We are removing free tickets

[TheVulture]

If anything it is a reload that should give the extra tickets to encourage people to spend more and buy more tickets, whereas this mentality actually discourages it.

For it to make more financial sense for a person to run two or three consecutive memberships should immediately flag up that something is very wrong.

I get what you mean but the membership tickets have always been slightly better value than the reloads (in my case 35 tickets for £23 as opposed to 20 tickets for about £14). So this is just increasing that ratio.

I think setting up multiple accounts is pretty bad form really as you're trying to maximise the pay off from a "join up" offer but I guess the possibility is there. I would imagine that LP don't mind as if they're making that offer to any number of individuals then what do they care if bunches of these "individuals" are actually a few of the same individuals? To them it's just a number of accounts at a rate that they're presumably happy with.

If they increase the ratio on the reloads then potentially the membership allocations start to look stingy so people will join, reload like mad and then cancel (and repeat). It's thus quite correct that the allocation you get as a member represents the best reward and value, isn't it?

[Sir Noel]

I reload 120 tickets most months. Is it bad form I spend three or four times as much as someone on a full plan who never reloads?
Ok, If xxx or anyone at LP thinks so it is fine, they can say so and I will limit myself to the 48 tickets a month and soare them my extra purchases.

I am not sure about your always been better value claim. My 90 day plan was for 120 tickets and a reload was for 120 tickets. There was no difference, except for the free tickets I never used because they are really only an extra for members who have not been here for years.

Free tickets and now this. It seems LP really does treat new members and members who spend less a little bit better than those who spend more. Any business would tell you that is back to front.

[dap-addict]

You can only reload when you have less than 10 tickets left, so how would this be possible?

If you want the security of memberships then adding the 20% to the reload as well makes memberships MORE attractive not LESS.

Same here, dont understand what xxx is hinting at here:

No that's not false you could grab a 3 months membership to get he highest discount, reload as much as you want, and dump the membership. This is what people used to do.

I have a 120tkt 3mt member ship as you have SirNoel and I dont get all the changes anymore. So far I didn't upgrade to 144tkt/mt (?) but kept the free tkt deal.
Just too confused about it all.

Anyway, indeed new customers seem to be treated better than loyal ones and also better than those buying a lot of LP scenes.

[Wotan29]

Apart from all the confusion who gets when how many tickets, what about reloading, new customers vs loyal customers etc. (which is some kind of marketing desaster), nobody is really questioning WHY they removed the free tickets system. For me this is the reason: The death of the free tickets system came almost simultaneously with the flooding of old scenes. LP wants to sell all this Glamporn, DDF, Mike Adriano etc. shit scenes (some of them up to 10 years old!) for about 2 premium tickets (so silly!). If the free tickets system would still be alive, who the fuck would buy those old scenes (mostly just 30 minutes) for premium tickets when he can get 2 years old premium LP scenes (mostly up to 60 minutes) for free tickets... So in fact this Glamporn shit does not only make the "New Scenes" site confusing (not to mention all the "porn juniors" who annoy in models threads, because they don´t understand anymore, which models are still active and which are not, which models are LP models or not) and ruins the brand essence of LP ... no, it killed the free tickets sytem, too.

[xxx]

Apart from all the confusion who gets when how many tickets, what about reloading, new customers vs loyal customers etc. (which is some kind of marketing desaster), nobody is really questioning WHY they removed the free tickets system. For me this is the reason: The death of the free tickets system came almost simultaneously with the flooding of old scenes. LP wants to sell all this Glamporn, DDF, Mike Adriano etc. shit scenes (some of them up to 10 years old!) for about 2 premium tickets (so silly!). If the free tickets system would still be alive, who the fuck would buy those old scenes (mostly just 30 minutes) for premium tickets when he can get 2 years old premium LP scenes (mostly up to 60 minutes) for free tickets... So in fact this Glamporn shit does not only make the "New Scenes" site confusing (not to mention all the "porn juniors" who annoy in models threads, because they don´t understand anymore, which models are still active and which are not, which models are LP models or not) and ruins the brand essence of LP ... no, it killed the free tickets sytem, too.

