This Site is dead

[marcimilan]

What a Shame.
Theres no more good studio left.

Daily New videos are shite

[hb2002]

What a Shame.
Theres no more good studio left.

Daily New videos are shite

I would copy that, except the very few releases from Andrew studio (AH...). Those are coming close to the quality level of previous studios but the rest? You can forget those. Totally unattractive in terms of quality and also in terms of girls. This ongoing "flood" of latinas IMHO makes the site less attractive as it used to be. I'm not a racist at all, don't get me wrong. It is simply attractiveness of girls compared to the ones the studios had in the past.

[dap-addict]

I'm not a racist at all, don't get me wrong. It is simply attractiveness of girls compared to the ones the studios had in the past.

Attractiveness of girls is in the eyes of the beholder and as much as talent pool changes also users have to adapt. Fact is however that without at least 1 seriously big Russia based studio like SOS was and set a high Eurobabe expectation bar Pornbox is crippled.

I wouldnt say Site is dead, though. But users have to adapt to Latina girls if they want to buy as much porn scenes as they did before.

[Oscar Batty]

I wouldnt say Site is dead, though. But users have to adapt to Latina girls if they want to buy as much porn scenes as they did before.

The majority of this site top studios are not in SA, so why people complain about the latina girls? Isn't it the same fans who were asking the EU studios to bring the SA girls? I think people still do it here.

Colombian girls cost almost the same price as EU girls so this is actually not only a financial thing.

Turn all the top studios into latina studios won't be a good thing. I think users should actually be exigent to the studios based in Europe or North-America if they really want to see European girls ( people should not apologize for having specific preference when coming to the other sex). The most important is to support the type of girl that you like by buying their scenes.

By the way, there are so many European girls in Brazil, I took a business decision to work with darker ones to make a little difference.

[Kslvt]

You have to measure these words, the site is FAR from being dead ... on the contrary!!!
Even if we're no longer in the LP prime, we're at least out of its bad phase I think, with at least one to three major studio releases a day, with at least one DAP ...

You have to realize how lucky we are, and compare it to the pro porn world in general ... the rate of releases is excellent.

As for the type of girls, I don't really understand ... VK and GIO still run mostly white girls, whom I personally don't like very much, and if Latinas are taking over, it's simply because they're the prettiest and sell the most ...

But as Oscar says, everyone has their own tastes and we all have to put up with what we like.
But to say that LP is dead, no, absolutely not, on the contrary, I think we're heading for a second golden age, at least I hope so.

[jerrybb]

The site is not dead, its just not as good as it was. It will evolve and if there is there a site better please let me know.

[Kslvt]

The site is not dead, its just not as good as it was. It will evolve and if there is there a site better please let me know.

+1 ... nothing to add !!!

[dap-addict]

By the way, there are so many European girls in Brazil, I took a business decision to work with darker ones to make a little difference.

Thank you a lot for that, Oscar!
I always had a lack of exotic girls on my porn menu.
Since you moved to Brasil I dont feel this void anymore.

Now about finances: Europorn has to solve that financial issue partly caused by skyrocketing fees in Prague and Budapest since pandemia by either more imports from Russia/Ukraine/Belarus and Moldova or simply more items sold. Users preferring European girls have to support them better, buy more! Studios have to pay girls a fair price for their work, but stop overpaying to cut out competition!
DAP rate has to come down by 50% and they are moving in a good direction.
Lower costs will boast production again, it's currently in the making and fellowing recent developments I'm staying optimist.

Sure GIO/Gonzo/SOS times dont come back soon, but they were too much white girl biased anyway.

[DD_hh_sgp]

But we do get some things we´ve always needed:
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/670929

Like having a guy sticking his balls into a girls ass. So let´s have a DBA=double balls in ass

[RawMeat]

I've said it so many times but:
1. DPDiva
2. HardX
3. WoodmanCasting
4. Kink
shoot more brutal solo gangbangs than fake softcore Analpee play

[DD_hh_sgp]

I've said it so many times but:
1. DPDiva
2. HardX
3. WoodmanCasting
4. Kink
shoot more brutal solo gangbangs than fake softcore Analpee play

didn´t check these sites a long time. example links and recommendations?

[maxymax]

The site is not dead, its just not as good as it was. It will evolve and if there is there a site better please let me know.

+1 ... nothing to add !!!

+1

[Kslvt]

I've said it so many times but:
1. DPDiva
2. HardX
3. WoodmanCasting
4. Kink
shoot more brutal solo gangbangs than fake softcore Analpee play

No, you're joking, man...

DPDIVA: Offers DAP once every six months, casual as can be... except for a few exceptional actresses, their scenes aren't worth much.
HardX: Huh? This site still exists? They release a scene every three months, and DAP? Well, almost never, actually. I remember a DAP from Lilly Hall, and maybe two or three more, but that's it, plus it's casual and boring as hell even when they do it.
WoodmanCastingX: We're talking about professional porn... not amateur sex with condoms, with uninteresting camera angles and zero intensity... and in terms of DAP, it's extremely rare and mediocre.
Kink: You definitely like sites that are almost dead... Kink, in its heyday ten years ago, offered some cool stuff, their gangbangs in particular, but for over four years the site has been in its death throes, they no longer release anything, and even LESS DAP, which was also very rare anyway...

Anyway, LP is years ahead of the competition.
The only ones that remain interesting in terms of hardcore are EvilAngel, notably Darkko,But it's still over-the-top American porn and ultimately boring...
FA/GG/LA are pure hardcore porn but they have all drastically reduced their release rates and the quality of girls ...

[Anselm_Weinberg]

I've said it so many times but:
1. DPDiva
2. HardX
3. WoodmanCasting
4. Kink
shoot more brutal solo gangbangs than fake softcore Analpee play

Lol, with all valid points in ways of criticism one can make of LP studios, at least they tend to act in a professional, meaning "fake" manner as opposed to that scumbag Woodman and his abusive behaviour which is undoubtedly "real" in the cruelest sense of the meaning of the term. It's just about effectively presenting a fantasy and if a particular site or the way they provide this illusion doesn't cater to you, you can just stop using it rather than trying to mold it to your wishes which are obviously not representative of the majority opinion of the customers.

