Piss is dead

[House MD]

So in which universe do Ria Sunn's lame piss-infested Analpiss scenes fare better than her epic LP scenes???

In the universe of sales.
I am not even a piss fan, never wanted it, just had got used to it in order to still enjoy the girls from pre-piss area. But with piss also Ria Sunn sold better than without. Go to the sales ranking and check 2015-2018 for her and you see it yourself!

So let me get this straight: if tit-fucking sales figures drives exponential revenue growth should it be prevalent in every scene of this platform despite being a nonpenetration act?
Then this supports the idea that:
fans are here not to watch sex, DP, DAP, DVP but piss
fans indeed led to the destruction of this website - forcing it to get involved in a niche market that is totally irrelevant to what it originally excelled in doing

Then I would not be surprised you would promote crooked directors like Giorgio to shoot scenes where there is 40% slow-motion tip fucking, rimjob on male assholes, slapping and 60% piss wet play. Then there's no longer use in shooting high-performance intense rough fucking anymore... coz fans don't give a shit about that anyway

All this softcore piss-centric paradigm now makes sense

[jjwhite1985]

So in which universe do Ria Sunn's lame piss-infested Analpiss scenes fare better than her epic LP scenes???

In the universe of sales.
I am not even a piss fan, never wanted it, just had got used to it in order to still enjoy the girls from pre-piss area. But with piss also Ria Sunn sold better than without. Go to the sales ranking and check 2015-2018 for her and you see it yourself!

So let me get this straight: if tit-fucking sales figures drives exponential revenue growth should it be prevalent in every scene of this platform despite being a nonpenetration act?

"Should" is entirely subjective - whether you or I personally like the act or not doesn't matter. If it drove up revenue compared to non tit-fucking scenes then obviously consumers on the whole prefer it, so it absolutely *would* be prevalent in every scene, in order to make more money through sales. Why is this so hard to understand?

[rroper472]

Porn getting boring full stop

[chrisssj2]

This site is totally locked cant see anything. Is it just re-releases of old movies? or new piss drinking movies?

That is weird, maybe you will need a VPN to access? at least I don't have any issues to access. Now the subscription is a little bit expensive for me ($43 monthly fee)
It has a mix of old releases and some new ones, now i haven't seen the latest ones.

Nah it just has it blurred out if you are not paying member i guess?
How can you see what is old and new then?

[hyapet]

It's amazing at this point. So many words to simply describe what they, personally, dislike in porn and claim that's the reason for LP's downward slump.

As I said, first thing, it wasn't about my personal preference.

Let's put to rest the notion that this was good for the site overall. And what's good for the site overall? Money. Sales.

It's the notion that a singular act of non-porn can be justified in sinking every other act on the entire site that's absolute folly here. The before and after may seemingly make the case that more money was allowed because of piss, but this argument would also require a crystal ball to see the alternative future where piss wasn't included in everything on the site. If we are to allow that - then let us allow a look into a hypothetical "alternate reality" in where piss wasn't everywhere - and see which of the two would make the logical best sense for "sales."

In that - outside of the just the current reality by itself - which of the two realities I will present would make the most sense for a best-case scenario for sales themselves.

We've already established - and everybody seemingly agrees - that piss just kills the momentum of a scene. Or, at the very least, it sets it down this very regimented path of every sex act being put on ice to force everyone to go soft and then take a leak on a girl who's just, typically, sitting or lying there. For the sex to then resume at half energy, until at the end of the scene itself, you have a haphazard collection of piss-scenes and non-piss scenes where the non-piss scenes have no momentum and or energy, and the piss scenes are just kind of ... well, they're just kind of there.

We've also established that because the scene is shot as a singular whole - and then cut up later to make the full movie "the wet one" and the non-full movie "the dry one" - that the dry movie doesn't suddenly become any better just simply because it doesn't have the piss. There's no momentum, there's no energy, the girl is damp, clammy, and ugly during half of it, and it feels particularly egregious where there are all of these hard cuts, almost as if somebody tried to make three separate porn movies feel like a singular whole. So - if the dry scenes don't sell better - then, pardon the French, but no fucking wonder.

Alright - try this alternate reality instead.

The biggest crime that Legalporno and the entire AV/PB system did wasn't that it introduced pissing - even though that's not good - it's that they sacrificed every other studio in order to do so. It's like, no one thought for a moment, "Hey, there are all these people visiting the site, so why don't we just make a new series based solely around peeing on girls?" Everyone, moronically, thought that somehow, unless you gave it to people in the exact same package that they were already buying, they would never be able to fucking find it.

Put one way - if people really like a brand of chips at the store - but trends show that pretzels are also really hot - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to suggest to the brand of successful chips at the store, "Hey - maybe make a brand of pretzels - and put it besides your brand your chips? Best of both worlds, no?" No one in their right fucking mind would say, "Hey, you know that brand of chips of yours that people really like? How 'bout we just start throwing pretzels in there! People really like those too!" The obvious answer to that would be, "Yeah, but maybe the people who like the chips won't like the pretzels, and maybe the folks who like the pretzels won't like the chips. And then, if we mixed those two things together, who would say the flavors would match and that the product in the end would be any good?" And it's like - ding - ding - ding! Winner!

Put another way - look at a variety of the porn sites on the Internet. Take any American multi-studio format. If one studio releases a really amazingly shot scene with this outrageously attractive girl - where the whole "story" revolves around a Step-Dad trying to prevent temptation, but ultimately boning his daughter - and this scene sells amazingly well ... guess what they do! They might take that set-up and make a new studio out of it - particularly focused on that act - and name, I don't know, Dads Cream Teens. And then! Based on how well that one scene sold - and the popularity the actress received because of it - tons of amazingly attractive porn girls (including up and comers) want to now shoot for that site! You know what you call that? Success!

Now ... guess what they don't do! They don't suddenly making every story-line of every studio in the entire network have Dads in them, with every girl suddenly becoming a step-daughter. They don't recreate that same scene again and again and fucking over again a million fucking times because - hey! The first one sold so well! And they don't throw every studio into the same basin so that all the particular tastes and flavors get amalgamated into a, "Fuck, it's all the same shit anyways" pile in the middle of the floor, like the backroom of a Chinese warehouse full of ripped off DVDs.

