Hayak, or ... Lucy Lee.

Next - once the "model data set" is created - that's only half the battle. The next half is finding a video - and then creating another "model mask" on the face of the actress you want to replace.

So now, the next part comes in, where you have to go (I believe manually) throughout the video, constantly and consistently applying the two-thousand-node mask onto the actress you want to actually replace. That way - when you've got the mask successfully applied ... the two thousand nodes from the model you're replacing ... can actually be replaced with the two thousand nodes of the Lucy Lee you want to be in the video instead.

This takes an insane amount of work. Like, hundreds, if not thousands of hours of work. It's nuts.

Okay - so ... what about AI?

AI doesn't "transfer" the face - it merely "recreates a guess at what the face you want actually looks like." It isn't copy pasting - it's doing an artist's reinterpretation every single time.

You can tell this on all the programs that are like, "Hey, just upload the face of the girl you want to be in the video instead, and we'll change it for you!" These programs never work. Or, rather, they work extremely poorly.

And why is that? Well, because what it's doing is creating a 2D image - and trying to super-impose it over what it believes to be another 2D image. The actual dimension of space is lost. Unlike the Deepfake, which is an actual 3D model, the AI "clone" is merely a 2D image that's "very loosely" applied over the areas that "make sense." That's why the AI sites are always like, "This is the best camera angle for the girl in your clip to be at" - and that's why that best camera angle is always staring straight at you. Because that's the only way this "2D masking" can effectively work. And even then it doesn't.

AI gets confused by the two separate models at the same time. So, what often happens is, the model will morph with time in some kind of weird conglomeration between what the model actually looks like - and the model you want to replace it with. It will often only take very "brief suggestions" from the model you want, and instead of actually replacing the face, will make the ears a little bit longer, or the nose a little bit bigger, or the eyes a touch more this or that - but it won't actually replace the model outright. It can't. It knows that if it actually tries to - the fact that it's essentially "slapping a 2D model over a 3D space" will become more than apparent.

How long will it take for AI to catch up?

In this regard - probably a good five to ten years - and even then, that tech will be heavily gate-kept. Like, let's be real, it's more than just the technology. It's the power needed to recreate a 2D image into a 3D space constantly (that's 30 image creations per second of footage) while knowing how to maintain the original clip and interpret the data you specifically want over to it.

Make no mistake - the tech is probably already available now - to high-end movie studios who've invested millions upon millions of dollars in creating and fine-tuning it. There are probably lots of smaller projects that have come a long way as well. That's not the issue. The issue is hosting.

It takes an absolute huge amount of resources to create AI clips. Even people who pay money to create clips (and a pretty dollar at that) often end up with bizarre unrealistic shit (like a woman's body turns around but her head stays looking at you the whole time) or body parts move in and out of the body itself in eerie and unsettling ways. Movie makers at the highest end (ChatGPT - Google) have solved many of these problems - but even if the NSFW generators were able to get their hands on the technology - nobody could afford the resources needed to both run and create said clips on a public site that you could just access. It's insanely resource intensive. So ...

The idea of AI replacing somebody with Lucy Lee in your favorite porno movie - that's highly unlikely for ten years - and even then, when it does become "possible" or "feasible" - the government itself will shut down such sites and services immediately, so that a random girl doesn't wake up one day to go to school and find all of her friends sharing a video of her getting double anal'd by BBC's in super realistic detail, like she was actually there. There's severe real world repercussions to this kind of thing - and even though that might not be your intent (to do something wrong) - the reality is - somebody out there absolutely will. So ... don't count on this coming out any time soon.

Your best bet would be to get into a Deepfake community and see if you could find somebody who's willing to put in the work for you for X amount of dollars. With X easily being hundreds, if not more, dollars. So, I guess it depends on how much you really want it.

But, it gets even trickier than that, because the rich and famous have a particular beef regarding these people, not only are they most likely extremely well hidden/hard to find, but the places where they hang out might not be the safest (computer wise - or even real world wise) to travel too freely in. There was a huge shut down recently of Mr. DeepFakes - spreading apart the community - and largely losing a lot of the content that was there (or keeping it in private hands - with no public domain to safely host it on).

Believe it or not - the folks who make millions of dollars because their face is on a movie poster - don't want the image of their face getting cummed on by thirty negros on the Internet. Go figure.

So, yeah. It's actually possible, but ... just, be warned.

At the end of the day, it really just depends on how badly you want it.

Like most things in life.

