POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

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Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Poll ended at Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:41 pm

As early as possible to girls 18th birthday and not older than 18 1/3 y.o.
7
12%
real teens (18/19 y.o.)
10
17%
20/21
3
5%
22-25
7
12%
26-28
3
5%
29-33
0
No votes
Age of my fave porn actresses doesn't matter and/or I cant decide which age group I enjoy most.
19
32%
MILF 34-45
10
17%
MILF 45-59
1
2%
over 60 yo.
0
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POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby dap-addict » Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:41 pm

Looking at the biggest LP actresses poll of all times so far since forum exists (viewtopic.php?f=96&t=61744&start=80) average age of TOP20 ranking girls seems to be around 29yo.

Now, if you could choose only 1 age group, which age would your prefer?


Btw, just edited poll and added an n/a option. However, still not sure if I'd not better delete it since I want fans to decide what age is best for them.
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Postby dap-addict » Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:42 pm

I actually happen to vote for 10 years older than 10 years ago I think. ;)
Didnt vote yet, though. It's a serious consideration!
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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby YuriyProneBone » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:26 pm

Women generally hit their prime at age 20, but they keep it up at age 25. I now in some places 16 is illegal, and when you have sex with someone that young is a complete different experience because the skin around the vagina and the ass is super smooth it feels like something completely out of this world, but if you look at those girls closely overall as the big picture of how they look like, some of their facial and physical features are still not 100% were they could be, but for some reason once they hit age 20 you simply tell they look their best and they can keep this until they hit 25.

That said, if the girl is athletic, which not all girls are, they can look spectacular and mesmerizing from age 26 to 35, some can even argue this is when they can achieve their most elegant look. Then after 36 they start going downhill, but very slowly. So if a girl was a smoke show at age 35, she can keep up the incredible looks with diet and exercise, and staying away from the sun until she may be 49.

However nowadays with all the beauty treatments available, the cold showers, the fasting, the incredible exercise routines they have, the tailored to each individual diets, the yoga, the meditation, and all the high end makeup and fashion, some women can still look stunning for sex even at 56. I would say that's the cut off.

From 57 upwards we have to face the reality that they are just old ladies at that point, and the best ones that have kept up their diet, exercise, and everything else, just end up aging gracefully. From there upwards it is more about whether someone has a weird fetish with grandmas or they simply love the person and remember them in their best days, but that's just life, nothing lasts forever.

Maybe in the future with AI and some gene technology this can have a solution, but naturally speaking there is no much that can be done, I would say the surgeries even make it worst because they just look like old ladies with surgeries, and take away the natural grace and elegance they have when they age naturally.

Biological speaking without taking aside all the treatments and such, a women is at her prime as long as she is in the years of ovulation. So that means 14 to 49, and if you like someone that is not within that rage, congratulations you officially have mental problems because you are not biological wired to like that sexually.

Mentally I would say women need at least to hit 20 before you can even relate to them, before that I feel is a lot harder to feel attraction just because they haven't mature enough for you to even fall in love with their personality and their natural charisma. There are some exception were some women mature faster, but it is very rare. Even though women are years ahead of men when it comes to social maturity, if you are an adult man already, it is hard to relate mentally to any girl that is still a teenager.

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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby YuriyProneBone » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:29 pm

But for porn that doesn't need to happen, so that's why they probably chose something in the middle for the cut off, the sexual growing starts at 16, and gets fulfilled at 20, so they went with 18 to compromise. I feel that's a good cut off because you still get that youthful look and you are already close enough to hit that prime.

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Postby plajvaz » Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:12 pm

MILF 34-45

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Postby Chimpy.677 » Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:44 pm

I ALWAYS prefer 18-year-old girls, better if they are newly turned and doing their first anal or DP. It is literally the most coveted thing in porn.
I can't understand people who prefer women over 20/21 years old, after that age many begin to lose their youthful glow. I honestly think that all the people who prefer MILFs are idiots, because you can find a MILF anywhere at any age, but if you are already over 30 years old, for example, getting a girl of 18 or 19 years old becomes much more difficult, on the other hand, being over 30 years old it is normal to find someone of that age or older, of course all this assuming a normal relationship and no payment for sex.