If you're trying to tell me that the ultimate hard sex act in Double Anal wouldn't be able to do well on it's own because it tried to make the scenes as hard as the act itself deserves - you seriously need to sign yourself into a clinic.

The sales - as they are represented - reflect the current reality of all the poor decisions that the Legalporno and AV/PB brands committed.

So, if piss comes out on top of that, that's the same as saying, "Yeah - I won the race!" after you hit your competitor in the shins with a crowbar.

On a site that would have had the following:

- AAA++ porn actresses from America and Japan performing Double Anal in ridiculously hard but incredibly well shot scenes

- A variety of story-lines and story progressions that would have allowed for the dynamics of action within the scene to have different pay-offs and feelings and create something new and fresh all the time

- A rewards system approach where the best sellers and performers could go on to create their own studios and have their pick of any other site within the network they would want to perform at (while getting better rates),

Then the sales would have been much, much, much better.

And you know what? You could have still had a few sites created for pissing too!

It just wouldn't have railroaded everything else that was available for the platform.

So - for the folks who like seeing thin, malnourished, addicted, dumpster whores drinking galloons of warm piss - you would've been taken care.

And it wouldn't have cost, literally, everyone else who enjoys hard porn their entire fucking meal.

'Cause - honestly - when you take this all into account - then it makes sense why pissing sells better - because the whole entire site is purposefully geared towards pissing at the fucking expense of literally everything else.

Unless - you are honestly trying to tell me that, in the world we live in, there are objectively more people who enjoy watching people getting pissed on than having really amazing sex. Is that the argument that we're going with here? 'Cause, really, that's a steaming load of bullshit, and you know it.

And it all went down like this because, somehow, everyone in charge didn't figure that after an entire history of making an empire from the ground fucking up, they could somehow make another small addition and watch it blossom like everything else had. They either didn't trust their ability or their audience to be able to see the fucking pretzel bag right the fuck besides the chip bag. Either that, or they literally didn't know how to make a site that had the complexity of organizing two tiers of file folders in an efficient manner on a Windows 95 machine.

Like, the whole thing, it's just, like ...

FUCK!!!!!!!

[jjwhite1985]

Damn dude you need to touch grass, that's a fucking novel.
1. Wet scenes sell better than dry scenes or they wouldn't keep making them - the rest of the comment you're apparently responding to but didn't quote explains this.
2 (and more importantly). Sex acts - whether piss, prolapse, or tit-fucking as someone else mentioned - have nothing to do with why LP is losing studios, reducing output and struggling to hire and pay for models etc. As has been endlessly reiterated it is a result of a large scale shift across the entire industry toward subscription and ppv based platforms which the performers themselves control and run.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Piss is very much alive. Almost all top tier scenes come with a WET and a DRY version for different sectors of fans.
I believe the previous data points and evidence suggested that by having WET and DRY scenes, it sold 15-20% better than just having DRY scenes.
In summary, piss is definitely not dead, and it will continue.

[Chimpy.677]

Damn dude you need to touch grass, that's a fucking novel.
1. Wet scenes sell better than dry scenes or they wouldn't keep making them - the rest of the comment you're apparently responding to but didn't quote explains this.
2 (and more importantly). Sex acts - whether piss, prolapse, or tit-fucking as someone else mentioned - have nothing to do with why LP is losing studios, reducing output and struggling to hire and pay for models etc. As has been endlessly reiterated it is a result of a large scale shift across the entire industry toward subscription and ppv based platforms which the performers themselves control and run.

God, you don't understand anything at all, you're so obsessed that you can't see things even if they're right in front of you:

Answering your point (1):

Urine scenes sell more because it's literally the only thing there is to buy on the page. And even if there were scenes without urine, they would still sell more because nowadays the only customers left are those sick with urine and weird things, everyone else no longer buys or left directly.

Answering your point (2):

That's the same stupidity that staunch defenders of urine have been saying, it's always OF and the likes who are to blame. Since without leaving AV/LP, after the pandemic you had smaller studios like EKS, VG or VK that got fed up with bringing in new female models that were totally ignored because they didn't fit their sick tastes of having to be pissed on with 100 liters of urine, having to vomit 10 times in the scene or having to take their guts out of their ass.

I'm being 100% objective, new girls are always there, it's just that if you have late clients who buy any scene with the same girl a trillion times, why are you going to bother looking for new girls? Or why are you going to do something different? If you have people who buy just to buy, and what I'm saying you can see in this same forum.

[jjwhite1985]

Damn dude you need to touch grass, that's a fucking novel.
1. Wet scenes sell better than dry scenes or they wouldn't keep making them - the rest of the comment you're apparently responding to but didn't quote explains this.
2 (and more importantly). Sex acts - whether piss, prolapse, or tit-fucking as someone else mentioned - have nothing to do with why LP is losing studios, reducing output and struggling to hire and pay for models etc. As has been endlessly reiterated it is a result of a large scale shift across the entire industry toward subscription and ppv based platforms which the performers themselves control and run.

God, you don't understand anything at all, you're so obsessed that you can't see things even if they're right in front of you:

Answering your point (1):

Urine scenes sell more because it's literally the only thing there is to buy on the page. And even if there were scenes without urine, they would still sell more because nowadays the only customers left are those sick with urine and weird things, everyone else no longer buys or left directly.

Answering your point (2):

That's the same stupidity that staunch defenders of urine have been saying, it's always OF and the likes who are to blame. Since without leaving AV/LP, after the pandemic you had smaller studios like EKS, VG or VK that got fed up with bringing in new female models that were totally ignored because they didn't fit their sick tastes of having to be pissed on with 100 liters of urine, having to vomit 10 times in the scene or having to take their guts out of their ass.

I'm being 100% objective, new girls are always there, it's just that if you have late clients who buy any scene with the same girl a trillion times, why are you going to bother looking for new girls? Or why are you going to do something different? If you have people who buy just to buy, and what I'm saying you can see in this same forum.

You're not even close to being objective, this is the millionth time you've posted a tirade centered around how you hate piss. You're entire position here is born out of the fact that you can't seem to understand that your tastes don't reflect the majority. Likewise your similar hatred for OF and other platforms is why you can't accept that the industry has changed. Sorry dude, too bad.

