Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

[BlueShadow]

Now let's focus again on the facts:
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liar king movie producer:

[BlueShadow]

They still collabs with PW, it is clear.
But this time in an even more shady way.

[Panorama]

Sorry to write this to you but I searched the history of your posts, and I wonder how you can be a veteran of this forum with so few comments on models and porn scenes, you are absolutely not a fan of porn and you are not here to have fun or to discuss porn or the scenes sold here or on sites affiliated with the company, no your only pleasure is to insult and pour out your hatred on a producer that you don't even know and that you should ignore since you don't appreciate his work, it's not what any normal human being does to select what he likes to see and boycott what he doesn't like to see, imagine a bit of a mess it would be if everyone started insulting Spielberg, calling him a Mongolian, a liar, fake guys and others when you just have to not go see his films instead of wasting your time insulting pour out his hatred, I don't know what this man did to you but we feel great frustration in you!
Maybe you need to do some yoga or have sex with your wife more often to relax!
All that to say come here to chat with real fans of the site and its brands instead of coming here to insult people!

Comparison that makes no sense you searched the history of our post... but not the history of PW.

He wasn't exactly specific as to who he was referring to Blue, he was probably referring to me as I don't post anywhere else whereas you and the other guys have.

But in answer to his statement. Yes, he's right I am absolutely not a fan of porn, well not the kind of porn many here like anyway. But does that preclude me from an opinion? The thread is about Pierre Woodman or more precisely the manipulations. lies etc of Pierre Woodman. I can't speak for Valencia, Blue or anyone else, but I've spent considerable time away from this forum studying Woodman and the conclusions that I post here come from talking with models, watching his "castings", looking at body language, reading his own words.
As Blue has already stated, it's easy for you to come here and tell me (us) that we don't know Pierre Woodman but how well do YOU know Pierre Woodman? Most of Woodman's supporters follow "the master" but never really get to know the false prophet they are following. You came to tell us how wrong we are to criticize him, yet you gave us no examples of why you thought he was so special. Maybe it's because like him you're not capable of feeling empathy for someone else, maybe you just don't respect women, maybe you're just selfish, who knows. But believe me, Pierre is no Spielberg, no Stanley Kubrick, and when he eventually disappears (and he will, one way or another) everything he made will disappear with him and his name will be right up there with the likes of Derek Hay, Ron Jeremy, Dennis Burkas. What a legacy.

I'm far too old to do yoga, and fortunately for me I don't have a wife, so for now I'll just continue to be frustrated.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrnGozAAQk ALMOST A QUARTER MILLION people have watched in. 250.000 views!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1100 comment. Almost all very angry on gerbier for exploiting their country women. If tommie is reading here, he should continue to find very important journalists, news papers, magazines, tv channels all around the globe and do collaborations with people all over the world to really make gerbier poop his pants and then get handcuffs on this walking piece of old poop. Be like Zelenski and knock on as many important peoples doors to get the news out on this cancer of the eu porno biz. 5k subs on twit (and the same old little pieces of shit supporters of gerbier commenting on your videos) doesn't really seem to make an impact at this moment eventhough all the overwhelming evidence about gerbier/brillbabes/make-up assistant/alberto rey's activities is there.

As to your questions, c'mon man, It's not so hard to figure out why it took so long for gerbier to come with a reaction in regards to the expose. Pierre andre nicolas came up with this bogus story how his sweaty fat face brother had to go pierre andre nicolas' apartment in paris to find his old iphone 5 in between all his garbage and come bring it personally to him in Budapest. On this phone were the SMS messages supposedly send by eva berger. You ask the number 1 narcissist pathalogical lier gerbier "are you sure the text messages are real because they look suspicious". Welllllllllllllll, duhhhhhhhhhh, they look suspicious because gerbier used this bogus story about his fat face brother to fabricate false evidence. It's actually suuuuuuuuuper easy and even more so with older generations iphone's. Yopu have all kinds of free/online software to do so. I suppose for more advaced software you pay a little fee. Check last screen shot. You can literally fabricate everything. Time, Date, Provider, Battery level etc. That's why gerbier will not show you eva berger's number saying he is not your dog. This lobotomized fool can't show you legit proof because there isn't LOL! Gerbier will love the new era of AI. He can fabricate more stories where non -consensual sex will eventually be changed to consensual. Also, c'mon, the wording used by "eva berger" is exactly what gerbier could write. "Pierre my love". ' Thank you so much" "I was waiting this much" ..........only gerbier loves himself that much to say dumb shit like that. And only gerbier sees himself as god's gift to women. Only gerbier thinks that girls should be eternally grateful and in debt towards gerbier for the pope of eu porn to choose those nobody's, as it is gerbier, who can only make a nobody a somebody in porn (as he often claims).

Instructions to fabricate fake sms/imessage/whatsapp/telegram/e-mail etc. messages:
Gerbier has been doing it since day 1!!!!!

https://www.meritline.com/best-fake-tex ... for-iphone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olq4DIWxRt4
https://ifaketextmessage.com

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They still collabs with PW, it is clear.
But this time in an even more shady way.

