Trouble brewing for AV/LP in the UK? (strangulation ban)

[TheVulture]

Interesting piece of news here from the UK today:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/feb/27/ban-pornography-depicting-strangulation-review-urges-ministers

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/27/the-guardian-view-on-pornography-the-obscene-publications-act-needs-an-update

This could spell trouble for AV/LP, although it depends on how you read “strangulation”. Given that the onus of the piece seems to be on the end user – and in particular the fear that children view this content – I would guess that it includes any kind of throat-grabbing of the like that is seen in almost all AV/LP scenes as of about 10 years ago to the present day.

My views on throat-grabbing and other acts of male physical aggression in porn are quite well known on here so I actually welcome this news. The Guardian is a bit of a “woke” liberal organ and I’m not a woke liberal (more an old-fashioned leftie) so I don’t generally support their editorial positions but I struggle to disagree with this one. My issue with throat-grabbing/arm twisting/face-slapping isn’t so much that they’re odious (although I think that they are) but that I find them a turn-off. If this kind of legislation became more widespread then perhaps it would force porn as an industry to look at itself and return to the more consensual noughties style before the “manhandle” vibe swallowed everything in its path.

I don’t know how much of a concern this would be for AV/LP but if this forum is anything to go by, I think they have quite a lot of UK customers.

With tin hat firmly on I open this for discussion. Probably pointless to rehash the whole “the girls consent so it’s fine” line of argument as that’s irrelevant in the context of this development. The more important point is what this means for modern porn production and how it would impact people’s consumption. Any thoughts? Overdue reality check? Disgraceful "nanny state" censorship? Where do you stand?

[dap-addict]

If this could bring LP core studios back on lust and joy of sex based production path, that would be great.
But how big of a user market is Britain?

[ToryLaneRulez]

nobody should be madea criminal for viewing consensual porn, providing all parties involved in the scene gave consent and paid, how the hell can anyone who then watches it be deemed a criminal

Im all for restricting access to adult content to you know adults but by criminaliing the viewer how does that stop anyone underage watching it?

as usual ALL politicians, left or right are dimwits and crooks who steal tax payer money, fuck em all!!!!

[TheVulture]

Im all for restricting access to adult content to you know adults but by criminaliing the viewer how does that stop anyone underage watching it?

Well, by definition if it's banned then it will be harder for anyone to view and there will be penalties for anyone found with it. So of course that makes it harder for children to see it.

Whatever your views from a libertarian angle, it would certainly go a long way to keeping it from minors.

I think it's reasonable to say that the idea of a ban wouldn't come about if the industry regulated itself better and throat-grabbing was a niche concern. The problem I suspect - that very much rings true with my issue with porn of the last 10 years or so - is that it's in pretty much every porn scene that is made these days. There isn't the equivalent of noughties Private any more, ie hardcore porn without male dom. Private itself has it pretty much as standard now. If it was more niche, I'm not sure kids would be as likely to see it. Like the generations before them, they'd probably be exposed to milder stuff and politicians would be more minded to stay out of it.

[TheVulture]

This is kind of a remarkable statistic I think:

Choking during sex is becoming increasingly normalised, with one survey showing nearly four in 10 women aged 18 to 39 have experienced it.

Can we honestly say that modern porn isn't creating a wider societal problem here? Do libertarian values overrule potential harm to young people (both girls and boys, as the report highlights)?

[Sergio8317]

Any censorship is always trying to justify by the protection of children.
There is no problem with choking, if people like it they can watch it and practice it.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

There is a strong difference between the gentle slapping, and slight touching of the neck that we see in porn compared to the strangulation violence that you refer to.

I do not know the full extent of the market share of LPAV's income that comes from the UK, but I would say it would have to be at least in the 15-25% range.

I think it is best not to be too woke, and too "soft", yet at the same time studios and producers have to be reactionary and perhaps tone down on the touching of the neck in future scenes.

