POLL: Shoot your own anal/DAP, buy a new car or more porn?

[kolbino]

Come over to my land and let's make elite scenes. We can deliver one scene every night for months on end.

equipment needed.
A Netflix camera approved.
Two top-of-the line microphones.
Decent lighting.
a couple of lenses from 35mm to 70 mm with motion stabilizer
camera glider and tripod + camera glider track that one we will build ourselves.

A decent place to shoot our scenes goes for 250 to 400 USD a month.

models from $100 upward.
studs a dime a dozen 50 and up. We also have the Haitian BBC plenty to choose from.
The cost of living is not that expensive.
A sexual diseases doctor is free but can be paid for.

In case we needed Colombian or Brazilian models, the round trip is about 300 USD; only a passport is needed, and we can accommodate them in our studio for their stay.

10 thousand in equipment.
40,000 to shoot porn.
In 6 months, for sure, we will have that money back.
will hire 2 advertising agents for 250 dollars a month to upload our trailers and fan-version trailers all over the net on all social media.
will also have our models do 15-minute get-to-know-you live shows on Telegram for paying members free of charge.
There are so many things to do to capture the audience's attention and their money.

I, Vi, is your free editing guy. My computer is old, but adding a decent graphics card will do justice.
will do wonders.

model speaking to the audience, Hola, mi nombre es lucia, me pude escapar de la casa por 2 horas, sé que ustedes asen escenas anales, pero por favor no me rompan el culo.
Mi marido se pondría muy furioso.

Hello, my name is Lucia, I was able to escape from the house for 2 hours. I know that you do anal scenes, but please don't break my ass.
My husband would be very angry.

Lucia surrounded by 10 Haitian BBC, assuring her in their own language that everything is going to be just fine.

Luicia does not understand what they said to her, so she looks at the producer to see if he can translate.

The producer tells Lucia to talk to them in sign language.

In sign language, Lucia tells the Haitian BBC not to break her ass as she shows them her precious asshole.

To say some important things. There is absolutely no need for Netflix approved camera to shoot porn professionally.

What are two top-of-the line mics for you? What would be your concept of shooting? Mic on camera or mic off camera? If it's the the second option you do know that than you would need an audio recorder? That means you would shoot audio and video separately and than you'd need to sync them while editing. If it is the first, than you'd need two cameras with external mics on them.

Decent lighting? What is your idea of that? Tell me. You do know that outdoor shooting is very different story than shooting in an apartment or a studio? Do you know the basics of lighting?


A couple of lenses from 35mm to 70 mm with motion stabilizer? What you wanted to say was, lenses with OIS, optical image stabilization. Did you know that it is actually more important that camera body has IBIS, in body image stabilization? While the focal length is important, f/stop is equally important.For example, lenses with lower f/stops are more expensive. But, do you always need them? It depends do you shoot in a low light situations or you have plenty of light. Do you know what ND filters are and when you need to use them?

Do you know the difference between prime lenses and zoom lenses and what is the difference in using them? 70mm as a prime lens is not really suitable for shooting porn. For some 35mm might be the sweet spot. Some might prefer 50mm. Some like to go extra wide 14mm, 16mm, 20mm, 24 mm. Some might prefer zoom lenses.

Camera glider and tripod + camera glider track that one you will build yourselves? Yep, some cameramen shoot from a tripod. But, than they must choose proper lenses. Some prefer hand held. Some use gimbals, some steadycams or glidecams . There's no camera glider, there is a camera slider. Some pros might prefer dolly.

Videography is a complex craft.

[kolbino]

More about the gear. For example, the guy most people hate on this forum, Pierre, still uses professional camcorder to shoot his content.

I know a guy who is shooting porn for a long time and currently(this year)he's shooting with cheap camcorder in HD. I know an ex pornstar who uses a toy of a camcorder to shoot her content. Gear is important, but how you use it and what is the quality of the content is much more important.

[kolbino]

Come over to my land and let's make elite scenes. We can deliver one scene every night for months on end.

equipment needed.
A Netflix camera approved.
Two top-of-the line microphones.
Decent lighting.
a couple of lenses from 35mm to 70 mm with motion stabilizer
camera glider and tripod + camera glider track that one we will build ourselves.

A decent place to shoot our scenes goes for 250 to 400 USD a month.

models from $100 upward.
studs a dime a dozen 50 and up. We also have the Haitian BBC plenty to choose from.
The cost of living is not that expensive.
A sexual diseases doctor is free but can be paid for.

In case we needed Colombian or Brazilian models, the round trip is about 300 USD; only a passport is needed, and we can accommodate them in our studio for their stay.

10 thousand in equipment.
40,000 to shoot porn.
In 6 months, for sure, we will have that money back.
will hire 2 advertising agents for 250 dollars a month to upload our trailers and fan-version trailers all over the net on all social media.
will also have our models do 15-minute get-to-know-you live shows on Telegram for paying members free of charge.
There are so many things to do to capture the audience's attention and their money.

I, Vi, is your free editing guy. My computer is old, but adding a decent graphics card will do justice.
will do wonders.

model speaking to the audience, Hola, mi nombre es lucia, me pude escapar de la casa por 2 horas, sé que ustedes asen escenas anales, pero por favor no me rompan el culo.
Mi marido se pondría muy furioso.

Hello, my name is Lucia, I was able to escape from the house for 2 hours. I know that you do anal scenes, but please don't break my ass.
My husband would be very angry.

Lucia surrounded by 10 Haitian BBC, assuring her in their own language that everything is going to be just fine.

Luicia does not understand what they said to her, so she looks at the producer to see if he can translate.

The producer tells Lucia to talk to them in sign language.

In sign language, Lucia tells the Haitian BBC not to break her ass as she shows them her precious asshole.

To say some important things. There is absolutely no need for Netflix approved camera to shoot porn professionally.

What are two top-of-the line mics for you? What would be your concept of shooting? Mic on camera or mic off camera? If it's the the second option you do know that than you would need an audio recorder? That means you would shoot audio and video separately and than you'd need to sync them while editing. If it is the first, than you'd need two cameras with external mics on them.

Decent lighting? What is your idea of that? Tell me. You do know that outdoor shooting is very different story than shooting in an apartment or a studio? Do you know the basics of lighting?


A couple of lenses from 35mm to 70 mm with motion stabilizer? What you wanted to say was, lenses with OIS, optical image stabilization. Did you know that it is actually more important that camera body has IBIS, in body image stabilization? While the focal length is important, f/stop is equally important.For example, lenses with lower f/stops are more expensive. But, do you always need them? It depends do you shoot in a low light situations or you have plenty of light. Do you know what ND filters are and when you need to use them?

Do you know the difference between prime lenses and zoom lenses and what is the difference in using them? 70mm as a prime lens is not really suitable for shooting porn. For some 35mm might be the sweet spot. Some might prefer 50mm. Some like to go extra wide 14mm, 16mm, 20mm, 24 mm. Some might prefer zoom lenses.

Camera glider and tripod + camera glider track that one you will build yourselves? Yep, some cameramen shoot from a tripod. But, than they must choose proper lenses. Some prefer hand held. Some use gimbals, some steadycams or glidecams . There's no camera glider, there is a camera slider. Some pros might prefer dolly.

Videography is a complex craft.

No answer from you?

[dap-addict]

So far there was slightly over 50% of support, but I just prolonged the voting since I'm in delay with all my plans.

Btw, 8 DAP + 8 single anal scenes are based on plus-minus Prague going rates.
Shootings could take place also in Budapest or any other EU town, also Riga or Tallinn for instance to grab some slightly cheaper Russian girls.
Shootings would include maximum 2 scenes with the same girl, usually a single anal warm-up and then a 3on1 DAP scene. If money is sufficient it would include wet and fisting.

Idea would be to start with a multiple-city studio not later than August 2024. And to end that project by Dec. 2025, plus eventually invest Pornbox earned money into more porn from 2026 onwards. Shooting would take place ideally every 2nd month within 3-4 days in a rented flat.

Meanwhile I dont think 2 scenes only with the same girl works fine without any fixed collaboration with a bigger Prague based studio. And here only 1 is left at the moment.

Better is a 5 scene booking per girl - 1 1on1 anal intro fellowed by 4 differently teamed 2on1 and 3on1 DAP scenes - because it guarantees more independence.

Ideally a 2 Latin American import girls every 2mt of 2025 with sale start in May sound like a better option because they can get a fair payment without reference to the high Prague going rates. High travel costs can be balanced by more scenes. But girls have to be in pretty high porn user demand with at least a 1-year span, which demands some more advertising.

