Panorama wrote:sumacs3 wrote:Looks like I must be the rascal. My downfall clearly started when I came here to praise PW's two scenes with Wendy Muller, . . .
The problem sumacs is not the fact that you wish to praise Woodman, it's the fact that you provide such little evidence for why we should praise him. Your one and only reason for deeply admiring him is his scene with Wendy Muller, which has been described by many as a "masterpiece". The only problem with that view is that you are only looking at it from a totally selfish, obsessed point of view.
. . . If you are a porn producer in a business, you are in a position of trust, especially when it comes to something as serious as sex. If you ask a model who is only at your casting to do fashion modelling if she would like to do hardcore sex and she says NO, Morally, it should be left at that. Anything that takes place AFTER that model says NO can be considered abuse or manipulation. You/we have absolutely no idea how Woodman got Wendy to say yes, you only judge your "master" on the results.
. . . how someone enjoys something.
A survey . . . found that 22% (. . . 22% who were brave enough to admit it . . .) of violent rape victims (caused by strangers) had orgasms. The women said that in some cases the orgasms they had were the most intense they had ever had. The psychological trauma was that they believed that their own bodies had let them down. They orgasmed because of the body's natural reaction to stimulation not pleasure, do you think for one second that they would actually enjoy that experience?
As for the other 47 films. How do you know he didn't blackmail her into doing them? You don't know, all you know is that she initially said NO. . . . Yes, all those suggestions are very unlikely I hear you say, but when you put the many pieces of what Pierre Woodman says, what he shows on camera, and how he treats people you begin to see things that are not quite right. That is of course only true if you haven't been blinded by one single scene that you have become obsessed with.
So, yes, in answer to your remark that "such praise is not welcome here" until you or anyone else can prove otherwise it isn't.
Thanks, Panorama. I think the chief problem for me is that I cannot believe PW would be that mean of a character at all times, and most others here think he can't be that beneficial a person to anyone at any time. I do agree that despite my enjoyment of the Wendy scenes (and some others, but to a lesser degree), I always felt something was "off" about the whole Castings setup across the years. But there was too much ambiguity for me to get a handle on it. So I did not feel guilty or ashamed for watching and at one time joining the site to get the Wendy scenes. I also agree that in PW's eyes, he can do no wrong and shall always be Superman.
I don't get the idea of how PW would blackmail her into doing the other 47 scenes, which were with other studios. If you can believe PW (and he does tell the truth about many things, just not enough of them!), she was going to become a big name in the U.S., but then decided otherwise and settled down. And he even somewhat cordially lol asked some of his fans to stop asking about her and let her get on with her life. The model Mia Mayblack worked with Wendy in several scenes for other studios. I joined her OF to ask details about what she thought of Wendy, particularly their scenes at straponcum, and she said she did not know much except that each model was paid a mere $30 per scene! Even though all models agreed to the price, they later realized how low that was compared to big US studios. She said the 18onlygirls scenes were as low as $10 each.
With regard to the statement about victims of rape by strangers, "They orgasmed because of the body's natural reaction to stimulation not pleasure." Thank you for that information. That adds, for me at least, a whole new dimension to the mystery. Wendy seemed to be a woman unusually sensitive to stimulation in many of her scenes, which you could see in some subtle bodily reactions. so I don't think that her sensitivity was faked. That sensitivity again worked to PW's advantage.