[latina-girls-yes]

My views on throat-grabbing and other acts of male physical aggression in porn are quite well known on here so I actually welcome this news.
My issue with throat-grabbing/arm twisting/face-slapping isn’t so much that they’re odious (although I think that they are) but that I find them a turn-off.

why don't you write a list of all the things you, personally, don't find a turn-on (even though many others may enjoy them) and send them to the uk governement in the hope they can get them banned for you too?

and when you've finished that list, don't forget to remind everyone here of all the things that do turn you on, so that when something we might want to see gets banned because you want laws written around the whims of your erection, we can write a similar letter to the uk government listing all the things you like and demanding they be banned because they don't turn us on ('you spite us, we'll spite you')

and then what kind of porn industry will exist?

by definition if it's banned then it will be harder for anyone to view and there will be penalties for anyone found with it. So of course that makes it harder for children to see it. It would certainly go a long way to keeping it from minors

this is ludicrous reasoning. by this logic - 'if no one can see it, then children can't see it' - then all porn should be banned, because if it can be seen, then a child might see it

you don't like a certain consensual act in your porn? fine, then don't buy the scene or support the studio

[latina-girls-yes]

If this could bring LP core studios back on lust and joy of sex based production path, that would be great

cheering for things that you know (or should) are fundamentally oppressive and intolerant because there might be a positive side-benefit in it for you, is bad ethics and anti-community

if the same people were planning to ban porn featuring anal sex (or DAP specifically) and someone who only liked vaginal sex was here saying such a move would be great because banning anal might mean more vaginal scenes being shot, how you would you feel towards them?

don't be that person

[TheVulture]

if the same people were planning to ban porn featuring anal sex (or DAP specifically) and someone who only liked vaginal sex

Has that ever happened though? I don't think that has ever happened, has it? It's a question of degree and that seems to be a widening of the censorship net too far.

It's important to note that our current UK government is very centrist, I would say centre-right. They're not evangelical Christians or anything like that, although I think it's fair to say that views on porn are difficult to fit into a specific political spectrum. The current Trump administration that is very much underpinned by evangelical Christianism, for example, probably doesn't have any problem with strangulation porn as it sees it as a natural part of a free market society. Liberals are more likely to have an issue with it. The landscape is quite confusing.

It's thus interesting that you're quite angry about my personal preferences while trying to promote some kind of liberal agenda. That's essentially hypocritical, especially when you factor in that I'm not really the enemy here as someone who has bought 1.2K scenes on AV/LP. Clearly I am a fan of porn and understand that it doesn't work if it's inherently airbrushed and undermined. But I'm also a socially responsible person. I get how a normalising of degrading acts in porn would affect wider society. Who wouldn't? Someone with their own agenda (so straight back at you I guess).

My question to you would be do you ever think that there would come a time when someone might need to step in to regulate the porn industry for the wider good or should it always be seen as untouchable from a libertarian perspective? What might the tipping point be? Why do you (potentially) think that porn makers (and consumers) are inherently wired to always make the correct decisions? These are points that you need to develop I think. It's fine to identify an enemy but not enough on its own to win an argument.

[jjwhite1985]

Ultimately as long as sex acts performed on a shoot are understood by all involved and acted out by consenting adults then a government ought not to be banning anything. Whether or not those acts become prevalent is best left to the market to decide - generally speaking there is porn for just about every taste out there.

The current Trump administration that is very much underpinned by evangelical Christianism, for example, probably doesn't have any problem with strangulation porn as it sees it as a natural part of a free market society. Liberals are more likely to have an issue with it.

I couldn't quite get past this comment without developing an eye twitch You've got it pretty much backwards. Evangelicals have been on a crusade to ban porn outright over here since forever, and have been making a concerted effort to get the Trump admin on board (Trump is not much of a religious man, but does enough pandering to keep the base on side). How much liberals agree or disagree can vary - it's fashionable for some on the left to talk about "empowerment porn", the idea being that it's female-led and without the male domination and misogyny.

[Vancouver]

The UK is absolutely falling apart, I can't believe what they are doing to themselves. People are being arrested for calling someone names online FFS.

That country is going to have a massive explosion of civil unrest at some point; you can't do this to your population for ever without there eventually being consequences.

[TheVulture]

The UK is absolutely falling apart, I can't believe what they are doing to themselves. People are being arrested for calling someone names online FFS.

That country is going to have a massive explosion of civil unrest at some point; you can't do this to your population for ever without there eventually being consequences.

Thanks Elon. Have you ever even visited the UK? That's completely absurd. I'm a left winger so I'm not really in tune with our current government, except that they are sober and sensible in most areas. In some areas (eg nationalising failing rail services) they take a commendably left wing position but only really kicking and screaming and always allowing the free market first dibs at correction.