Ideally these are new Colombian, Venezuelan, Argentinian or Brazilian girls with good wet DAP-ability to cut financial risks. Sorry to pretty much dump my former Slavic girl plans, but it's just too expensive, I'm afraid.

[kolbino]

Come over to my land and let's make elite scenes. We can deliver one scene every night for months on end.

equipment needed.
A Netflix camera approved.
Two top-of-the line microphones.
Decent lighting.
a couple of lenses from 35mm to 70 mm with motion stabilizer
camera glider and tripod + camera glider track that one we will build ourselves.

A decent place to shoot our scenes goes for 250 to 400 USD a month.

models from $100 upward.
studs a dime a dozen 50 and up. We also have the Haitian BBC plenty to choose from.
The cost of living is not that expensive.
A sexual diseases doctor is free but can be paid for.

In case we needed Colombian or Brazilian models, the round trip is about 300 USD; only a passport is needed, and we can accommodate them in our studio for their stay.

10 thousand in equipment.
40,000 to shoot porn.
In 6 months, for sure, we will have that money back.
will hire 2 advertising agents for 250 dollars a month to upload our trailers and fan-version trailers all over the net on all social media.
will also have our models do 15-minute get-to-know-you live shows on Telegram for paying members free of charge.
There are so many things to do to capture the audience's attention and their money.

I, Vi, is your free editing guy. My computer is old, but adding a decent graphics card will do justice.
will do wonders.

model speaking to the audience, Hola, mi nombre es lucia, me pude escapar de la casa por 2 horas, sé que ustedes asen escenas anales, pero por favor no me rompan el culo.
Mi marido se pondría muy furioso.

Hello, my name is Lucia, I was able to escape from the house for 2 hours. I know that you do anal scenes, but please don't break my ass.
My husband would be very angry.

Lucia surrounded by 10 Haitian BBC, assuring her in their own language that everything is going to be just fine.

Luicia does not understand what they said to her, so she looks at the producer to see if he can translate.

The producer tells Lucia to talk to them in sign language.

In sign language, Lucia tells the Haitian BBC not to break her ass as she shows them her precious asshole.

You are the guy from Latin Teens Productions? You're shooting with Canon camcorder.

It's Canon camcorder with shotgun mic on it. I'm talking about scenes from this year.

[dap-addict]

Ideally these are new Colombian, Venezuelan, Argentinian or Brazilian girls with good wet DAP-ability to cut financial risks. Sorry to pretty much dump my former Slavic girl plans, but it's just too expensive, I'm afraid.

Despite Vi and his Dominican ideas gone, I haven't given up. Anyway, looks like Brazilian girls can be scouted at pretty same rates if you go farther into country, but you need good local connections. Same for Colombia ofc.
Problem may be some new EU travel rules by 2025, they have to come as tourists ofc.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I still think you are better off using that money to support the existing porn on here.

[dap-addict]

I still think you are better off using that money to support the existing porn on here.

You may have gotten me wrong, but its not an either or: An Audi S3 costs about 62k $ now, for my porn consumer hobby I need 3-6k $ per year.

If I'd shoot 5 scenes with the same girl based on 1x anal + 4x DAP depending on place of shooting I could get a DAP into my raw video box for 1-3k $.

[isis666xxx]

Hola, mi nombre es lucia, me pude escapar de la casa por 2 horas, sé que ustedes asen escenas anales, pero por favor no me rompan el culo.
Mi marido se pondría muy furioso.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Despite Vi and his Dominican ideas gone

why is he gone????

visigoth return plz

your messages were very high quality with custom images

[isis666xxx]

I still think you are better off using that money to support the existing porn on here.

You may have gotten me wrong, but its not an either or: An Audi S3 costs about 62k $ now, for my porn consumer hobby I need 3-6k $ per year.

If I'd shoot 5 scenes with the same girl based on 1x anal + 4x DAP depending on place of shooting I could get a DAP into my raw video box for 1-3k $.

can you see my dap-addict 40.000 messages celebration thread plz

viewtopic.php?f=184&t=89831

[kolbino]

I still think you are better off using that money to support the existing porn on here.

You may have gotten me wrong, but its not an either or: An Audi S3 costs about 62k $ now, for my porn consumer hobby I need 3-6k $ per year.

If I'd shoot 5 scenes with the same girl based on 1x anal + 4x DAP depending on place of shooting I could get a DAP into my raw video box for 1-3k $.

Your money, your choice. But, expensive car is a terrible investment as it will only create a continuous costs with zero profit.

You have done shootings in the past and I am sure those are unforgettable memories for you. No car can match that.

The experience of doing shootings to create a professional content will be, once more, something unforgettable. Especially for a somebody like you, porn expert.

Of course, shooting professional content could, will make a profit. If you know what you're doing, if you know how, where to sell that content.

[dap-addict]

Your money, your choice. But, expensive car is a terrible investment as it will only create a continuous costs with zero profit.

Thanks for thumbs up, I tend to think same way, but I also need to replace my car soon. Anyway, I just did some travelling trying to establish some options for shooting abroad. There's some hopeful developments, but I need to adjust my business plan a bit.
Fees are skyrocketing in most places it seems!

[isis666xxx]

dap addict doesnt like my congratulations post

[dap-addict]

Not true, but I just post and carry on.
Also if there still was an editing possibility I would have half that current number or even less.

[xxxEVOxxx]

Your money, your choice. But, expensive car is a terrible investment as it will only create a continuous costs with zero profit.

Thanks for thumbs up, I tend to think same way, but I also need to replace my car soon. Anyway, I just did some travelling trying to establish some options for shooting abroad. There's some hopeful developments, but I need to adjust my business plan a bit.
Fees are skyrocketing in most places it seems!

Prestige, used car prices have dropped a lot from their recent peaks...with it being closer to Christmas time...you could easily bag a bargain in a reputable online car auction.

You could get a very decent 4-5 year old Mercedes Benz A class with 60,000+ miles on the clock for around 9,000 GBP.
If you want, you could even get a good spec, 6-7 years old Mercedes Benz C class with 85,000+ miles on the clock for 11,000 GBP.

[dap-addict]

Your money, your choice. But, expensive car is a terrible investment as it will only create a continuous costs with zero profit.

Thanks for thumbs up, I tend to think same way, but I also need to replace my car soon. Anyway, I just did some travelling trying to establish some options for shooting abroad. There's some hopeful developments, but I need to adjust my business plan a bit.
Fees are skyrocketing in most places it seems!

Have been to Argentina recently.
Now there is hope!
But all will be later, car as well I'm afraid.

[dap-addict]

You have done shootings in the past and I am sure those are unforgettable memories for you. No car can match that.

True!
Decision is taken basically, but more time needed, and ideally also more money.

[dap-addict]

Btw, prolonged poll until just after X-mas.
What would other porn users do?
Somebody experienced in LAM?

[latina-girls-yes]

hey DAPaddict, it's cool that you have these fantasies and, if dreaming about it and talking about it here with others makes you happy, that would be reason enough for this thread to exist in its own right. fantasy is the spice of life and daydreaming for daydreaming's sake enriches all of our lives.

but... moving beyond daydreaming for its own sake and moving into reality, do you ave any experience at all of releasing professional xxx scenes (in terms of technical quality and content) that sufficient numbers of people were prepared to pay for in order to make the exercise remotely viable or sustainable? (i don't know your history, so excuse my ignorance if you have a previous history and a footprint within xxx that i am unaware of)

you've presented some numbers for the turnover and returns you think are required to make the thing work, and you've suggested some potential models and shooting locations you are interested in, and research and targets are useful as a point of departure and destination

but it's not clear (to me) from all i have read here whether you are toying with this idea as a starting point for a fun personal shoot (so sinking cash into that and expecting no return is ok), or you are presenting this as a potential commercial concern, which requires a whole other level of committment, technical skill and proven experience in all aspects of the busines (scouting, shooting, selling, paperwork, deadlines) in order to secure a return (or even just break even)

are you resolved on that yet? the poll has been extended several times but as the months have passed you still seem to be stuck somewhere between theorising about it and doing something practical. where is this going?

[dap-addict]

...but it's not clear (to me) from all i have read here whether you are toying with this idea as a starting point for a fun personal shoot (so sinking cash into that and expecting no return is ok), or you are presenting this as a potential commercial concern...

I can spend that money just for personal fun and the experience. But to make project full, I'd like to sell these scenes and create revenues. Just start a project as a testing ground the way some few other forum members have with more or less success done it in the past, Pinapples for instance or Mambo.

So far I have only financed some DAP scenes but they were shot my others and I've shot some amateur scenes is Russia. Those I did only for personal fun.

