GG vs PW : Who's the Better director ?

[Baiken]

after reading this

http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre/giorgio-grandi-t9176.html

People need to express their opinions..

[avanfurwet]

Fot balance, you can also read on GG's blog about PW.

Not much love lost.

And there do seem to be some unquestioning acolytes over at the PW forum lapping up his every word.

Not sure how well his sales stack up against GG's though.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I lost 5 minutes a=of my life and I wrote one answer, not sure if it will be published or moderate, anyway have fun:

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I will make only this post, so do not even lose time to answer me, I will not even came here to read it.

Facts:

1 / you called me proposing to shoot for you, but then we concluded that no one else then you could shoot for your website because your market is based on your name and not on the content.

2 / You never asked a girl to TWM, in fact you are not even a registered producer.

3 / The twit was not even remotely addressed to you, in fact you actually shooting casting video for the most, not movies anymore.

4 / I never wrote one single word about you on any forum, and it is not a question of respect, I simply do not have anything to say.

5 / There are tons of people you maybe consider as friend, but they just consider you for what you are: one ass.

Personal consideration:
I do not really give a shit about who you are and what you did or what you are doing. I do not even give a dam shit about what you think about me and what you write about me, but I turn mad every time I read lies no matter who write.

Conclusion
You are one ass and a lier, dial with this yourself because with me you are losing time.

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[hjohjole]

Woodman is a director? I thought he was just filming himself having sex with all those girls that agencies keep sending him for some reason.
Or are we talking about what he did a decade ago here?

[xmal-fuckland]

i follow Giorgio's [spam] so i saw and commented on that post. I didn't realise it was (reasonable guess) intended for PW (if it was), but that shitty camcorder hotel room thing (whoever does it, not just PW) is the whole reason i don't bother with sites that trade in it. it's basically cheap and nasty looking. no getting around it.

i don't really know enough about PW, or the cult around him, to comment in detail on those things. and the women he shoots are generally gorgeous (a lot of overlap with LP, and girls want to work). but that grim 'readers wives' texture that permeate everything PW shoots just looks like bad gonzo past its sell-by date. that motel curtains closed and ambient lighting only schtick was jaded and done-to-death a decade ago, and it looks even more grisly now.
maybe, in a decade's time, ill-advised nostalgia and desperate post-modern irony will attach itself to that look ('so bad it's good'). but that time is a long way off (if it ever arrives). and i don't think PW is playing the irony game.

my feeling is that PW's core audience are the sort of men who go on boys holidays together and all chip in to hire a prostitute and a by-the-hour room for a group session. so the set up PW uses brings back fond memories for them. skanky sheets and chipboard beds have a certain 'slumming it' emotional charge for them. it takes them back. and maybe others aspire to that.
but if you are want a professional product - stellar cast, acts performed to perfection, great make-up and wardobe, profesionally lit studio, quality post production, etc - Giorgio is doing it and he keeps doing it. repeatedly and far better than anyone else around, in my opinion and according to my tastes (personal and subjective, obviously).

PW may be a good guy or a fool, i have no opinion on him as a person because i don't comment on subjects i know nothing of. but i don't buy his product because it looks cheap and nasty. that's the bottom line. as a fine arts graduate (post-grad) trained in studio lighting for still photgraphy (with few years' major venue stage experience on top) i am qualified to flag up grossly unflattering lighting (that badly lets the models down) as and when i see it. objective.

as for comments about Giorgio treating girls badly, his girls seem to come back time after time. bts and cast snapshots generally depict happy and harmoious scenes and there seems to be a lot of solidarity spirit among the GG team (cast and backstage crew). obviously we don't get insights into everything that goes on (GG or PW) but all impressions are that Giorgio maintains a decent scene.

i would also say that if people repeatedly maintain they 'have got stuff on... GG or PW, they seriously need to front up or shut up.
big talk along the lines of 'i've got a letter/recording/photo etc...' used to insinuate wrongdoing, but never disclosed so we are allowed to judge for ourselves, is the vice of tinpot dictators and blackmailers (whoever indulges in it).
show and tell, or silence yourself and preserve some dignity.

[xmal-fuckland]

i follow Giorgio's [spam] so i saw and commented on that post. I didn't realise it was (reasonable guess) intended for PW (if it was)...

Giorgio posted to clarfiy that the post was not intended for PW as i was writing my post. so that clears this up.

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

PW is the bitterest, sorest of losers and just a poison poster that nobody cares about. He's brought nothing but embarrassment on himself for a very long time now.

To answer the question directly, obviously GG is the hands down winner. Quality direction isn't dictated by budget but by talent.

[Perenini]

This comparison is ridiculous. PW is one of the worst directors and their intevistas are horrible. The models clearly do not like working with him.

[Perenini]

^ interviews
Fixed.

[avanfurwet]

I don't think much of PW's home video output.
But I guess he's clever to hire the hottest girls to appear with him and act out the fantasies of lonely unattractive middle-aged men in hotel rooms all over the world.
And I guess for girls of the calibre of Arwen & co it's an easy gig.
But at the end of the day it's all a bit sad and sleazy, like those "old & young" sites.

And who was the one who voted for PW? His sock puppet?

[laura.]

So, in the red corner we have a man who makes genre busting, revolutionary, heart pounding porn, filmed beautifully on high end equipment with quality lighting; who creates a harmonious atmosphere where the girls are comfortable, secure, relaxed and allowed to express themselves sexually. And over in the blue corner we have a machiavellian man who makes home movies in a Best Western.

Do we really need to have this poll?

I guess if anything it will cheer Giorgio up, I hope. Giorgio is the best ever imho, plus unlike the other he was very fuckable as a performer.