No, it's not. Don't you remember the screenshot you posted about where gerbier himself says he's a snake with snamky ways and often booked models behind the agent/agencies back and also do things with them the agent/agency didn't want? Seeing that this is a spanish model, they all have the same "pimp", "manager", "boyfriend" ow however you wanna call it. It would be more logical that gebier booked her behind agenencie's back and/or paid the agent extra fee's off the books. Just like he does with that german backstabber Andy Baxxx and that crooked teeth half cuban manager (I forgot her name) Sandragon or something like that???? If Eszter or robert, or more likely one of their agents are still working with gerbier, xxx/wgcz should investigate and have them fired immediately. If the model worked with gerbier knowing she wasn't allowed to do so, then it's immediate fire from agency too and ban for all wgcz owned productions. It's as simple as that.

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Alberto rey or the "lapiedra guy" (the guy who gave all the spanish models the lapiedra name) should be investigated in this matter AMONG OTHERS..........

[BlueShadow]

They still collabs with PW, it is clear.
But this time in an even more shady way.

No, it's not. Don't you remember the screenshot you posted about where gerbier himself says he's a snake with snamky ways and often booked models behind the agent/agencies back and also do things with them the agent/agency didn't want? Seeing that this is a spanish model, they all have the same "pimp", "manager", "boyfriend" ow however you wanna call it. It would be more logical that gebier booked her behind agenencie's back and/or paid the agent extra fee's off the books. Just like he does with that german backstabber Andy Baxxx and that crooked teeth half cuban manager (I forgot her name) Sandragon or something like that???? If Eszter or robert, or more likely one of their agents are still working with gerbier, xxx/wgcz should investigate and have them fired immediately. If the model worked with gerbier knowing she wasn't allowed to do so, then it's immediate fire from agency too and ban for all wgcz owned productions. It's as simple as that.

So I remove the "they still collaborate with PW."
But it still remains: "... in an even more shady way."
So with PW in the end the only constant is that he always works in shady ways, other than "crystal clear" as he claim every time.

[ValenciaCF]

They still collabs with PW, it is clear.
But this time in an even more shady way.

No, it's not. Don't you remember the screenshot you posted about where gerbier himself says he's a snake with snamky ways and often booked models behind the agent/agencies back and also do things with them the agent/agency didn't want? Seeing that this is a spanish model, they all have the same "pimp", "manager", "boyfriend" ow however you wanna call it. It would be more logical that gebier booked her behind agenencie's back and/or paid the agent extra fee's off the books. Just like he does with that german backstabber Andy Baxxx and that crooked teeth half cuban manager (I forgot her name) Sandragon or something like that???? If Eszter or robert, or more likely one of their agents are still working with gerbier, xxx/wgcz should investigate and have them fired immediately. If the model worked with gerbier knowing she wasn't allowed to do so, then it's immediate fire from agency too and ban for all wgcz owned productions. It's as simple as that.

So I remove the "they still collaborate with PW."
But it still remains: "... in an even more shady way."
So with PW in the end the only constant is that he always works in shady ways, other than "crystal clear" as he claim every time.

Yes it's clear. It's almost undercover because they don't want to be associated with him under the pretence that they stopped working with him. But how many girls are still coming from brillbabes even his own members asked him if he was still with Brillbabes he said no and the girl he shoot before going to Brillbabes lolololol. Does he think we are dumb Brillbabes is still supplying him with girls. Woodman is a top liar

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[Panorama]

I'd be interested in knowing what other people in the know think about this typically boastful statement by Pierre. Would it be better for him to keep his head down as I'm sure any investigations would be more far-reaching than he might like.
Or, do you think his super clean "good guy" image and constant court victories over his arch-enemy will preclude any investigations (including historical ones) into him?

[isis666xxx]

pierre woodman networth: around 10 million dollars

+ he has fucked thousands of hot girls

+ hes famous

[Panorama]

You're spending all this time trying to defend someone who has ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF RAPING CHILDREN and you say, "Wait to see what the judgement will be"???? I suppose at least this time all his victims were adults I presume?
Black Magic is going back to prison where he belongs Pierre, Deep down you know that, or else you wouldn't have put that little caveat in there about "if" he is found guilty.
Whatever, little reputation you have left in the industry is only being harmed further by all the really shady people you are now being forced to work with. For example. I noticed you're having to use models that are all called "Lapiedra" after their pimp. . . . Sorry, manager, agent, or whoever. Are they all branded as well so that everyone knows which farm they came from? Seriously, making models all adopt the big boss's name is not only puerile, but it's also so obviously bent!

You're claiming that Tommy is ruining your business, but I really think you Gabby and Helena need to take a look at who you are sleeping with. Remember, if you lie with dogs you're gonna get fleas.

[BlueShadow]

No need to bother God.
It's ''all'' Lapiedra because now he has to rely on one agent: lapiedraramiro.10 (but obviously not all of them go there, there are models who are clearly of a higher level who will not be able but to touch and do not need to go there)

Then we have the Belgian girls sent by the convicted for abuse Dennis Black thing.
The other is Sandritka or whatever (the same one PW who criticized when she sent Mia Trejsi to Gonzo, the one from the agency Empatic Models) but the majority are girls who have already worked in anal with Natasha Teen's studio.
Or in a sneaky way working with girls who would be on a work tours with Brillbabes.
Practically he work in Budapest, but the two most important agencies based in Budapest no longer work with him.