[latina-girls-yes]

...but it's not clear (to me) from all i have read here whether you are toying with this idea as a starting point for a fun personal shoot (so sinking cash into that and expecting no return is ok), or you are presenting this as a potential commercial concern...

I can spend that money just for personal fun and the experience. But to make project full, I'd like to sell these scenes and create revenues. Just start a project as a testing ground the way some few other forum members have with more or less success done it in the past, Pinapples for instance or Mambo.

So far I have only financed some DAP scenes but they were shot my others and I've shot some amateur scenes is Russia. Those I did only for personal fun.

if you don't know (and really know) what you are doing with a camera or lighting, i think getting someone in with some expertise in that area to handle those technical aspects (while you handle direction and budget) is by far the best policy (as you say you have done previously). director/producer is more than enough responsiblity as it is

going to the (not inconsiderable) cost and effort of putting a days shooting together, only to find out what you thought looked focused through the viewfinder appears fuzzy and wobbly on the big screen, would quickly kill your dream

play to your proven strengths and (with humility) accept your weak points and delegate those tasks to people who can

Have been to Argentina recently.
Now there is hope!

i wouldn't bet a penny of my money on argentina as a destination for a new business start-up at present, purely due to the irrational behaviour of the profoundly compromised puppet currently heading up the government

he's obviously been charged by his handlers to inflict the same form of financial 'shock therapy' on argentina today as boris yeltsin was charged with inflicting on russia in the 1990s (and on behalf of the same governments and financial forces)

and (just as happened in russia in the 1990s) the only new 'business' opportunites that will arise out of that (unless you are a predatory multi-national investment fund) will be those that involve firearms

the man is a walking liability, and until he's removed from office and replaced by sane and stable management, new investment of all kinds (including startups) should stay well away or be prepared to lose everything

i'm not going any further into the politics of it because i come here to escape that (my job involves analysing geopolitics - among other things - in order to effectively evaluate and quantify risk), but since i can't reasonably tell you 'don't do it' without giving you the 'why', that's my reason

imo a better way for you to achieve what you say you want to achieve would be to set up shop in the south of brazil, and invite the up-and-coming performers in argentina you are interested in over the border to shoot

that way, if your theories about argentina becoming a rising source of new xxx performers, you will prosper.
and if your theories should prove unfounded, or disappointingly slow in materialising, you can still fall back on brazilian models to keep production going day-to-day. it's a win-win, if you have what it takes to deliver the content

[dap-addict]

imo a better way for you to achieve what you say you want to achieve would be to set up shop in the south of brazil, and invite the up-and-coming performers in argentina you are interested in over the border to shoot

that way, if your theories about argentina becoming a rising source of new xxx performers, you will prosper. and if your theories should prove unfounded, or disappointingly slow in materialising...the content

That's a valid option, actually!
As for my theory...it's easy basically: I need nice girls at a fair price also for the producer, not only the girl. I need a win-win situation and growing economic hardship in Argentina will motivate girls to try porn as a source of income. It happened in Russia early 1990ties, so why shouldn't it happen in Argentina now?

I reckon DAP fee in Europe just has become too expensive for a porn start-up - and DAP fees expected by Gringos in São Paulo are also getting too high.

[dap-addict]

Have been to Argentina recently.
Now there is hope!

i wouldn't bet a penny of my money on argentina as a destination for a new business start-up at present, purely due to the irrational behaviour of the profoundly compromised puppet currently heading up the government

I plan a fact finding visit to Peru in March, not best travel time because of the rain, I know, but cant wait too long. Wanna check also on Venezuelan refugee girl situation on spot, porn could be a valid option for them as it is in Colombia. Peru has about same minimum wage but is way more stable, which creates opportunities for a fair income, a win-win situation.
Venezuelan girls are highly attractive and anally capable as we have seen @ LTP and NTP.

[latina-girls-yes]

I plan a fact finding visit to Peru in March, not best travel time because of the rain, I know, but cant wait too long.

Peru? in search of DAP el Dorado? hmmm, hopefully not your famous-infamous final words... as so many before you!

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imo Peru is ony 'stable' in so far as the government is now effectively gridlocked (president v parliament) and unable to do anything at all until the next election in 2026. so you could argue that presents a (very) brief window of opportunity

in the meantime, the leftwing vice-president is currently trying to hold the fort and rally leaders of neighouring countries around to get the actual elected president out of prison (imprisoned since 2022 on - still unproven -impeachment charges)

and radical right opposition contender Keiko Fujimori, daughter of literal fascist dictator Alberto Fujimori (convicted and sentenced to 25 years for crimes against humanity for running death squads that operated against his political opponents) is currrently appealing to the army to instigate a coup and for rightwing mobs on the street to rise up and overthrow the government

so my understanding is that Peru is far less stable than Argentina, which in turn is far less stable than Brazil

but as Don Lope de Aguirre in Herzog's film says "Fortune smiles on the brave and spits on the coward!". so i will be interested to hear news of your own fact finding venture down the amazon this coming march

Venezuelan girls are highly attractive and anally capable as we have seen @ LTP and NTP.

a fact we can all agree on!

[dap-addict]

Look, I am not so much into politics than an economic analysis leading to opportunities porn can give to local girls. I'd also like to give Venezuelan girls an opportunity to earn good money because I think they are still under-represented in porn and would have a lot to offer at good, fair fees benefitting both studios and themselves.

DAP fee so far was based on average income, but shifts now more towards minimum income. A girl can easily perform 4 DAPs per month, though, which opens up a good opportunity, be it at short term.

Porn production has to be legal or at least not hampered ofc.
Ideally there are scouts locally working for different sex trades, also porn.

[dap-addict]

Btw, DAP is very difficult to shoot and better done by seasoned videographer(s), I'm ready to pay for. I wont learn to handle camerawork myself, time is too short for that.
But the porn sex act itself can be bought in economic circumstances favoring porn productions like I met them 2005-12 in Russia. There DAP was a question of additional payment with most girls. Anal was very easy to come by, you offered more and girl would at least try DAP. The anally talented ones got famous, we all know them until today!

[latina-girls-yes]

Look, I am not so much into politics than an economic analysis leading to opportunities porn can give to local girls. I'd also like to give Venezuelan girls an opportunity to earn good money because I think they are still under-represented in porn and would have a lot to offer at good, fair fees benefitting both studios and themselves.

DAP fee so far was based on average income, but shifts now more towards minimum income. A girl can easily perform 4 DAPs per month, though, which opens up a good opportunity, be it at short term.

Porn production has to be legal or at least not hampered ofc.
Ideally there are scouts locally working for different sex trades, also porn.

i tend to view-analyse countries (primarily) from a top-down perspective with regard to evaluating risk to investment (i work in ethical investments and the insurance of).

therefore deeply unstable leaders and governments that are spinning out of control for the whole world to see are always a huge flashing red light for me, because i know they are a flashing red light for international investment generally

scare the market with irrational behaviour and conspicuously batshit policies and even countries that most people would consider stable will feel the pain (see what happened recently under Liz Truss, Britain's shortest ever serving prime minster, forced to resign after six weeks)

that said, the view from street level looking up is something you can ony get a feel for through meeting and discussing with people who operate at ground level across the country (not just in hotel lobbies), over a period of months

if you have the luxury of that opportunity, you may be able to identify a niche within the 'parallel economy' (every country has one, the poorer it is the bigger it is) you can claim for your project and achieve what you are setting out to achieve (your El Dorado)

so i'm not saying it can't be done, and i'm certainly not saying you shouldn't try, i only mention the politics as i would mention the weather forecast to someone planning a picnic.
whether or not you are interested in them, don't forget to take those potentially varying top-down forces into consideration, as they will constitute the climate in which you will have to operate for the duration of your stay

but it sounds like fun, so why not?

[paobroncix01]

Seems like the availability of Venezuelan models is a good opportunity. They are often very beautiful and talented. It is also giving the possibility to shoot at competing rates.
But it is probably quite an operation to set this all up locally. You will probably need ppl with local knowledge of the situation. And of course also for scouting.
The stability and safety you can only assess when looking around there locally.

[dap-addict]

Seems like the availability of Venezuelan models is a good opportunity. They are often very beautiful and talented. It is also giving the possibility to shoot at competing rates.

Currently there is much more Venezuelan fleeing to Peru and Brasil than to Colombia and Argentina. This creates an opportunity mainly in Peru, where local economy works on a poor level anyway. This said ofc I also agree with l-g-y than political and a top-down analysis never harms in any assessment. Problem in the end is always reliable local contacts and a working scouting system. A fact finding trip as now done in Argentina and planned for Peru is just a drop in the Sea, just gives a feeling, but hard facts will decide in the end, even at the cost of paying higher rates, but being able to really produce porn quietly in the end.
It's not an easy road, and I realize that staying in cosy Prague would be much easier. Problem is I dont see any sustainable future for porn with such exorbitant DAP fees anymore. I feel like 2005 in Budapest when all porn sex act fees skyrocket and basically killed the local market for years. Than porn biz moved to Russia, now it looks like it has to move to Latin America. But where exactly there?