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Postby misangrenegra2 » Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:22 am

Chimpy.677 wrote:I ALWAYS prefer 18-year-old girls, better if they are newly turned and doing their first anal or DP. It is literally the most coveted thing in porn.
I can't understand people who prefer women over 20/21 years old, after that age many begin to lose their youthful glow. I honestly think that all the people who prefer MILFs are idiots, because you can find a MILF anywhere at any age, but if you are already over 30 years old, for example, getting a girl of 18 or 19 years old becomes much more difficult, on the other hand, being over 30 years old it is normal to find someone of that age or older, of course all this assuming a normal relationship and no payment for sex.



Each one have their own tastes, i don't care too much the range of age, is hard to choice when i enjoy watching different girls without taking to much attention to their age but in my case i'm not to much interested into girl between 18-21, don't get my wrong, they are hot and sexy and i understand the appeal and popularity that girls in that range of age for the porn users but for me they are, in general, more inexperience and their performance and abilities are not the best, is normal because of their age and need more and more experience for improve, but that is what the age provides.

The russian studios here provides a lot of young women between that age range, i checked several times some of their trailers and, if we skip their beauty, the performance can be improved more and is not at the level of other pornstars with more age.
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Postby YuriyProneBone » Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:54 pm

misangrenegra2 wrote:
Each one have their own tastes, i don't care too much the range of age, is hard to choice when i enjoy watching different girls without taking to much attention to their age but in my case i'm not to much interested into girl between 18-21, don't get my wrong, they are hot and sexy and i understand the appeal and popularity that girls in that range of age for the porn users but for me they are, in general, more inexperience and their performance and abilities are not the best, is normal because of their age and need more and more experience for improve, but that is what the age provides.

The russian studios here provides a lot of young women between that age range, i checked several times some of their trailers and, if we skip their beauty, the performance can be improved more and is not at the level of other pornstars with more age.


Not true, that's definitely a generalization. There are many Russian and Colombian teens that are by far better performers than some older girls that just do tip fucking, on the same boring positions. If anything some older girls are harder to manneuver because they can be too careful and have too many boundaries.

There are both, young girls that perform better, and older girls that perform better.

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Postby misangrenegra2 » Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:01 pm

YuriyProneBone wrote:
misangrenegra2 wrote:
Each one have their own tastes, i don't care too much the range of age, is hard to choice when i enjoy watching different girls without taking to much attention to their age but in my case i'm not to much interested into girl between 18-21, don't get my wrong, they are hot and sexy and i understand the appeal and popularity that girls in that range of age for the porn users but for me they are, in general, more inexperience and their performance and abilities are not the best, is normal because of their age and need more and more experience for improve, but that is what the age provides.

The russian studios here provides a lot of young women between that age range, i checked several times some of their trailers and, if we skip their beauty, the performance can be improved more and is not at the level of other pornstars with more age.


Not true, that's definitely a generalization. There are many Russian and Colombian teens that are by far better performers than some older girls that just do tip fucking, on the same boring positions. If anything some older girls are harder to manneuver because they can be too careful and have too many boundaries.

There are both, young girls that perform better, and older girls that perform better.


Well, is a generalization but is what i see and what i thought, mainly in the russian studios with some girls that are quite popular and i don't see that they have better performance than a lot of older girls, i observe better attitude and performance in the latin studios. I said a lot of times that the popularity is not linked only to have great skills, also the beauty has a big impact in the costumers. Here you can take a look of how in this forum a lot of users voted a top 100 of pornstars of the site, of course didn't participate the whole costumers of the site but you can appreciate how in there aren't too much girls between 18-21.
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Postby dap-addict » Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:17 pm

YuriyProneBone wrote:Women generally hit their prime at age 20, but they keep it up at age 25. (...)
Mentally I would say women need at least to hit 20 before you can even relate to them, before that I feel is a lot harder to feel attraction just because they haven't mature enough for you to even fall in love with their personality and their natural charisma. (...)
But for porn that doesn't need to happen, so that's why they probably chose something in the middle for the cut off, the sexual growing starts at 16, and gets fulfilled at 20, so they went with 18 to compromise. I feel that's a good cut off because you still get that youthful look and you are already close enough to hit that prime.