1/ free tickets are NOT payments. Studios want to get paid you know, not with air.
2/ lots of people buy the extra scenes we release. If you don't like it shut up or get banned. Sick of hearing people like you thinking they know what everyone else wants.

[xxx]

While I am here let me inform you that we will most likely remove tickets completely in the near future and have real $$$ prices instead and discounts for members etc. We will also simplify the whole process of buying scenes.

[Homo*_*Eroticus]

WHY they removed the free tickets system. For me this is the reason: The death of the free tickets system came almost simultaneously with the flooding of old scenes. LP wants to sell all this Glamporn, DDF, Mike Adriano etc. shit scenes (some of them up to 10 years old!) for about 2 premium tickets (so silly!).If the free tickets system would still be alive, who the fuck would buy those old scenes (mostly just 30 minutes) for premium tickets.....

The problem involved the members who joined the site after 1st August, the others will enjoy the free tickets (indefinitely?!?) till they won't stop the membership!

So the fresh members are not so much favorited by this new LP politics!

While I am here let me inform you that we will most likely remove tickets completely in the near future and have real $$$ prices instead and discounts for members etc. We will also simplify the whole process of buying scenes.

So .. .. too many changes for so little time, I have a headache!

[TheVulture]

While I am here let me inform you that we will most likely remove tickets completely in the near future and have real $$$ prices instead and discounts for members etc. We will also simplify the whole process of buying scenes.

Personally I would say leave the ticket system in place and crack on with the removing free tickets thing. I love the way the ticketing thing works and have done from day one of joining.

I typed a really long defence of the system the other night but then when I hit post the site briefly crashed and it was lost forever. Bah! The gist anyway was that I absolutely don't get why some members are whingeing about reloads not having the same value as the membership allowance. It makes total sense that you're trying to hook us with great new content and get us to spend more and that this additional spending should be slightly over and above the membership rate. I've already used my membership allowance for this month just a few days in but will definitely reload. When I do I won't think "What a rip-off that I'm paying more for these than the membership tickets!" but rather "How great that there are still more scenes that I want!" As long as the reloads still represent good value then why complain? It's win-win and I understand the trade off, which is that the better value tickets keep me as a member so I will see new scenes and likely want more. Sure I can wait for the next batch of membership tickets if bitching about the reload price is my thing but try telling my aching balls that!

If the reloads were better value than the membership allowance then you'd feel ripped off by remaining a member. Sure I get that you have to be a member to reload but still. It wouldn't feel right, whereas gobbling up the membership allowance and still wanting more (and paying a little more for that) does feel right. It's a reward for yourself and also to LP for giving such good content. Win-win.

If you do go with a cash price thing I'd be OK with it but only if the prices are proportionate to what the tickets are now. And I dunno, I just think something might be lost. I like that I might take a punt on something now if it's for "tickets" and I'll still have some left afterwards, whereas if it's a rigid case of "spend or don't spend" I might be less likely to take that risk. Worth bearing in mind.

Haters gonna hate anyway. Do what you think is right for you and your customers but don't let a few noisy naysayers chase you away from a really good pricing system.

[Sir Noel]

So this guy called The Vulture walks into his local store.

He sees a 4 pack of cans of coke for 2 euros. 50 cents per can. He loves this brand of coke. He has tried the brand before.

He decides he wants even more cans of coke. He is in luck. They have a 20 pack of coke for 15 euros. 75 cents per can. He decides to buy the 20 pack and pay more per can. It makes perfect sense to him that the more cans of coke he buys the more he ought to pay per can as a "reward" for having the wonderful opportunity to buy so many cans of coke.