[Jocke]

There are plenty of better sites if you are not interested in piss porn. I am going to head over to a dry site now and complain about why they do not have piss porn. Maybe I'll write a thread named "Dry is dead".
Then I am going to a Bukkake site to explain why cum is dirty.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

I'm being 100% objective

And even if there were scenes without urine, they would still sell more because nowadays the only customers left are those sick with urine and weird things, everyone else no longer buys or left directly

Sure, hun. You're the epitome of objectivity.

[Chimpy.677]

I'm being 100% objective

And even if there were scenes without urine, they would still sell more because nowadays the only customers left are those sick with urine and weird things, everyone else no longer buys or left directly

Sure, hun. You're the epitome of objectivity.

It's true, you guys aren't normal. To like that kind of thing you have to have some kind of problem, it's not just about different tastes.

[maxymax]

Lovely!

+100

[Anselm_Weinberg]

It's true, you guys aren't normal. To like that kind of thing you have to have some kind of problem, it's not just about different tastes.

According to whom? Your local priest? Better don't tell them you're into young women being gang sodomised, though I am sure it's considered completely normal as long as it's of the "normal" variety and there's no drop of that abominable fiendish urine in sight. Just listen to yourself, it's beyond silly by now and there's really no point in further entertaining the thought that any serious discussion with you is possible on this matter.

[trueEroskaven]

Nah it just has it blurred out if you are not paying member i guess?
How can you see what is old and new then?

Because i paid for that subscription for a couple of months, i really wanted to see the piss gangbang from Daphne Klyde, https://x.com/GGGjohnthompson/status/14 ... 8859039747, and it was pretty good IMHO. Now i'm waiting for a couple of piss scenes to stack and then probably i will buy another monthly subscription.

[trueEroskaven]

It's true, you guys aren't normal. To like that kind of thing you have to have some kind of problem, it's not just about different tastes.

According to whom? Your local priest? Better don't tell them you're into young women being gang sodomised, though I am sure it's considered completely normal as long as it's of the "normal" variety and there's no drop of that abominable fiendish urine in sight. Just listen to yourself, it's beyond silly by now and there's really no point in further entertaining the thought that any serious discussion with you is possible on this matter.

Don't feed the Trolls, let just leave them cry alone.
Let's just try to stack more sites or movies that features this kind of content. Or even Only Fans accounts that also feature this kind of content.
I'm preparing a project to put all this information in one place and also to promote this even more.

[Chimpy.677]

It's true, you guys aren't normal. To like that kind of thing you have to have some kind of problem, it's not just about different tastes.

According to whom? Your local priest? Better don't tell them you're into young women being gang sodomised, though I am sure it's considered completely normal as long as it's of the "normal" variety and there's no drop of that abominable fiendish urine in sight. Just listen to yourself, it's beyond silly by now and there's really no point in further entertaining the thought that any serious discussion with you is possible on this matter.

According to 99,99 % of the world, I'm not saying it, go to any porn site in the world and always the most consumed content will be the traditional hardcore anal sex, the only crazy people who consume urine, vomit, prolapse (and who knows in the future what else) are you.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

If you're going strictly by what is popular amongst the porn-consuming populace at large you might as well start advocating for the proliferation of semi-amateurish vanilla porn, since that is still very popular.

Besides, majority tastes do not equate normalcy, at least not in the sense of what constitutes healthy and responsible sexual behaviour or preferences which means you're way out of line by referring to something as "sick" or employ similar pejorative terms to describe various things that you personally dislike.

But even then all of this is really beside the point since traditional LP studios cater to a completely different audience altogether and among that audience wet scenes sell best not in spite or irrespective of but because they contain piss, as has been pointed out by so many people before.

I don't know why it is so hard for you to accept this simple truth. One could almost come to the conclusion that you're being deliberately obtuse, but surely that's unthinkable.

[hyapet]

If you're going strictly by what is popular amongst the porn-consuming populace at large you might as well start advocating for the proliferation of semi-amateurish vanilla porn, since that is still very popular.

Well ... there you go then, eh?

Maybe it's not so much that OF became popular because all of the hottest models went there - but because they actually delivered something the mainstream porn industry hasn't tried in the longest time - and that's ... oh my gosh!

Something fucking normal!

Maybe the majority of people out there just want to actually see a nude girl and ... no ands! No ands, buts, or ifs. No gigantic cock going into her pussy - or ass - or people getting pissed on - or shooting their intestines out their rear - or shoving their heads up some dude's ass - just ... you know?

A normal nude girl looking pretty?

Besides, majority tastes do not equate normalcy ...

Hold on there, cowboy!

I think we just found out, by the way of the OF model, that majority tastes do equate to normalcy.

... at least not in the sense of what constitutes healthy and responsible sexual behaviour or preferences which means you're way out of line by referring to something as "sick" or employ similar pejorative terms to describe various things that you personally dislike.

No. Wrong.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it to.

You can say, "Hey, guess what, I'm a sexual deviant, and I enjoy seeing girl's getting pee'd on."

You cannot say, "Hey, guess what, I enjoy seeing girl's getting pee'd on and that's completely normal." No, I'm sorry, it fucking isn't.

Just as it isn't normal to watch five dudes surround a girl and all of them try to stick their cocks in her ass at the exact same time. That's deviant type shit behavior. You know?

Don't go full-blast with that neo-liberal bullshit here, where "You have to accept my quirks and thereby rewrite the rules of what normal is." No. Nobody has to do that. Normal doesn't have to fucking disappear because, somehow, you want to be called that.

You want to be called "normal?" Then have normal fucking tastes. I can point the finger to anybody here, including myself, and say the exact same fucking thing.

Put another way - you're going out with a normal girl from your town. On which date do you reveal to her the, totally "normal" by the way, desire you have to pee all over her? What do you think, on average, a "normal" girl's response would be to that?

Pee'ing on people is fucking normal ... now I've literally heard it all.

But even then all of this is really beside the point since traditional LP studios cater to a completely different audience altogether and among that audience wet scenes sell best not in spite or irrespective of but because they contain piss, as has been pointed out by so many people before.

And we've pointed out, countless times, that the reason they sell more is because they are, literally, the only option.