Who is they?
Are you talking of the legal sex age or legal porn age?
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In that poll it's strange that we still dont have any single vote for the winning TOP20 age group of that OP mentioned poll.
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Postby Iddaoeeok » Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:05 pm

dap-addict wrote:Looking at the biggest LP actresses poll of all times so far since forum exists (viewtopic.php?f=96&t=61744&start=80) average age of TOP20 ranking girls seems to be around 29yo.


Is that average based on their age now or the age they were when they last performed on LP/AV? The latter would be a more accurate guide. Also, it seems highly unlikely that an 18-19 year old could perform enough scenes on LP to reach a Top 20. I voted " I cant decide which age group I enjoy most" out the options listed because my real preference is something like 21-30!

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Postby dap-addict » Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:45 pm

Average is based on their last scenes for LP not the present age of retired models ofc, but it's more than a mathematical average, rather a tendency. But you are right about newbies not qualifying for that poll because of too little LP scenes yes. I completely forgot about that.

In your case, how about voting for 20-25yo or for 26-29yo? Just decide based on your personal TOP20.
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Postby YuriyProneBone » Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:16 am

misangrenegra2 wrote:Here you can take a look of how in this forum a lot of users voted a top 100 of pornstars of the site, of course didn't participate the whole costumers of the site but you can appreciate how in there aren't too much girls between 18-21.


That's something different, in that case you are talking about long careers, and because of longer exposure alone they will rank higher, but if you compare a new girls in that range from a new girl in the teens, then the teens usually rank higher, plus many teens have better performance than some veterans, just not the prestige because they are newer. Like I said, you are just generalizing it is not black and white. Some older girls perform better and some younger girls perform better, it is both.

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Postby YuriyProneBone » Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:19 am

dap-addict wrote:Who is they?
Are you talking of the legal sex age or legal porn age?
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"They" is the global consensus for age to start porn.

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Postby Jocke » Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:29 am

Cherry Kiss is much better than she ever was. Many women matures sexually. While there are some youngsters who already have sexual appetite most of them are just used and I have no desire for that.
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Postby TomHardick » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:11 am

i don't really care about the age. My favorire star, Jolee Love is 34; and personally i prefer the way mature girls perform, girls like Syren and Elen Million; they know how to go rough and please the fans.

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Postby eurofighter » Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:14 am

For me the younger the better

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Postby hb2002 » Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:32 am

I cannot link it to a certain age group. It depends on the person.

E.g. Belle Claire, an elegant beauty (who can be very nasty!) when I saw her first time, that must have been before she turned 25. Later on i was still excited seeing her to perform. Same applies to Jolee Love who's above 30 already. Of course it might have to do with other trends, may it be tattoos, breast enhancements, actrices changing hair color, the voice and the way they can communicate in front of the camera (not all girls are that good in talking english).

Or have a look at Veronica Avluv. She started her career in porn at an age where other actrice already have retired. What a volcano she has been; to me it looked she was getting nastier the older she got. Finally it was the disaster with the one and only video she did with GIO which led to the end of her amazing career, at least at AV/LP.

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Postby dap-addict » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:26 pm

dap-addict wrote:I actually happen to vote for 10 years older than 10 years ago I think. ;)
Didnt vote yet, though. It's a serious consideration!

If I apply my around 2013 age groups to poll results so far its
12 votes for 18-21yo
8 votes for middle age group
8 votes for previous MILF group starting than at 27yo in my book (27-28 as early MILF)

Youngest age group still wins and since porn is fantasy I might really like some porn girls aged 29-33yo nowadays a lot, but still vote for that as early as possible group. :) ;)
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Postby Evil_Del » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:47 pm

I love very young ones and Milfs over 50

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Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:59 pm

Age is just a number...and a model is not defined by her age alone.

I have always felt and still believe that women reach their peak in their 30s.

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Postby trueEroskaven » Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:59 am

I don't care about age at all, i think the most important feature on a porn star is her attitude, then her visuals.