There are issues around free speech but these exist everywhere. As an (apparent) anachronism myself being a left winger entirely opposed to transgenderism and gender identity theory (basically I'm a man of science - if you have a theoretical concept you want hard-wiring into mainstream life, show me the science behind it or I'm out), I understand the concept of tacit silencing of what are fairly mainstream views but we're working through those in a timely (albeit overdue) manner and not before many ordinary people have lost their livelihoods. I think this is probably roughly in line with most Western societies and personally feel confident that common sense will win out. People are not as a rule "being arrested for saying stuff" though. If you believe that, you're spending too much time on social media.

This is all a little bit peripheral to whether or not a government has a duty to protect its young citizens from exposure to harmful content. That doesn't seem Draconian to me and I would think that our wider population - who are generally much less prudish around sex and porn than perhaps we were 20-30 years ago - would broadly agree with where our government seem to be positioning itself. We have strong right wing elements here (eg Reform UK) who essentially thrive on open goals gifted them by our loonier liberal elements (eg pushing gender identity and limitless immigration) but I'm not sure they would be willing to defend strangulation porn or claim that the idea of banning it is some "woke" concept too far.

I think what people here need to recognise is that consumers and defenders of things like that are outliers. This forum is exactly the kind of echo chamber that right wingers like to call out left wingers for inhabiting.

[latina-girls-yes]

I would think that our wider population - who are generally much less prudish around sex and porn than perhaps we were 20-30 years ago - would broadly agree with where our government seem to be positioning itself.

since you believe yourself to have your finger in the pulse of what the british public think, what percentage of women aged 18-39 (generally a woman's most sexual active years, when she experiences most sex and with multiple partners) who have experienced slapping, choking, gagging or spitting (even regularly) during those years of sexual activity do you think would say those experiences have *never* left them feeling upset or frightened?

in other words, what percentage of women aged 18-39 say they are (for all intents and purposes) totally fine with these acts and may even enjoy/request this kind of behaviour from their partner?

very high? very low? somewhere in the middle? have a guess

I think what people here need to recognise is that consumers and defenders of things like that are outliers.

as far as i can tell, you are the only member here that is so neurotic about this behaviour that you have literally made it your signature "More non-manhandle scenes please. Hands away from face/neck/shoulders. Keep the girls loose, free and expressive". no one else sees this as a problem (and many enjoy these acts in moderation)

if you lay down with dogs (the oppressive forces of uk censorship) you will wake up with fleas (the next thing that gets banned will be something you like, eg 'anal')

[TheVulture]

The debate isn't about what grown women think but access by minors.

What percentage of 12-15 year old boys and girls do you think would be damaged by exposure to choking porn? How about "100%", maybe?

Again, I'm not sure this would be an issue if acts like choking, slapping, puke etc. were very niche and well hidden behind paywalls as if that were the case, they would be unlikely to find their way to kids. I think the issue is that what now constitutes very average porn - and thus by definition will be the kind that kids occasionally access, whether intentionally or otherwise - is at a level it hasn't been in previous years with extreme acts being normalised. What do you think? Are you capable of giving a holistic opinion that isn't based on staunch libertarian values and your own (extreme) porn tastes?

If you're offended by my porn preferences as highlighted in my signature (which has been there a very long time), I can't do anything about that and tbh I don't really care what you think about it. This debate is bigger than what we as grown adults like to see in porn and are aroused by. I think it's 99.99% likely though that if porn's median position was a bit nearer to mine than yours then governments probably wouldn't dream of intervening and the industry would have a much healthier future.

[jjwhite1985]

If it were about minors then the advice would be to ban porn outright, not just the "degrading" stuff. After all, if kids can access porn at all, then they can access all of it.

This particular UK report appears to take aim at a type of content the author finds distasteful, and it sounds like you agree with their position on the basis that you also don't like this content. We've been down this road before, I feel, where you convince yourself that the presence of porn that you personally don't like has or will bring about the downfall of the traditional porn industry.

[TheVulture]

Well, do you think that porn is in better shape 15 or so years down the line of the normalisation of male aggression than it was before?

I don't like male aggression in porn but I don't think that has a bearing on where we are now. I think that once porn went down that rabbit-hole, it made some kind of reckoning with higher authorities inevitable, as well as creating inevitable issues around the future supply of female performers. I think I can say that objectively without applying any bias. What have you got to counter that opinion?