The "dry scenes" are completely scalped of any coherence by the fact that these random cuts happen throughout it where, in the intervening moment between the last shot and the next, it looks like the girl just went through a hurricane. Then, when all the guy's, after they just finished peeing on the girl, have to give her a half-hearted DAP. Who can fucking blame them. You know what isn't normal in biology? To get rock fucking hard right after you've taken a piss. Human biology probably thought, "You know, the idea of those two actions being in any close contact with one another is next to fucking zero (re: not normal), so let's not let the guy that just finished tweaking the last drop of dew off his wiener become a gigantic rocket immediately."

The entire fucking site is catered to piss. And you stand up there and say, "Hey - the piss scenes sell better!" Yeah - no fucking shit! That's like going to a bread store and finding out that - fucking shock! - the bread sells better than the poultry. In fact - if you asked anybody where they would go get there poultry - "the bread store" would be their last fucking answer.

Then the question comes about, "Why are all the hot models going everywhere else?" And, "Why are all the traditional studios closing?" And, "Why are so many of the shoots focused around the same, literal, five models?"

Must be because piss is doing so Goddamn well!

But, no, right? It's at that moment that, super conveniently, the poultry gets brought up. Why is the bread store going under? "The poultry isn't selling well." Yeah, but ... what about the fucking bread? Isn't that supposed to be, pardon the term, your bread and butter?

I don't know why it is so hard for you to accept this simple truth. One could almost come to the conclusion that you're being deliberately obtuse, but surely that's unthinkable.

Just like one could almost come to the conclusion that you cherry pick your facts and data.

You know - it's true - there is some overlap between different sections of the market - and different tidal shifts within the industry have produced reverberations that have extended outwards touching everyone within it. Granted. But ...

When you look at an increasingly barren selection of talent who, whether being able to see their ribs, their wrinkles, or the cone shaped silicone implants shooting out of their chest, all lining up for what was, by all intents and purposes, one of the biggest names in porn, somebody has to ask, "What happened?"

If the answer is that everything is better than it ever was (sales wise) - and the only things causing the disruptions are the fact that the vast majority of the audience went elsewhere to consume different types of porn - and it's that same audience who, not preferring the product here anymore, that's responsible for simultaneously giving the site such great sales and going elsewhere where the most exquisite beauties are that ... don't want to shoot for this site anymore, then ...

Something's not adding up.

Better go back and check your "simple truths."

There might be a few "Pee's completely normals" in there.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

No. Wrong.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it to.

You can say, "Hey, guess what, I'm a sexual deviant, and I enjoy seeing girl's getting pee'd on."

You cannot say, "Hey, guess what, I enjoy seeing girl's getting pee'd on and that's completely normal." No, I'm sorry, it fucking isn't.

Just as it isn't normal to watch five dudes surround a girl and all of them try to stick their cocks in her ass at the exact same time. That's deviant type shit behavior. You know?

Don't go full-blast with that neo-liberal bullshit here, where "You have to accept my quirks and thereby rewrite the rules of what normal is." No. Nobody has to do that. Normal doesn't have to fucking disappear because, somehow, you want to be called that.

You want to be called "normal?" Then have normal fucking tastes. I can point the finger to anybody here, including myself, and say the exact same fucking thing.

Put another way - you're going out with a normal girl from your town. On which date do you reveal to her the, totally "normal" by the way, desire you have to pee all over her? What do you think, on average, a "normal" girl's response would be to that?

Pee'ing on people is fucking normal ... now I've literally heard it all.

I don't give a shit about whether there is piss or not, if it were up to me regular NHB without piss would mostly make me happy, though I am also cool with piss, but my modest point is that what is successful can and should not be reduced to what I personally like or dislike.

The point is that LP core studios became known for their hardcore anal gangbangs. This is what people come to see and this is what differentiates this site from the "normal" mainstream, and this is at its core what this site should remain.

Piss hasn't even entered the conversation at this point but it just happened to become extremely popular and it would be irresponsible to risk alienating customers who have come to expect this in their porn, which one can speculate, aside from short-term assured profits, is one of the reasons studios won't simply mess around and try go back to the old "glory days" without piss and what have you. And the latter would only make sense if there was some truth to your speculation about certain market dynamics, something that is more than doubtful.

The rest is just personal attacks so I respond in kind.

Neoliberalism, really?
Looking at most of your posts, it is you who wrongly counterpoint your petit bourgeois borderline incel views as though they were transtorical truths to neoliberalism when all you're doing is propping up an equally reactionary pseudo-idyllic sense of what normalcy entails, and it just so happens to be an idealisation of the good old stable days when women were docile birthmachines and readily and exclusively available for sex at your discretion.

In essence it is first and foremost conforming to the same post-modern identarian logic as neoliberals do, seeking to retain a certain way of life that is perceived as endangered but in the end just as contingent ans historical as their bullshit. This isn't any better than the pseudo-plasticity and relativism of neoliberals, but the other side of same coin.

On some level, everything is a defiance since there's no irreducible natural sexual order among humans (in the sense of concrete sexual practices) that can currently be known, safe for some basic premises. Every sex, body part or function can theoretically be eroticised, which isn't me saying that it should but that's just the way it is.

This does not mean one has to subscribe to an anarchic philosophy of sexuality on a personal level, but at the same time it also does not grant you the privilege of calling yourself more "normal" on an essential level, unless you use the term exclusively in the sense of what society at any given time considers as such, which is and has been in constant flux and may be subject to change. The minimal consensus should be that any and all sexual interactions have to be consensual between mature individual subjects and everything beyond that is negotiable.

[hyapet]

I don't give a shit about whether there is piss or not, if it were up to me regular NHB without piss would mostly make me happy, though I am also cool with piss, but my modest point is that what is successful can and should not be reduced to what I personally like or dislike.

The point is that LP core studios became known for their hardcore anal gangbangs. This is what people come to see and this is what differentiates this site from the "normal" mainstream, and this is at its core what this site should remain.

Okay. But, if that's what "the site should remain," and then there's a facet of the site that indulges in another act that, by all intents and purposes, completely destroys that original objective, then ... where does that leave pissing?

Piss hasn't even entered the conversation at this point but it just happened to become extremely popular and it would be irresponsible to risk alienating customers who have come to expect this in their porn, which one can speculate, aside from short-term assured profits, is one of the reasons studios won't simply mess around and try go back to the old "glory days" without piss and what have you. And the latter would only make sense if there was some truth to your speculation about certain market dynamics, something that is more than doubtful.