As you see if he doesn't work in a sneaky way... he can't.

[ValenciaCF]

Now 2nd time DP and to feel the difference
If there was a poster for dumb and dumber, Woodman isit

[ValenciaCF]

He is such a sour grape and speaks lies 24/7 because he is so jealous of his competition. Watch how he spreads more lies, easily detectible here.
Nikki Hill has no problem retweeting LP scenes, but his scene she did not even tweet, so who is he trying to lie to??? Himself ? if she ever had a problem, it was definitely with Woodman, not anyone else like he lies about

[BlueShadow]

He is such a sour grape and speaks lies 24/7 because he is so jealous of his competition. Watch how he spreads more lies, easily detectible here.
Nikki Hill has no problem retweeting LP scenes, but his scene she did not even tweet, so who is he trying to lie to??? Himself ? if she ever had a problem, it was definitely with Woodman, not anyone else like he lies about

In this case we can say: "Let people think what they want".

[ValenciaCF]

As ypu cam see Mr Woodman is a big fat liar. Once again pretending he isnot working hand in hand with Brillbabes. He publishes same girl who work for Brillbabes.

Number 1 liar of the world. Proof is everywhere. Look whose doorstep another girl show up lolololol
We dom't have stupid written on our foreheads. Maybe Brillbabes is also his secret escort agency

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In the light of what Pierre andre nicolas gerbier said on multiple occasions about it being perfectly fine for 40, 50, 60, 70 year old men to fuck (in dennis burkas' case rape) 15 year old children because the only thing relevant to pierre andre nicolas gerbier is what the law of a country says, I can understand why pierre andre nicolas gerbier loves adult women (like the 2 here below) who look like they could be 15 years old. REMINDER: remember how pierre andre nicolas gerbier was TOP MAD and cried/cries in the courtroom to the judge that a photo of his then 15 year old FULLY CLOTHED daughter alexandra geyser (why isn't she names gerbier??) was supposedly posted here?? Let us also remember that it was pierre andre nicolas gerbier who always talked about his daughter and promoted her writing business all across his shitty little forum and in the French media on red carpets interviews. PIERRE ANDRE NICOLAS GERBIER = DOUBLE STANDARD HYPER MOTHERFUCKER.

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Typical woodman member, NO BALLS TO STAND BEHIND YOUR WORDS (even if it's true) and begs to get unblocked on twit.
And GERBIER IS even dumber and unblocks him even if he put's knife in his back. DUMB gerbier doesn't even know how to check that guys post history that led to the initial block LOL.
That member is probably laughing now how DUMB gerbier is for unblocking him haha. DUMB AND DUMBER LOL!

[sumacs3]

There seems to be an unsubstantiated belief amongst some here that PW is a peedough, no matter how you slice it.

"Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13." [Wiki]

As the great philosopher Voltaire said, "If you wish to converse with me, define your terms."

[Iddaoeeok]

There seems to be an unsubstantiated belief amongst some here that PW is a peedough, no matter how you slice it.

"Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13." [Wiki]

As the great philosopher Voltaire said, "If you wish to converse with me, define your terms."

Ephebophile would be more appopriate, however I wonder how many people who use this site would qualify for that classification too.

[BlueShadow]

I honestly don't think this disquisition on pedophilia is interesting.

We are talking about one who condones ABUSE, pedophilia is secondary here. An aggravating factor, but the main point is that an ABUSE is an ABUSE regardless.
And PW plays dumb about that conviction for RAPE of his friend Dennis Burka.

PW condoning what ''Dennis Black magic'' does.

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Too bad he didn't go to jail 1 years just because he had sex with a 15 year old girl, but we clearly talking about ASSAULT. And 4 years for RAPE on another 15 years old girl. So, underage or not... it's indifferent.We are talking about assault and rape (And he was convicted for that.)
Let him get a dictionary so he is clear about what we are talking about.

indecent assault and rape. Not me saying that:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Black_Magic
In 2006, he again comes into disrepute for shooting a VTM camera crew.[8] Two years later, he is sentenced to one year in effective prison for indecent assault on a 15-year-old girl.[9] In 2011, he is sentenced to four years in prison for raping another 15-year-old girl.[10]

He hit the media again in 2017 with a porn parody of scripted reality series Real Stories: The Neighborhood Police, titled Bad Stories: The Police of the Neighborhood.[11] Shortly thereafter, however, he is again sentenced to eighteen months in prison for inciting lewdness of minors.[12] In 2020, Burkas announces that - after a twenty-five-year career - he is retiring from the porn industry.[13]

In March 2021, Burkas is again taken into custody on suspicion of rape.[14]

9: https://www.hbvl.be/cnt/aid650464
10: https://www.hbvl.be/cnt/aid1030911
12: https://www.hln.be/showbizz/dennis-black-magic-is-weer-op-vrije-voeten-en-geeft-meteen-complimentje-aan-danira-boukhriss-terkessidis~a30c5967/
14: https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20210306_96288544

And anyway PW didn't seem so condescending when he tried to make Robin Reid look bad for a picture with two "nearly adult" girls. While having sex,assault and rape a 15 years old girl it's ok if is one of his ''friend'' apparently...
Double standard. Always.