Meanwhile the other 7 billion people in the world expect to pay less per unit the more units they buy and, fortunately, every single company (except bizarrely one central european porn company) seem to understand the same principle.

[tekaneo]

While I am here let me inform you that we will most likely remove tickets completely in the near future and have real $$$ prices instead and discounts for members etc. We will also simplify the whole process of buying scenes.

So you basically wants ppl play for example the 6.43€ that a scene costs in € or a normal 5Tks scene without discounts?????????????? You are crazy or am i understanding it wrong? So if Giorgio releases 30 scenes/monts x 6€ you need 180€/month for all his scenes not counting Gonzo/AA... I hope im really wrong with it because if its is true you know whos going to pay 6€ for a single scene right? At least me no

Can you explain it better? because this is so confused and im sure 90% hardcore buyers will leave your site as soon it is implemented.

[Sir Noel]

I assume xxx will lower the prices per scene to a similar level as the ticket cost now (though I assume the more scenes you buy the more you will have to pay per scene as a "reward" for his biggest customers).
I think it is a poorly thought out idea though. Tickets seperate the point of cash transaction from the impulse of buying the scenes. As it stands it costs me around £0.50 per ticket so in sterling a 5 ticket scene is costing me £2.50. Point is, I never see it as that. I see £60 for what seems like a lot of tickets and then 5 tickets here and 5 tickets there seems like nothing. Now, if you put it in my face that this one scene will cost me £2.50 I can tell you I will be less likely to click to buy it. 4 scenes and I have spent £10 on porn. For 4 scenes. Wow.
Being serious, xxx may be doing some of us a favour because we spend too much here!

[magizi877]

So this guy called The Vulture walks into his local store.

He sees a 4 pack of cans of coke for 2 euros. 50 cents per can. He loves this brand of coke. He has tried the brand before.

He decides he wants even more cans of coke. He is in luck. They have a 20 pack of coke for 15 euros. 75 cents per can. He decides to buy the 20 pack and pay more per can. It makes perfect sense to him that the more cans of coke he buys the more he ought to pay per can as a "reward" for having the wonderful opportunity to buy so many cans of coke.

Meanwhile the other 7 billion people in the world expect to pay less per unit the more units they buy and, fortunately, every single company (except bizarrely one central european porn company) seem to understand the same principle.

haha, nailed it.

[dpconnoisseur1]

While I am here let me inform you that we will most likely remove tickets completely in the near future and have real $$$ prices instead and discounts for members etc. We will also simplify the whole process of buying scenes.

+1

[dap-addict]

While I am here let me inform you that we will most likely remove tickets completely in the near future and have real $$$ prices instead and discounts for members etc. We will also simplify the whole process of buying scenes.

What will happen with free tickets some of us still have?

[TheVulture]

So this guy called The Vulture walks into his local store.

He sees a 4 pack of cans of coke for 2 euros. 50 cents per can. He loves this brand of coke. He has tried the brand before.

He decides he wants even more cans of coke. He is in luck. They have a 20 pack of coke for 15 euros. 75 cents per can. He decides to buy the 20 pack and pay more per can. It makes perfect sense to him that the more cans of coke he buys the more he ought to pay per can as a "reward" for having the wonderful opportunity to buy so many cans of coke.

Meanwhile the other 7 billion people in the world expect to pay less per unit the more units they buy and, fortunately, every single company (except bizarrely one central european porn company) seem to understand the same principle.

Porn is not a "pile it high and sell it low" concept like ordinary foodstuffs. LP are giving you the high value membership offer and then charging additional tickets at an ordinary (note: not inflated) price. I really do not see what is so difficult to grasp about this concept.

A better comparison would be a nightclub allowing punters entry at a discounted rate, say, the first Saturday of every month. Would you then turn up on one of the other 3 Saturdays that month and bitch that they weren't applying the discounted rate? You would either pay the normal rate because you really like the nightclub or be a cheapskate and wait for the next offer Saturday (assuming they continue to offer this, which they might not).

