POLL: Compassion and true care for porn girls?

[Strictly LP]

Can I just say that this is a brilliant GIF. Can get lots of use out of it. Thanks.
On topic, - No, never (as per the majority voting).

[dap-addict]

Like the gif as well, but I honestly think it would be enough to burn the computer.

On topic: As also stated before, if you never met a porn girl in person, never talked to one on Skype or mail even, you may be unable to understand...and to care.

True compassion gets into the way of mere customer demands as soon as we get to know them personally (not the case for most of porn fans, though), read about their real life troubles or see them really struggling on set performing for us.

For me there were situations in the past - not with LP though - I even wished them to quit porn alltogether!
I think this is probabely the utmost compassion and care for a girl you basically still just wanna watch performing porn for you, but seeing her struggle you get the true and honest wish she just quit that biz and went back to her previous normal day job as a shop assistant, hair dresser etc, or even just get a hb and kids.

[magizi877]

Just for disclosure, I found the gif using Google.

I thought it was pretty funny considering this thread is going no where...

I think DAP-Addict spoiled himself by contacting the female performers as that takes away part of the fantasy.

Finally, the reason Why I mentioned other professions was because I didn't want my answer "no, never" to sound discriminatory towards sex workers.

Rather I wanted to explain that generally speaking, I just care about people close to me. Where "care" means I will do something to actually help them. And not just talk bullshit.

[dap-addict]

You are sure right about contacting some of them, magizi87.
I think this is the worst thing you can do to kill a fantasy, but look porn is not only fantasy but needs to be produced as well.
Problem with this poll sure is that most consumers have no personal contact with porn girls, thus all is just basically abstract. This however doesnt change the fact that its actually humans enacting on set what we wanna see - and sometimes it IS hard for them. Now I bet your relation to your favorite porn girls is emotionally closer than to the road workers at the corner where you live.

[dap-addict]

Here, btw, is the link to the Olivia Devine tears, see p. 1 of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=8182&p=61846&hilit=Olivia+Devine#p61846
As I said trouble really starts when you start talking to these porn girls personally. Film is a lot of fake of course.

Olivia Devine was just back working for LP in Prague Tue and Wed.
This shows the difference LP makes compared to other studios I think. It might be sometimes really hard for the girls, but its all under control and mutual.
Besides Olivia is such a tender cutie, such an emotional girl would sure not come back if anything ever went wrong on her set in Prague. Tears yes, but good work first!

[odysseusrex]

DAP Addcit, we are talking in circles my friend and I am foolishly feeding this discussion by responding I know. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT PORN ACTRESSES. I PAY MONEY TO PORN SITES SO I CAN JERK OFF TO THEM HAVING SEX. Enough said already. What is the point of all this discussion?...do you feel better about posting this thread as some measure of guilt about your own feelings? Please don't respond to that.

If too many people think like you, there will be regulation of porn.
Of course it's produced as fantasy, but for the girls, it's work. And like any work, they should be able to do it without being harmed.
That's not to say that boundaries shouldn't be pushed: look at kink.com - that's pretty hardcore, but they make sure no one has any regrets afterwards because they have good working practices. And they're based in SF, where there's a lot of sex-positive feminism (e.g. see Lorelei Lee who works for/with them), so there's none of this 'she's a whore, she signed up for it' rubbish. Agents should make sure the girls know exactly what they're going to be doing, or else they're not doing their job.

As for 'they're not in my social circle, so I don't care about them' - that's just uncivilised. Are we seeing why there's a difference between eastern European and western European attitudes to migrants, right there?

[danthefan73]

Compassion and care for anybody includes respecting this person's wishes and decisions in his or her life.

Imposing your wishes and your will on another adult is not only disrespectful, but it's also wrong. Because this is doing unto others something you wouldn't want to be done to yourself.

The only situation where it might be appropriate to impose your wishes and your will on another person, is when you are a legal guardian of a person, who is mentally incompetent to make his own or her own decisions, either because of young age, or mental disability.

In the past, western societies treated women as mentally incompetent children. That's why women weren't allowed to vote, and women had to ask their father's or husband's permission to work outside of their home.

But now women have equal rights with men. Which means that you need to respect women's wishes and decisions the same way you would want your wishes and decisions respected by others.

[dap-addict]

Almost philosophical again, dan, but what do you wanna say?
And: How is this related to my initial question, page 1, 1st post?