I must admit, I do feel for Pierre with the difficult position he was put in with this situation. Do you show support for a liar or a paedophile? Tricky that one.
But the ever-wise Woodman whose "text message proofs" as we've already seen this month are worth about as much as his honesty, decides to back the multi-convicted, gun-toting paedophile!!!

Way to go, Pierre, I know where to come for advice!

Oh and by the way, no judge in his right mind would accept ANY text messages because they can be hoxed. . . . . . Especially yours.

Yes, he is very good at giving advice...here PW moralizing by saying that we must first wait the sentence to make judgments on the Nanoe-Dennis affair...



Still PW, already says it is IMPOSSIBLE that Dennis abused Nanoe Vaesen (making stupid jokes like the clown he is)

I put also the orginal, just in case:




I am only sorry that there are still people who continue to give credit to what this clown says.
His words are worth ZERO.

[BlueShadow]

So, PW has no problem doing business with a convicted for rape -- but if some actor in his crew smokes a joint, he's being moralistic.
Okay.

I mean... Mark Dupree, Darrel Deeps, even his friend Ricky Mancini etc. have done something more serious than rape?

here how he wastes no time and do the paladin of the righteous by openly criticizing Discipleofdesire (in a thread with the title: THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS! The belgian guy is not, it seems... Of course now the thread is deleted (but we have a historical memory) for they behaviour with a model (they was in Budapest at the time, so direct competitor)



Here even the late Kai Taylor before he collaborated with him. Talking about his REPUTATION. So, why he don't talk about the reputation of Dennis Black Thing? Instead of make photo with him and business with him?



Darrell Deeps here
So much so that he never worked with him again:

HUMAN BEHAVIOUR! And the human behavior of a convicted for abuse on minors?? Nothing, huh?


Who knows what Darrell Deeps might have done...can it be more serious than abuse on minor?
But then he has nothing to say about Dennis Black Thing, in fact, he even says he has never been in jail, which is false, he has been several times.
(just because he has to make as much as possible).
But of course the bad guys are the ones from Disciples of desire, Rocco, Juliana Grandi, LP/AV, Darrell Deeps...LOL!

Double standard.

[Panorama]

There seems to be an unsubstantiated belief amongst some here that PW is a peedough, no matter how you slice it.

"Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13." [Wiki]

As the great philosopher Voltaire said, "If you wish to converse with me, define your terms."

Well, you can get into the exact meaning of paedophile, the facts, the literal meanings and put as many different angles and takes on it as you like. But if you ask me although the age of consent (16 in my country) means you are adult enough to engage in sexual intercourse, you are still a MINOR until you reach 18. That's why you cannot appear in porn films until that age. (Although one of Woodman's sick little followers has already suggested that this age should be lowered)
Any adult (18+) engaging in sexual intercourse with anyone under 16 is a nonce. Dennis Burkas is a nonce. . . . He's actually the worst kind of nonce because he's been convicted of it numerous times. If it were up to me I would remove his willy for the safety of all MINORS.
I have no idea whether Woodman is a nonce or not, and I would never accuse him of it unless I had hard evidence, evidence that his best mate has in spadefuls, that's why I call BURKAS a nonce, and Woodman a nonces mate.
What is evident though and is also very worrying (for me at least) is that Woodman likes to have sex with adult women who look like 13-year-old girls, nothing wrong with that LEGALLY. But you tend to draw your own conclusions. Personally, I like my women to be mature and look like women, young by all means, but not little girls.

Exhibit A) A woman who looks like a woman.

Exhibit B) A woman who looks like a very young girl.

[Iddaoeeok]

Personally, I like my women to be mature and look like women, young by all means, but not little girls.

Well bully for you but sticking "teen" in a scene name is a surefire, tried and trusted way to sell porn and you can bet that the younger and more genuinely young looking the model is the more you will get fans of teen porn salivating. So in that regard Woodman seems no different to me than numerous producers who are catering for those many many consumers of porn who are obsessed with teens and obsessed with "first time" models - try reading this forum.

[Panorama]

Well bully for you but sticking "teen" in a scene name is a surefire, tried and trusted way to sell porn and you can bet that the younger and more genuinely young looking the model is the more you will get fans of teen porn salivating. So in that regard Woodman seems no different to me than numerous producers who are catering for those many many consumers of porn who are obsessed with teens and obsessed with "first time" models - try reading this forum.

So, does little Brenda get you salivating?

[Iddaoeeok]

Well bully for you but sticking "teen" in a scene name is a surefire, tried and trusted way to sell porn and you can bet that the younger and more genuinely young looking the model is the more you will get fans of teen porn salivating. So in that regard Woodman seems no different to me than numerous producers who are catering for those many many consumers of porn who are obsessed with teens and obsessed with "first time" models - try reading this forum.

So, does little Brenda get you salivating?