Do you think it's possible that there could ever be an independent arbitrator of porn (which doesn't have to be elected governments) that could actually make decisions that are in the best interests of the industry, whilst also protecting wider society? Or is any kind of interference unwelcome in a de facto sense? Are a healthy porn industry and a healthy society not mutually exclusive by definition? If not, why not? I think that any modern liberal society would include porn, don't you?

As for the idea that the only way to protect kids is to ban all porn, that's really a desperate straw man argument. Porn has existed in printed and video form for a long time now and we all I'm sure saw porn as kids, without being damaged one iota. What has changed is the extremity of this porn, as you well know. No sensible government could observe extreme porn becoming normalised and thus filtering down to kids without being concerned. If the industry won't regulate itself then someone else should.

[jjwhite1985]

In recent years the proliferation of the internet and the sheer ease at which minors can access content is what's created this impetus to clamp down and put into place safeguards (rightfully so in many cases); it's got nothing to do with the *type* of porn kids can access - their ability to access porn full stop is the problem.

Only in the last 5 years or so has mainstream porn really suffered, the reasons for which are well documented, especially by those in the industry, as are the reasons for fewer girls entering traditional porn. It doesn't have anything to do with your pet peeve.

[TheVulture]

Only in the last 5 years or so has mainstream porn really suffered, the reasons for which are well documented, especially by those in the industry, as are the reasons for fewer girls entering traditional porn. It doesn't have anything to do with your pet peeve.

What are these reasons then?

In the meantime, here's an interesting opinion piece from the same UK paper/website:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/03/porn-law-internet-review-ministers

This is a good point I think:

"This is partly how we’ve got to a place where so much online porn promotes and perpetuates harmful, violent, misogynistic and racist tropes. The porn platforms themselves are implicated in producing these preferences, pushing men and increasingly women further than we would otherwise go."

It's an interesting angle, because few on here mention the potential damage to the male porn studs. Don't pretty much all of them inject some kind of stimulant into their dicks so they can maintain erections long enough to perform several very long scenes as part of a normal schedule? There has to be a reckoning with that, ultimately.

[latina-girls-yes]

this whole thing reminds me of the same thing that has been claimed about video game violence and real world violence. many hundreds of millions (maybe billions) of people play video shooter type video games every single day of their life, yet only a handful of those ever get become protagonists in perpetrating serious violent crimes (school shooters etc) in real life

this essentially underlines the principle of correlation not being the same thing as causation, and undermines claims of those who don't like violence in video games (of which i'm one because i would rather people - especially young people - were more focused on creativite endeavours than living in a bubble of fantasized destruction) who try to make the case that video games with shooter type themes encourage violence in real life.
if that were the case then millions/billions of gamers would be roaming our streets with semi-automatic rifles all the time. but this plainly isn't the case

the reality is (and always has been) that it's those who are psychologically damaged and disturbed (incels, neonazis, etc) that engage in school shootings etc, and the fact that they also happened to like video games is none other than a statistic likelihood for people of their age and culture

and i think that example transfers over to porn

millions (maybe billions) of men and women watch porn every day, but actual violent crime against women is usually perpetrated by the same psychologically damaged and disturbed people (partners or ex-partners being top of the list of those most likely to be responsible for that, and incels who go rogue) and the porn factor is no more a coincidence because so many people consume similar content worldwide and never commit any crimes

as to whether violence against women has risen since the availabilty of home porn (video/dvd/istreaming) that's extremely difficult to parse, because what is called 'assault' in 2025 is a much broader definition than what it was 40 years ago or so
for that reason, though headline numbers may be up or down re assult cases over that period, because the definition of assault has expanded so much in recent years (things like sexting and stalking etc now fall under the category of assualt or sexual crimes) trying to draw like-for-like conclusions 'then and now' for such crimes is a complex and convoluted call

[xxxVIPERxxx]

The older I get, and the more I see of life, people, and the world...frankly, I think whatever censorship the government might do to hardcore porn is the very least of many much bigger, more serious problems...