[dap-addict]

(...)
3. WoodmanCasting
(...)

All clear!
I dont say the lier APE was always abusive, but posting PR for such a studio says it just all.

[hyapet]

DPDIVA: Offers DAP once every six months, casual as can be... except for a few exceptional actresses, their scenes aren't worth much.

Yeah, but those "exceptional actresses" have absolutely 11/10 mind-blowing nut-busting-to-the-ceiling scenes of pure gold.

The three that come to the top of my mind are:

Lily Starfire DVP (Holy FUCK what a scene!)
Jewelz Blu DVP (Insanely hot)
Ophelia Kaan DVP (Just so good!)

There's no reason why a studio that's still incredibly young should be outproducing and having greater vision/actresses/just everything than studios here that have been in the business for decades.

You know what AV/PB does? It puts up Jewelz Blu's OF productions on the site.

You know what DPDiva does? It gets Jewelz Blu to star in their productions.

What did I say for the longest time, "Man - Jewelz Blu would be the ultimate catch to really bring some life back into the increasingly old and decrepit state of affairs that is Europorn AV/PB ..."

Now she's doing the exact kind of acts she would have been performing here years ago on the competitions site. Well ... that's that I guess.

So, yeah - everything else you said about the other studios was, yeah, pretty on point. But DPDiva ... there's life there ... there's energy there.

Is every scene a 10/10? Every actress? Of course not.

But they've got a series of super impressive ladder rung breaks for actresses that would have never needed to break those rungs. Like the three scenes I pointed out. So ...

It's not like DPDiva is going to come and eat AV/PBs lunch per say, but ...

The fact that they can put out what they are and putting that in comparison to what's been going on here ...

What you state about them isn't entirely fair or accurate.

[Kslvt]

DPDIVA: Offers DAP once every six months, casual as can be... except for a few exceptional actresses, their scenes aren't worth much.

Yeah, but those "exceptional actresses" have absolutely 11/10 mind-blowing nut-busting-to-the-ceiling scenes of pure gold.

The three that come to the top of my mind are:

Lily Starfire DVP (Holy FUCK what a scene!)
Jewelz Blu DVP (Insanely hot)
Ophelia Kaan DVP (Just so good!)

There's no reason why a studio that's still incredibly young should be outproducing and having greater vision/actresses/just everything than studios here that have been in the business for decades.

You know what AV/PB does? It puts up Jewelz Blu's OF productions on the site.

You know what DPDiva does? It gets Jewelz Blu to star in their productions.

What did I say for the longest time, "Man - Jewelz Blu would be the ultimate catch to really bring some life back into the increasingly old and decrepit state of affairs that is Europorn AV/PB ..."

Now she's doing the exact kind of acts she would have been performing here years ago on the competitions site. Well ... that's that I guess.

So, yeah - everything else you said about the other studios was, yeah, pretty on point. But DPDiva ... there's life there ... there's energy there.

Is every scene a 10/10? Every actress? Of course not.

But they've got a series of super impressive ladder rung breaks for actresses that would have never needed to break those rungs. Like the three scenes I pointed out. So ...

It's not like DPDiva is going to come and eat AV/PBs lunch per say, but ...

The fact that they can put out what they are and putting that in comparison to what's been going on here ...

What you state about them isn't entirely fair or accurate.

Regarding DPDIVA, my goal isn't to undermine them; it was just to respond to the friend above who cited it as a superior site to LP....
Among the scenes you mentioned, personally none of them interested me, the DVP can be nice but well...
what interests me more about them is their potential as US actresses and the possibility of having them shoot in DAP... but they VERY rarely succeed...

Now, to answer you more specifically:

- DPDIVA isn't a new production, it's simply an extension of PERVCITY, which is a major porn company with years of experience, contacts, and more... So LP is the real rookie between the two...

- The example you give with Jewelz Blu isn't really relevant given that she's a European looking to gain visibility, and for that... well, nothing beats the traditional US sites, and DPDIVA, by PERVCITY, is one of them... so it's natural for her to go there rather than LP (if LP ever offered her anything...).

- LP is a HARDCORE site; the girls who come to work here know that. If they're not going to do vaginal or DP for 10 years, we'll ask them for it more quickly, which, for most actresses, is impossible. The whores will go first where they will gain the most exposure and for that... well, the historical US sites have an almost uncatchable lead, at least for the moment, but it have nothing to do with who's the best, otherwise, brazzers would be the best pornsite of the world ... but LP still manages to find girls who are slutty enough to do it, and that... well, it's just exceptional ...

- To counterbalance your example with Jewelz, I could give you the example of the US stars who come here to get fucked, and in that sense, it's 100x more difficult... firstly, because LP is MUCH less renowned than US sites, and that's also an achievement because here, they're made to do hardcore...

Generally speaking, US porn, with a few rare exceptions, is extremely casual and boring. So yes, it appeals to the masses, and they're the historical market leaders, but compared to OF, etc., they're getting eaten up and will soon all close down because you can find casual porn absolutely everywhere now... LP has this particularity of offering fans of Top-quality hardcore that they won't find anywhere else, even on OF... which is why, in my opinion, they fare MUCH better than all the other sites that can't sufficiently differentiate themselves from all the classic, consensual crap that all these bitches produce via their shitty platform.

We really have to realize how lucky we are to have LP

[RawMeat]

I've said it so many times but:
1. DPDiva
2. HardX
3. WoodmanCasting
4. Kink
shoot more brutal solo gangbangs than fake softcore Analpee play

No, you're joking, man...