[dap-addict]

cf. let me add Joachim Kessefs secret Ecquatorian porn tour of 2022 as a warning: IV was hard pressed by diminishing profit margins and they went to LAM to shoot some DAPs and anal scenes. They payed little for the girls, but a lot for the security of their film crew. And in the end they couldnt sell their porn films because girls were unknown and lots of problems with shootings were too obviously visible in their final product.

They scouted Daniela Cordona (https://pornbox.com/application/model/105259) locally for instance and basically shot only DAP with her. She performed okay for a rookie, but wouldn't sell back in EU and US. A year later IV closed porn production. Now 1 year later it looks like the first domino to fall before Gonzo and finally GIO.
It's sure important to take this warning! Just that IV had lots of other problems easily to avoid with a completely new porn studio.

[paobroncix01]

cf. let me add Joachim Kessefs secret Ecquatorian porn tour of 2022 as a warning: IV was hard pressed by diminishing profit margins and they went to LAM to shoot some DAPs and anal scenes. They payed little for the girls, but a lot for the security of their film crew. And in the end they couldnt sell their porn films because girls were unknown and lots of problems with shootings were too obviously visible in their final product.

They scouted Daniela Cordona (https://pornbox.com/application/model/105259) locally for instance and basically shot only DAP with her. She performed okay for a rookie, but wouldn't sell back in EU and US. A year later IV closed porn production. Now 1 year later it looks like the first domino to fall before Gonzo and finally GIO.
It's sure important to take this warning! Just that IV had lots of other problems easily to avoid with a completely new porn studio.

Daniela Cordona is a very beautiful model, with a very good figure, and she is performing very good DAP. I wonder why ssales were not successful in EU and US. Looks more like a promotion problem to me. I did not know her before, for example.

The security in such countries can be a problem. Ecuador is really not a possibility now anymore because of the bad safety situation. About Peru I do not know much about the situation.
There are safer countries in the region, but the availability of models can be a problem there. For example a country like Suriname is a rather safe country, but probably too few Venezuelans there for local scouting.

[marcimilan]

Oh shit.
This russian strachova must have LP scene

[dap-addict]

Oh shit.
This russian strachova must have LP scene

You refer to that Russian Dubai fotografer?
I dont think she performs, she just shoots portraits of some Russian ex porn girls from time to time.

[hyapet]

Alright, dap_addict, I'm going to break this into three parts. The first part (this one) is going to deal with why the plans you have ... might not work out for the best (or as intended). The second part will deal with the ultimate realities of what you're facing out there in this market today - the limitations that are imposed upon you. And the third part will deal with what I see as your best option including some "outside of the box" thinking - alongside an offer of my personal help and assistance with regards to it. No pressure to involve me - but - after I lay everything out - I hope that at least I can afford you some clarity on the situation as you present it.

Alright, first off ...

Your interest in the South American market lies primarily in the cheapness (and quality) of talent. But, man, honestly ... it's South America. A lot of Westerners get under the impression that the world out there is like the world here. It isn't. Now - you might be expecting what I'm going to say next - but let me roll it to you in a way that makes it real.

Every expenditure has hidden and surprise costs. Suddenly, one day, your editing computer stops working. You take it somewhere to get it fixed - they either don't return it and pretend you never walked into the shop - tell you you need a few parts you don't need and overcharge you on those - or (best case scenario) overcharge you for the part you do need. You don't have any networks there - so every venture into every commercial enterprise for something you need makes you an absolute target. As does the fact that, when you walk in there, it's absolutely obvious that you aren't from there.

Next up - if you think the police in the Western countries are a joke - the police pretty much doesn't exist in South America. Somebody you talk to or hire - whether it's a stud - a technician - the person you're renting the flat from - someone is going to tell a group of, let's call them "connected individuals" exactly why you're there and what you're doing. When that knock on the door comes - and five 6'5 guys who look like they've already got a couple of bodies in their trunk (where the rest of the gang is waiting) come in - look around, and ask (as if hurt by the implication), "Hey ... what is it you want to do with my sister's friend?" I hope you have some really good answers or some really good bundles of cash ready for these guys.

This is pornography. Despite what liberal softness in the West treats it as - the rest of the world sees it as a crime-oriented business (or at least affiliated with it). Making you, the new-comer who decided, "Hey, I'm going to fuck a bunch of Latin girls in the ass," an absolute prime target to fuck with/extort/kill. This is South Fucking America. A Western pornographer dying is going to elicit cheers and laughter at the cop shop.

Every year, there's a ton of folks from my country who think, "Oh man! Look at those prices! It's going to be an absolute blast!" Every year, without fail, upwards to fifteen of them come back in body bags. And they were tourists. You're going there to, explicitly, fuck with the locals.

Next - your money runs out for whatever reason before you got something on the market or have started pulling in cash - then what? What are your safetys in South Fucking America? Where can you go after something's happened - or everything didn't go to plan - and actually be alright? Like - I don't want to make the entire continent sound like it's an absolute crime den (although, honestly ...), but, the people who always seem to come back in the body bags are the very ones who went there with big ideas of adventure in their head and weren't equipped to deal with the place that South America absolutely is.

Finally ... the South American girls ...

I don't want this to veer too much into the next topic for the next post - but, needless to say, despite the beauty of many of these girls, there are certain things that hold them back from, or the people who shoot them, earning top porn dollar.

When it comes to porn sales - Caucasian and Asian girls rule hands down. And even Asians find themselves well behind Caucasians. All those OF millionaires being absolutely sexist and insufferable pieces of shit? All White. Doesn't matter what failures of humans they are right to their audience - people are cranking it to their God given beauty - and those porn dollars aren't going to the following people:

Girls of color - Girls who don't speak English well - Girls who are larger/more muscular/have more exaggerated features. The last one isn't always particularly true - but the South American girl typically has a "look." And - without actually saying anything negative about them - the reality of the porn dollar is that it typically goes elsewhere.

"Alright," you say, "What about Natasha Teen and Lancelot and Latin Teens and Mambo and Yummy?"

They all existed during the NRX days. And guess what NRX did. [I]Slaughtered them. To no fault of their own - but, again ... the porn dollar wants what the porn dollar wants. It was only after the entire traditional porn market imploded due to shenanigans/Ukraine War/OF dominance/all traditional studios closing down that suddenly these studios started getting noticed and paid attention to. Literal, the entire traditional porn market had to be upended and implode in on itself before suddenly people started paying attention.

But even that doesn't fully describe the reality of the situation. When you see a Natasha Teen production ... it's like ... years, literal years of work went into making that possible. Especially the scouting that allows girls like the Hayek Twins and Ruby Walker to appear on the platform. If your idea is to go down there and merely give side work to the girls who already get gigs at the top studios, then let me disabuse you of that notion. They've most likely all been told to keep it in-house with the Pornbox family, and even if they haven't, think about it from the audience's point of view ...

They're going to start purchasing amateur side-productions of the same girl's who they can get full-blown professional sets of? They've already seen these girls get DAP broken, so ... now what? They're going to pay more money to see the girl get another DAP with a smaller number of less professional (and less hung) studs in a shittier apartment with amateur equipment?

This ... probably isn't going to work. And, even if it did, what do you see yourself doing? Staying in South America for years to keep a hand on the business? I've been searching for the dude's name in the comments who keeps making the comments based on the economic viability of starting a business in South America (for some reason I can't find any of them down below this text box) - but Buddy is pretty much spot on. Even if your business succeeds and thrives now - what happens when the next major election goes awry, or that of the neighboring countries, or the drug cartels begin to infiltrate the location your in and start targeting the businesses there, or the gangs, or ...

Shooting porn isn't worth your life. Natasha Teen and the rest achieve their success by being in major metropolitan centers - and the (small) safety that affords. But - doing that would require a much larger start up fund than you've got. And, even then ... with the nature of the porn industry as it exists now ... going to a market that's already saturated with studios producing the very content you want to make and try to squeeze in there ... it just doesn't seem to have a lot of viability to it.

Try to look at it from the perspective of an investor (which you are). If somebody came to you with all of these possible, no ... scratch that ... very real downsides ... would you give your money to them with the comfort of expecting a likely return? Obviously, if they're talking to you, they're not an incompetent moron who's going to stupidly throw away your cash. So ... if the plan wouldn't look good with them in charge ... what could you realistically do differently that would swing the odds more in your favor?

