Holy Lively Thread, Panorama! Just saw PW's comment(s),too!
Panorama wrote:. . . she said: "producers get you to do more and more extreme things". That to me says that she at least was "persuaded" to do things she didn't want to do. . . At least 2 of the women appearing with Woodman have since committed suicide. Now other factors have to be taken into account (boyfriends, family life etc) but the fact remains that someone, as experienced as Pierre Woodman, should know better and that his actions can have a significant impact on their lives. Unfortunately, as far as he is concerned (and he's admitted this on camera too) he doesn't care, as long as they're 18 they can make up their own minds what they want to do.
Thanks, lots of good points in your post. By the way, I have been waiting years to talk about this stuff. So I am just unbottling things! It is not my life's purpose or anything,
The producer/director tyrant thing has been around a long time. Obviously not applicable to every one of them, nor necessarily each one of them all the time, either. To me, and again Wendy is atypical, but Wendy was more in charge of the scenes than he was at times! Like PW is saying to himself, "This girl knows how to work it. Keep having a good time, dear!" "Do what you like!" I respected that attitude he had, especially in the beautiful second scene. She carried her own take-charge attitude over to some of her 14 scenes as "Roxie" at straponcum.com. At the site, "Karbo," who I think was the webmaster, said in the blog how "Roxie" would choreograph her own scenes. This was about 2010.
Here is a real surprise related to her at straponcum. I recently subscribed to the OF of Mia Mayblack, admittedly to maybe learn more about "Roxie." Mia worked with "Roxie" at straponcum. She said the girls were paid
$30 per scene! And not only that,
she said they were happy at the time to get it. She agreed that the camerawork was top-notch, too. The site, which I was a member of 4 times, offered videos at 50 fps, (around 2010) and the increased resolution of the new scenes from 540p to 720p coincided with the debut of "Roxie" at that site! (again around 2010) So a Win/Win.
But maybe it wasn't a coincidence after all. I think "Roxie" brings Beauty with her wherever she goes, even if she is starring in Beauty And The Beast! (twice!) She is quite tall, around 5'10", and has "presence." I see this especially in her Breakfast With Strap-on Maids scene at straponcum. Both she and Mia are the two models on the site's introductory trailer (still true today).
I do believe Mia was telling the truth about the money, because she referred to "Roxie" by the same name "Wendy" used when first being interviewed for the PW casting. That name was not "Wendy" nor "Roxie."
Thanks to "Wendy" being set free to be herself on that infamous couch, we eventually had 14 beautiful scenes with "Roxie," and an even greater number of beautiful scenes than that at 18onlygirls.com, where she was "Monica."
That all being said, it would have been nice if "Wendy" had been set free in a less-dramatic way, and by a less-controversial figure. But maybe only a PW would take the chances he did with her that allowed her to be herself. But
she, too, as you indicated for other models, later wanted her casting scene removed.I think an interesting question is whether, if I agreed not to watch the "Wendy" scenes because of PW, I should also not watch any of her subsequent other scenes, because they ultimately derived from the PW scenes, no matter how uncontroversial she herself and subsequent producers/directors might have been.
I am sorry that PW did not turn out to be a man to admire for you. There is this idea that each of us should try to be our own hero, even if it sounds arrogant. I watched his material to meet the girls, and not to meet him, to enjoy the girls, and not to enjoy him. I fully agree of course that anything coerced should not be viewed or supported in any way. I have only purchased the two Wendy scenes at his site. But I would still gladly have paid three times as much as I actually did.
I would like to give a contemporary example of some tricks used by some porn directors. I am an OF subscriber to a well-established pornstar who has been in the business since about 2003. She has more that 1000 paying subs, as best I can determine. She tells me things that are more personal than is typical, as we have corresponded for some time now.
I even bought the yellow dress she wore in one of my favorite recent scenes of hers! Just as a souvenir, and I was the one who made the suggestion. I asked her to add a touch of her favorite perfume, which she did. Kind of neat to have that connection when I open the bag I keep her dress in! Yes. I do crazy things at times.
She has said that if she did not have kids, she would be happy to kill herself. She also had two recent incidents of producers/directors telling her she had to do some "extra" things. Apparently a star can get blacklisted otherwise. She got really angry and in one instance, told me all about it right after she got a phone call from one of those guys. This would be like two days before the scheduled scene.
At the same time, there was another director she says she hates, but she likes the money, and yet tells me about how bad he is. She kept going back, even though (pre-covid) she could easily get work elsewhere.
Maybe she at least knows what to expect, something unpleasant being better than something unknown.She also said that her mother never told her that she loved her.
Her father was living under a bridge.