DPDIVA: Offers DAP once every six months, casual as can be... except for a few exceptional actresses, their scenes aren't worth much.
HardX: Huh? This site still exists? They release a scene every three months, and DAP? Well, almost never, actually. I remember a DAP from Lilly Hall, and maybe two or three more, but that's it, plus it's casual and boring as hell even when they do it.
WoodmanCastingX: We're talking about professional porn... not amateur sex with condoms, with uninteresting camera angles and zero intensity... and in terms of DAP, it's extremely rare and mediocre.
Kink: You definitely like sites that are almost dead... Kink, in its heyday ten years ago, offered some cool stuff, their gangbangs in particular, but for over four years the site has been in its death throes, they no longer release anything, and even LESS DAP, which was also very rare anyway...

Anyway, LP is years ahead of the competition.
The only ones that remain interesting in terms of hardcore are EvilAngel, notably Darkko,But it's still over-the-top American porn and ultimately boring...
FA/GG/LA are pure hardcore porn but they have all drastically reduced their release rates and the quality of girls ...

Who the fuck cares about tip-fucking, anchoring, slow-motion DAPs except GIO's retarded ass-lickers. I wouldn't watch his gaylord videos even for free: watching dudes pissing feels like pulling teeth... now it's full of latinas and only-Blacks... Da fuck I'd rather watch what used to be the worst porn in the industry: Dorcel plastic condom fk or Blacks on Blondes rather than Anal tip fucks with extra gaping male assholes

[jartimus256880]

I think the girls from the sineplex classic and cz era were so much hotter, and there a much bigger beautiful talent pool.
What i see now seems to be a smaller talent pool of less beautiful, but more extreme, and more over worked girls.

[kmurat]

agreed... quality no longer exists...

compared to the earlier stuff, its worth nothing to watch...

abolutely at its worst...

[hyapet]

Regarding DPDIVA, my goal isn't to undermine them; it was just to respond to the friend above who cited it as a superior site to LP....
Among the scenes you mentioned, personally none of them interested me, the DVP can be nice but well...
what interests me more about them is their potential as US actresses and the possibility of having them shoot in DAP... but they VERY rarely succeed...

Now, to answer you more specifically:

- DPDIVA isn't a new production, it's simply an extension of PERVCITY, which is a major porn company with years of experience, contacts, and more... So LP is the real rookie between the two...

- The example you give with Jewelz Blu isn't really relevant given that she's a European looking to gain visibility, and for that... well, nothing beats the traditional US sites, and DPDIVA, by PERVCITY, is one of them... so it's natural for her to go there rather than LP (if LP ever offered her anything...).

- LP is a HARDCORE site; the girls who come to work here know that. If they're not going to do vaginal or DP for 10 years, we'll ask them for it more quickly, which, for most actresses, is impossible. The whores will go first where they will gain the most exposure and for that... well, the historical US sites have an almost uncatchable lead, at least for the moment, but it have nothing to do with who's the best, otherwise, brazzers would be the best pornsite of the world ... but LP still manages to find girls who are slutty enough to do it, and that... well, it's just exceptional ...

- To counterbalance your example with Jewelz, I could give you the example of the US stars who come here to get fucked, and in that sense, it's 100x more difficult... firstly, because LP is MUCH less renowned than US sites, and that's also an achievement because here, they're made to do hardcore...

Generally speaking, US porn, with a few rare exceptions, is extremely casual and boring. So yes, it appeals to the masses, and they're the historical market leaders, but compared to OF, etc., they're getting eaten up and will soon all close down because you can find casual porn absolutely everywhere now... LP has this particularity of offering fans of Top-quality hardcore that they won't find anywhere else, even on OF... which is why, in my opinion, they fare MUCH better than all the other sites that can't sufficiently differentiate themselves from all the classic, consensual crap that all these bitches produce via their shitty platform.

We really have to realize how lucky we are to have LP

An interesting thing is happening with many OF productions.

They're starting to become "more professional." Where the girl's realize that in order to differentiate themselves in the market - getting out of a messy poorly lit bedroom with a web-cam and nothing else - is essential to differentiating themselves in a market where there's just so much of ... that.

It's also really interesting to see that the OF girls who venture over to classical porn - find great success - both on their own platform - and on the site they shoot a scene for. It begs the question ...

Why don't more of them do it?

And the answer is - LP!

Because - in the greater market of porn - the consumer for the most part doesn't understand the intricoes of the scenes they watch. They don't know who the director actually is - they don't know which greater corporate conglomeration that one particular site belongs to - they don't understand the networks involved or the business relationship side of things. And that's literally 99.999999% of people.

All they do know is that the girl's who shoot traditional porn typically go from starting out with vaginal, to experimenting with anal, and then end up at DP-ville eventually, with some even going beyond that. The problem is ...

The beyond that portion of the market is owned by LP, essentially, what you labelled as such a good thing. But!

Because LP owns that space - it means that things like DAP and DVP are seen to be going hand in hand with pissing, and puking, and just a whole bunch of gross degrading shit where the objective seems to be overwhelming to devalue the humanity of the actress herself.

And that's a problem for the OF girls - because their body isn't something just to make money by doing whatever it takes (ala the traditional porn market) - but rather, their body is their brand. And they have to guard their ladder breaks like they're the most precious thing around. Because, once you're seen with a dildo ... everyone's going to expect a dildo in every scene going forward. It becomes the new bare minimum.

So - essentially - the taint that LP and AV/PB based studios give the performers who perform in them - is the exact reason why almost all OF girls avoid all traditional porn studios. Because the minute you start messing around there - you don't even have to wait for the actual scene to come out (if one ever would) - everyone just assumes you're some kind of piss chugger, and your value as an actress - their commodity of their body - becomes worth a lot less. Hard to get excited for someone that's teasing undoing their bra strap when you fully expect them to start lube-ing up for anal and getting a jug ready for their favorite yellow power drink.

Girls are a lot more in tune with "social circles" - and the "piss drinkers and male asshole lickers" is not one they want associated with themselves by any degree.

So - for sure - in a fashion I guess we're lucky to have LP. But, in another ...

It is largely responsible for the fragmentation we see within the market itself - and why the scores of unbelievably hot 11/10 girls on OF - would never, ever, even for the briefest of moments - consider to come shooting some traditional porn.

Even if it would absolutely increase their exposure and introduce them to a megalithic sized audience.