From both the looks and sounds of it - in this particular instance - not that much, right?

Alright - so - that's dealing with things with regards to how you've been talking about them so far. As I said - this is just part one. Next time - we're going to analyze the industry - see trends - recognize circumstances - and then lay out the basic reality of the resources you've got (which includes much more than just money) - which will then set us up for the third post. In which ...

I will suggest a plan that effectively turns your weaknesses into strengths - looks at the trends of the market and figures out the best way to capitalize on them allowing yourself to create a product that will ensure what you need more than financial return (for the initial investment) - which is product differentiation and visibility. Which will allow you to get investment from other sources because you've established a product and, more importantly, a brand that is popular, known, and in demand.

Hold on to those 50 G's, dap_addict. Because, I too believe DAP's to be the pinnacle of porn. And, if nothing else, I would want to see your venture become something which I believe the industry as a whole really needs. A levelling up. Not just of DAP's, but shot porn in general.

As I said - more to come. I'll try to write the next one tomorrow - but by Monday for sure.

Stay tuned.

[dap-addict]

Thanks for your thoughts, hyapet.

Even if your business succeeds and thrives now - what happens when the next major election goes awry, or that of the neighboring countries, or the drug cartels begin to infiltrate the location your in and start targeting the businesses there, or the gangs, or ...

Idea isnt to shoot already know LAM girls on the side, but to scout completely new ones in Argentina or Peru and play enough profit in with them to move next production batch to the much safer Prague again - lest there is a local crew available till then to do it in franchise way on spot locally.

[latina-girls-yes]

some usueful points raised by hyapet in their post, which reminded me of an old financial services joke (i think it dates back to the 1980s, when the CIA was running riot in central/south america and couping governments weekly)

'a western investor who fails in europe flies out business class and returns economy class.
a western investor who fails in latin-america flies out business class and retuns in the hold'

very dark humour, but which (with notable exceptions, hence why i suggest brazil) still applies to much of latin america today

Even if your business succeeds and thrives now - what happens when the next major election goes awry

a point critically relevant this month, considering the open contempt Trump's cryptobro bestie holds for the sovereignty of latin-american countries

that the cretinous sociopath Musk treats socio-economic collapse and out-of-control civil unrest in the global south so casually, yet may have the ear of the next POTUS, is yet another red flag for your collection

check out the excellent 1986 oliver stone movie 'salvador' (james woods and james belushi) if you want to see a darkly humourous but deadly serious take on what it feels like on the ground when the political shit really hits the fan in a poverty stricken latin american country

anyway, i've already said all i feel i need to say with regard to 'top down forces' that could undermine your project. the rest is yours to call it as you see it

[latina-girls-yes]

btw i notice we both commented in Bea Cherry's thread last night, and she's not the only hot new model Oscar has scouted and debuted over the past week or so (Laurinha Alice another lat-am beauty that has huge potential)

so (by way of introducing a new perspective into your thinking?) have you considered contacting Oscar with a proposition along the lines of your working with him as an investor/sponsor/backer, while he continues to take care of the scouting, shooting, technical production and distribution?

the more resources he has to scout and pay models, the more new models he will find
the more and better resources he has (better equipment, better sets, better costumes) to shoot and produce scenes, the more and better scenes he can release
and the more successful the scenes he releases, the more revenue will be generated to perpetuate this cycle

you have considerable resources to invest in your xxx passion (but - with no disrepect - you may lack key xxx production skills and local knowledge), while Oscar clearly has excellent local connections, and the tried and proven xxx production talent and practical industry experience you lack. perhaps you can work something out?

and if Oscar is not open to the idea, then maybe the team at Yummy (or Natasha and Lancelot) might be interested in your proposition?

either way, the timing could not be better. CZ and NatashaTeenFilms both having gone quiet of late, means the market is hungry for product, and therefore will be far more open than usual to considering new sources of supply

[hyapet]

These are all salable and credible points latina-girls-yes and dap_addict.

We're both approaching this from different angles. Neither is "right" and neither is "wrong."

What I'm going to do is list the "issues" (lacking a better term) of shooting in South America. I'm just going to be 100% real with it. And this has nothing to do with the countries themselves this time - but rather the talent. This isn't going to be a critique on the girls themselves - but, rather, an acknowledgement of the how the market looks at them.

The easiest way to see which "trends" (re: consumer interests) are at is to see what both Google, Xvideos, and all the pirate sites give you when you type in the criteria "bbc dap" or "teen dap." The South American girls barely appear on those searches. Instead - you will get all the hottest Russian girls that Giorgio shot - a few Americans that dipped into that portion of the market - then the uglier girls that Giorgio shot - and then after all of that, Daniela Ortiz begins to show up. But girl's like the Hayek twins, Ruby Walker, Jenny Pretinha, they ... don't show up hardly at all.

When you go to the best free-stream sites - those girl's (you know - the ones that you're basing the entire enterprise around) get roughly 5,000 to 9,000 views for DAP breaking. This is a HD product that's for free.

There are a majority of problems inherent with the South American girls (to -NO- fault of their own). They are:

The shininess of their skin. The more tanned the look - the more plastic the look - the glossier the look - the more it's associated with this artificially thin, hyper-sexualized, not-pretty aesthetic that affects roughly 90% of all South American talent.

The hyper-sexuality really hurts the final product. Watching a DAP-breaking - the whole fucking point of it - is that it isn't supposed to be fucking easy for the girl. All of these Latina - even the smallest fucking ones - shove two gigantic pipes up their rear like it's nothing - and then usually have a giggle. That isn't hot. That's watching someone perform a pre-trained routine. The entire emotionality of the scene is gone. Gone is the struggle. Gone is the "cute girl being taken advantage of and wrecked."

It's like watching a boxer enter the ring - move around confidently - and then knock out his opponent with a few well placed jabs, hooks, and an uppercut. It's ... boring. What isn't boring? A movie like "Rocky" - where the fighter is on the absolute fucking ropes, doing everything he can to just stay in it, but fuck is it tough. That's why the Nikki Hill scenes are amongst the most legendary BBC DAP, if not the absolute peak of all time DAP shot porn. She absolutely struggles throughout the whole thing. It looks like she's getting fucking wrecked. It looks like she's actually getting fucked. Which ... is kinda important.

Finally - the ease in which they perform the acts. It feels more like, "Ah, I'm swinging by the studio today to do a DAP, and then me and some friends are going to go for coffee later." This is kind of the same as my last point - but the last point had to do with the fucking - this point has to do with the fact that from the minute these girl's show up, it looks and feels like they've done way harder and way worse stuff out in the real world. It's like watching somebody perform their twenty-fifth stop on the tour, rather than performing their break out concert. This isn't necessarily like this across the board with all models - it certainly isn't - but ...

It happens with enough of them that the overwhelming "image" that people have in their minds when they think of South American talent is a tanned, plastic, sexually over-promiscuous, somewhat ugly girl who's ready and willing to do anything because nothing's really a big deal for her. In short - a fucking turn off. Which! Explains the low piracy numbers. Which is always the barometer where things should be seen for what they really are (what actually holds people's interest).

I say this not because all Latina girls are like this - but because enough of them are that that's the broad stroke that gets applied to the stereotype brush that everyone is holding. If anybody has been turning this around - it's been Natasha Teen and the other Pornbox studios. It's too bad that the main website itself is known as a leaf gutter for all the (better left) unknown amateur productions and absolutely gross-out porn-styles out there. If the main site had left a lot of the puking and piss at the door and just focused on DAP - a more narrowly focused approach - then Natasha Teen and the South American studios (and their talent) would be getting a lot more attention.

If not because their scenes wouldn't get wiped off the front page within 24 hours of release - but then because their material wouldn't get packaged and obfuscated with all gross-out and amateur pork that gets barreled into every day's release list.

So that means all of these South American talents are being left relatively undiscovered. That may seem like the perfect opportunity to jump in and take advantage of it, but ...

I look at it from another angle. I would argue ... a smarter one.

Following the current trend is like playing catch-up to where things currently are. Is that what wise Generals do on the battlefield? Play catch up? Or ... do they see where things are going to be in the near future/future - and plan accordingly to that ?

Playing to the South American studios because you believe them to be strong is somewhat of a folly. Not because their production is bad - not because they don't know what they're doing - but because the only reason why people want the product is because they can't get what they actually want. Really, and I mean really risky putting your eggs in that basket. Why?

Because the minute the people can access what they actually want - is the minute you get driven to the edge of complete irrelevance.