[paulyshoresituation]

The thing is this. There are a lot of pictures on X like with a celebrity profile that is a fan page but they post only pictures of the celebrity. So imagine a Gal Gadot profile that has mainly her photos. You read tweets from that account like do I look good and all that I'm sure many of you seen those X profiles of people who post this whether it's a fan who makes a profile of someone and only post their photos or many other women photos. Or it could be an actual woman who post this related to their other social media. The thing is you notice how the Gal Gadot account would post lot of photos of her but it is clearly fake. I'm not talking about photos of her nude but just you can tell it's fake.


So are those just deep fake or AI then? Those just look AI. Like imagine a picture of her in a superwoman costume but it's obviously that isn't a real picture. I notice lot of these pictures on opensea ai as well. So how long do those take to generate?


I noticed some Suzie Diamond photos and even Anna Lacey photos posted on the opensea ai site which is created by some users. So those take how long?


How long does it take for those deep fake premiumbukkake videos of celebrities then? Many of these videos are literally the same length as the original video. So a 30 minute video of say Vicky Love in premiumbukkake would have Megan Fox face on it the entire 30 minutes. Those take on average how long? Some of them are very good. There was one that is a short clip I saw of Mila Kunis and when she speaks, it literally sounds like her exact voice the whole time. I know there is a full video of it but I only saw a bit of it. Those take at least how many hours?


The thing is I notice a lot of these deep fake premiumbukkake videos are mainly with celebrities and actresses and models. So you think they do these videos because others ask for it and pay hundreds at least? So that is why there are new girls being posted on the site? The thing is I never noticed a pornstar or former pornstar deep fake premiumbukkake. Like imagine a Riley Reid one even though she did many bukkake videos before but obviously not like premiumbukkake.


What about those photos on X that get turned into a gif really quick? Those are for sure AI right? I recall on X, there is that box that says make your own video. So it would seem like anyone can just make a gif really easily? Like imagine a picture of Gal Gadot. Could you ask the AI on that program on X to show a picture of Gal Gadot suddenly smiling and laughing? The thing is it seems that way?

[hyapet]

Yes and no.

What you're seeing is a lot of "retouching" apps that can take a face and "young-ify" it. So, I could upload a picture of yourself, and then after like fifteen seconds or so, an image pops out where all of your wrinkles are gone, your complexion is absolutely perfect, and the light in your eyes shine in the most noticeable manner as well.

These aren't apps that "recreate" the whole picture - they are apps that "uplift" an existing picture - and it's not just Gal Gadot - but everyone out there that are using these. In fact - they've been using them for years before AI. Every Smartphone that takes a picture automatically makes anyone that's legitimately 75 years old look like they're 35. And anyone that's below 60 as if they're 18 to 25 years old.

The problem is - the AI isn't applying new and unique techniques to every phone it "uplifts" - rather, just the same technique over and over and over again. Meaning, that perfect application of light and shading on the picture you just uploaded? It's the same as every other picture that gets uploaded (essentially). What this does is it creates this kind of "sheen" where - having grown accustomed to what it is and what it looks like - everybody can now tell when a person's photo has been "uplifted by AI." And, in turn, the desirability of such photos has fallen.

There's a term for it - and it's called "AI Slop."

Now - it gets even worse.

What's happened is that most of the early models of AI that were created were made by copying and studying and diagnosing real photos. These produced very life-like results. Actually, a bit too life-like.

Many of the same actors and actresses that didn't appreciate people stripping them down or DeepFaking them were absolutely pissed that now people could put their picture into an AI square and, essentially, have a nude created of them that looked, essentially, life-like. So, what they did was put pressure on all the legal apparatuses of the United States (where most of this stuff is coming from) to ban these programs from being able to, well, essentially function.

The AI creators got scared. And so, what they did as a result, is they started to lean their models more heavily into the "cartoon" aspect of things. Now almost everything the latest models produce looks like an early 2000's CGI puppet. They've completely nuked their own models to make them less capable of creating life-like skin or poses or, especially, faces.

Even worse? AI cannot train on AI. Meaning, all of the images it made originally and flooded the Internet with (that looked super life-like), make for extremely poor training material. But train on these images it does anyways. So, between the nerfing of the programs by the developers themselves, the corrupted pool of data that the training models get their data from, and the fact that most people have developed an "uncanny-valley eye" for all things AI, the popularity and capability of image generation has largely fallen off a cliff.

Add to this - there are "safety measures" that have been installed - to make sure that anything that approaches the face of a person produces absolute garbage as a result.

I mean, the things AI image programs are pumping out now are remarkably worse than the very first images it produced when it first started. That's how bad things have gotten. You tell an AI image generator to fix somebody's face - and it cannot even render a 3D image. It makes stuff that the original 3D modelers in the 90's would absolutely wince at.