[AJ_Fresh_BBC]

I wouldnt say Site is dead, though. But users have to adapt to Latina girls if they want to buy as much porn scenes as they did before.

The majority of this site top studios are not in SA, so why people complain about the latina girls? Isn't it the same fans who were asking the EU studios to bring the SA girls? I think people still do it here.

Colombian girls cost almost the same price as EU girls so this is actually not only a financial thing.

Turn all the top studios into latina studios won't be a good thing. I think users should actually be exigent to the studios based in Europe or North-America if they really want to see European girls ( people should not apologize for having specific preference when coming to the other sex). The most important is to support the type of girl that you like by buying their scenes.

By the way, there are so many European girls in Brazil, I took a business decision to work with darker ones to make a little difference.

Message me when you can, I've been trying to contact you

[Kslvt]

Regarding DPDIVA, my goal isn't to undermine them; it was just to respond to the friend above who cited it as a superior site to LP....
Among the scenes you mentioned, personally none of them interested me, the DVP can be nice but well...
what interests me more about them is their potential as US actresses and the possibility of having them shoot in DAP... but they VERY rarely succeed...

Now, to answer you more specifically:

- DPDIVA isn't a new production, it's simply an extension of PERVCITY, which is a major porn company with years of experience, contacts, and more... So LP is the real rookie between the two...

- The example you give with Jewelz Blu isn't really relevant given that she's a European looking to gain visibility, and for that... well, nothing beats the traditional US sites, and DPDIVA, by PERVCITY, is one of them... so it's natural for her to go there rather than LP (if LP ever offered her anything...).

- LP is a HARDCORE site; the girls who come to work here know that. If they're not going to do vaginal or DP for 10 years, we'll ask them for it more quickly, which, for most actresses, is impossible. The whores will go first where they will gain the most exposure and for that... well, the historical US sites have an almost uncatchable lead, at least for the moment, but it have nothing to do with who's the best, otherwise, brazzers would be the best pornsite of the world ... but LP still manages to find girls who are slutty enough to do it, and that... well, it's just exceptional ...

- To counterbalance your example with Jewelz, I could give you the example of the US stars who come here to get fucked, and in that sense, it's 100x more difficult... firstly, because LP is MUCH less renowned than US sites, and that's also an achievement because here, they're made to do hardcore...

Generally speaking, US porn, with a few rare exceptions, is extremely casual and boring. So yes, it appeals to the masses, and they're the historical market leaders, but compared to OF, etc., they're getting eaten up and will soon all close down because you can find casual porn absolutely everywhere now... LP has this particularity of offering fans of Top-quality hardcore that they won't find anywhere else, even on OF... which is why, in my opinion, they fare MUCH better than all the other sites that can't sufficiently differentiate themselves from all the classic, consensual crap that all these bitches produce via their shitty platform.

We really have to realize how lucky we are to have LP

An interesting thing is happening with many OF productions.

They're starting to become "more professional." Where the girl's realize that in order to differentiate themselves in the market - getting out of a messy poorly lit bedroom with a web-cam and nothing else - is essential to differentiating themselves in a market where there's just so much of ... that.

It's also really interesting to see that the OF girls who venture over to classical porn - find great success - both on their own platform - and on the site they shoot a scene for. It begs the question ...

Why don't more of them do it?

And the answer is - LP!

Because - in the greater market of porn - the consumer for the most part doesn't understand the intricoes of the scenes they watch. They don't know who the director actually is - they don't know which greater corporate conglomeration that one particular site belongs to - they don't understand the networks involved or the business relationship side of things. And that's literally 99.999999% of people.

All they do know is that the girl's who shoot traditional porn typically go from starting out with vaginal, to experimenting with anal, and then end up at DP-ville eventually, with some even going beyond that. The problem is ...

The beyond that portion of the market is owned by LP, essentially, what you labelled as such a good thing. But!

Because LP owns that space - it means that things like DAP and DVP are seen to be going hand in hand with pissing, and puking, and just a whole bunch of gross degrading shit where the objective seems to be overwhelming to devalue the humanity of the actress herself.

And that's a problem for the OF girls - because their body isn't something just to make money by doing whatever it takes (ala the traditional porn market) - but rather, their body is their brand. And they have to guard their ladder breaks like they're the most precious thing around. Because, once you're seen with a dildo ... everyone's going to expect a dildo in every scene going forward. It becomes the new bare minimum.

So - essentially - the taint that LP and AV/PB based studios give the performers who perform in them - is the exact reason why almost all OF girls avoid all traditional porn studios. Because the minute you start messing around there - you don't even have to wait for the actual scene to come out (if one ever would) - everyone just assumes you're some kind of piss chugger, and your value as an actress - their commodity of their body - becomes worth a lot less. Hard to get excited for someone that's teasing undoing their bra strap when you fully expect them to start lube-ing up for anal and getting a jug ready for their favorite yellow power drink.

Girls are a lot more in tune with "social circles" - and the "piss drinkers and male asshole lickers" is not one they want associated with themselves by any degree.

So - for sure - in a fashion I guess we're lucky to have LP. But, in another ...

It is largely responsible for the fragmentation we see within the market itself - and why the scores of unbelievably hot 11/10 girls on OF - would never, ever, even for the briefest of moments - consider to come shooting some traditional porn.

Even if it would absolutely increase their exposure and introduce them to a megalithic sized audience.

I totally agree with you... BUT you seem to analyze this, in fine, a little negatively when :

It's precisely this fragmentation that has enabled LP to stand out from the rest of the competition and survive with a much higher production rate than the competition, which is dying day after day ...

To put it differently:

Your analysis is made under the prism of actresses but if we analyze it from the point of view of the consumer, at least the hardcore consumer, it's excellent news (given the context, not objectively)!


In a nutshell: this has enabled LP to literally suck up all the remaining hardcore consumers, since even the historic hardcore sites are no longer worth much in terms of either quality or quantity.
The divide in the porn world between vanilla and hardcore is widening every day ... at this rate, and if LP manage it well, they'll soon be almost the only ones (apart from 2-3 American majors) able to guarantee girls sufficient and interesting exposure if they ever wanted to do hardcore ... or even just make a name for themselves and string together a dozen scenes relatively easily.