[danthefan73]

Almost philosophical again, dan, but what do you wanna say?
And: How is this related to my initial question, page 1, 1st post?

My point is that it's not for porn-fans to wish whether the porn-star should leave the porn-business or not.

This is for her to decide. And it's not our business to interfere with her decisions.

Because so called 'compassion' for sex-workers is often what motives government authorities to arrest them and throw them in jail along with their customers. This is an Orwellian kind of political propaganda against sex-workers, rather than real compassion.

[dap-addict]

Ok, now I understand! Thats a very good point you make, dan!
But as I mentioned in the first post, I didnt ask to give the anti-porners, and most gvt. are against porn, a forum here. Its not about that! Its also of course not me to decide wheter a girl should maybe just better leave this biz because it looks too hard for her etc. Its HER to decide and only her! Still I ment it as the highest sacrifice a fan can probabely want for his porn girls, i.e. burring his dreams with her retirement. Anyway, its again one of those threads aiming at coming away from thise high nose up "whore"-do-that-for-me-no-matter-at-what-cost-for-your-body--because-I-pay attitude.

[dap-addict]

Re-reading that poll I think I might have asked the wrong poll question.
Anyway, I also see it was 55% and not 50% only.

[leroiosoleil83]

There are countless scenes in which I've felt sorry for the female performer... I'm not going to post links, because they're all too easy to find, but... the "surprise anal" scenes in which the female performer is obviously in a great deal of pain. Also the "I hate cumshots" scenes, in which the performer is emotionally effected by what she's just done. =( Really, a lot of guys take it as comedy, but I find it very sad.

As for true compassion - is it odd that I feel compassion for my favorite stars after seeing their cumshot compilations? I mean really... you see them and realize "wow, she was an 18 year old beauty with her whole life in front of her, who could pursue any field... but... she ended up as such a cum dumpster that she filled 2 hours+ of video with nothing else than receiving random men's orgasms". Don't know if anyone else has had this thought... but I sure have. (Yet I keep watching porn, haha... what's wrong with me? )

[dap-addict]

Isnt that cumshot compilations thing just pathetic, leroi?
I mean immagine you could watch them with all their bfs and all their after partying one-night stands between 18 and 19 only,, what would you feel? The cumshot compilations compared to that are just parts of their job assignements, just a really small part of their life in between, end of workday pics basically just a few minutes before they got payed a fair amount of cash.

[Perenini]

Never.

[Oldshark]

I don't presume to be in a position to second-guess the performers' career choices, made by them freely as consenting adults.

[magizi877]

They really should archive old threads

[dap-addict]

Isnt that cumshot compilations thing just pathetic, leroi?
I mean immagine you could watch them with all their bfs and all their after partying one-night stands between 18 and 19 only,, what would you feel? The cumshot compilations compared to that are just parts of their job assignements, just a really small part of their life in between, end of workday pics basically just a few minutes before they got payed a fair amount of cash.

Just heard Katrin Tequila explain how she starts to cry when cum flies in her eyes and how much it really hurts her. And to be honest I felt sorry for her. nShe seems to like her porn job so, thus I am happy with her!
Really hard DAP?, she says. It just is, I just perform it, may hurt a bit, but so what. Russian girl attitude, I'd say!

[aquin]

I think this poll lightens up a question I had in the beginning with Legalporn very often. But finally I reach the conclusion that most of the females here are OK with the treatment. I can only assume this, that's for sure, but I review the respective scene a lot with the focus on the interaction. For me this is very important since I follow the DAP train which is as itself a challenge.
Thanks to LP that the are giving more and more BTS additionally to the scene. This is a source for deeper insights. Unfortunately it's always very complicated to contact a performer to learn more. I understand that, but it would help. Anyway, I keep my eyes open.

aquin

[mistress_cindy2008]

nobody is forcing them to do these scenes. And like it or not, some women actually enjoy rough sex and the thrill of pushing themselves beyond their limits (me included). Even if something hurts or is hard, there is an emotional and mental thrill of "achieving " and putting on a great performance

Dont feel bad for anyone in porn because they can chose to leave. Most of these girls at LP are pretty enough they can get work in porn doing simple BG scenes or even vaginal only. So, the reason they do these scenes is they pay well and they are willing and ready to perform in them. Its all about adults making choices.