So where does that leave pissing?

By all intents and purposes - as a completely different section of the site, no? As I originally stated. Create a "It's Raining Men" series - and even try to include your gangbangs into that if you want - but then leave the other studios alone to achieve their original purpose.

What's the problem? Will people suddenly not be interested in piss simply because it doesn't have the "Legalporno" moniker besides it? Even if it's made by the same people? And features all the same actresses who would be interested in doing such scenes? Why did the one half have to get sacrificed for the other?

It makes no sense. Business or otherwise. Because the people who didn't like pissing have long gone for the most part. And what every studio is left with is a shuddered legacy where they desperately try to maintain a flow of models who are interested in performing the act for an audience that doesn't particularly hold them to any standards for beauty or originality or anything otherwise, so long as somebody's getting pee'd on.

So ... why did the one have to get sacrificed for the other? Why couldn't a new studio have been made that centered itself on pissing and let actual dry scenes get produced elsewhere? Was there a magic fucking button that got pushed somewhere above Earth's atmosphere where suddenly everybody lost interest in hardcore gangbangs and now, exclusively, needed to see people getting pissed on? That doesn't really add up ...

Right?

The rest is just personal attacks so I respond in kind.

Neoliberalism, really?
Looking at most of your posts, it is you who wrongly counterpoint your petit bourgeois borderline incel views as though they were transtorical truths to neoliberalism when all you're doing is propping up an equally reactionary pseudo-idyllic sense of what normalcy entails, and it just so happens to be an idealisation of the good old stable days when women were docile birthmachines and readily and exclusively available for sex at your discretion.

Yeah ... nice try.

I would like to see some quotes of where I professed an "idealization of women being docile birth machines." That's cute - but completely contrary to anything I said.

I'll talk slower so you can maybe understand what was actually said.

I said that the traditional structure of society is needed in order to maintain itself. And that - all things considered - this "traditional structure" actually gives enjoyment to the people who partake in it. Women suddenly don't become automatons devoid of input or action, relegated to a corner where they be demanded to shut up and keep the loom running. They actually, typically, find their life's calling when they are in a stable marriage, are raising their children, and ensuring a healthy and prosperous future for not just themselves, but for their community, their city, and their nation.

You want to know what just happens to coincide with more women than ever finding themselves in sex work and stripping in front of cameras and creating parasitical relationships where the people they're with are more "friends" (re: disposable) "with benefits" (re: fucking being the beginning and end goal of the relationship) through their social media apps rather than being in longer term relationships where the end goal is finding a partner to actually care about and love and carry together a life in which the other person is more than a disposable plaything? You know what happens to coincide with that? A wave of misery so profound amongst the female populace of Western nations, that the people charting it pretty much have to create new graphs because, technically, they never figured the happiness bar could go so low.

To keep this somewhat short, there largest folly in the argumentation that the Neoliberal order provides is that of "freedom." You have the "freedom" to choose what you desire. Yet - people, women in particular, seem to be pretty hardwired in wanting a societal configuration to their existence. A man can go off and live in a cave or a jungle alone - not that he wants to - but he can. Women on the other hand seemingly require and are drawn to both other people and larger groups. Probably a survival mechanism from the past - but, regardless of where it comes from - their happiness is tied to what others around them both feel and think.

And yet ... the life of distancing themselves from meaningful relationships and straightforward interactions with people ... instead relying on a machine algorithm to suggest both who they fuck and do business with, which, given how lacking of any meaning that whole set-up is, often just mingle into the same thing. "If I'm going to fuck some complete stranger - might as well make money off of it," right? Well - I dunno - but it seems to me that, of all the depressing, bleak, and completely empty existences one could strive for, that would rank pretty near the top. Interesting then that ... this is what almost everyone decided to when given their "freedom." Almost as if - it was the illusion of freedom - and then they were given a very narrow and short environment in which to "make their free choices."

Much like the men cranking it to porn. If you asked most men what they would rather have - a stable lifestyle - with a caring loving wife - and a family - he would be hard pressed to turn that down. Especially when the other option is a box of kleenex, a glowing screen, and some hand lotion. Yet, much like women, he makes do with the selections he's been given.

There will always be outliers to the norm. People who just gravitate towards the different, or the extreme. Likewise a survival mechanism for the species as a whole. Everyone might be having a grand ol' time planting crops in the valley, but when the gigantic flood comes, it's the few people who decided to live way up high in the treacherous mountains that survive. There will always be people going against the grain.

And that is what this lifestyle is. It's the extreme. It's the far end of the spectrum that, due to it being really the only option for so many, has "become the new normal." But - that doesn't make it normal. That doesn't make it preferred. Most men - and most women - would most likely rather have stable lives raising children, so to assure the survival of both their lineage and their species. Would make sense that that shit is hard-wired into us, right? It isn't by accident that we're all here.

So - this isn't so much a judgment - or the other side of the "Neo-liberal" coin as you put it. It's just a basic look at the functional reality that exists both despite and all around this reality we've been handed as "inevitable" by our Neo-liberal masters.

So, if a girl growing up in a traditional, stable environment decides, "Hey, you know, this life seems great and all, but I really just want to get rammed by as many well hung black dudes at the same time as I possibly can," then the truth is, she'll probably have a great time exploring that lifestyle. Or, at the very least, she won't feel a societal pressure in order to acclimatize herself to something she otherwise wouldn't have really sought out, and then has to make peace with on a constant basis as it erodes her sense of self-worth. Just like there would be some guys who would be like, "You know, a family sounds great and all, but honestly, I really like spending time with myself, and if I had a choice, I would honestly just watch videos of the most beautiful women out there getting vigorously fucked whilst pleasuring myself." It's like - okay - sure. Buddy had both options at his disposal - and a system in place that would accept either of those decisions as rational and limited. Both from a legal standpoint, but more importantly, from a societal one.

And it's that societal stand-point that has been purposefully geared to encourage women to "express their freedom" by "fucking a whole bunch of randoms" and "maybe make a little money off of it on the side." For these same women to then discover that, hey, they don't like being treated like a piece of meat, and their own sense of self-worth has gone down now that they've been passed around like the Olympic torch between whoever out there had an internet connection. Or, at least, that's what all the statistics seem to point towards. That all these women while being more "free" and "liberated" than ever before - are actually the more miserable because of it.