Because despite everything, these OF girls still, as a whole, need porn to make a name for themselves and a repertoire of suckers, so they're still forced to expose themselves, and if all the main vanilla sites close, with three or four exceptions, LP will inevitably pull its weight in recruitment.

So, okay, for the most famous among them, it's dead (but honestly, who gives a damn about a bitch who charges 15 bucks to show her tits? Even if she's hot?)
For the lesser-known ones, on the other hand (who make up 80% of the girls), they have and will always need exposure to make themselves known... and LP is and will be there to welcome them and help them :-)

I hope you can understand me despite my difficult English and syntax.

[Dominuss]

Lack of new eastern teens due to wars + onlyf*ns killed it. Quite simple.

[M_sicas_Candido]

Because LP owns that space - it means that things like DAP and DVP are seen to be going hand in hand with pissing, and puking, and just a whole bunch of gross degrading shit where the objective seems to be overwhelming to devalue the humanity of the actress herself.

Well, I can say that I have never seen bathing (not drinking) in piss and vomit as degradation or humiliation, but as a particular fetish of some - which is not something to try to understand - you just accept it or not to do it and watch it, just like any other.

You have a distorted view of LP through which you see oppression in the way they operate. Well, I don't know if you know but piss and vomit don't only exist in AV/PB. In fact, if you research materials from certain independent content producers (including in OF) you will find things that will make piss and vomit seem like a joke.

The only thing LP did was professionalize the production of this type of content, and with that meet a demand that already has been existed.

And that's a problem for the OF girls - because their body isn't something just to make money by doing whatever it takes (ala the traditional porn market) - but rather, their body is their brand. And they have to guard their ladder breaks like they're the most precious thing around. Because, once you're seen with a dildo ... everyone's going to expect a dildo in every scene going forward. It becomes the new bare minimum.

So - essentially - the taint that LP and AV/PB based studios give the performers who perform in them - is the exact reason why almost all OF girls avoid all traditional porn studios.

Excuse me, you have a very romantic view of actresses. In any profession you have to be willing to step outside your comfort zone to progress. A high-performance physical athlete like a bodybuilder pushes their body to exhaustion many times to deliver the best they know they can (and no one considers that degrading or humiliating). Why shouldn't an experienced porn actress who also works with her body, albeit in a fetishistic way, have her limits tested as well? I'm not talking about newbies (to do so would be cowardly), I'm talking about girls who have already decided that they want to have a solid position in the industry.

[hyapet]

I totally agree with you... BUT you seem to analyze this, in fine, a little negatively when :

It's precisely this fragmentation that has enabled LP to stand out from the rest of the competition and survive with a much higher production rate than the competition, which is dying day after day ...

To put it differently:

Your analysis is made under the prism of actresses but if we analyze it from the point of view of the consumer, at least the hardcore consumer, it's excellent news (given the context, not objectively)!


In a nutshell: this has enabled LP to literally suck up all the remaining hardcore consumers, since even the historic hardcore sites are no longer worth much in terms of either quality or quantity.
The divide in the porn world between vanilla and hardcore is widening every day ... at this rate, and if LP manage it well, they'll soon be almost the only ones (apart from 2-3 American majors) able to guarantee girls sufficient and interesting exposure if they ever wanted to do hardcore ... or even just make a name for themselves and string together a dozen scenes relatively easily.

Because despite everything, these OF girls still, as a whole, need porn to make a name for themselves and a repertoire of suckers, so they're still forced to expose themselves, and if all the main vanilla sites close, with three or four exceptions, LP will inevitably pull its weight in recruitment.

So, okay, for the most famous among them, it's dead (but honestly, who gives a damn about a bitch who charges 15 bucks to show her tits? Even if she's hot?)
For the lesser-known ones, on the other hand (who make up 80% of the girls), they have and will always need exposure to make themselves known... and LP is and will be there to welcome them and help them :-)

I hope you can understand me despite my difficult English and syntax.

The traditional days of porn are dead.

What OF did was allow a spot for the 11/10's and 10/10's and 9/10's to go and make a bazillion dollars. Simply put. It took the absolute best of the best and said to the traditional porn market, "Nuh uh - not for you anymore."

You can believe there are people who really want to watch a girl take double anal. For sure. There are - and always will be. But, and this is tremendously important, there is significant market overlap.

Meaning, somebody might be a big fan of double anal porn, but ... they come across a girl who is just too outrageously hot on OF - like, she appeals 100% to that person. He joins her OF - and then ... starts ordering custom vids from her. What do those hundreds of dollars represent?

Lost AV/PB ticket sales.

That's exactly why the South American studios are pulling the site right now. They are the 11/10 and 10/10's actually shooting traditional double anal porn. Beauty trumps all at the end of the day.

If it wasn't for South America - believe me - this entire site would be shut down right now as well. Because without the South American girls bringing in the folks purchasing tickets - those ticket bunches don't get put towards other scenes that wouldn't have been enough to encourage the person to buy the tickets they have in the first place.

Beauty rules everything.

So ...

When you have a genre of porn that actively degrades the worth of the actress partaking in it (re: piss), AND a site where the top beauties can go to essentially make hundreds of thousands of dollars hand over fist for doing next to nothing, you're essentially getting pulled apart from both ends.

And the middle you're left with is a bunch of 7's that are willing to chug piss and get devalued and degraded because, if they don't have the mental health issues all lined up for it already, they recognize that there is no other space for them in this line of work. Traditional vanilla porn wouldn't want them, OF would shut them out entirely, and so ... AV/PB is all that's left.

That being the case - that's what AV/PB studios then become known for. And if people are really hunting down the 11/10's and 10/10's with their wallets - LP will become this greasy spot on the Internet where people go bathroom on each other and lots of videos of guys masturbating in front of low quality camera and people posting videos that were released 16 years ago on the top of the page - no thanks.