The UK and Europe are still struggling through a cost of living and energy crisis. Inflation is still being carefully managed, and growth is almost minimal.
Then, you have the impending trade tariffs from the US, which will further make stocks and shares decline.
Also, you have very much an existential threat...the UK is raising its defence spending budget. Macron has just stated that France and its allies will have to consider opening up nuclear re-armament for other allies to have a nuclear arsenal as a form of deterrent.

Then there are issues in the Middle East, whilst the American counterparts seems to have fallen off a cliff edge in terms of supporting its Western allies.

If truth be told, a censoring some hardcore porn is something that the UK government should not be focusing its time, energy, and resources on.

[dap-addict]

Back to porn: Those 2min might be interesting in terms of OP:

Now this is the most controversial part of that NTP DAP/TAP scene: Giih after a mere 10min DAP workout prevents getting DAP-ed in reverse cowgirl position. Why? What's her problem? Was it that throat grab of her upper stud?
What does Giih say minute 41.20ff to her upper stud - and to her crew?
Scene composition shows that sure not rcDP only was planned here.

Here: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/2691116

[TheVulture]

There's some in the trailer that she doesn't seem to mind so I'm not sure. It's not like an old Sarah Cute Gonzo scene where she's absolutely sizzling from the screen pre-sex and then visibly wilts when Angelo Godshack grabs her throat and looks pretty much shell-shocked throughout the rest of the scene. There's no way that one was planned. I'll try to find a link.

Watching that trailer though summarises my dilemma around modern porn so well. The first half of it is volcanic. A super hard anal pounding with the girl appearing to love it and giving off insane heat. Then the guys get weird. A pillow goes over her face, they tie her hands together, the positions become more physically overpowering with the apparent aim of making her uncomfortable for viewing "pleasure". I'm completely torn really but on balance will pass.

A massive result for me would be if AV/LP decided to edit its content for the UK and potentially other regions that ban choking etc. The scenes are too long anyway. Just gimme 20-30 minutes of the hot consensual non-male dom stuff. If this meant all of my Pornbox scenes being edited accordingly that would honestly be manna from heaven for me and I couldn't download them quickly enough. I've toyed with the idea of editing software to this end but it sounds like hard work. Might this be something that AV/LP would consider? Not really a moral victory for the girls and might not assist with the conveyor belt of talent but quite possibly an option to at least comply with regional restrictions.

[TheVulture]

This is the Sarah Cute one:

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/55078.

It's maybe not as bad as I remember it but watch at 13:40. Godshack's (utterly pointless) throat-grab and Sarah quite quickly puts her hand on his in rejection. Maybe not "shell-shocked" but I think you see her wilt a bit and probably processing what just happened for a while. Skim watching the scene you see the odd guy still go for her throat every now and then. Why? Don't they get the message and why aren't they on the same page as Sarah from the start? It's really proof that these are entitled guys and that the act is totally endemic within the industry. I don't buy the idea that parameters are outlined pre-scene. Maybe for some of the really hard stuff but I'm quite sure that "mild" throat-grabbing etc. is just seen as a pre-requisite.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I remember reading an UK BBC article about how common strangulation, and hard, rough sex had become in society.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zwy0nex0o

This is about a woman, who has rough sex with two different men within a 2 week period, and both went for the manhandling, rough treatment with hands over the neck.

Whilst I am not a social scientist, there are some who may think that it is just about society right now, we have evolved to a stage where this is what the norm is.
Just like tattoos, and studs/piercings are more common now than ever before.

I am refraining from giving any personal opinions, but think that people should have choice to do as they wish. As always, the girl can quite rightly say no.

[TheVulture]

I remember reading an UK BBC article about how common strangulation, and hard, rough sex had become in society.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zwy0nex0o

This is about a woman, who has rough sex with two different men within a 2 week period, and both went for the manhandling, rough treatment with hands over the neck.

Whilst I am not a social scientist, there are some who may think that it is just about society right now, we have evolved to a stage where this is what the norm is.
Just like tattoos, and studs/piercings are more common now than ever before.

I am refraining from giving any personal opinions, but think that people should have choice to do as they wish. As always, the girl can quite rightly say no.

Great piece, thanks for posting.

The tattoos/piercings thing is obviously not a great comparison as that's something you choose to do to yourself as opposed to someone else. I get the idea of social evolution though, I just think it's hard not to make the case that casual slippage of "manhandle" porn into real life scenarios is anything other than a troubling thing. This isn't all about the poor actions of men either. It kinda starts with them but female porn actresses have to consider their role in this as well. Their complicity in this has wider consequences for women.