And that's not because they're not all at home and baking cookies for their twelve kids, as you would presumptively suggest my knuckle-dragging world view is, but because the Neoliberal system which ensured this outcome wasn't "free" or "liberated" in much as it was "deliberate" and "single-minded" in it's objective (to reduce the world population - which is one of their openly stated goals).

So ... no.

None of this is normal.

But - that doesn't mean that none of this is art. It is artistic. And as far as that goes - the art and delivered purpose of the product got hurt by pissing.

Which isn't normal - as it isn't congruent to the true act of sex - which is what this is supposed to represent on some form and level. The truth is - watching people perform the act - has a whole litany of subtexts and subconscious allegories and meanings associated with it. Most that are attuned to procreation - which is the ultimate meaning of the act itself. Meaning that - not everything is relevant to it.

Two guys could, in the midst of fucking a girl, decide to stick a ping pong paddle up both their asses, and then start having an actual game of ping-pong in the middle of fucking the girl. They would call it "Ponging." Oh man! Did you see that one dude? He stuck two paddles up his ass. Fucking amazing, huh? He totally had that other guy beat. Oh yeah - and then at the end of the Ponging match - they jizzed on the girl's face.

Which is ... alright. Sound kind of stupid? Sound like it takes away from the very purpose of why you were supposed to be watching the act in the first place? Like, the part of yourself that receives and achieves some form of completion by doing it? It does, right? Sounds pretty fucking dumb, right? Well ...

Ponging = Pissing.

And no matter how much you might want to make the argument for Ponging being "totally normal" and "just a preference like any other" - it betrays the very act of what the original purpose of the act was. Which - is a perfect symptom of Neo-liberalism.

Like, if you want to act and believe things like some kind of Neoliberal fem-boy, that, regardless of what actual reality is, that anything can actually be anything else, and everything thereby suffers from lack of definition (or any real meaning) then, sure. Go ahead. You do you.

But when you come out to the public square - and you play that game of chess with someone else - don't be surprised when they tell you that, "No, you can't move the King piece to any square on the board at any time you want." And when you act indignant, like a prissy little Neolib would, and ask, "Why not?" The answer would come back, "Because, we're playing chess, not checkers."

In other words, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's "normal."

[Anselm_Weinberg]

By all intents and purposes - as a completely different section of the site, no? As I originally stated. Create a "It's Raining Men" series - and even try to include your gangbangs into that if you want - but then leave the other studios alone to achieve their original purpose.

What's the problem? Will people suddenly not be interested in piss simply because it doesn't have the "Legalporno" moniker besides it? Even if it's made by the same people? And features all the same actresses who would be interested in doing such scenes? Why did the one half have to get sacrificed for the other?

It makes no sense. Business or otherwise. Because the people who didn't like pissing have long gone for the most part. And what every studio is left with is a shuddered legacy where they desperately try to maintain a flow of models who are interested in performing the act for an audience that doesn't particularly hold them to any standards for beauty or originality or anything otherwise, so long as somebody's getting pee'd on.

Pornbox is just a clip store and no one is forcing the studios to release scenes either with or without piss, they're completely autonomous, no, even independent in that regard. There's really no overarching structure to blame. If you have the funds you can even start producing your ideal porn and publish it on this platform sans problem. Whatever the initial reasons were for the piss trend becoming dominant, it's now a quasi mandatory act if studios want to find a large audience in the long term. Whether you or I agree with this development is not relevant.

I said that the traditional structure of society is needed in order to maintain itself. And that - all things considered - this "traditional structure" actually gives enjoyment to the people who partake in it. Women suddenly don't become automatons devoid of input or action, relegated to a corner where they be demanded to shut up and keep the loom running. They actually, typically, find their life's calling when they are in a stable marriage, are raising their children, and ensuring a healthy and prosperous future for not just themselves, but for their community, their city, and their nation.

Fair enough, and I said that any order, traditional or not is historical and contingent and neither natural nor God given. This goes for both the aforementioned stable marriage, the family the way it exists right now and the fake "free love" alternatives as propagated by "neoliberalism" which is by the way nothing I have ever idealised anywhere in my post, though I do believe genuine free love is principally possible.

I couldn't give less of a shit about my or anyone else's nation (state), but you're correct in so far as to reproduce the current order of things, some specific stable institutions are needed, though not necessarily the ones of traditional variety. But my point being that the current order isn't the only potentially possible way to organise society but since for all intents and purposes as a fait accompli yes, we to have to abide by these rules and contradictions to a large extent, whether we want to do so or not. But no, there are no timeless truths in regards to the specific functioning of ALL possible societies.

But no way in hell does this compel me to choose between idealising the current state of things and "traditional societal structure". I won't judge you or anyone else for holding these traditional views, but what I despise is the intellectual dishonesty and appeal to external authority in the form of unproven purely ideological assertions along the lines of "that's just the natural order of things", either implicitly or explicitly.

"Neoliberal" fluid subjectivity and traditional values both haven't developed out of a vacuum but are born out of the concrete material and ideological realities of society and what is required of men and women to reproduce these conditions a at a given time. They cannot, in the long term, exist independently of these conditions, this surely is no relativistic position that you would find among "neoliberals"

If you just said you personally believe traditional society to be the best option going forward there would be nothing to object to, not because of some silly postmodern bullshit like "every opinion is valid, but because, on the contrary, similarly to religion, one recognises the fact that one's opinion is a belief, rather than something that necessarily naturally flows from some innate qualities in either individual people or society.

But treating it as the common sense option is a purely ideological operation, because as I said, these values were born out of a specific historical formation which, in this form, no longer exists and any hopes of restoring them to be the dominant way of life are a mere caricature and self-parody.

And while I will concede the point that I may have been wrong to to claim that you go as far as saying women should be birth machines, it's still the case that on some level you believe that women should have their rightful place, something that is determined by innate characteristics (strictly talking about social roles and behaviours, not biology which is a completely different bag), which is in fact, and particularly in the way you postulate it, something that has to this day on this level, not been proved to exist.