And it's exactly piss that made this a bridge too far. Which can be delved into further with this following quote:

Excuse me, you have a very romantic view of actresses. In any profession you have to be willing to step outside your comfort zone to progress. A high-performance physical athlete like a bodybuilder pushes their body to exhaustion many times to deliver the best they know they can (and no one considers that degrading or humiliating). Why shouldn't an experienced porn actress who also works with her body, albeit in a fetishistic way, have her limits tested as well? I'm not talking about newbies (to do so would be cowardly), I'm talking about girls who have already decided that they want to have a solid position in the industry.

The analogy doesn't work - body-builders don't shame themselves by performing their sets. Their inherent worth as a body-builder doesn't go down the more competitions they partake in. If they do it properly, their worth goes up.

Whereas - with porn - it's all about descent. At the beginning of the career - the girl is showing a boobie - and at the end of the career - the girl is puking her guts out into another girl who's pissing down her throat white two dudes shove their feet up her ass at the same time. That girl doesn't have worth anymore, in market terms.

The reason being - that with every rung ladder that gets broken in porn - that becomes the new baseline of what's expected. Once a girl does BBC DAP - then really ... that's the bare minimum people would expect from her going forward at that point. Would you purchase a scene with a girl that's 1 on 1 vaginal sex only when she's done BBC DAP before? I know I wouldn't. I would put my money towards the BBC DAP - obviously.

So - it's this degradation in terms of value - and the more shameful positions a girl needs to put herself in - that is the absolute anthema of any girl who's working in the industry. Because, like anybody in any industry, you want your value to remain as high as possible for as long as possible.

And now - that the girl's have their own platform - they can retain their value for much longer - and not be pressured into doing things that would otherwise devalue their long-term brand - simply because the producer has the ability to deny the girl access to an actual audience.

Therefore - while girls - all girls - will still use traditional porn studios - it will be on their own terms.

And seeing that they actually have value and control over where they shoot and what they do - much more than they ever did in the past - they will not want to devalue their own brand - which, if they're shooting porn, will only last so long, and so needs to be made the most advantage of as possible.

So chugging piss? That's out. For the 11's - the 10's - the 9's - and the 8's - that's like career suicide.

"Want to watch me slowly take off my top?" And it's like - no. I'll just go watch the video of you bathing in urine.

Getting penetrated? Having sex? The imagination can temporarily establish a "this is just an innocent school girl" or "wow, she must really want that passing grade," storyline, because the value of fucking is inherently natural.

The act of glugging piss isn't.

So, the minute you see a piss drinker dressing up as a school-girl and pretending to be innocent, it breaks the 4th wall, and it's like, "Yeah right! Where's the jug, bitch?"

Girls know this. That's why most of the truly beautiful girl's steer away from AV/PB. Except for in South America, where the situation is so dire, they consider it to still be a worthwhile trade off.

Once that changes - if that changes - AV/PB is finished.

Because money? It follows beauty. And even those that have a specific kink they really like - will usually have an overlap with less-severe or degrading types of porn - provided the beauty is there.

And with platforms like OF - it absolutely is.

So ...

Piss really hurt the brand more than people can properly fathom.

[M_sicas_Candido]

[quote=“hyapet”]And now - that the girl's have their own platform - they can retain their value for much longer - and not be pressured into doing things that would otherwise devalue their long-term brand.[/quote]


So, let me get this straight: the less a girl gives to the public (sexually speaking), the higher her market value? I apologize, but that doesn't seem realistic or even logical; the math doesn't add up. If that were true, pornography would be limited to naked girls - without any sexual or fetishistic acts.

The real world is competitive, where the difference is what determines your success. In the case of the girl who only shows her breasts in : how long will it take for users to demand more and more? Two options: either the girl ignores her fans and loses them in the future, or she meets demands for which she must be prepared because they will be increasingly demanding? The real world works like this.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

[quote=“hyapet”]And now - that the girl's have their own platform - they can retain their value for much longer - and not be pressured into doing things that would otherwise devalue their long-term brand.

So, let me get this straight: the less a girl gives to the public (sexually speaking), the higher her market value? I apologize, but that doesn't seem realistic or even logical; the math doesn't add up. If that were true, pornography would be limited to naked girls - without any sexual or fetishistic acts.

The real world is competitive, where the difference is what determines your success. In the case of the girl who only shows her breasts in : how long will it take for users to demand more and more? Two options: either the girl ignores her fans and loses them in the future, or she meets demands for which she must be prepared because they will be increasingly demanding? The real world works like this.[/quote]

The real world is indeed very competitive, we recently did several rounds of interviewing for some entry level jobs for a company, the people who we are getting are Oxbridge/Ivy League-esque applicants, they have a great image, and have promised to do the world and more if they were to receive a job offer. I reiterate that this is for an entry-level job for new or fairly recent graduates.

I also think that people are more likely to hold on to their cash/savings in this uncertain economic time.

So, to think that a super attractive, porn girl doing the bare minimum, and barely showing any skin would massively increase her market value is quite laughable...

[hyapet]

So, let me get this straight: the less a girl gives to the public (sexually speaking), the higher her market value? I apologize, but that doesn't seem realistic or even logical; the math doesn't add up. If that were true, pornography would be limited to naked girls - without any sexual or fetishistic acts.

The real world is competitive, where the difference is what determines your success. In the case of the girl who only shows her breasts in : how long will it take for users to demand more and more? Two options: either the girl ignores her fans and loses them in the future, or she meets demands for which she must be prepared because they will be increasingly demanding? The real world works like this.

Listen - I'm going to break this down real simple for you guys. You know what backs me up? Market statistics. Earnings. It's really easy - so this doesn't need to be an essay.

Beauty. Beauty trumps all in this field.

If you honestly think the value of an actress in this field is determined by how much she's willing to do - you're living in a time bubble preserved all the way from the mid 2010's. OF changed everything.

When girls became their own distributors of the product - they essentially took the power away from the directors of traditional porn. The porno market - as in all markets - replies and relates to power. And once the directors lost power - they began losing their product - and with that - their audience.