LP could easily remove the membership tickets and simply charge for flat rate reloads only. That would be perfectly valid. That they don't and instead give us a better value ticket boost when our membership renews should be a cause for praise and not incessant (and ultimately baseless) criticism.

[TheVulture]

4 scenes and I have spent £10 on porn. For 4 scenes. Wow.

Assuming they are good quality scenes that you like that is tremendous value IMHO. I was brought up on the £20 porn DVD that might be an hour and a half and typically have 5 or 6 scenes, usually only half (at best) of which I really liked.

I have had a few issues with LP in my 3 years or so of on-and-off membership but value is not one of them.

[Sir Noel]

If I visit a nightclub as a random person turning up I pick and choose what days I visit and pay the rate on the day.
However, if they had membership scheme I most certainly would not expect to have to pay more per visit the more times I visited!!!! What kind of a stupid membership scheme wouod that be that rather than rewarded members coming along more often actually penalised them?
And bullshit with this "pile em high, sell em low", I guarantee you if you walk into a Rolls Royce dealership and agree to buy ten cars they will charge you LESS per car and not say "sorry sir, if you buy more than one car we have to charge you more per car". Or are Rolls Royce "pile em high sell em low" now?
Effectively the raw membership cost IS the baseline cost. Just as the cost of buying a can of coke IS the baseline cost. Just like the cost of buying one Rolls Royce IS the baseline cost.
Buy anything you like across the planet and if you offer to put in a big order you will get a discount per unit item. At the very very worst you will only get a flat rate (same cost per item as initial cost per item). Don't try and make out that you will get charged more per unti because it just doesn't work like that.
Let me ask you: I think xxx owns Bang Bros and DDF now. Do you think an annual membership there costs less per month than a monthly membership or more? I realise you'd expect to pay more per month for the awesome privilege of committing to an annual membership but the rest of the world would expect a bulk discount. And they would get one.

[magizi877]

The way I see it, is that the market share becomes bigger and bigger the more you can drop prices.

(more people can afford it) In the food industry for instance, the raise of carbohydrates made food super cheap.
(And super unhealthy, lol.)

And it becomes smaller and smaller the more you increase prices.

(less people can afford it) That's why you almost never see a super car, like a ferrari.

Staying in the car business as the analogy, who makes more money? the companies that sell cheap cars,
like Ford, VW or Toyota, or the companies that sell super expensive cars like Ferrari, Porche, etc.

(Spoilers!, it's the cheaper cars that makes the most money)

The difference is measured in billions, btw.

The only caveat is that you don't' want to drop prices to the point that you have to sacrifice the quality of service or product.

There are anti-monopoly laws, that protect small business against big enterprises that can lower their prices, long enough,
to break their competition. But I don't think such laws exist to protect porn productions. I dunno, tho.

[magizi877]

also just googled "sites with the most traffic", and Xvideos, which offers free content,
is ranked within the top 20 sites of the world.

Probably makes tons of money.

As far as I remember, XXX owns that one too.

[pastaga]

Ticket system works well, I don't get the point to change it.


Another point : GTFcharge now has a one-click payment feature. Yesterday I clicked the reload option to check the price, and had the surprise to have a payment automatically processed. It's OK, tokens aren't lost, but there should be at least one confirmation screen.
Also looks like it's impossible to completely remove your credit card, the best you can do is removing that one-click payment. I dont like to have my credit card informations stored on a website, so I asked the support for removal... Older system was better.

[xxx]

The way I see it, is that the market share becomes bigger and bigger the more you can drop prices.

(more people can afford it) In the food industry for instance, the raise of carbohydrates made food super cheap.
(And super unhealthy, lol.)

And it becomes smaller and smaller the more you increase prices.

(less people can afford it) That's why you almost never see a super car, like a ferrari.