I don't know why are you asking me, I never said I was interested in teens in porn.

[Panorama]

I don't know why are you asking me, I never said I was interested in teens in porn.

I was just poking around, your posts read more like a latent admission rather than a statement, I apologise for the misidentification. Closet nonces tend to know a lot about their condition and try to normalize and justify what other nonces do without actually coming out and admitting what they are. That's why when Woodman sticks up for his paedophile best friend although I can't accuse him of anything, it makes me suspicious. So, indirectly people who stick up for Woodman make me suspicious too. I don't like nonces, they ruin young lives, and they make me want to be sick. So, anyone who supports them is as bad as them (in my book)

On a side note about Brenda (Lara). The reason why her career didn't take off was probably because she pushed that (as you say) "teen" look a little too far down into the "pre-teen" look even for spinner directors. If I was a director I'd take one look at Brenda and know I'd be up for a lot of criticism despite her legal age. But that's just my view I don't know anything about the porn industry. That's no disrespect to Brenda by the way, I'm sure she's a lovely lass. But the fact that Woodman is only one of (I'm sure you can tell me) very few producers who would revel in her pre-teen looks says a lot (in my view) about what he finds acceptable.

[sumacs3]

Thank you for the age and abuse clarification, BlueShadow. Good discussion.

One thing that seems to be given little thought is why so many women have shaved pussies. How does that play into all of this, in a general sense?

[Iddaoeeok]

I don't know why are you asking me, I never said I was interested in teens in porn.

I was just poking around, your posts read more like a latent admission rather than a statement.

No they don't. Also I'm not "sticking up" for Woodman, I'm merely pointing out the pushing of teen/barely legal porn is not exactly unusual from porn producers/consumers and being holier than thou about it on a porn site renowned for extreme sex is a bit hypocritical. It reminds me of conspiracy theorists who are obsessed with the alleged sexual misbehaviour of Bill Gates or Bill Clinton or whoever but when conspiracy theorist Russell Brand is caught out having had a sexual relationship with a 16 year old schoolgirl that's OK because it's legal in the UK.

[Panorama]

It would be hypocritical of me if I indulged in extreme sex and posted in other areas of this porn site, however, I don't. But I don't care how extreme someone's sexual preferences are as long as it is conducted between consenting adults. I'm far from being a perfect human being but I've never manipulated or deceived women into doing things they don't want to do and I'm not a nonce, and I'm not a nonces mate. I don't like people who suggest that sex with minors is okay and I don't like people who support them. There might be lots of sites out there that cater for "barely legal" models but Woodman is the only producer I know that has a convicted nonce for a best mate. That makes him (for me) very suspicious, you may call it a conspiracy theory but I see it as something else, this forum gives me the ability to point that out.

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Pretty sad to see some people in this thread quibbling over semantics about what exactly a pedophile constitutes and whether or not it would be better to talk about ephebophiles instead, and others then somewhat retracting the severity of their outrage by saying it's more about condoning abuse than it is about pedophelia anyways. Fact of the matter is that dennis burkas has been convicted multiple times for raping 15 year old underage girls and pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman) condoning it.


Instead of finding biologically/mentally/physically excuses to make it acceptable to fuck underage girls/boys or hide behind "age of consent" or "sexual majority" of each country, let's make it less abstract and take a look at your teenage daughter or granddaughter of 15. She comes home one day and says she's in a "realationship" with this obese and that lays on her a couple of times a day:

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And you then hear that this sweaty smelly 50+/60+ freak has a penchant for rough anal sex or even happens to work in the adult industry and says he that has must penetrate young butt every evening or get a migraine and that he also "loves to throw the worst urine calamity in a girls mouth" for them to swallow. Would you then still quibble about, pedophile vs ephebophiles; age of consent, teenager/adolescent not being a child and can perfectly make her own decisions; 50/60 yo boyfriend not being a pedophile for sure because she is a teenager bla bla. Ask 1000 people if they consider it pedophelia for a 50/60+ old geezer to be in a relationship or fuck a 15 year old (even if "she wanted it herself"), and I don't think you will find many people who say, NO PROBLEM, cool guy, not a pedophile AT ALL and then saying that ephebophelia is OKAY because perhaps not punishable by the law of certain countries. Lets not forget that we're talking here about an age difference of a couple of decades and about cunning master manipulative men. They are not boys of the same age bracket.
If you only consider the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) book to find out what pedophelia or a pedophile is, then you're on a slippery slope real fast to condone having sex with underage people. Regarding age of consent for sex, lots of countries make an exception if the age difference is minor (for example 3 years) but guys like dennis burkas was 45+/50+ and condoining gerbier's age bracket is 60+ for crying out loud!

C'mon, let's not forget that Gerbier was very angry on his forum because you are not allowed to have a picture on your phone of a 10 year old nude girl in France. However, the hypocrite politicians in France shake hands with countries where you "can married a girl 8 years old and fuck her the day of her period ( I don't think most of them wait this )". He finds it hypocrisy that we don't protest. Sorry, but after reading gerbiers nauseating thoughts/opinions, I can truthfully say that I have NEVER thought about children in connection with period and fucking. What the hell goes through this lobotomized fools mind when looking/seeing random children on the street playing with their toys, friends, pets, parents or siblings? But hey, what can you expect when your grandfather "shows" you about anal sex when youre 7 years old as per gerbiers own words.