Let's not forget what everybody really wants. The creamy soft porcelain white purely innocent teen flesh. The highest selling of all commodities in the porn market. Which - because of the dearth in the hardcore market due to the OF boom - everybody is honestly thirsting and hungering for.

Circumstances exist in the market right now the prevent everyone from getting what they actually want.

Wouldn't it make sense then to ... give them that ?

To be the force that up-ends the old way of doing things - and capitalize on the absolute vacuum that is people's most desired content?

Someone somewhere on this forum postulated that more people actually like vanilla content and that's the reason why OF is doing as well as it. I think that's a poor assessment. I think the reason OF is doing as well as it is is because all the talent who used to give people what they really wanted effectively unionized - and replaced what was a beloved product with a cheap knock-off brand.

I believe that the minute somebody finds a way to give everyone what they actually want - they have a decent shot to grabbing the very reigns of porn creation out there. Yet - to give people what they actually want isn't to just give them what they already got before. It's to evolve and synchronize everything they never even knew they wanted into a single spot - and then take it to absolutely the next level. To become the new mountain peak.

Easy enough to say - but - with a bit of clever maneuvering (especially in porn) - entirely possible.

I'll tell you what I've done ...

I've kept note (out of thousands of scenes) that I've watched the magical moments when "something truly special" happens - and then dived into the psychology of what made those moments resonant so well. Their authenticity - their genuine rising of passion and lust - like a devil's forge deep from within - the moments where you completely forget about everything else and your entire body is consumed with the product you're watching.

Small clues left everywhere - till I created an equation that could create this sensation thoroughly - and I crafted a script (yet to be put to paper) that essentially ... will become the new meta for porn productions everywhere. It will take porn to a level it's never been before. As much to do with the psychology as with the performances - which will extend themselves beyond "traditional porn," yet still be completely accomplishable by people (preferably vets) in the industry.

I mentioned this to Giorgio in his thread a while back - but he was quitting the business - so ... makes sense he didn't take me up on it.

Still - if you want something truly special - I can (and will) deliver it.

The third post in this thing will explain the method through which I would construct this "new scene" (acquisition and payment of talent - how to woo them onto the project - who I would have in mind) - and then from there expand it in an un-guessable new direction which would ensure the long-term success of the studio and operation itself.

I'll send you the script then if you're interested. But I would need to know you're actually interested in doing it. I would need to see some kind of "commitment" to the idea. I'm not just sending this baby out to either gather dust or, worse off, fall into the wrong hands, which would then do a version of it that didn't have the authentic merit and commitment to artistry that it deserves.

Not that you would do such a thing - but, still - I've learned that safety is better than sorry in the past.

Catch you in the next one.

[hyapet]

Part III

Alright - now to the meat and veg of it all.

I've been thinking long and hard (lol) about how to convey a good pitch to "try something different" while making it somewhat obvious that it's "the smartest thing you can do."

Here we go.

You know what the problem is with the porn market at the moment? It's the same problem that exists with all media. Overabundance and oversaturation. To put this into context, dap_addict, you're looking to enter a market that, as a whole, probably has close to a billion hours of accessible footage available online for people to peruse, steal, and consume. And that's where the biggest problem comes in with your plan.

It amounts to the really "straight-forward shooting of porn." Get a camera - get an actress (unknown) - and shoot a porno with a basic environment and set-up.

Will the girl honestly be a mind-blowing knock out? Most likely not - right? Let's be honest. She'll be "fine" for the job - but, in all likelihood - you aren't getting girls that look like the Hayek twins to come shoot for yourself. Okay - is what it is - but then ...

Outside of the small arsenal of folks who both dig and pay for your type of content, which most likely will not be that many seeing as they already have their appetites more than satisfied here, what's the real point of this exercise?

To shoot ten scenes, try to gather a small profit, and then keep shooting more or less the same porn?

Now - I'm going to break away from this a bit - and go back to the theme of oversaturation. Do you know what's become increasingly tiring? Seeing a girl get introduced by standing in a room - she underdresses a bit (or plays around with a theme for a bit - which was a brilliant NRX innovation - but that can only remain fresh for so long) - and then goes to cock town. And the whole thing ... it just becomes so ... done. You know? How many times have we watched this exact same fucking scene over and over again? It's like - just taping a different girl's face to the scene would get the same amount of investment from me.

And that's the key word there - investment.

Pornography is art. You know that poster here who always puts up a picture of a 1960's soap commercial with a hot girl leaning over or some shit and is like, "That's the essence of porn!" Like - he takes it to an extreme - but, in many ways, he's right.

The "double anal porn shoot" as it exists at the moment - does it's utmost to leave the imagination completely starved. There's as much as effort to originality in it as somebody that's going to the gym to perform the same routine they've done for the past two years. It's muscle memory at this point. You look at the girl for like ten seconds - try to figure out if it's worth watching it, and then usually move on. The reason being - the girl herself isn't insanely hot enough to overcome the boredom and justify watching the exact same fucking scene you've already seen ten thousand times before.

The Japanese go way too far in the other fucking direction. They have an interview with the girl that lasts twenty-five minutes. Give me a fucking break. Sometimes, it's not until the 35 minute mark that the boobie makes it's first appearance. Other times - there's this gigantic fucking family dynamic that's played out with a gigantic fucking full-length movie script which all culminates into the lamest sex scene you could ever imagine. Usually, 999 times out of a 1,000 - it just doesn't fucking work. But ... but ...

That 1 out of a 1,000 makes the trying everyone does absolutely worth it.

So - okay - what's my plan?

I've collected enough of these really random scenes - and I've come up with something completely unique and new. Not only that - it incorporates a story quickly - but lets the main dialogue be action and not words. None of this explaining shit. None of this having a big talk. Just action. As few words as possible - as quickly as possible - with the stakes being increased tremendously with every word and every passing second.

It doesn't waste it's time fucking around. The best porn scenes do their set up in fifteen seconds. But, they explain a lot with everything from the environment to the camera angle. Remember - every second counts.

The mental tension you should be feeling build up - searching for a release - which should coincide with and fuel the physical tension of the scene - and culminate in a great release.

Ah - okay - so ... what next?

Instead of planning on shooting ten videos of mid-level quality and looking to get a studio going with consistency - which will net middling sales and, well, eventually be successful - do something worth doing. Don't go out there to just add a "plus one" to the already gigantic pile. Go out there and add an "this is the only one" to a bloated market that is thirsting to have someone come and do something bigger, better, and, most importantly, different.

Have that girl in the soap commercial's guy be screaming your name as if you are savior of porn.

Here's how I would go about it. Invest all the money into a single scene.

Get in contact with Baby Kxtten (supposedly in retirement). Ask her what she would want in order to perform a BBC TAP. Go find four of the hungest, biggest black studs you can. But, more importantly, ones who have presence. Not just some dude who shows up with his dick hard. The more well known they are - the better. But someone who can put forth an emotional performance that doesn't necessarily reek of "this is a porn performance." You'll need three cameras. Preferably good ones - but they don't have to be the highest of quality. Enough to shoot like 2k will be fine.

The importance of doing it like this is that it'll be Baby Kxtten and the well-known hung studs advertising the scene on social media. That'll get a buzz going already. Then, create both a company and a website, and allow that to be the official place where people can go buy the scene. Here's the thing, though ...

What will really determine if this is a success or not - and if you find enormous financial success with it - is if it becomes viral in the porn world. If everybody's stealing, streaming, and talking about this thing - as they damn well should be - it'll become a new benchmark in porn. Then everybody knows who you fucking are. At that point - and this is the brilliance of the set-up ...

When you've got a hot brand name - you can go and start recruiting really gorgeous OF girls who would've traditionally never touched hardcore porn - but to be part of such a studio would be an opportunity - would it not? You would, to smooth over the transition, make them get a percentage of every video that's sold. You have the brand to back it up - right? Seeing as there's the possibility of a gigantic pay-day there - not just in terms of a drip feed of money always coming in in the future - but of an explosion of popularity (people will know they are then - which OF is notoriously horrible at).

This way - the DAP market gets reinvigorated with quality productions - an actual step forward in porn - you become the owner of pretty much the hottest brand on the market - and you can reinvent the "approach" to porn in an of itself.

Have the girl's who sign up go through a five-scene contract. DP - DVP - DAP - TVP - TAP. All with BBC. With each scene giving them an increasingly higher percentage of the overall pot. Whilst also not releasing a single scene until all 5 have been shot.

Get outside investment. People will be willing to pay for something which has everyone's eyes. When everyone knows your brand - you need no introduction. You don't need a pitch. Just be like, "Give me money and we'll make more of these," and people will be like, "Fuck yes!"

I've got a lot of scripts written in this new style. I'll get you started at the very least.