[BumpinUgleez]

nobody is forcing them to do these scenes. And like it or not, some women actually enjoy rough sex and the thrill of pushing themselves beyond their limits (me included). Even if something hurts or is hard, there is an emotional and mental thrill of "achieving " and putting on a great performance

Dont feel bad for anyone in porn because they can chose to leave. Most of these girls at LP are pretty enough they can get work in porn doing simple BG scenes or even vaginal only. So, the reason they do these scenes is they pay well and they are willing and ready to perform in them. Its all about adults making choices.

Totally agree. Compassion is good as the girls are all human obviously. But I think we have all occasionally fallen into the trap of feeling 'too much' compassion by believing the media that shames them and tells us that all girls are treated badly, forced into it or aren't really liking it. Like you say, they're grown adults and can make their own choices in life and not children that need wrapping in cotton wool. If it's not for them, they can simply change what they perform, work for a different studio or choose another career.

Not that difficult really.

[joao dasilva]

I am sorry but if you are human you will feel for these women at times because they are human beings. That being said do we feel for guys in MMA getting their brains beaten beyond repair? Not really they made the choice to get in the ring. In this day and age with the internet, it takes literally five minutes to see what kind of porn every director does and what your body will be subjected to when you do this work. Even young teenagers have access to internet.

[dap-addict]

I think this poll lightens up a question I had in the beginning with Legalporn very often. But finally I reach the conclusion that most of the females here are OK with the treatment. I can only assume this, that's for sure, but I review the respective scene a lot with the focus on the interaction. For me this is very important since I follow the DAP train which is as itself a challenge.
Thanks to LP that the are giving more and more BTS additionally to the scene. This is a source for deeper insights. Unfortunately it's always very complicated to contact a performer to learn more. I understand that, but it would help. Anyway, I keep my eyes open.

Most imposant is to know there is always the safe word "STOP!" and its respected always.
Some years ago I fell into the trap to talk to an ex of a porn girl pretending he was her and claiming bs as it turned out later, complete bs about a gonzo director.
I think there is enough LP girls very open about their work in Prague recently, its easy to get a picture and not get fooled today.

[Albandyou]

Yes, Kira Roller for example.

[dap-addict]

Yes, Kira Roller for example.

Please explain!
Is anything wrong with her?
All her vlogs and stuff point in the opposite direction, like she really liked that job and even if hard sometimes she wants to get better and perform what GIO demands.

[OnlyWatchesAnal]

It's acting and they're paid for it. If they can't handle it, they should be in a different line of work.

[drevokocur66]

It's acting and they're paid for it. If they can't handle it, they should be in a different line of work.

I agree.

[dap-addict]

Agree, generally.
But not that easy in some rare cases.
Some do it because they think they have to or because they are influenced strongly. They arent able to use porn as a way to free themselves. Its all a way to go of course. Just saying.

Anyway, sb mentioned Kira Roller as a porn girl he'd sth wish to retire. But he didn't care to say why.

[Gary-Goo]

Look, the girls know whom they are going to work for, no?!
Also they can always say "stop! it!" And pro studio like LP asks them all the time if its still ok. Dont know that deepthroat site but I doubt they dont do the same.

This is exactly correct.

[Angel Eyes]

"Did you ever wish a porn girl to quit that biz because performing on set seemed too hard for her?"

I am shocked and saddened that 65% of responses were in the NO column.

I don't understand how anyone can enjoy a scene knowing the girl is clearly in over her head, uncomfortable and clearly not cut out for performing.

To me, this boils down to compassion. The girls are human beings with all the rich complexities we all experience of personal lives, goals, interests and relationships. They are not pieces of meat without feelings.

[drevokocur66]

"Did you ever wish a porn girl to quit that biz because performing on set seemed too hard for her?"

I am shocked and saddened that 65% of responses were in the NO column.

I don't understand how anyone can enjoy a scene knowing the girl is clearly in over her head, uncomfortable and clearly not cut out for performing.

To me, this boils down to compassion. The girls are human beings with all the rich complexities we all experience of personal lives, goals, interests and relationships. They are not pieces of meat without feelings.

[drevokocur66]

"Did you ever wish a porn girl to quit that biz because performing on set seemed too hard for her?"

I am shocked and saddened that 65% of responses were in the NO column.