Also the story about lost frightened teenage children/teenagers knocking on gerbier cabin door in the woods deep in the night and him sending them away in stead of helping them or calling the police to find their parents???? This guy doesn't give a damn about children. Gerbier should know how scary the woods can be AFTER supposedly almost getting raped in the woods by a pedophile when he was a young boy, and then he sends children away???? But gerbier was a tough motherfucker as per his own words he almost killed the pedophile with his knife even while being below 10 yo so for sure teenage girls can pefectly fight potential pedos in the woods in the middle of the night too......

If dennis burkas is a pedophile then pierre andre nicolas gerbier is a pedophelia supporter for constantly finding excuses why it was okay for dennis burkas to rape/coerce/have sex with 15 year olds as a 45/50+ grown ass man. But in the light of all the convictions/statements of gerbier on the subject matter and allowing and condoning his members to talk about putting kids in pornography without him being outraged about it or ban that person, says enough for the general public on what gerbier supports in real life....

Pedophile supporter doesn't get scolded by pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman)

That said, I wonder if the people who wonder how many people who use this site would qualify for the ephebophile classification are in fact projecting their own predelictions as I don't think it is normal to even think (many) people who indulge in porn (from this site or in general) are or could be considered ephebophiles. What a stupid word anyways. I CALL IT PEDOPHILES. Other than psychiatrists/ mental healthcare professionals or pedosexuals, NOBODY will make this stupid pedophile-ephebophile distinction and most will never even heard of this term. I never heard about it. I wonder why and how this person even knows about this term. This is not common knowledge. Kinda suspect if you ask me.........

I can already see where this goes in practice: "don't call me a (disgusting) PEDO, Im a ephebophile!" "The law of country xyz stands behind me as it says I can fuck 12-16 yo girls in country xyz because that's the age of consent in those countries". "It doesn't even matter if I'm a perverted granny of burkas/gerbier's age (which I'm not by the way because I'm totally normal)". For me, these guys coming up with this distinction are on a slippery slope and to me equally perverted and will definitily not be left alone with my teenage children if I would ever hear them talk nonsense like that.

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i think this thread will go on forever and ever

forever hating on pierre woodman and feeding him more attention and more views HAHAHA

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Pretty sad to see some people in this thread quibbling over semantics about what exactly a pedophile constitutes and whether or not it would be better to talk about ephebophiles instead, and others then somewhat retracting the severity of their outrage by saying it's more about condoning abuse than it is about pedophelia anyways. Fact of the matter is that dennis burkas has been convicted multiple times for raping 15 year old underage girls and pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman) condoning it.

Sorry. How do I retract on the severity of their outrage? It's the contrary.

I honestly don't think this disquisition on pedophilia is interesting.

We are talking about one who condones ABUSE, pedophilia is secondary here. An aggravating factor, but the main point is that an ABUSE is an ABUSE regardless.
And PW plays dumb about that conviction for RAPE of his friend Dennis Burka.

[Iddaoeeok]

Sorry. How do I retract on the severity of their outrage?

You didn't, you explained yourself very well. Unfortunately I think your friend has a point he wants to make regardless of whether it has any validity or not.

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Pretty sad to see some people in this thread quibbling over semantics about what exactly a pedophile constitutes and whether or not it would be better to talk about ephebophiles instead, and others then somewhat retracting the severity of their outrage by saying it's more about condoning abuse than it is about pedophelia anyways. Fact of the matter is that dennis burkas has been convicted multiple times for raping 15 year old underage girls and pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman) condoning it.

Sorry. How do I retract on the severity of their outrage? It's the contrary.

I honestly don't think this disquisition on pedophilia is interesting.

We are talking about one who condones ABUSE, pedophilia is secondary here. An aggravating factor, but the main point is that an ABUSE is an ABUSE regardless.
And PW plays dumb about that conviction for RAPE of his friend Dennis Burka.

Well, I guess it depends on what you make bold in that quote of yours. To me pedophelia is never secondary and always the main point no if's, and's or butt's. I just found it a bit odd that this sentence came right after that always topic distracting trolling rascal pops out out of nowhere once again, even though it was made clear by that person on multiple occasions that this topic and contributions have no point whatsoever and that it's a time waste for those who write here. Yet that person just can't seem to stop himself in his excitement and come in here every now and then to push on some buttons, deflect discussions or vent. They are not worth a direct reply anyways like certain others in this thread. If it would be a waste of time for that person, then what stops that person to just fuck off, ignore this thread permanently, and mind their own business and perhaps rather keep themselves busy researching the various degrees of pedophelia and investigate the amount of "ephebophiles" on this site by creating an anonymous poll or what not. Ask them if they want to see 12-16 years old on AV. Either way, all those people need to have their balls shot off.

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Either way, all those people need to have their balls shot off.