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Postby isis666xxx » Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:54 am

YuriyProneBone wrote:a women is at her prime as long as she is in the years of ovulation [...] to 49, and if you like someone that is not within that rage, congratulations you officially have mental problems because you are not biological wired to like that sexually.


so liking women 50+ years old is mentally ill???? wtf

some 50+ girls are hot

also BiOlOgIcAlLy SpEaKiNg you shouldnt like anal sex either, you cant reproduce throught anal, is illogical from the point of view of those f********* scientists talking about molecules and complex gross stuff

anal is a waste of sperm, yet is hotter than vaginal
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Postby isis666xxx » Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:07 am

YuriyProneBone wrote:and staying away from the sun


na, thats just the general propaganda of society that taking sunbath is harmfull and bad

sunbath is power, makes your mind higher, also being tanned is hotter, thats just a fact, natural dark skin is not hot, or not hotter, but tanned is hotter, even though they look similar they are not the same

also another thing that makes your skin higher is humidity, humidity hydrates your skin and makes it higher, of course society's propaganda terrorizes you about humidity too

also i think is obvious humans are designed to be in humids places, why? because dryness makes our skin feel bad and uncomfortable and humidity makes our skin feel good or very good
and i know that throught simple logic, without having to study molecules and all that complex gross shit
by my own science investigation i know dry = feels bad, humidity = feels good
as simple as that
but whatever the masses believe anything society shoves into them

'if you have dry skin use artificial creams', no, those artificial creams are unnatural & stupid, if you feel dry is because your skin is ASKING for humidity, humidity makes your skin higher

humans are equatorial jungle species designed to be barefoot and naked like the rest of animals, but you use shoes that twist and deform your toes and society is scared of even nipples
society is a fake world, those few inventing all this technology and talking about molecules mean nothing
humans are completely unadapted to reality in simple ways and have very low levels of intelligence in general, also just study history and see how stupid humans have been in the past always too

if you lived the way you are designed to be, humid + hot jungles, you would be much prettier, healthier, higher
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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby dap-addict » Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:34 pm

trueEroskaven wrote:I don't care about age at all, i think the most important feature on a porn star is her attitude, then her visuals.

I think we users have more and more to find to such a position.

This is probabely the oldest EU MILF I ever bought, 50yo at time of shooting:
Image Great attitude, but lots of pussy fucking and a very badly shot cgDAP, but its Yelena Vera's DAPbreakin scene - and video has a nice end!

This scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/81180
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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby House MD » Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:51 pm

dap-addict wrote:
trueEroskaven wrote:I don't care about age at all, i think the most important feature on a porn star is her attitude, then her visuals.

I think we users have more and more to find to such a position.

This is probabely the oldest EU MILF I ever bought, 50yo at time of shooting:
Image Great attitude, but lots of pussy fucking and a very badly shot cgDAP, but its Yelena Vera's DAPbreakin scene - and video has a nice end!

This scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/81180


Yelena Vera is one of the most gorgeous woman I've ever since my whole life
She's a gem as a woman and her rare videos are gold
There's something about milfs that make their beauty a young chick just doesn't have: it's class and style

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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby dap-addict » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:20 pm

Still 0% for age group of Rebel Rhyder, Vero Leal, Kristy Black etc!
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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:37 pm

The majority of votes go to teens, 19 or below....I can understand that. It is a special fantasy for most men...but personally I prefer MILFS 35 y.o or beyond.

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Postby Iddaoeeok » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:45 pm

xxxVIPERxxx wrote:The majority of votes go to teens, 19 or below....I can understand that. It is a special fantasy for most men...but personally I prefer MILFS 35 y.o or beyond.


What? Only 29% of the votes have gone to teens!

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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby YuriyProneBone » Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:59 am

doraemon_washington wrote:
YuriyProneBone wrote:and staying away from the sun


na, thats just the general propaganda of society that taking sunbath is harmfull and bad

sunbath is power, makes your mind higher, also being tanned is hotter, thats just a fact, natural dark skin is not hot, or not hotter, but tanned is hotter, even though they look similar they are not the same

also another thing that makes your skin higher is humidity, humidity hydrates your skin and makes it higher, of course society's propaganda terrorizes you about humidity too

also i think is obvious humans are designed to be in humids places, why? because dryness makes our skin feel bad and uncomfortable and humidity makes our skin feel good or very good
and i know that throught simple logic, without having to study molecules and all that complex gross shit
by my own science investigation i know dry = feels bad, humidity = feels good
as simple as that
but whatever the masses believe anything society shoves into them

'if you have dry skin use artificial creams', no, those artificial creams are unnatural & stupid, if you feel dry is because your skin is ASKING for humidity, humidity makes your skin higher

humans are equatorial jungle species designed to be barefoot and naked like the rest of animals, but you use shoes that twist and deform your toes and society is scared of even nipples
society is a fake world, those few inventing all this technology and talking about molecules mean nothing
humans are completely unadapted to reality in simple ways and have very low levels of intelligence in general, also just study history and see how stupid humans have been in the past always too

if you lived the way you are designed to be, humid + hot jungles, you would be much prettier, healthier, higher
society is an abomination



You need to supplement with Vitamin D, tones of it, because if not you can kill yourself without Sun from depression. But yeah, Sun ages bitches like crazy.