Like - let's give the folks like Giorgio Grandi - who headed the main studio of this entire site - some credit. When he says that OF came and stole his lunch - what do you think he means by that? Do you think he means that:

A) OF flicked a magical switch whereby all girls across Europe and North America decided, "No! I'm not shooting hardcore porn anymore!" Or ...

B) OF attracted all of the most beautiful girls to the platform.

I think it's safe to say - without a fucking doubt - it's fucking B.

So - if people are therefore willing to pay more money to a beautiful girl who in turn does less than a non-beautiful girl - then the traditional power dynamic in the porn industry of "what you're willing to do on camera will determine your level of success" was finished and gone.

You know what I see when I go to the most beautiful and successful OF girl's live shows?

I see a girl sitting there with her bra fully on - her gorgeous perfectly shaped breasts fully clamped in on - her make-up and costume exquisitely done - still wearing her pants - and the chat going fucking wild. Not with comments - but with payment to make it to the next stretch goal. If she gets another $1,000 from everybody - she'll go and change into a thinner bra (re: still fully clothed).

And the hundreds of guys who are in there? They're throwing a couple dollars a pop easy to meet that stretch goal. And a few dollars more for the next one. And the one after that. And at the end of it all? She's still going to be fully clothed.

That's the market decider now. Beauty. Not the willingness to break ladder rungs. That's what the girls did when they grabbed power and control of the market. The ones at the top were like, "I've got simps lined up around the corner. I can fucking sit here and rock back and forth doing absolutely fuck all and they'll still be in my chat flipping out and throwing cash at me like they're trying to put out a fire."

And fucking hell - if all the most beautiful girls out there don't do exactly that.

So - sure, for all the 6's and 7's left in the North American and European markets - they'll play by the old rules from the old porno directors for their $2000 pay day, forever losing the right to their material, and never seeing a nickel from those sales. But everyone else out there? From the 8's and upwards? Well - almost all of them - they're where the gigantic pot of money for doing fuck all is.

That I have to even explain this - is fucking bewildering.

The real world is indeed very competitive, we recently did several rounds of interviewing for some entry level jobs for a company, the people who we are getting are Oxbridge/Ivy League-esque applicants, they have a great image, and have promised to do the world and more if they were to receive a job offer. I reiterate that this is for an entry-level job for new or fairly recent graduates.

I also think that people are more likely to hold on to their cash/savings in this uncertain economic time.

So, to think that a super attractive, porn girl doing the bare minimum, and barely showing any skin would massively increase her market value is quite laughable...

It might be "quite laughable" if you don't know how the fuck the market actually works or what's actually been going on for the past half a decade almost?

You got Oxbridge and Ivy League level applicants lining up to work at your job place?

I'd be worried, xxxVIPERxxx.

[M_sicas_Candido]

That's the market decider now. Beauty. Not the willingness to break ladder rungs. That's what the girls did when they grabbed power and control of the market. The ones at the top were like, "I've got simps lined up around the corner. I can fucking sit here and rock back and forth doing absolutely fuck all and they'll still be in my chat flipping out and throwing cash at me like they're trying to put out a fire."

Beauty is the element that attracts the public at first, but it doesn't last even in the medium term. In fact, I would venture to say that men willing to pay for a camgirl's show are more attracted to her ability to awaken the fantasies of those guys than just by her beauty. And I confess that many of these girls on platforms perform better than those ones in studios. They know how to communicate with the public in a satisfactory way: this is their main asset and this is what explains the success of OF. This is porn, not fashion.

Some more visionary directors realized that communicating with the public is important: hence the POV productions, interviews, behind-the-scenes, footage of reality shows with actresses, forums... Elements that brought the viewers closer to the girls. But OF's model is simpler and cheaper.

[kumarsankar098]

I'm not a racist at all, don't get me wrong. It is simply attractiveness of girls compared to the ones the studios had in the past.

Attractiveness of girls is in the eyes of the beholder and as much as talent pool changes also users have to adapt. Fact is however that without at least 1 seriously big Russia based studio like SOS was and set a high Eurobabe expectation bar Pornbox is crippled.

I wouldnt say Site is dead, though. But users have to adapt to Latina girls if they want to buy as much porn scenes as they did before.

Latina girls are also excellent. The site is absolutely not dead. But, I surely miss NRX Studio.

[CocosNucifera]

The site technically is not dead. However, it changed it's profile.

Today, LP's offer is for customers who prefer Latinas/exotic girls or trans individuals or male homosexuals.

In the past, a big share of LP's menu consisted of scenes with Slavic or and other European girls.

For different reasons, this content is not producent anymore or in small quantities.

The site is alive and probably continues to generate satisfactory benefits for whoever runs it.

However, if someone used to buy and consume EuroPorn and, especially SlavPorn, there is basically no point to come here anymore.

It's basically my situation. I read forum because I got accustomed to do so and there are still interesting (for me) topics. But I barely check New scenes as I know there is nothing to expect.

I don't blame the site, I don't feel like participating in discussions about porn evolution and future has any sense and I'm too stupid to follow what certains forumers explain and implicate.

I prefer to rewatch my favourite scenes with my favourite Slavic or French girls, knowing well that this is a world that will never come back. However, I'm not going to "adapt" myself to any "market" or "trends" evolution. Better for me to acknowledge that the porn I love is finished and to accept there is no future.

Fortunately, I've enough "old" top quality Slavic Euro content to wank and rewank upon for years, until death. And if I'm hungry again, I will always orefer some more or less soft OF content to other porn ersatz with Slavic or other Euro girls over even excellent made porn with exotic girls.

Nothing against. Just a preference.

If LP was a restaurant I used to visit very often and enjoy the cuisine, today I would rather go there from time to time, order a beverage and spend a moment, remembering what I personally considered as it's golden age. However, zero rant, zero hate for what happened with it now. The history goes on and I can't do nothing to stop it.

[CocosNucifera]

And if I'm hungry again, I will always prefer some more or less soft OF content OR other porn ersatz with Slavic or other Euro girls over even excellent made porn with Exotic girls.