I would be in denial if i said that PW hasn't brought a lot to the industry over the years and back in the day he was a great visionary and made the stuff that I used to like, plot based glamour etc, his new stuff however is just seedy and unpalatable.

Keep doing what you do Mr Grandi, the vast majority of us see you as the final word xx

[avanfurwet]

So, in the red corner we have a man who makes genre busting, revolutionary, heart pounding porn, filmed beautifully on high end equipment with quality lighting; who creates a harmonious atmosphere where the girls are comfortable, secure, relaxed and allowed to express themselves sexually. And over in the blue corner we have a machiavellian man who makes home movies in a Best Western.

Do we really need to have this poll?

I guess if anything it will cheer Giorgio up, I hope. Giorgio is the best ever imho, plus unlike the other he was very fuckable as a performer.

I would be in denial if i said that PW hasn't brought a lot to the industry over the years and back in the day he was a great visionary and made the stuff that I used to like, plot based glamour etc, his new stuff however is just seedy and unpalatable.

Keep doing what you do Mr Grandi, the vast majority of us see you as the final word xx

* Yeah, what laura said. All of it.

[Syren_fan]

No question about it: GG.
He is releasing his scenes ASAP!!
That's enough already

[leroisoleil83]

Not going to take part in the poll, because I think bestsellers do enough talking on their own. That being said, I think the fact wood(less)man can't even afford to pay his actors says a lot about his status and performance as a director/producer/businessman. He's like a certain other businessman that comes to mind lately, lots of praise unto himself, but most reasonable people aren't that impressed.

[avanfurwet]

... the fact wood(less)man can't even afford to pay his actors ...

?????

[hendrik549]

Someone who makes a scene like the latest ninfo animal with Francis and Brittany has my vote.

[avanfurwet]

This comparison is ridiculous. PW is one of the worst directors and their intevistas are horrible. The models clearly do not like working with him.

[TomStern]

Woodman is only an escort addicted guy fuckibg some girls delivered by pimps, or ageents in hotel rooms.He shoot some of them, and sometime he shoot with some actors too, only to legalize his own addiction. So no question he is not anymore director, we can see the result.Same storyline, same questions in a short interview, all just to excite him be able to ebhoy fuck these girls Okay he has that website to clean up the money he made in the past, and he still has some rich people around, they are willing to pay some big cash for some escort, so he really try take under his own control, all girls are interresting to these rich guys. BTW he is the best lier, and biggest thief

[josh852]

Pretty pointless thread as its... well, a slam dunk for Giorgio easily

[Slayer21]

PW Should retired of recording himself fucking these girls, I don´t know why some people keep supporting him paying memerships or buying vids, How some one said before me he is only filling his addiction, he do not care about filming a good porn scene, is all about him, even I noticed how he believe himself is a very good fucker and try to teach girls his experience, specially anal, another think is the annoying big logo he use in his videos, big ego here, and recording porn in a hotel room WTF why he do not rent a right location, these and many things he do, makes him a really bastard.

[JediMasterBates]

how the fuck is this even a question? The fact that GG releases scenes in a timely fashion makes him a better director. Any asshole can mount a camera in a hotel room and film himself fucking.

[kidloco2]

Any asshole can mount a camera in a hotel room and film himself fucking.

Sure, but not to be a pioneer and remain successful with it for sooooo long time. PW basically made this porn genre. On the other hand Giorgio left a big mark in heavy and kinky anal Gonzo genre as well, even if he thinks gonzo is dead, he still makes it, lol.

[Vawkes]

Giorgio is God.

Woodman is a money-grabbing, sly, guy with a camera. Not a director.

[TomStern]

Any asshole can mount a camera in a hotel room and film himself fucking.

Sure, but not to be a pioneer and remain successful with it for sooooo long time. PW basically made this porn genre. On the other hand Giorgio left a big mark in heavy and kinky anal Gonzo genre as well, even if he thinks gonzo is dead, he still makes it, lol.

PW was director the when he was spending the money of Private, and later of Hustler.Since he has to solve it from its own budget, he become an amateur spending money on hotels,restaurants,meetings with industry pros to collect infos about others he can create,and spread gossips,and shit around.
Pioneer in what? By instance he did casting interviews all his life to protect himself,these days making money with this archive of legit proves he has. Somehow happened that Michel Ricaud "accidentally "died on location when was in a moment only PW next to him, falling down from rocks, and was replaced by PW the stand photographer to finish directing that production.After that he got the biggest budget from Private to shoot movies.When it come the era of "no more washing money", and new directors could shoot better movies using third part of the budget PW was spending, and they find out he made a mistake, by shooting Claudia Jameson at only 17y, Private had the choice tell him bye,bye.Than he run to James Baas from Hustler America getting its last chance to shoot and spend big budget.Yes, that time he really had the luck to have the best girls around.But why? Because he had the best agents and best models around, only he could pay them triple compared to other directors.Using 10 times more money than anybody else in all the world for shooting porn movies.Alessandro del Mar when he got the Private Gold label he had only the 3.rd part of PW budget shooting better movies.His casting series, started to die, when Private in its last days replaced Woodman with Toni Ribas shooting castings.Btw Cayenne Klein first casting was shot by Toni Ribas, not by PW, he faked it later, and overpaid Cayenne to lie about.This castings are the last chance for PW to remain alive in this biz, so its clear why he is so much agressive with all people try to compete with him.He knows he is not professional, otgers have better skills than he has, so it is a must to protect himself this way.He is a sex addict, would become a criminal raping girls, if he could not shoot anymore for some reason.

[byleth]

For Sure, GG is the best director.
I'm not a fan of PW but i have to say that as I'm french, his dirty talk is exciting and make difference with others. Perhaps a good idea for others to improve a bit...