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i think this thread will go on forever and ever

forever hating on pierre woodman and feeding him more attention and more views HAHAHA

I'm not entirely sure about that doraemon, Woodman has already admitted that the information we provide here about his involvement with a convicted paedophile has cost him, subscribers. 1 person, 1 model not subscribing or going to see him is worth all the crap I've written here over the last two years. So yeah, until the porn industry does something to get rid of ancient manipulative porn producers like Woodman I guess your right in your first comment.

Speaking of subscribers.

Yes "Pieter" you go ahead and spend your money indirectly supporting a paedophile (Dennis Burkas) because that's what you are doing giving you money to Pierre Woodman. Nobody can claim ignorance anymore, you are responsible for your own actions. And don't forget, if anything should happen, and Pierre ends up being investigated (for whatever reason)all your details will be on Woodman's system.

**********KEEP PAYING THOSE SUBS PEOPLE!**********

[Iddaoeeok]

Well, I guess it depends on what you make bold in that quote of yours. To me pedophelia is never secondary and always the main point no if's, and's or butt's. I just found it a bit odd that this sentence came right after that always topic distracting trolling rascal pops out out of nowhere once again, even though it was made clear by that person on multiple occasions that this topic and contributions have no point whatsoever and that it's a time waste for those who write here. Yet that person just can't seem to stop himself in his excitement and come in here every now and then to push on some buttons, deflect discussions or vent. They are not worth a direct reply anyways like certain others in this thread. If it would be a waste of time for that person, then what stops that person to just fuck off, ignore this thread permanently, and mind their own business and perhaps rather keep themselves busy researching the various degrees of pedophelia and investigate the amount of "ephebophiles" on this site by creating an anonymous poll or what not. Ask them if they want to see 12-16 years old on AV. Either way, all those people need to have their balls shot off.

Don't kid yourself that I read any of the Woodman stuff, there's far too much of it and it's just the same stuff over and over again, but the insane single-minded obsessiveness of the thread is certainly notable, even if the content or (more especially) the presentation of the content is so repetitive. I tend to notice the thread when someone other than the regular posters pops up in the board index as posting last, it's so unusual for someone else to post in this thread or show any interest in it, that I'm interested in seeing what they have to say and that's when I will sometimes post something. As it stands, the thread is a closed shop, there's no real entry point in it because no-one else is as obsessive about this particular subject and if you aren't as as obsessive about this particular subject you're not welcome anyway ("just fuck off") so why would you bother posting? So it's an echo chamber for a few people to agree with each other, which is fine for those few people.

(By the way ephebophiles covers the ages 15 to 18 and models on this site, and porn in general, who are (allegedly) 18 - i.e. as young as you can legally get away with - tend to be very very popular.)

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Well, I guess it depends on what you make bold in that quote of yours. To me pedophelia is never secondary and always the main point no if's, and's or butt's. I just found it a bit odd that this sentence came right after that always topic distracting trolling rascal pops out out of nowhere once again, even though it was made clear by that person on multiple occasions that this topic and contributions have no point whatsoever and that it's a time waste for those who write here. Yet that person just can't seem to stop himself in his excitement and come in here every now and then to push on some buttons, deflect discussions or vent. They are not worth a direct reply anyways like certain others in this thread. If it would be a waste of time for that person, then what stops that person to just fuck off, ignore this thread permanently, and mind their own business and perhaps rather keep themselves busy researching the various degrees of pedophelia and investigate the amount of "ephebophiles" on this site by creating an anonymous poll or what not. Ask them if they want to see 12-16 years old on AV. Either way, all those people need to have their balls shot off.

Don't kid yourself that I read any of the Woodman stuff, there's far too much of it and it's just the same stuff over and over again, but the insane single-minded obsessiveness of the thread is certainly notable, even if the content or (more especially) the presentation of the content is so repetitive. I tend to notice the thread when someone other than the regular posters pops up in the board index as posting last, it's so unusual for someone else to post in this thread or show any interest in it, that I'm interested in seeing what they have to say and that's when I will sometimes post something. As it stands, the thread is a closed shop, there's no real entry point in it because no-one else is as obsessive about this particular subject and if you aren't as as obsessive about this particular subject you're not welcome anyway ("just fuck off") so why would you bother posting? So it's an echo chamber for a few people to agree with each other, which is fine for those few people.

(By the way ephebophiles covers the ages 15 to 18 and models on this site, and porn in general, who are (allegedly) 18 - i.e. as young as you can legally get away with - tend to be very very popular.)

Thanks, Iddaoeeok,

Looks like I must be the rascal. My downfall clearly started when I came here to praise PW's two scenes with Wendy Muller, scenes which a number of his fans described as masterpieces, and in which the two participants had the time of their lives. And those two scenes launched her porn career, in which she made another 47 videos. I was very grateful to PW for getting to see Wendy in action. But such praise is not welcome here. PW is to be presented here as always evil and cannot possibly be associated with anything redeeming.

The OP for this topic did not even ask for any opinions about PW, but simply said that PW himself admitted he was a bastard and broke the will of girls. My logical contention was that Wendy did not mind, as she came back for another round a year after the casting! She also may have been the only model who left red scratch marks on PW's back, as she pulled him toward her while he heated her up!