The thing we have to do is make sure that the script matches the personality type of the girl. That's the key. Baby Kxtten will be the exception - but we would explain what's required of her in the shoot - and explain what we're trying to do with it and why following the instructions will create a more genuine sensation of what she typically tries to achieve in her shoots than her normal routine would.

But with Baby Kxtten and the hung studs - the draw (outside of the huge pay day compared to traditional porn shoots) would be on the ground floor of a new type of porn - something of a higher quality. To be able to be in episode fucking one is an honor. Typically pitches like that don't work - but this is porn - they've been in more scenes than they can count where it's all "been there - done that."

I know this is your money - but if you say, "$20,000?" to Baby Kxtten - I doubt she'll say no. You can start lower, of course. But, if you pay like an insane amount, you'll get a pro that both hasn't had that ladder rung broken, but who is notoriously capable of doing it, alongside extremely well known within the industry itself.

The script will be something fucking else. This will definitely take it to the next fucking level in terms of what porn is capable of. There are so many innovations in this thing - it's not even funny. But, it doesn't waste time, there's hardly any dialogue, it just sets the perfect emotional weight into the scene for the scene itself to be absolutely tremendous. And then keeps building on it throughout.

A pure master work of porn.

I dunno - some folks don't think "big." Big opportunities - big visions - but, also, big risks.

The question ultimately would be - what would you really be more comfortable or inspired doing? Creating a batch of mid-tier beginner porn in a foreign country. Or creating one masterwork that will be watched still in a couple decades from now - and gives you the chance of creating an empire exactly where you are located right now.

It's definitely a proposition. Think about it. But let me know - if you're interested - we'll start setting up the beginning steps - and then we'll discuss the scene itself. There are certain things which are obviously perfect - but there are others in which your vision and your ideas would have a chance to enter as well. Not everything in the scene is set 100% in stone. Just the most essential parts.

I dunno - would something like this tickle your fancy?

Let me know.

[isis666xxx]

These are all salable and credible points latina-girls-yes and dap_addict.

We're both approaching this from different angles. Neither is "right" and neither is "wrong."

What I'm going to do is list the "issues" (lacking a better term) of shooting in South America. I'm just going to be 100% real with it. And this has nothing to do with the countries themselves this time - but rather the talent. This isn't going to be a critique on the girls themselves - but, rather, an acknowledgement of the how the market looks at them.

The easiest way to see which "trends" (re: consumer interests) are at is to see what both Google, Xvideos, and all the pirate sites give you when you type in the criteria "bbc dap" or "teen dap." The South American girls barely appear on those searches. Instead - you will get all the hottest Russian girls that Giorgio shot - a few Americans that dipped into that portion of the market - then the uglier girls that Giorgio shot - and then after all of that, Daniela Ortiz begins to show up. But girl's like the Hayek twins, Ruby Walker, Jenny Pretinha, they ... don't show up hardly at all.

When you go to the best free-stream sites - those girl's (you know - the ones that you're basing the entire enterprise around) get roughly 5,000 to 9,000 views for DAP breaking. This is a HD product that's for free.

There are a majority of problems inherent with the South American girls (to -NO- fault of their own). They are:

The shininess of their skin. The more tanned the look - the more plastic the look - the glossier the look - the more it's associated with this artificially thin, hyper-sexualized, not-pretty aesthetic that affects roughly 90% of all South American talent.

The hyper-sexuality really hurts the final product. Watching a DAP-breaking - the whole fucking point of it - is that it isn't supposed to be fucking easy for the girl. All of these Latina - even the smallest fucking ones - shove two gigantic pipes up their rear like it's nothing - and then usually have a giggle. That isn't hot. That's watching someone perform a pre-trained routine. The entire emotionality of the scene is gone. Gone is the struggle. Gone is the "cute girl being taken advantage of and wrecked."

It's like watching a boxer enter the ring - move around confidently - and then knock out his opponent with a few well placed jabs, hooks, and an uppercut. It's ... boring. What isn't boring? A movie like "Rocky" - where the fighter is on the absolute fucking ropes, doing everything he can to just stay in it, but fuck is it tough. That's why the Nikki Hill scenes are amongst the most legendary BBC DAP, if not the absolute peak of all time DAP shot porn. She absolutely struggles throughout the whole thing. It looks like she's getting fucking wrecked. It looks like she's actually getting fucked. Which ... is kinda important.

Finally - the ease in which they perform the acts. It feels more like, "Ah, I'm swinging by the studio today to do a DAP, and then me and some friends are going to go for coffee later." This is kind of the same as my last point - but the last point had to do with the fucking - this point has to do with the fact that from the minute these girl's show up, it looks and feels like they've done way harder and way worse stuff out in the real world. It's like watching somebody perform their twenty-fifth stop on the tour, rather than performing their break out concert. This isn't necessarily like this across the board with all models - it certainly isn't - but ...

It happens with enough of them that the overwhelming "image" that people have in their minds when they think of South American talent is a tanned, plastic, sexually over-promiscuous, somewhat ugly girl who's ready and willing to do anything because nothing's really a big deal for her. In short - a fucking turn off. Which! Explains the low piracy numbers. Which is always the barometer where things should be seen for what they really are (what actually holds people's interest).

I say this not because all Latina girls are like this - but because enough of them are that that's the broad stroke that gets applied to the stereotype brush that everyone is holding. If anybody has been turning this around - it's been Natasha Teen and the other Pornbox studios. It's too bad that the main website itself is known as a leaf gutter for all the (better left) unknown amateur productions and absolutely gross-out porn-styles out there. If the main site had left a lot of the puking and piss at the door and just focused on DAP - a more narrowly focused approach - then Natasha Teen and the South American studios (and their talent) would be getting a lot more attention.

If not because their scenes wouldn't get wiped off the front page within 24 hours of release - but then because their material wouldn't get packaged and obfuscated with all gross-out and amateur pork that gets barreled into every day's release list.

So that means all of these South American talents are being left relatively undiscovered. That may seem like the perfect opportunity to jump in and take advantage of it, but ...

I look at it from another angle. I would argue ... a smarter one.

Following the current trend is like playing catch-up to where things currently are. Is that what wise Generals do on the battlefield? Play catch up? Or ... do they see where things are going to be in the near future/future - and plan accordingly to that ?

Playing to the South American studios because you believe them to be strong is somewhat of a folly. Not because their production is bad - not because they don't know what they're doing - but because the only reason why people want the product is because they can't get what they actually want. Really, and I mean really risky putting your eggs in that basket. Why?

Because the minute the people can access what they actually want - is the minute you get driven to the edge of complete irrelevance.

Let's not forget what everybody really wants. The creamy soft porcelain white purely innocent teen flesh. The highest selling of all commodities in the porn market. Which - because of the dearth in the hardcore market due to the OF boom - everybody is honestly thirsting and hungering for.

Circumstances exist in the market right now the prevent everyone from getting what they actually want.

Wouldn't it make sense then to ... give them that ?

To be the force that up-ends the old way of doing things - and capitalize on the absolute vacuum that is people's most desired content?

Someone somewhere on this forum postulated that more people actually like vanilla content and that's the reason why OF is doing as well as it. I think that's a poor assessment. I think the reason OF is doing as well as it is is because all the talent who used to give people what they really wanted effectively unionized - and replaced what was a beloved product with a cheap knock-off brand.

I believe that the minute somebody finds a way to give everyone what they actually want - they have a decent shot to grabbing the very reigns of porn creation out there. Yet - to give people what they actually want isn't to just give them what they already got before. It's to evolve and synchronize everything they never even knew they wanted into a single spot - and then take it to absolutely the next level. To become the new mountain peak.

Easy enough to say - but - with a bit of clever maneuvering (especially in porn) - entirely possible.

I'll tell you what I've done ...

I've kept note (out of thousands of scenes) that I've watched the magical moments when "something truly special" happens - and then dived into the psychology of what made those moments resonant so well. Their authenticity - their genuine rising of passion and lust - like a devil's forge deep from within - the moments where you completely forget about everything else and your entire body is consumed with the product you're watching.

Small clues left everywhere - till I created an equation that could create this sensation thoroughly - and I crafted a script (yet to be put to paper) that essentially ... will become the new meta for porn productions everywhere. It will take porn to a level it's never been before. As much to do with the psychology as with the performances - which will extend themselves beyond "traditional porn," yet still be completely accomplishable by people (preferably vets) in the industry.

I mentioned this to Giorgio in his thread a while back - but he was quitting the business - so ... makes sense he didn't take me up on it.

Still - if you want something truly special - I can (and will) deliver it.