[rakdobi]

I'd rather have old NOREST stuff than this BS right now, how on earth have we managed to get this industry down into such an abyss of urine? Just pathetic-there must be a lot of old unreleased scenes, I'll pay for that rather than the new ones

[pornlover_holland]

That's the market decider now. Beauty. Not the willingness to break ladder rungs. That's what the girls did when they grabbed power and control of the market. The ones at the top were like, "I've got simps lined up around the corner. I can fucking sit here and rock back and forth doing absolutely fuck all and they'll still be in my chat flipping out and throwing cash at me like they're trying to put out a fire."

Beauty is the element that attracts the public at first, but it doesn't last even in the medium term. In fact, I would venture to say that men willing to pay for a camgirl's show are more attracted to her ability to awaken the fantasies of those guys than just by her beauty. And I confess that many of these girls on platforms perform better than those ones in studios. They know how to communicate with the public in a satisfactory way: this is their main asset and this is what explains the success of OF. This is porn, not fashion.

Some more visionary directors realized that communicating with the public is important: hence the POV productions, interviews, behind-the-scenes, footage of reality shows with actresses, forums... Elements that brought the viewers closer to the girls. But OF's model is simpler and cheaper.

I am an old school porn fan who watches porn since 1998. I have always watched porn from professional websites and not amateur stuff from OF f.e. And off course I like to see hot girls but the most important part of porn is still fucking. And when it is about fucking porn is still way better than OF. Off course I understand the girls. They have more control about the things they are doing when they are on OF and they earn more money for doing less (compared to porn).

But for me as a hardcore anal fan that is not what I am looking for. I wanna see the sexual limits of these girls. Just a group of guys jumping on a girl and fucking her in the ass non stop. If you wanna see that you need to go to website like EvilAngel and Legalporno and not OF. Forums, Interviews, Behind The Scenes can be interesting but it is not what porn really is about for me.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

That's the market decider now. Beauty. Not the willingness to break ladder rungs. That's what the girls did when they grabbed power and control of the market. The ones at the top were like, "I've got simps lined up around the corner. I can fucking sit here and rock back and forth doing absolutely fuck all and they'll still be in my chat flipping out and throwing cash at me like they're trying to put out a fire."

Beauty is the element that attracts the public at first, but it doesn't last even in the medium term. In fact, I would venture to say that men willing to pay for a camgirl's show are more attracted to her ability to awaken the fantasies of those guys than just by her beauty. And I confess that many of these girls on platforms perform better than those ones in studios. They know how to communicate with the public in a satisfactory way: this is their main asset and this is what explains the success of OF. This is porn, not fashion.

Some more visionary directors realized that communicating with the public is important: hence the POV productions, interviews, behind-the-scenes, footage of reality shows with actresses, forums... Elements that brought the viewers closer to the girls. But OF's model is simpler and cheaper.

I am an old school porn fan who watches porn since 1998. I have always watched porn from professional websites and not amateur stuff from OF f.e. And off course I like to see hot girls but the most important part of porn is still fucking. And when it is about fucking porn is still way better than OF. Off course I understand the girls. They have more control about the things they are doing when they are on OF and they earn more money for doing less (compared to porn).

But for me as a hardcore anal fan that is not what I am looking for. I wanna see the sexual limits of these girls. Just a group of guys jumping on a girl and fucking her in the ass non stop. If you wanna see that you need to go to website like EvilAngel and Legalporno and not OF. Forums, Interviews, Behind The Scenes can be interesting but it is not what porn really is about for me.

I am in complete agreement with pornlover_holland. It is nice to contribute to a community in terms of forums, interviews, BTS etc...but in terms of hardcore porn...OF can never be as good as LPAV, or other top tier, premium porn sites. Yes, there are some good aspects to OF...but in will never replace real, traditional, hardcore/extreme porn on LPAV.

[pornlover_holland]

I am in complete agreement with pornlover_holland. It is nice to contribute to a community in terms of forums, interviews, BTS etc...but in terms of hardcore porn...OF can never be as good as LPAV, or other top tier, premium porn sites. Yes, there are some good aspects to OF...but in will never replace real, traditional, hardcore/extreme porn on LPAV.

I am a porn collector. I have collected enough porn during the years (also from LegalPorno off course). So I have six hard disks with approximately 45TB of anal porn. So if there would be any porn today I have enough to watch. Don't worry.
It is an all anal collection with only very hardcore porn. I have taken lots of subscriptions so I could download all those vids. As fans as we want the porn industry to continue we must also be able to pay for porn. And it is often quite cheap (cheaper than OF f.e.)

[M_sicas_Candido]

Forums, Interviews, Behind The Scenes can be interesting but it is not what porn really is about for me.

You, like most people here, are classic consumers - you are the best: you are interested in action for action's sake. But it must be said that these additional items were an interesting differentiator to attract the public.

[dap-addict]

I have 3 porn girl interviews ready, just need to fully transcribe them, but my feeling is they are less in demand than 2-3y back.
It's strange, but maybe also forum is dying.

[dap-addict]

The site technically is not dead. However, it changed it's profile.

Today, LP's offer is for customers who prefer Latinas/exotic girls ...
(...)
However, if someone used to buy and consume EuroPorn and, especially SlavPorn, there is basically no point to come here anymore.

It's basically my situation. I read forum because I got accustomed to do so and there are still interesting (for me) topics. But I barely check New scenes as I know there is nothing to expect.

I don't blame the site, I don't feel like participating in discussions about porn evolution and future has any sense and I'm too stupid to follow what certains forumers explain and implicate.

You are sure not too stupid for that, Zizi!
We have people here discussing involved still in bringing SlavPorn girls to studios as well as Latinas. We take the best from both worlds and create a financially still sustainable mix for the left off Prague studios.

And I am actually suprised how little forum reaction I got for two Slavic girls I currently support for getting to work with the right people, for the right money and true hardcore anal content. And users not checking the news miss out on new Slavic girls such as Olivia Zlota from your country.
A beautifully carved, tattoo-less almost virgin body waiting for best Prague studios!