Also, what exactly is a romantic conquest, except to break, albeit more slowly, the will of a girl?

The reason I talked about the misuse of the term peedough, let alone the spelling lol, is related to the fact that certain strongly accusatory statements made on line, if untrue, can be deemed libelous, harming a person's reputation, and the person who makes them can be subject to a civil suit.

In these cases, often a mere opinion is exempt from being called libelous, but not always. If we use strong words, it is important to define them. The fact that many people do not know the distinctions between certain words is no excuse. This reminds one also of how some people refer to a man who criticizes women in any way as a misogynist.

Yes this thread is much like a closed shop, and if you still can walk in, but march to a different drummer, no matter how orderly, you will be quickly asked to leave!

I did some further research as suggested by the poster in the first paragraph, and here is today's discovery:

"Sometimes, you’ll hear the term ‘minor-attracted person’ (MAP) used instead of pedophile. MAP is an umbrella-term that encompasses anyone attracted to children under the age of 18, meaning it includes pedophiles, hebephiles (people attracted to pubescent children) and ephebophiles (people attracted to teens)." I guess that can include pregnant people, too.

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Looks like I must be the rascal. My downfall clearly started when I came here to praise PW's two scenes with Wendy Muller, scenes which a number of his fans described as masterpieces, and in which the two participants had the time of their lives. And those two scenes launched her porn career, in which she made another 47 videos. I was very grateful to PW for getting to see Wendy in action. But such praise is not welcome here. PW is to be presented here as always evil and cannot possibly be associated with anything redeeming. The OP for this topic did not even ask for any opinions about PW, but simply said that PW himself admitted he was a bastard and broke the will of girls. My logical contention was that Wendy did not mind, as she came back for another round a year after the casting! She also may have been the only model who left red scratch marks on PW's back, as she pulled him toward her while he heated her up!
Also, what exactly is a romantic conquest, except to break, albeit more slowly, the will of a girl?

The problem sumacs is not the fact that you wish to praise Woodman, it's the fact that you provide such little evidence for why we should praise him. Your one and only reason for deeply admiring him is his scene with Wendy Muller, which has been described by many as a "masterpiece". The only problem with that view is that you are only looking at it from a totally selfish, obsessed point of view. You enjoyed the scene, and because she went back to Woodman and then did a further 47 scenes she also must have enjoyed it, and with that Woodman passes into hero worship. But can you be totally sure that your infatuation is rightly justified?
You pick a girl up in a nightclub and ask her if she wants to go back to your flat, and she says no. Yes, you can try to talk her round (a gentleman wouldn't) and if she eventually says yes, then happy days.
BUT.
If you are a porn producer in a business, you are in a position of trust, especially when it comes to something as serious as sex. If you ask a model who is only at your casting to do fashion modelling if she would like to do hardcore sex and she says NO, Morally, it should be left at that. Anything that takes place AFTER that model says NO can be considered abuse or manipulation. You/we have absolutely no idea how Woodman got Wendy to say yes, you only judge your "master" on the results.
But she had to have enjoyed what she did, she had many orgasms and scratched his back right? I want to bet every single orgasm you had in your life you enjoyed, yes? I bet everyone who reads this enjoyed theirs too, you don't have an orgasm if you're not having fun.

I've mentioned this before but I think it was before you started posting so I'll cover it again because it's important to understand before you try to judge how someone enjoys something.
A survey in America found that 22% (and that's 22% who were brave enough to admit it, the figure is probably much higher) of violent rape victims (caused by strangers) had orgasms. The women said that in some cases the orgasms they had were the most intense they had ever had. The psychological trauma was that they believed that their own bodies had let them down. They orgasmed because of the body's natural reaction to stimulation not pleasure, do you think for one second that they would actually enjoy that experience?
That's a rather dramatic example and I'm certainly not saying Woodman has raped anyone, I don't believe (hope) he ever has. But I'm just showing you that just because someone "appears" to be having fun, it doesn't necessarily mean they are. All we have is a model who does not want to do hard-core sex saying NO ON CAMERA. You do not know how Woodman got them to say yes, he might have simply talked to them (still manipulation and wrong after saying "NO" the first time) or he might have bribed them with lots of money, or he might have even threatened them, we don't know, all we do know is that she initially said NO. As for the other 47 films. How do you know he didn't blackmail her into doing them? You don't know, all you know is that she initially said NO. The only way I could see Pierre prove that no wrongdoing has been done in his castings (particularly 1998-2017) would be to produce every BTS scene on his site showing that every model agreed BEFORE he even did the initial interviews that they would do hard-core sex on his site. Not only would that completely ruin him, but as we've seen "doxxx" has been asking for these FOR YEARS and probably paid Woodman thousands in the process, but even this weekend he is still ignored. Why do you think that might be? Yes, all those suggestions are very unlikely I hear you say, but when you put the many pieces of what Pierre Woodman says, what he shows on camera, and how he treats people you begin to see things that are not quite right. That is of course only true if you haven't been blinded by one single scene that you have become obsessed with.

So, yes, in answer to your remark that " such praise is not welcome here" until you or anyone else can prove otherwise it isn't.