The third post in this thing will explain the method through which I would construct this "new scene" (acquisition and payment of talent - how to woo them onto the project - who I would have in mind) - and then from there expand it in an un-guessable new direction which would ensure the long-term success of the studio and operation itself.

I'll send you the script then if you're interested. But I would need to know you're actually interested in doing it. I would need to see some kind of "commitment" to the idea. I'm not just sending this baby out to either gather dust or, worse off, fall into the wrong hands, which would then do a version of it that didn't have the authentic merit and commitment to artistry that it deserves.

Not that you would do such a thing - but, still - I've learned that safety is better than sorry in the past.

Catch you in the next one.

Part III

Alright - now to the meat and veg of it all.

I've been thinking long and hard (lol) about how to convey a good pitch to "try something different" while making it somewhat obvious that it's "the smartest thing you can do."

Here we go.

You know what the problem is with the porn market at the moment? It's the same problem that exists with all media. Overabundance and oversaturation. To put this into context, dap_addict, you're looking to enter a market that, as a whole, probably has close to a billion hours of accessible footage available online for people to peruse, steal, and consume. And that's where the biggest problem comes in with your plan.

It amounts to the really "straight-forward shooting of porn." Get a camera - get an actress (unknown) - and shoot a porno with a basic environment and set-up.

Will the girl honestly be a mind-blowing knock out? Most likely not - right? Let's be honest. She'll be "fine" for the job - but, in all likelihood - you aren't getting girls that look like the Hayek twins to come shoot for yourself. Okay - is what it is - but then ...

Outside of the small arsenal of folks who both dig and pay for your type of content, which most likely will not be that many seeing as they already have their appetites more than satisfied here, what's the real point of this exercise?

To shoot ten scenes, try to gather a small profit, and then keep shooting more or less the same porn?

Now - I'm going to break away from this a bit - and go back to the theme of oversaturation. Do you know what's become increasingly tiring? Seeing a girl get introduced by standing in a room - she underdresses a bit (or plays around with a theme for a bit - which was a brilliant NRX innovation - but that can only remain fresh for so long) - and then goes to cock town. And the whole thing ... it just becomes so ... done. You know? How many times have we watched this exact same fucking scene over and over again? It's like - just taping a different girl's face to the scene would get the same amount of investment from me.

And that's the key word there - investment.

Pornography is art. You know that poster here who always puts up a picture of a 1960's soap commercial with a hot girl leaning over or some shit and is like, "That's the essence of porn!" Like - he takes it to an extreme - but, in many ways, he's right.

The "double anal porn shoot" as it exists at the moment - does it's utmost to leave the imagination completely starved. There's as much as effort to originality in it as somebody that's going to the gym to perform the same routine they've done for the past two years. It's muscle memory at this point. You look at the girl for like ten seconds - try to figure out if it's worth watching it, and then usually move on. The reason being - the girl herself isn't insanely hot enough to overcome the boredom and justify watching the exact same fucking scene you've already seen ten thousand times before.

The Japanese go way too far in the other fucking direction. They have an interview with the girl that lasts twenty-five minutes. Give me a fucking break. Sometimes, it's not until the 35 minute mark that the boobie makes it's first appearance. Other times - there's this gigantic fucking family dynamic that's played out with a gigantic fucking full-length movie script which all culminates into the lamest sex scene you could ever imagine. Usually, 999 times out of a 1,000 - it just doesn't fucking work. But ... but ...

That 1 out of a 1,000 makes the trying everyone does absolutely worth it.

So - okay - what's my plan?

I've collected enough of these really random scenes - and I've come up with something completely unique and new. Not only that - it incorporates a story quickly - but lets the main dialogue be action and not words. None of this explaining shit. None of this having a big talk. Just action. As few words as possible - as quickly as possible - with the stakes being increased tremendously with every word and every passing second.

It doesn't waste it's time fucking around. The best porn scenes do their set up in fifteen seconds. But, they explain a lot with everything from the environment to the camera angle. Remember - every second counts.

The mental tension you should be feeling build up - searching for a release - which should coincide with and fuel the physical tension of the scene - and culminate in a great release.

Ah - okay - so ... what next?

Instead of planning on shooting ten videos of mid-level quality and looking to get a studio going with consistency - which will net middling sales and, well, eventually be successful - do something worth doing. Don't go out there to just add a "plus one" to the already gigantic pile. Go out there and add an "this is the only one" to a bloated market that is thirsting to have someone come and do something bigger, better, and, most importantly, different.

Have that girl in the soap commercial's guy be screaming your name as if you are savior of porn.

Here's how I would go about it. Invest all the money into a single scene.

Get in contact with Baby Kxtten (supposedly in retirement). Ask her what she would want in order to perform a BBC TAP. Go find four of the hungest, biggest black studs you can. But, more importantly, ones who have presence. Not just some dude who shows up with his dick hard. The more well known they are - the better. But someone who can put forth an emotional performance that doesn't necessarily reek of "this is a porn performance." You'll need three cameras. Preferably good ones - but they don't have to be the highest of quality. Enough to shoot like 2k will be fine.

The importance of doing it like this is that it'll be Baby Kxtten and the well-known hung studs advertising the scene on social media. That'll get a buzz going already. Then, create both a company and a website, and allow that to be the official place where people can go buy the scene. Here's the thing, though ...

What will really determine if this is a success or not - and if you find enormous financial success with it - is if it becomes viral in the porn world. If everybody's stealing, streaming, and talking about this thing - as they damn well should be - it'll become a new benchmark in porn. Then everybody knows who you fucking are. At that point - and this is the brilliance of the set-up ...

When you've got a hot brand name - you can go and start recruiting really gorgeous OF girls who would've traditionally never touched hardcore porn - but to be part of such a studio would be an opportunity - would it not? You would, to smooth over the transition, make them get a percentage of every video that's sold. You have the brand to back it up - right? Seeing as there's the possibility of a gigantic pay-day there - not just in terms of a drip feed of money always coming in in the future - but of an explosion of popularity (people will know they are then - which OF is notoriously horrible at).

This way - the DAP market gets reinvigorated with quality productions - an actual step forward in porn - you become the owner of pretty much the hottest brand on the market - and you can reinvent the "approach" to porn in an of itself.

Have the girl's who sign up go through a five-scene contract. DP - DVP - DAP - TVP - TAP. All with BBC. With each scene giving them an increasingly higher percentage of the overall pot. Whilst also not releasing a single scene until all 5 have been shot.

Get outside investment. People will be willing to pay for something which has everyone's eyes. When everyone knows your brand - you need no introduction. You don't need a pitch. Just be like, "Give me money and we'll make more of these," and people will be like, "Fuck yes!"

I've got a lot of scripts written in this new style. I'll get you started at the very least.

The thing we have to do is make sure that the script matches the personality type of the girl. That's the key. Baby Kxtten will be the exception - but we would explain what's required of her in the shoot - and explain what we're trying to do with it and why following the instructions will create a more genuine sensation of what she typically tries to achieve in her shoots than her normal routine would.

But with Baby Kxtten and the hung studs - the draw (outside of the huge pay day compared to traditional porn shoots) would be on the ground floor of a new type of porn - something of a higher quality. To be able to be in episode fucking one is an honor. Typically pitches like that don't work - but this is porn - they've been in more scenes than they can count where it's all "been there - done that."

I know this is your money - but if you say, "$20,000?" to Baby Kxtten - I doubt she'll say no. You can start lower, of course. But, if you pay like an insane amount, you'll get a pro that both hasn't had that ladder rung broken, but who is notoriously capable of doing it, alongside extremely well known within the industry itself.

The script will be something fucking else. This will definitely take it to the next fucking level in terms of what porn is capable of. There are so many innovations in this thing - it's not even funny. But, it doesn't waste time, there's hardly any dialogue, it just sets the perfect emotional weight into the scene for the scene itself to be absolutely tremendous. And then keeps building on it throughout.

A pure master work of porn.

I dunno - some folks don't think "big." Big opportunities - big visions - but, also, big risks.

The question ultimately would be - what would you really be more comfortable or inspired doing? Creating a batch of mid-tier beginner porn in a foreign country. Or creating one masterwork that will be watched still in a couple decades from now - and gives you the chance of creating an empire exactly where you are located right now.

It's definitely a proposition. Think about it. But let me know - if you're interested - we'll start setting up the beginning steps - and then we'll discuss the scene itself. There are certain things which are obviously perfect - but there are others in which your vision and your ideas would have a chance to enter as well. Not everything in the scene is set 100% in stone. Just the most essential parts.

I dunno - would something like this tickle your fancy?

Let me know.

do you really expect that most people are going to read all that????

most people are not going to read your texts i think