Staying in the car business as the analogy, who makes more money? the companies that sell cheap cars,
like Ford, VW or Toyota, or the companies that sell super expensive cars like Ferrari, Porche, etc.

(Spoilers!, it's the cheaper cars that makes the most money)

The difference is measured in billions, btw.

The only caveat is that you don't' want to drop prices to the point that you have to sacrifice the quality of service or product.

There are anti-monopoly laws, that protect small business against big enterprises that can lower their prices, long enough,
to break their competition. But I don't think such laws exist to protect porn productions. I dunno, tho.

That's exactly what we are doing by increasing premium tickets in membership and adding monthly packs. Making the site more affordable.

[TheVulture]

Let me ask you: I think xxx owns Bang Bros and DDF now. Do you think an annual membership there costs less per month than a monthly membership or more? I realise you'd expect to pay more per month for the awesome privilege of committing to an annual membership but the rest of the world would expect a bulk discount. And they would get one.

That's exactly how LP works. A monthly membership is more expensive per month than 3 monthly and 3 monthly is more expensive per month than annual. So you get a discount for staying longer but also of course you're committed to paying more over the longer term.

Exact same with reloads - per ticket you pay proportionately less the more you buy but obviously buying more means more outlay. Due to my budget and porn "needs" (ha!) I take monthly membership and only reload between 20 and 40 tickets a month so I could save money by committing to longer membership, something I might do if the current quality of scenes remains.

It's not difficult and for some reason you're not grasping the need for LP to reward members for renewing. If it was simply a case of reduction in prices the more you spend then people would join, bulk buy and cancel their membership, which would mean LP wouldn't be able to hook them in with new scenes. Part of the LP model is making people stick around for at least a bit out of obligation. That's valid and you know it's part of the deal when you sign up.

[Sir Noel]

Vulture.
What are you talking about? Please explain how you could "bulk buy" with reloads when it is only possible to reload ONCE when your ticket count drops below 10?

Second, you say reloading makes it cheaper per ticket. This is a lie.
No reloads over 3 months = £61 for 144 tickets = £0.43 per ticket
If you were a super customer and reload every month you pay £244 for 504 tickets = £0.48 per ticket. You are paying 10% more per ticket for being a customer willing to soend four times more.
What part of this are you failing to understand?

[dap-addict]

However it be, abolishing the whole ticket idea will almost certainly benefit heavy consumers now re-loading a lot to meet their porn needs.

This said, I am still a fan of the ticket system as it makes porn productions more transparent and thought us that more studs cost more and more demanding porn acts, too.
A flat rate system like DDF makes a 1on1 pussy only scene look the same like the very rare 3on1 DAP scene. It also makes russian newbies look like they work for the same as US stars.
Now you could say producers costs arnt the business of simple consumers anyway, but the old LP ticket system created something special, some special loyalty and understanding.
I shall miss that, even though it will probably be much cheaper for me, those around genuin 50+ LP scenes I need per month.

[TrustMeImADoctor]

While I am here let me inform you that we will most likely remove tickets completely in the near future and have real $$$ prices instead and discounts for members etc. We will also simplify the whole process of buying scenes.

Seems like a no-brainer

[TrustMeImADoctor]

I run a consulting firm specializing in using analytics to increase company's client base and I'd be interested in running the numbers on LP to see what could be done to increase profits while actually providing their best products and features instead of reaching for slim margins on recycled scenes that can be brand damaging. Is there an email I could submit a prospectus to? I spend thousands on these presentations metrics and softwares and give prospectus for free.

[TheVulture]

Vulture.
What are you talking about? Please explain how you could "bulk buy" with reloads when it is only possible to reload ONCE when your ticket count drops below 10?

You just reload then buy scenes then reload again, don't you? I don't normally reload more than once per month but I have done it before.

Second, you say reloading makes it cheaper per ticket. This is a lie.
No reloads over 3 months = £61 for 144 tickets = £0.43 per ticket
If you were a super customer and reload every month you pay £244 for 504 tickets = £0.48 per ticket. You are paying 10% more per ticket for being a customer willing to soend four times more.
What part of this are you failing to understand?