I don't understand how anyone can enjoy a scene knowing the girl is clearly in over her head, uncomfortable and clearly not cut out for performing.

To me, this boils down to compassion. The girls are human beings with all the rich complexities we all experience of personal lives, goals, interests and relationships. They are not pieces of meat without feelings.

Compassion for what? These girls do this for money. Plain and simple. They could make much less in Lidl as a cashier, but they don't. All people are human beings,and I have just as much compassion for a porn girl as I do for a postal worker or any other profession. You don't like your job? Quit.

[dap-addict]

Compassion for what? These girls do this for money. Plain and simple. They could make much less in Lidl as a cashier, but they don't. All people are human beings,and I have just as much compassion for a porn girl as I do for a postal worker or any other profession. You don't like your job? Quit.

Its not quite Lidl or Tesco casher, because that casher we just pay for the foodstuff and goods we were shopping, a porn girl we pay via LP membership and tickets directly for what she performs for us. Of course she can leave that job, but the better she feels doing it the better job she does directly for us.
Also many of these girls communicate with those fans who care to do so on social media, they adopt some of their wishes if possible in the frame of their LP work.

[dap-addict]

Very actual question:
After HIV craze and EU porn production shutdown for many weeks, could your compassion for a fave LP girl(s) could go as far as wanting her to perform condoms only in the future?
i.e. its not the OP question about wanting her to leave porn altogether, but go condom only for her own health - well aware of the fact that condoms by no means solve all threats.

[pornlover_holland]

Very actual question:
After HIV craze and EU porn production shutdown for many weeks, could your compassion for a fave LP girl(s) could go as far as wanting her to perform condoms only in the future?
i.e. its not the OP question about wanting her to leave porn altogether, but go condom only for her own health - well aware of the fact that condoms by no means solve all threats.

Condoms can't be used in porn in my opinion. Most porn viewers want to see porn without condoms. When you are a pornstar you have to accept that.

[dap-addict]

Also your very favorite porn girl?
Imagine you fell in porn-"love" with her?
Imagine you talk with her regularly on social media and she is just soon scared now?
...but you want her to perform new sex scenes. Or not?

[dap-addict]

Only now I realized this poll is still running after 3 1/2 years!
Cool!

[Nishantdas6789]

I sometimes feel pity and cry for them except the tears come out of my dick.

[dap-addict]

Just found this, one of my oldest threads I think, and reading back its a lot of naivity in my own posts. The most important is the safe word STOP!, which is regarded by all decent productions. Girls in Prague get clearly told about it, especially complete rookies, others already know where they are. And if a girl asks for a break, even the 10th or 20th time this is respected and all crew waits for her to be ready to shoot again.
Thus the OP question of a really compassionate fan to wish for his fave girls leaving porn even is not linked with production as such, but outside factors. It pops up with pregnancy and than organization of baby sitting after the girls come back to pursue their porn career. Or in that most recent case of Mary Jane who got ulcerite cancer diagnosed, but still went on porn work tour to Prg and Bp.
Even here I'd say, she knows best what she needs and if porn work distracts her than thats it what she had to do. Do I want her to leave? No, I want her to get treated successfully and to come back!

Shows how much of a truly realistic view of porn shootings and our girls work motivations I've got now! Peace of a than tormented mind having talked too much with porn girls directly.
And who wants to leave has to leave that's all, thinking back of Kira Roller.

[dap-addict]

The most important is the safe word STOP!, which is regarded by all decent productions. Girls in Prague get clearly told about it, especially complete rookies, others already know where they are.

Maybe this is sort of an International Women's Day thread to reactivate now?
Maybe majority of votes would be caring and compassion meanwhile?
Sustainable ethic porn production support?

Well payed sex acts instead of cheap rides!
True liberation letting women past 18yo earn their own living, be independent and live their life the way they want!

[otto1219]

I chose never, not because I do not have compassion for another human being, but because I believe the girls have free will, even if in extenuating and difficult circumstances, and don't have to perform.
There are many girls that we see one or two times and then no more, suggesting that they changed their mind about performing.

Why wouldn't/couldn't the same question be asked of the male participants?

I do care about all the ink that is on so many, including what are thought to be, perhaps erroneously, gang symbols. If not forced to have them, let's assume they are not forced, but imagine how they will look when they are older. Tattoos don't age well at all, especially on parts that sag with age.