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Re: POLL: Which is the favorite age of your porn actresses?

Postby YuriyProneBone » Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:00 am

doraemon_washington wrote:
so liking women 50+ years old is mentally ill???? wtf

some 50+ girls are hot

also BiOlOgIcAlLy SpEaKiNg you shouldnt like anal sex either, you cant reproduce throught anal, is illogical from the point of view of those f********* scientists talking about molecules and complex gross stuff

anal is a waste of sperm, yet is hotter than vaginal


Yes, that is correct, it is a mental deviation, but no one cares, nor they should.

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Postby isis666xxx » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:51 am

YuriyProneBone wrote:You need to supplement with Vitamin D, tones of it, because if not you can kill yourself without Sun from depression. But yeah, Sun ages bitches like crazy.


ages bs, is the old propaganda that the sun damages the skin a lot

society has a lot of propaganda demonizing taking sunbath

you know what really ages and degrades the skin a lot though???
dryness

dry skin feels like shit
i think humans are designed to be in humid places, why? cuz humidity feels good & makes your skin hydrated and supreme, and dryness feels bad
i personally cant take feeling dry, seriously, feels horrible, i prefer to feel cold than to feel dry by far

taking vitamin d throught sunbath is the supreme form of taking vitamin D
btw society demonizes humidity too, of course
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Postby isis666xxx » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:01 am

a girl for example that walks barefoot in dry places and feel her soles dry (besides of feeling bad) is gonna get wrinkles on her soles

but whatever, they already use shoes that twist and deform their toes HAHAH

society is so autistic, humans basically use shoes that deform their toes
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Postby dap-addict » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:43 am

Its basically 20 - 10 - 10 - 20
20% 18-21yo - 10% middle (22-33yo) - 10% MILF - 20% age doesnt matter
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edit:
Sorry. 33% 18-21yo - 16% middle (22-33yo) - 16% MILF - 33%% age doesnt matter
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Postby YuriyProneBone » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:13 am

doraemon_washington wrote:
YuriyProneBone wrote:You need to supplement with Vitamin D, tones of it, because if not you can kill yourself without Sun from depression. But yeah, Sun ages bitches like crazy.


ages bs, is the old propaganda that the sun damages the skin a lot

society has a lot of propaganda demonizing taking sunbath

you know what really ages and degrades the skin a lot though???
dryness

dry skin feels like shit
i think humans are designed to be in humid places, why? cuz humidity feels good & makes your skin hydrated and supreme, and dryness feels bad
i personally cant take feeling dry, seriously, feels horrible, i prefer to feel cold than to feel dry by far

taking vitamin d throught sunbath is the supreme form of taking vitamin D
btw society demonizes humidity too, of course


I met a trucker that had one arm look ancient and the other one was fine, the elder arm was of course the one that received all the Sun, but yeah, Vitamin D is essential for longevity, just not for longevity of the skin. This is why most Australians have skin cancer, they are all beach people.

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Postby Alan2008 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:27 am

doraemon_washington wrote:a girl for example that walks barefoot in dry places and feel her soles dry (besides of feeling bad) is gonna get wrinkles on her soles

but whatever, they already use shoes that twist and deform their toes HAHAH

society is so autistic, humans basically use shoes that deform their toes



You are spot on DW - society is autistic because of the lack of Vitamin D.....I have no doubt. This "autism" also helps to start emotional wars on social media (for example like emotive news about the recent Israel-Gaza events). Previous issues like eating disorders and pop concert / horror movie hysteria have disguised themselves under various new "cults" in social media.

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Postby zeusanalfreak299 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:18 pm

MLIFs and Teens rule, perfect!

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