[hyapet]

And while I will concede the point that I may have been wrong to to claim that you go as far as saying women should be birth machines, it's still the case that on some level you believe that women should have their rightful place, something that is determined by innate characteristics (strictly talking about social roles and behaviours, not biology which is a completely different bag), which is in fact, and particularly in the way you postulate it, something that has to this day on this level, not been proved to exist.

Only that, in a way, it has.

Like any hypothesis - it needs testing in an actual lab to see if it works or not. By all means and measures - if the metric we are basing this on is happiness - then it can be seen that the "progressive Neoliberal world-view" is an absolute failure.

Then again - that's if you're basing this on happiness. Or contentment. Or, being able to function in a societal whole in a self-fulfilling manner in which you, and everyone around you, are not dabbling in extreme actions that have the capacity to destabilize oneself emotionally, physically, spiritually, and thereby society as a whole.

If we look at the end result of the current "Western Neoliberal Worldview" - again, in terms of happiness - it is an abysmal failure. What is that end result ultimately? And how can it be placed on a graph in a manner other than, "This is just how I feel," (which is where it too is breaking all records). Easy. In the number of children which are being produced.

It can be seen in all countries, from China to South Korea to America to England to ... all of them, that the number of births have plummeted. Not only this - but from an economic standpoint - it now takes two people working fulltime to achieve a fraction of the prosperity that a single person working could achieve sixty or seventy years ago. Besides exhaustion, those who do have children are really strapped for any energy to give them the upbringing and care that they need. And this lack of a familial connection is what starts people down the path into all the grievances they latter admit to having in the current "Neoliberal societal structure."

Whether that's the girl sticking large toys up her bum in front of millions of people on a camera to young men increasingly engaging in crime - it all has it's roots in the abandonment of the traditional male role model, father figure, and secure hand that would play goalie to the bad ideas and bullshit philosophies that we all, during the course of our lives, have the opportunity to engage in. Now - one could simply say that an observation such as this is a harken call-back to olden times of "Father Knows Best" and "You'll get the belt if you give me any lip!" But, rather than postulating that the entirety of society has to be driven back to some prehistoric age that, in all due respect, isn't as simplistic as some of us would often like to make seem, it's more the idea that the baby doesn't necessarily have to get thrown out with the bath water.

Not everything in the past was great - but not everything was horrible either. And the dismantling of our traditional cultural values, pretty much wholesale, has resulted in a happiness deficit, and a lack of investment in the future (re: children) that likewise feeds into that deficit.

And - according to the Neoliberal Worldview - everything is working as it should.

In the 1960's - all the leading business minds got together and figured out, pretty much, that if everyone keeps on being happy, and producing children, and eating their hamburgers, and driving their cars, and consuming, endlessly consuming, everything from water to land to trees to ... everything - that we're pretty much all large-scale fucked. And that the only two options awaiting everyone then would to either go into a massive war over the resources that were left, or to have a mass-die out due to starvation and dehydration and ... yeah. So, all things considered ...

They decided to implement a system whereby the World's population curbs itself gradually, ahead of this theoretical (but still very plausible) world end-date (which was to be around the 2030's or 2040's, I believe). At the same time, exhausting people's means to purchase (and pollute) the environment around them, by gradually making everyone poorer. And, by and large, you're looking at a pretty successful implementation of that system.

And the result?

The traditional fulfillment that Jeanie would have gotten by being a mother and taking part in a community she cared about and cared for her got replaced with IG likes and the number of tips she receives for putting a can of peas up her bum - and the traditional fulfillment that Jack would have gotten by being a father and protecting said community he cared about and cared for him got replaced with unloading his frustration into a paper napkin as he watches Jeanie fill up her bum with pees on a glowing screen.

This "everything is relativistic" approach only really applies when the key ingredients you are working with are truly fluid and jelly-like. In that, they have no predisposed shape or preference or institutional framework guiding their desires and beliefs. But ...

People do have those things.

So, the idea that you can transplant a person from a "traditional environment" that supported and allowed for the fulfillment of all of those key ingredients into one that doesn't is the same as saying that, hey, you can take a penguin from the Antarctic and transport him into the Sahara Desert, and boy, everything's just going to be dandy, doesn't really work out that way. In fact ...

That penguin is going to be pretty miserable and pissed. And ... lo and behold ... look at where people are at today.

Why is that penguin pissed? Because he understands, on an innate level, that with the lack of snow and water, he's fucked. There's no crafting of an opinion that that penguin can do that will somehow disable that reality from being present and from glaring at him in the face with every step he takes. So, likewise ...

When you put Jack and Jeanie in a situation they've never been in before, but through which they can tell that their innate desire to fulfill all the key ingredients of their existence is missing and won't be fulfilled, then ... obviously. They're not going to be too happy about it.

Or else, if they would be, then Civilization as a whole wouldn't have come as far as it had. It would have died out long ago. Cavemen would've been like, "Let's look at the sea today," instead of gathering together to kill the saber-tooth tiger and chase and molest the local Cavewoman.

So ... things might actually be a little bit more concrete than the "everything is relativistic" worldview that Neoliberal purports that we all simultaneously came to understand by complete coincidence. And - perhaps it's true - maybe a large number of us do need to live unfilled lives in order to save the chance for the remainder that makes it to still be able to live on the planet.

But - ultimately - from the point-of-view from the life that should be lived in that it's inherently baked into our very core identity and subsequent DNA as living beings - this life really kinda fucking sucks.

And, according to the statistics, it bears out that thesis. Jeanie is miserable with her can of peas - and Jack is not much happier watching her through that screen.

Who's right and who's wrong - that can be debated. This entire result comes about the ultimate need for survival of the whole. That being said - it can certainly be guessed that, in the future, should we ever come to the point where we can stabilize the planet into a healthy balance, people certainly won't be living like this anymore.

In fact - ironically - they would probably choose, giving true freedom, something that looks much closer to the "tradition" that we've all been taught to abandon as the pre-historic all-things-were-worse days of yore.

[petermc934]

If we want to be real about this - piss absolutely didn't help the site overall. The sales may have been good, but the cost for that was just too high.

I don't get turned on by girl's drinking pee. That has nothing to do with what I'm about to say.