[latina-girls-yes]

A massive result for me would be if AV/LP decided to edit its content for the UK and potentially other regions that ban choking etc

yeah, f*ck what anyone else in the world might enjoy in their porn, and what some of the models may even enjoy. let's just edit all the porn ever made to suit you and your bedwetting
and as i've said before, you *will* find out (probably sooner rather than later) that if you lay down with censorship dogs, you wake up with being-denied-access-to-something-you-like fleas

the two routes for the uk to block pornbox content that doesn't fit around their pearl-clutching neuroses about non-missionary sex are:

1. block it at the IP level; simply order all IP providers in the UK to blacklist it and/or report any UK resident trying to access it. you lose access to everything on pornbox
2. block it at the payment level; order all UK banks to deny the transfer of funds from any UK bank account to Pornbox. you lose access to everything on pornbox

that would leave the only other way to access it being to use a VPN and download it without paying via torrenting or a pirate direct download.
in other words, reduced to literally *stealing* the content from the models and the studios you claim to support. very sh*tty behaviour for someone who claims to be a porn fan

and, as an extra bonus, if your VPN isn't as secure as you think it is (or you don't set it up propoerly, or forget to use it one day), you will eventually be woken up by half a dozen policemen at 5am, all your digital and internet capable devices are seized and sent to forensics, and you will be charged with possession of 'extreme violent sexual material' (as they will no doubt call it). enjoy explaining that to your partner, children, parents and employer... by registered letter from the sex offenders wing of your nearest prison

playing the 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' game only works if you have some way to stop your enemy turning on you after they have finished off your enemy. and you don't.

so wake up to that reality and stop indulging this censorship stupidity

[SuperImp]

I remember reading an UK BBC article about how common strangulation, and hard, rough sex had become in society.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zwy0nex0o

This is about a woman, who has rough sex with two different men within a 2 week period, and both went for the manhandling, rough treatment with hands over the neck.

Whilst I am not a social scientist, there are some who may think that it is just about society right now, we have evolved to a stage where this is what the norm is.
Just like tattoos, and studs/piercings are more common now than ever before.

I am refraining from giving any personal opinions, but think that people should have choice to do as they wish. As always, the girl can quite rightly say no.

Great piece, thanks for posting.

The tattoos/piercings thing is obviously not a great comparison as that's something you choose to do to yourself as opposed to someone else. I get the idea of social evolution though, I just think it's hard not to make the case that casual slippage of "manhandle" porn into real life scenarios is anything other than a troubling thing. This isn't all about the poor actions of men either. It kinda starts with them but female porn actresses have to consider their role in this as well. Their complicity in this has wider consequences for women.

Ultimately, Porn isn't and will never be sex education. How viewers interpret or construe the content from Porn isn't their (Content Creators/Models/Studio/Distributor/etc.) responsibility. In the grand scheme of things, Porn is both real and fake at the same time. In most instances - They are actually getting naked, having sexual intercourse that may involve multiple orifices and exchanging fluids in some iteration. It's fake in the sense it doesn't show (nor does it need to) all the stuff that happens in the background (Paperwork, lab work/screenings, consent, script/what the scene will entail, who everyone is working with, positions, poses, warmups, injections, lube, desensitizers, etc.).

Aside from some of the circus acts (Double/Triple DAP, etc.), Porn isn't exactly inventing shit that people aren't already doing in some iteration in privacy. That doesn't mean your personal sex life is vanilla in comparison to Porn or that most of the people do it like they do in Porn (especially looking as glamorous). I wouldn't doubt if some folks performed DAP/TAP/QAP back during the well known Roman orgies lol. Sex is well documented in our history and goes way back. Check out the History of Sex/Sexual Art Museums to get an idea of how early some of this has been recorded. People have been doing (most of) this shit in the early days of human history.

"Normal" sex will vary by people to people, so I always find it weird when people say that. Unfortunately, someone may try something they see in Porn and they'll likely be in for a rude awakening when they try it without telling their partner(s) about it. It could also be an eye opening and/or shitty experience for the other partner too, which is why talking about sex is important. Two virgins doing something like this likely won't result in a good outcome most likely. This is why communication, open discussion without being judged, and experimenting will lead you to having a healthy and satisfying sexual life. In order to know what you truly like and don't like, you have to experiment at a pace you are comfortable with. There is no way around that. It's why you see folks also have sexual hang-ups on "Missing out", whether they are are in serious relationships or in the fear of missing out phase.