I'm not disputing your numbers based on that angle of analysis. What I'm saying is that your angle is not the correct one from which to look at it.

Consider the nightclub analogy again. Say once a month the club gives a discounted entry and 2 free drinks vouchers. Clearly, then, the best value option would be just to go once a month and only have 2 drinks. But if you like the club the chances are you'll go more often and have more than 2 drinks on the offer night. Do you complain when paying in the other 3 Saturdays or when buying your 3rd and subsequent drinks on the offer night? Should you get further discounts for visiting more often and buying lots more drinks? Not really. That attitude is bad form, isn't it?

The reason LP use that model is that much like the nightclub the bulk of their income is made from enticing you with stuff once you're through the door. You get a special offer for walking through the door but not for subsequent purchases. That's why your coke analogy doesn't fit. You either buy that or you don't and you know right away how much you want. LP is more like a nightclub experience in that your spending habits will vary dependent on how good a time your having. It's not a physical product so much as an "experience".

Does that make sense?

[Sir Noel]

Your new nighclub analogy is flawed because the nightclub membership is only being paid once. One payment = one discounted night. What is happening here is the nightclub member is "reloading" their membership during their month (paying the membership fee again) but then not getting the membership discount again.
In actual fact, the coke analogy I made was apt but I probably chose the wrong kind of coke because the one group of sellers who DO use this business model are drugs dealers, enticing people with free samples until they are hooked on an expwnsive habit. Now I won't be silly, this is not quite what is happening here as the differences are small.

Anyway, I now have my 96 tickets per month and that will be my limit. My personal decision is not to reload as it makes me feel like I am being regarded as less for being one of the best customers than someone who spends 1/4 as much. We all have our rights, xxx to set his prices as he wishes and us to reload or not.

PS: Still want you to explain how people could take advantage and keep reloading to bulk buy then cancel their membership? How can you ever get more than 129 tickets in your account via reloads??? And even if you could why would it matter? If I buy €1000 worth if tickets on jan 1st and it lasts me all year or 1/12 of that amount each monthh throughout the year the only difference is whose bank account the money is sat in the longest.

[Giorgio Grandi]

The example with Coke is absurd.
12 years ago a Coke in a top club in Milan would cost you 6 euro. The club probably bough the coke for less than 1 euro with a estimate production cost (now) for each can of 0.01575$ (info I grabbed online).
So the selling price in the club is about 400 time the production cost.
If you get 10%, 20% or even 30% discount in the club, the club still have a fuck of a profit. On porn the production cost of a single scene doesnt give a profit equal to 400 time the investment, not even 0.5 times (means that with a production cost of 4000, to have 2000 profit in average is pure utopia for fuck sake.

[dap-addict]

On porn the production cost of a single scene doesnt give a profit equal to 400 time the investment, not even 0.5 times (means that with a production cost of 4000, to have 2000 profit in average is pure utopia for fuck sake.

On the bottom line porn has to be profitable for all directors and studios involved.
With such a small profit margin you can't take risks anymore!
Which backlashes on new girls as well as porn fans.
Fees got too expensive, cheap Russian supply broke down by monopolization and all we discuss here is bs compared to the real problems dedicated porn directors face today!

To be honest I gladly pay my 3mt fee and re-charge when I run out of tickets for the price offered, even if it might have flaws.
This said of course I would expect xxx to grant heavy consumer longterm users some fair benefits - also in the future.

[dap-addict]

Btw, just noticed this was my 11000 post here - and I am glad it went for something that really matters, not just vain model wishes.