First off, there's just something so ... non-sexual about it. It's an exercise in degradation, which, sure, can be a turn on, but let's see how that most likely affected the business as a whole.

Getting the traditional non-Russian porn actress to do DAP was always climbing to the summit of Everest. It's the last stop to "full blown whore mode" for the girl - who, from that point forward, will have all her future works compared to that one. Thing is, though! It was indeed possible. It all took place under the umbrella of "porn."

Adding pissing into the mix of literally everything only moved that summit another 10,000 feet into the sky. With the end result being - many of the amazingly hot American porn-stars who would have most likely been more than willing to do a few shoots (even DAP's) with the AV/PB studios were now like, "Nah ... I shoot porn. Not degradation fetish. I want to at least be able to lie to people that I'm still 'an artist,' which is next to impossible to do when you're out there glugging piss."

The act also tainted everything else that appeared on the site. Where, at the end of the day, Legalporno became the place where "people go to get pee'd on." It effectively took the site out of the circuit for most North American performers who, looked at their porn careers as having some actual longevity. Where, the idea is being able to perform and tape 100+ scenes of 1 on 1 pussy, or anal, with a few DP's thrown in here and there. Where their looks were good enough to warrant a long career.

Instead of being the place that one could go to unleash a few scenes that made everyone turn their heads and go, Wow ... and thereby give their career a shot in the arm in terms of sales and people paying attention, it instead cast itself off as this kind of fetish-zone, where people went when they had nothing else to either lose or do. Or, where they were specifically targeting the kink-market.

Even worse - as the representative for Double Anal market wide - it likewise cast the act of Double Anal more into the arena of shit people watch when they're interested in things other than sex rather than nearing it more towards the market of "normal porn." Like ... you might not want to hear this, but ... with all the peeing going on here, what Legalporno did and does to this day is a lot closer to scat-"porn" than to "regular porn." The fetish on display here is ingesting bodily discharges - which, really, has nothing to do with the art or the act of fucking.

And it's this act and the degrading tinge it brings with it always - alongside the social pariah status that it enlists upon the people who partake in it - that turned Legalporno from the place it could have been into the place that it is. It went from possibly being the spot gorgeous American could-be-models went to actually perform DP and DAP-breakin' gangbangs into a spot where, the tell-tale sign of a "Legalporno performer" that wasn't Russian was that they: were toothpick skinny (often on the borderline "might have drug problems" territory) which also meant, often, that they had no natural tits; that they were tattoo'd up the wazoo with the briefcase of Daddy issues that came with it; and that they were "into it," meaning, the performers weren't like, "I don't know if I can handle this, I'm fearful for my asshole," and more like, "Yeah! Stick another one in there guys! This is like my morning exercise routine!" So ...

More-so than that, though ... it's just the feeling of the site. And, well ... there's a lot more to go into. Like ... a lot. And those arguments, from the craft of putting together a good scene, to the energy and mystique of the brand itself, pissing all affected negatively. I'll break into those other subjects in some follow up posts, but, definitely ... pissing didn't help the site overall. And by that I mean ...

People who were fans of beautiful girls getting DAP'd - were sidelined - and the main focus of the site became indulging in degrading acts outside of porn rather than maximizing the appeal of the apex of porn itself. It's like when you're a big-time climate activist - and you have the chance to positively affect the world and what it consumes and produces - but instead, you spend your time sticking up for people who go and abduct people and murder mothers and their children in cold blood. It's like ... the brand got fucking tainted.

And, even if you don't hate pissing on people, you can feel it in your bones that the site Legalporno could have been, in that, an absolutely high-end studio that specializes in and produces some of the most captivating porn possible, instead became this greasy spot where any fetish can be indulged in as long as it brings a dollar.

Legalporno, AV/PB, all of them - they want to make money. Just a shame that we all missed out on some incredible actresses actually doing DAP - so that we could get the same five actresses in an endless cycle of getting performing the same degrading shit over and over and over again.

I'll leave it there for now. And remember - I don't hate pissing or anything like that - but I am being real as to what it did to the brand itself.

A lot more girls shoot piss scenes than shoot double anal scenes. Look at content creators like 2Drops who gets top pornstars in pissing scenes. Even AGO has scenes with girls doing piss who don’t even shoot anal, let alone double and triple anal. Extreme penetrations which potentially cause lasting damage will put more girls off shooting than being covered in harmless warm liquid even if it’s nasty warm liquid. I guarantee you more girls would shoot here if they were just required to do wet scenes and weren’t being pressured into doing DA. I know the odd exception, like Eden Ivy, has held off but most are expected to shoot it.

[kzt0678]

i like piss

[dap-addict]

I guarantee you more girls would shoot here if they were just required to do wet scenes and weren’t being pressured into doing DA. I know the odd exception, like Eden Ivy, has held off but most are expected to shoot it.

Nobody is pressured into DAP same as nobody is pressured into piss.
Both are just options to earn more $$$ and get more popular.
Exceptions are exceptions, Eden Ivy now, Veronica Leal before and yet earlier Gina Gerson.

[Breno_Oliveira1]

Make the Human Urinal series real! We want to see This girls drinking liters from buckets, bowls, beer glasses full of piss and cum. Like a cum dumpster
Make the girls beg for more thick, sticky cum, and salty yellow urine
Treat her like a human toilet, put your cock down her throat, and piss down her throat, don’t stop piss until she chokes , and if she takes the dick out of her mouth, slap her face. Put a funnel in her mouth, piss, spit, and cum in the funnel, make her drink it all, without spilling a drop.
Don't forget to put a toilet on the model's head, so she doesn't forget what it is
she is a human toilet
urinate liters in transparent buckets, then gather as many men as you can and cum in the urine, give the bucket with thick cum and yellow urine to her to drink.
She is like a piece of trash, she is not human, she is an object, a toy to give pleasure to men.
She is a human urinal, a cum drinker.

[isis666xxx]

According to 99,99 % of the world, I'm not saying it, go to any porn site in the world and always the most consumed content will be the traditional hardcore anal sex, the only crazy people who consume urine, vomit, prolapse (and who knows in the future what else) are you.

im not crazy

i like to piss on others because of sadism, degradation is fun

sadism & masochism is a primal thing we all have

also why prolapses are so bad???? i personally dont care much about them cuz i find them kinda boring, but they are nice i think