This applies to both women and men. Visual imagery of Porn may be common to try and mimic, but people also hear amongst their friends/social trends/etc. and will also try these out when having sex at some point. Whether it ends up as they thought it would will likely depend on if they are properly communicating to their partners. Porn (Video/Film) is just one avenue of adult entertainment/media. You have erotica, books, comics, audio stories, etc. The list goes on. Some of those forms of media will make even the video aspect of Porn blush.

Some women like rough and/or degrading sex.
Some women don't like rough and/or degrading sex.
Some men like rough and/or degrading sex.
Some men don't like rough and/or degrading sex.

Just like the woman sharing her experience of a guy grabbing her neck by surprise on their first time having sex, there is a guy sharing his experience of a woman ordering him (to his reluctance) to grab her neck while he's fucking her on their first time having sex. It goes both ways. Both share the same issue - lack of proper communication and/or lack of properly reading body language/queues.

You won't know what you or anyone likes unless you communicate properly and experiment in an environment that is healthy and safe. It's why folks are serious on trying to set communication/consent as the foundation towards any relationship.

I'm against any bans and/or laws such at this (Even if I don't care/like whatever the kink/fetish is). Consensual adults should be free to do whatever they want as long as nothing illegal is happening and everyone is on the same page. If people aren't into this type of kink/fetish, they are free to share their opinion, but they also need to realize people don't live for your approval either.

This is why there are a variety of actual lifestyles (Hotwives, Swingers, roleplaying, etc.) that you probably didn't even know existed and they have prominent healthy communities. FetLife is a legit network to find like minded folks for every single fetish/kink out there. There will unfortunately be times where bad experiences make the news or you personally encounter, but that is par for the course with anything in life.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I just hope that censorship and the woke movement does not destroy everything...there are some who genuinely thinks that there are enough big, and serious problems to deal with.
Surely, some porn scenes SHOULD be the least of an entire government, and probably the lowest of their key priorities.

[dap-addict]

If this could bring LP core studios back on lust and joy of sex based production path, that would be great

cheering for things that you know (or should) are fundamentally oppressive and intolerant because there might be a positive side-benefit in it for you, is bad ethics and anti-community

if the same people were planning to ban porn featuring anal sex (or DAP specifically) and someone who only liked vaginal sex was here saying such a move would be great because banning anal might mean more vaginal scenes being shot, how you would you feel towards them?

don't be that person

I was probabely too short in that first post. Sorry for that!
Nothing done consensually by adults on a porn set should be banned ofc.
This said more lust and joy of sex based porn productions would sure be welcomed by me!

[TheVulture]

Just like the woman sharing her experience of a guy grabbing her neck by surprise on their first time having sex, there is a guy sharing his experience of a woman ordering him (to his reluctance) to grab her neck while he's fucking her on their first time having sex. It goes both ways. Both share the same issue - lack of proper communication and/or lack of properly reading body language/queues.

It's weird that you would apply the exact same rationale and thought process to those 2 scenarios though, don't you think? Look at it this way - which of those 2 individuals is in the most danger? If I'm a girl and a guy grabs my neck when I'm having sex with him on a one night stand, I have to consider that I might be about to die. Can I be sure he isn't a nutter who is about to strangle me? Has he "struck" before"? etc. etc. The likelihood of any of that is pretty rare but that won't remove that thought process or erase the intense fear I likely felt for at least a few seconds. The absolute least I'll feel is that he had no regard for me as a human being and no concept of how his additional male physical power could unnerve and frighten me. The guy is a pig, plain and simple.

Now I imagine I'm a bloke (not hard, obv) and a girl I'm having sex with on a one night stand instructs me to grab her throat. I'd be like "Huh? Nah not into that". And that's it. Literally. No fear, no shame, no embarrassment, no vulnerability, maybe just a little awkwardness and perhaps a slight knock to my ego ("I'm not the man she wants me to be....am I a bit soft?" etc. etc)

Not really comparable on any level, is it?