So - AI capability is still capable of doing these things - but it's all underground now. You have to actually run set-ups and mainstay programs on your machine - and then get legacy libraries from the pre June or July 2024 - and then recreate a completely backwards compatible environment to produce things that are as good as they were 18 months ago.

But that's images.

And video technology wasn't that far along yet at that point. So, finding an AI video making program that can operate on the level of mid-2024 AI image creation in a NSFW manner in this day and age? I don't want to say it's impossible - but I haven't heard of or found one yet.

Most video creation programs can only do 10 second clips anyways. And then it looks like that "AI Slop" I mentioned earlier.

Those who have private set-ups in their homes (and I'm talking top-of-the-line computers here) that run the latest available AI video producing programs - AND - have the old-school libraries of super realism installed - even they can only, really, produce a minute long clip at maximum, before elements just start deforming from one another.

Only Google and ChatGPT and probably a few Chinese firms have come up with the capacity to create long-form video content - and that stuff just isn't readily available in the NSFW space yet - and probably won't be for a long time. You have to remember - putting real people's faces on content that is NSFW and making it look 100% real - is the exact recipe for folks to start suing the companies or for governments to get involved and say, "You can't handle this yourselves, so we're going to get involved."

It will always exist underground - but to create such a thing - will take a lot of money, a lot of time (and training), and then a lot of patience to make what it is you desire. And then - and even then - when you've accomplished all of this - and you've got the most realistic thing that AI can possibly produce - your brain is still going to rebel against it with the "uncanny-valley eye" - in that, you'll just be able to feel that something is off. And really, you won't be able to do anything about that.

So AI video generation is and will probably remain for some time ... completely unsuitable for your needs. That's your particular needs. Of wanting a (somewhat realistically) aging porn-star to be grafted onto what legitimately looks like a real body.

Which brings us to the DeepFakes.

Which is that whole "node" system I mentioned. That transfer the face and keeps the "AI Slop" element out of it entirely. So, find a Premium Bukkake video that looks like Lucy Lee's body, or the body you would like Lucy Lee to have, and then have someone transfer the face over.

And for that - it wouldn't be that difficult to accomplish this. Why?

Because the face doesn't do too many twists or turns during the shoot? The camera isn't going crazy. The scenes aren't changing everywhere all the time. It's essentially just the girl looking straight at the camera for fifteen to thirty minutes straight while receiving up to a hundred shots of glorious goo all over their faces. That straight-forward not-moving effect would make creating the in-video model a lot less time-consuming, I would guess.

So, in that sense, it's probably doable.

What needs to really happen is for AI to be able to complete the "node masks" quickly on models. Once that happens - DeepFakes will really be able to take off. Once they teach AI to essentially create a node-mask of a girl's face by just looking at it - they can probably go and create a swap of any two actresses in the timeframe of an afternoon. I don't know - maybe it's already there - but I haven't seen anything to suggest that it is.

DeepFake would be the way to go.

AI, for the most part, has turned into complete slop.

We're probably going to have to wait for a Chinese company to come around with the more authentically realistic face-model system yet - to just have the entire North American market go over and use that stuff instead - at which point, you might see things start moving the other way again. Until then, however, relying on AI is ... well, it's passable - it's great even - but, you have to understand, things do change with time.

The face that looks great today - might not look so great in a week from now - and might look like a clay model abomination in half a year's time. Once your mind begins to pick up the tricks needed to discern that these photos aren't actually real - they in turn become a lot worse. It depends on how much time you've spent looking at them.

But, regardless of how much time you've spent looking at AI photos, with every passing minute that you look at it, in a culminative manner, it's just going to get worse.

Who knows - maybe the sheppards of online AI image generation will improve their models to the point where there will be a breakthrough in quality - and the "uncanny-valley" feeling will reset itself. Either way, though.

DeepFakes are most likely the way to go.

[paulyshoresituation]

That is very interesting on all you mentioned. So would someone with no computer or ai knowledge or deep fake knowledge have an issue just creating say a deep fake or ai Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee picture or gif then? Deep fake video would obviously be the hardest as those take hours.


So imagine a real old picture of Suzie Diamond or Lucy Lee from a real photo gallery. Then have her like move her lips or shake a bit and that. I seen a lot of things like this on X so those are easy or hard?