[Sir Noel]

The example with Coke is absurd.
12 years ago a Coke in a top club in Milan would cost you 6 euro. The club probably bough the coke for less than 1 euro with a estimate production cost (now) for each can of 0.01575$ (info I grabbed online).
So the selling price in the club is about 400 time the production cost.
If you get 10%, 20% or even 30% discount in the club, the club still have a fuck of a profit. On porn the production cost of a single scene doesnt give a profit equal to 400 time the investment, not even 0.5 times (means that with a production cost of 4000, to have 2000 profit in average is pure utopia for fuck sake.

What is absurd is your response because it has nothing to do with the analogy. Nowhere was there a discussion on relative profit margins or the suggestion that Coke (and I discussed cans of coke in a store NOT bought in a club, so perhaps learn to read Giorgio prior to responding) is sold at a similar profit margin to porn scenes. You are just making things up. Why are you doing that?

The example was buying a four pack of cans of coke for $2 but then a 20 pack of cans of coke costing $15. My argument is that AT MOST that 20 pack ought to cost $10 (ie the SAME price per can). It should never cost MORE per can to buy more cans.
Do you not buy things in bulk for your studio Giorgio? When you do do you expect to pay more per item for doing so? i will answer for you: no, of course you don't.

If a membership gives you 144 tickets for the cost of that membership then reloading that membership should give you at least as many, not make the tickets MORE expensive. If anything an initial membership ought to give 10 tickets and a reload 144, to reward the bigger customer and encourage more purchasing, not the other way round.

This is what i get out of reading your statement and I DON'T like it. It sounds like the situation is worse than i had realised. What you appear to be suggesting is that the 144 ticket membership rate is TOO CHEAP for you to make a profit (hence why reloads cannot give as many) and so LegalPorno are reliant upon milking those of us who have been the biggest customers by charging us MORE for the rest of our tickets, that we are the mugs subsidising cheaper tickets for people who only buy a 1/4 of the scenes that we do.

I do hope that is not the mentality at LP. If it is i would sooner cancel entirely and walk away.

[Sir Noel]

On porn the production cost of a single scene doesnt give a profit equal to 400 time the investment, not even 0.5 times (means that with a production cost of 4000, to have 2000 profit in average is pure utopia for fuck sake.

On the bottom line porn has to be profitable for all directors and studios involved.
With such a small profit margin you can't take risks anymore!
Which backlashes on new girls as well as porn fans.
Fees got too expensive, cheap Russian supply broke down by monopolization and all we discuss here is bs compared to the real problems dedicated porn directors face today!
)

I agree. I do not care about paying what is necessary to make the site sustainable. If 144 tickets for £61 is too many to make a profit for LP then they should not give 144 tickets for £61. All i object to is for the biggest customers to be charged MORE per ticket than customers who spend on 25% as much. No normal business "rewards" it's biggest customers by doing that and any business that did would get a lot of complaints.

It may sound strange, but it is the principle: i was much happier when a membership and a reload BOTH gave 120 tickets than I am now. Much happier. I was actually getting LESS tickets for my money but at least I wasn't getting charged MORE per ticket than a casual member who only spends 40 tickets per month (as opposed to my 140-150). Fuck that.

[dap-addict]

SirN, you are splitting hair here!
What you have to decide is how much you are willing to pay for the porn you need.
And LP has to calculate the prices for their scenes and variety of subscription models in a way that gives their studios enough profit to continue shooting on a decent LP quality level - without over-paying girls and studs that is.

I am an user from the vhs times, what I get here at LP is about 10 times cheaper than what I got then. If I need more LP scenes than those who spend 25% of me only, than its my business.
My current maximum level is 7tkt for a 4+on2 top priced model DAP scene. Thats what I am prepared to pay also in solidarity with the girls and the director shooting them for me.
I try to eccomize of course, but if I have to reload I reload. And if I have to reload 3 times/mt I do it 3 times per month. Its still better value than what I got when I started using porn.

[magizi877]

IMO the coke analogy makes absolute sense.

I actually feel similar to SirNoel about the tkt system. I have always felt like this. This is not a new thing for me.