If you can't comprehend how utterly vulgar it would be to grab a girl's throat during first time sex then I think you're likely just a bit porn damaged. Probably most of us here are a bit so it's fine. But you need to step back a bit before commenting here. We're not talking about a porn scene, we're talking about real life and real people (who are clearly damaged by what they see in porn).

[SuperImp]

It's weird that you would apply the exact same rationale and thought process to those 2 scenarios though, don't you think? Look at it this way - which of those 2 individuals is in the most danger? If I'm a girl and a guy grabs my neck when I'm having sex with him on a one night stand, I have to consider that I might be about to die. Can I be sure he isn't a nutter who is about to strangle me? Has he "struck" before"? etc. etc. The likelihood of any of that is pretty rare but that won't remove that thought process or erase the intense fear I likely felt for at least a few seconds. The absolute least I'll feel is that he had no regard for me as a human being and no concept of how his additional male physical power could unnerve and frighten me. The guy is a pig, plain and simple.

Now I imagine I'm a bloke (not hard, obv) and a girl I'm having sex with on a one night stand instructs me to grab her throat. I'd be like "Huh? Nah not into that". And that's it. Literally. No fear, no shame, no embarrassment, no vulnerability, maybe just a little awkwardness and perhaps a slight knock to my ego ("I'm not the man she wants me to be....am I a bit soft?" etc. etc)

Not really comparable on any level, is it?

That was just a generic scenario I stated, nothing more. It's no different than your scenario and your perspective on what their thought process would be. Either way, both of our scenarios result in bad sexual habits with consequences. Whether their intentions were illicit or not, the problem is that they didn't communicate enough before/during sex and assumed the other person was ok with it. Depending on the severity of the situation, it could also be a traumatic experience for the people involved as well.

If you can't comprehend how utterly vulgar it would be to grab a girl's throat during first time sex then I think you're likely just a bit porn damaged. Probably most of us here are a bit so it's fine.

I'm not sure if you are talking in general (the thread overall) or if that's what you interpreted from my post, but this is said in my previous reply "Unfortunately, someone may try something they see in Porn and they'll likely be in for a rude awakening when they try it without telling their partner(s) about it. It could also be an eye opening and/or shitty experience for the other partner too, which is why talking about sex is important."

But you need to step back a bit before commenting here. We're not talking about a porn scene, we're talking about real life and real people (who are clearly damaged by what they see in porn)

Again, not too sure if my post struck a nerve of yours or if you are interpreting my post in a way that wasn't intended. My post wasn't about a specific scene either, but about Porn in general (and how people may view and apply it in their life) that has content that you have a strong aversion to.

[TheVulture]

Whether their intentions were illicit or not, the problem is that they didn't communicate enough before/during sex and assumed the other person was ok with it.

You're doing it again. It's like you're looking at this through some kind of wide spectrum of all the sex acts. We're talking about young people doing something quite early in their lives. The very idea that a young man would grab a young girl's throat during a one night stand is insane. Get away from your porn library and (perhaps) your physical relationships that have built over a long time. You wouldn't apply the same lofty, arms-length approach to a scenario where 2 guys get into an argument and 1 punches the other in the face. "They didn't talk through the various issues and objections. There was perhaps a way to avoid that using some other mechanisms." Or maybe you would. But a reasonable person would just go "Jesus he's punched him the face! What a dick!" There is a necessary and primary emotional reaction before you start to analyse.

It's the lack of emotional input that is the issue here and it is really due to exposure to hard porn over a long period of time. 20 years ago we wouldn't even consider the idea that grabbing a woman's throat during first time sex was OK. That some people now do - or will at the very least make excuses for it - is exactly the problem that governments are likely to have to see fit to tackle.

[jjwhite1985]

SuperImp is generally right, ultimately it's a matter of consent and communication between individuals, everyone is responsible for their own behavior. What individuals get up to in their own lives just isn't the problem or responsibility of porn studios. We don't take people seriously who want to ban grand theft auto whenever a kid tries to jack a car.

Cheerleading a government crackdown on a genre of porn because you don't like it is an incredibly flimsy position. If the next report finds that x percent of women say they've been pressured into doing anal, are you going to be joining them in advocating a ban on anal porn too?

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I strongly think that as long as everything is consensual, there is no need for any particular governments to start blocking porn...it seems absurd to do so given the scale of national and global problems that most governments face on a day to day basis.