So the deep fake videos of premiumbukkake like with more celebrities, it's usually people pay for that and then those people who create videos do that and get paid but they post the video freely online if the other person wanted to? I read people do videos privately as well. So imagine someone wants say a premiumbukkake video of say Elizabeth Hurley. Say it's Suzie Diamond. Say it's a girl they know personally. Would that person do those videos if that other person is going to pay for it? The thing is what about a private person though? That is probably no since those are breaking privacy laws? But yes only if that video isn't shared and found online right and that person tells the other it's private so don't post that online? How long would it take for someone to create a premiumbukkake deepfake video with Elizabeth Hurley then if the real video of the premiumbukkake actress is 30 minutes? Would it be harder or the same with a retired porn actress like Suzie Diamond? The thing is I'm surprised there aren't fake premiumbukkake videos of active pornstars even. Is there no demand? Example say you want a premiumbukkake video of Alexa Tomas or Elena Lux. Well that can be done but no demand for it? But for old retired pornstars, still not much?

[paulyshoresituation]

Okay so I noticed a Lucy Lee short gif deep fake and noticed on the top right the ai program I used.


I then went to that site and just registered a free account. I save a picture of Suzie Diamond from a photo gallery. I uploaded it to that site and then typed in some actions like


She is licking her Lips

She is showing her breasts



It took a short bit but then a gif came out of each one. The first one looked very realistic. The second one looks as well except the breasts are pretty big which doesn't match Suzie. But wow what other programs are there like this? Is it possible for these programs to do an undressing and nude but if so, obviously it isn't going to match how Suzie Diamond looks right?

[paulyshoresituation]

I meant the ai program being used from the person who created that Lucy Lee gif was shown on the top right so I used that program.


I think it took a bit over a minute or two until the gif showed up for Suzie Diamond.

[Jaxkbnm]

Jacquieetmicheltv created AI porn, so I blacklisted it. Selling ugly women with beautiful faces is a scam. AI doesn't make sense. We want real people; AI doesn't exist.

lp brought]Jacquieetmicheltv

[jerrybb]

There is definitely money in it but not for me I need to feel close to a real model.

That's why I loved when Giorgio directed, he gave you that feeling of getting to know the model in so many scenes.

[isis666xxx]

So there have been a lot of deep fakes with porn on sites that look very realistic. Some very good ones I noticed a while back are the premiumbukkake ones where they would put female celebrities in it and it looks real as well. For Megan Fox, I believe the video used Vicky Love and well their body look a bit similar to it makes it more realistic. Some videos would use Rebecca Volpetti as the actress and put Natalie Portman and Sarah Michelle Gellar and it looks realistic. It looks real since those 2 celebrities are skinny. I have noticed other celebrities like Gal Gadot, Oliva Wilde and Angelia Jolie and it looks real. Now even if you saw the premiumbukkake videos of those porn girls, well it's obviously fake but it looks real still.


I then notice on social media when someone post a picture, someone can easily use AI and turn that picture into another picture of a gif and I was shocked. For example, I notice one picture of a female office arresting someone and in jail and that female office is attractive. The gif looked real and it showed her showing her behind like in a very short video. Is this very easy to do? It seems to be as lot of accounts seem to do this so it doesn't seem that hard. So they just type in the AI program, have the girl do a striptease showing her behind?


I know there are a lot of those undressing apps. The thing is these gifs I notice on social media look extremely real. The thing is these don't take much time at all and anyone can do it? The thing is you can't have that program generate nude or porn or you can? Since I don't think I notice any pic or gif on social media that does that. But that program could be used on a regular computer to do it? What about a Chromebook or it needs windows or Mac?


The fake porn videos on those deep fake sites, I know those are created by users. The thing is do those still take hours? I recall it was mentioned those could take a while. People would pay others for a video like that of their favorite celebrity and all that. Those videos can't have AI do everything right?


Now what about those gifs though? Could you put any female face over a person and make it look realistic with ease that anyone can do it? Could you just have a picture of a celebrity like from a photoshoot and the AI would have them like dance or something like that? It seems like you could and that seems amazing. I notice there are things like AI with voices where you could have some celebrity or popular person and they would say things for a minute or so and it sounds like their voice as well. How hard is that to do? You obviously need a sample voice of that person to do this but how much seconds would you need?

too long didnt read

i personally have seen girls faking their beauty in porn with AI

i want to create a thread about it, i didnt created a thread about it yet cuz im lazy and slow

look at this dude having a pretty girl face through AI hahah

[isis666xxx]

btw a things that makes people uglier is mouth breathing while growing up

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20129889/

you condemn girls that use AI but at the same time we live in a stupid world that makes people unnaturally uglier

society is full of bullshit and weakness, just look at how people use shoes with narrow toe boxes that deform their big toe

a very big percentage of the population have mouth breathing in more or less degree

according to 2 dentists i studied with, most cases of mouth breathing are caused by milk
i think is logical because milk is an unnatural weird food