I think it has never really been a reflection of the production cost of a scene.

For instance, Giorgio often produces scenes with one girl and 4 or 5 guys and feature DAP.
BUT, sometimes produces a DAP scene with 7, 10, 15 guys and one girl and the price difference is negligible between the normal scene and the, let's call it "super scene", which also tend to include TP for seemingly no extra charge.

I remember thinking the 10 extra guys on "this" scene was covered with only 0.6 tkt.

If the tkt system is a reflection of the investment, that doesn't make sense IMO.

I also remember certain American director saying that he doesn't establish the price of his scenes, kinda giving away that his production cost was not taken into account when deciding the price of purchase.

IMO, what really happens is that someone sees the girl who is featured in a scene, and takes into account her appeal to the masses and kinda just guesses how much are her fans willing to pay and sets a price, trying to maximize profit.

And ultimately, I don't mind the tkt system all that much, because even on websites that give me all access, I don't watch all the content, just a fraction of it. To me the tkt system is just a huge inconvenience when I have to wait for a monthly recharge and I think it's exploitative because they know we often don't want to wait.

[Sir Noel]

DAP Addict, for tue last time, I am not comaining about the price, I am complaining about a payment model that penalises their best customers and provides the best value deals to people who suport them a lot lot less.
I have always been happy to support LP and have championed their payment system over more normal models (such as monthly subscriptions) because I realise this material is not cheap to produce.

I am not looking or asking for big discounts or saying they are overcharging. I am complaining that their system is back to front.

Buy a 30GB data plan for your phone you do not expect it to cost more per GB than a 3GB data plan. The Vulture does. Giorgio Grandi does.

You and I are both big supporters of this website and pay more per month than most members. All I say 8s we should not be treated worse for this.

[Sir Noel]

Magizi,
I actually really like the ticket system. I also don't mind too much that ticket prices sometimes seem arbitrary. What I DO mind is that I am paying* MORE PER TICKET than someone who is a much smaller customer.

*In reality I am not now doing this as I will no longer reload and have gone through the hassle of running two memberships. It just means I have to be careful not to buy scenes twice and can only spend 96 tickets per month, so I am already skipping scenes I'd have bought before.

[Sir Noel]

Also DAP Addict

you wrote:
If I need more LP scenes than those who spend 25% of me only, than its my business

I agree.

If you want four times more scenes it should cost you more.

Do you think for one moment I am saying it shouldn't?

All I am saying is that if you want four times more scenes it should AT MOST cost you four times more. It would be reasonable if it only cost you 3.8 times as much (say) as a reward. But if it was four times as much cost for four times as ma y scenes I'd be happy.

What I am saying is it actually is costing you 4.4 times as much for 4 times as much porn!!!!

[dap-addict]

Sir N, I get your point, but 1 post saying that would be enough.
Myself I also complained to xxx about not caring enough for loyal users.
But you seem to make a drama out of it here just in no way appropriate compared to what we get here.
I also sure would like a heavy users 360 tkt deal (instead of 120/144 now), but hell, its not here and I still need the LP porn I need thus I recharge.
And of course doing so I'd like to pay less than those only 25% of my porn share users, but its just not so important to me because I know LP still caters for my needs, and I know I need a lot!

Just step back two steps, breath through, wave your arms and consider whats the really important points risen here the last few days!
The porn we want has to be financed, it has to profitable for the studios, new girls supply has to be secured, also financially!
Dont split hairs please!

[Sir Noel]

I am only respondong to people like Vulture or Giorgio who are misrepresenting what I have written or countering my arguments.
If that had not happened I would not keep posting on this issue.
I have already done what I need to do (2nd membership and no more relaoding) so aside from these arguments I would not be diacussing this anymore. This is not going to be like your hundreds and hundreds of posts, over several years, about not enough DAP scenes or too little minutes of DAP per scene or 2 millisecinds of vaginal sex in a 0% pussy scene.