Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

[Christopher_Williams1]

There are tons of models looking like goddess that literally shoot custom video for 100$/minute and use platforms like OF to engage with their customer making tens of thousands of dollars a month, some hundreds. There are even more just good looking girls that are doing almost that well or enough well to avoid any kind a pro-porn.
These girls are not going to shoot any kind of pro-porn, these girls that are not attracted at all from Evil Angel, Brazzers and so on.

Exactly. Louis Theroux interviewed Mia Malkova for his Forbidden America documentary back in 2021 and she said she was earning $180,000 per month off OnlyF. Crazy amounts of money.

How do porn directors compete with that?! They don't. She has literally no incentive to ever film porn again with a commercial studio. I'd argue that anyone earning 1/10th of what Mia does, probably doesn't either.

Filming content for commercial porn studios is really the stepping stone for new talent to earn far more money off OnlyF. A fairly new OnlyF account like https://www.youtube.com/@KaiRazy would benefit from filming commercial porn to get the number of subscribers up, but she'll eventually reach a level of popularity and money coming in where it doesn't make sense anymore.

It's just the way it is now.

I just hate it when people pick a figure that only like the top 10 earners of the entire platform make. I did sign up for Kira Thorn fanpage, briefly, and it wasn't really for me, so I unsubscribed. I don't know her finances, but it's apparent that it wasn't enough to maintain the page, as it has now been like a year since she last logged in. And while I was there, I noticed that the interaction of her fans on the page was very minimal. And we could probably agree that she is pretty and should be a top 10% earner at the very least.

But yeah, I don't think OF complicates how competitive an offer can be to a performer.

I do agree that performing can be a stepping stone, but it rarely propels them to where an actress would rather be.

[M_sicas_Candido]

The good news though for actresses is that the revenue would rarely completely disappear, unless they are 70.

Or, if their content becomes repetitive and boring, which will certainly displease the public and their lives will no longer sell.

[hyapet]

I just hate it when people pick a figure that only like the top 10 earners of the entire platform make. I did sign up for Kira Thorn fanpage, briefly, and it wasn't really for me, so I unsubscribed. I don't know her finances, but it's apparent that it wasn't enough to maintain the page, as it has now been like a year since she last logged in. And while I was there, I noticed that the interaction of her fans on the page was very minimal. And we could probably agree that she is pretty and should be a top 10% earner at the very least.

But yeah, I don't think OF complicates how competitive an offer can be to a performer.

I do agree that performing can be a stepping stone, but it rarely propels them to where an actress would rather be.

Well, OF isn't porn.

It's a completely different skill set that's required. They both have completely different requirements.

A porn actress has to know how to hold positions, take large amounts of cock, and move in a way that's (usually) "slutty." In that - they're asking to be rammed with gigantic amounts of cock.

An OF performer has to know how to converse and talk - keep engagement by being interesting, and move in a way that's a lot more "seductive." Her taking her top off is a big deal. It's not something she just discards like it's going to be in the way.

A porn actress appeals to our fantasy - whereas an OF performer appeals to our reality.

Thing is, though ... fantasy is typically a lot more appealing than reality. Not just this, but the boundaries of fantasy are a lot less restrictive. The locales can be numerous, the scenarios can be of infinite variety, and the acts performed have a much larger pool to swim in. Thing is, though ...

Girls would much rather do OF. I've said it before (prior to Giorgio mentioning it - but he mentioned it as well - and he would actually know - and I was just talking from common sense), but if you give a girl the choice between taking her top off once a week for $50,000 a month, or having trouble both walking and taking a shit for a couple weeks after for $3,000 - it's not hard to see where the girl's preference would lie.

Thing is, though, one OF page is indistinguishable from the next. If you've got 100,000 performers - what chance do you have to break out from the other 99,999? Only the top beauties can make it on their own without any help. Like - people will just automatically flock to their page the very second they see her picture literally anywhere. The rest?

Have fun feeding at the bottom. Where you're unknown enough to make any serious profit, but known enough to have your pictures permanently on the Internet to prevent any kind of traditional life from that point thereafter.

So - porn actually becomes the perfect gateway for these wannabe OF girls. An industry that has gathering points for tens to hundreds of thousands of people - who, once they've seen you, and look you up afterwards, absolutely will find your OF page. Thing is ...

What kind of porn do you want to shoot?

And considering all the different (much less heavy) options available on the market - most truly beautiful girls probably don't want to have folks visiting their page expecting them to put something gigantic up their ass. So, what that does is effectively ...

Cut the ceiling of Giorgio's - and all of Analvids - talent acquisition much lower. Getting a girl that is a B+ is an incredible find, whereas in the old days, A+'s would be strolling through the studios on the regular.

In the old porn world - porn actresses would increasingly have to step up the "breaking ladder" - in order to maintain their audiences and pay rate. Unless they were incredibly, unbelievably beautiful. But now ...

The minute they actually even have an audience is the moment they can essentially say goodbye to the porn game and try to make it on their own. Only coming back if they find the audience they got is starting to thin out.

It rips the floor right out from underneath Analvids. Analvids was the place where all amazing talents would eventually end up. Now ... it's a level that most don't have to worry about going to. They've already got their own audience long before needing to hit that step of the breaking ladder. Especially if they're incredibly beautiful.

Which is why Eastern Europe and South America will become the new homes of this level of porn. American and European girls are off the market. And they have plenty of very light hardcore porn houses they can go to in America and Europe to get their faces out there to their potential customers before ever having to go to Analvids.

It's only in places where economic circumstances are pretty dire that a place like Analvids will have a hope of getting top tier talent. They were incredibly smart to have ventured into South America when they did. Like, years ago. A scene like the latest Hayek sisters DAP shot by Natasha Teen is what Analvids was all about in it's heyday. Incredibly beautiful girls getting into truly degrading porn.

If Analvids knew what was up - they would do their utmost to keep performers like Baby Kxtten around. Girls that got into it before the OF boom really took off. Because ... there probably isn't a lot of truly beautiful talent coming up the pipe to replace them anymore.

Which is exactly what Giorgio was referring to.

[lp-fan]

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OF (and similar) do not compete with us on the content itself, but it competes on the recruiting of girls. When a few years ago we were an opportunity for a model to get an high payout, now we are not (and when I use WE, I mean the Producers in general)

The main problem in "classic porn" (I mean produced from Producers) is the very low number of female performers available to work for us, this bring to less releases, because there are too less profitable girls.

All the rest is bs.

P.S.: I am still waiting to know who are the academics[/quote]

Hi Giorgio, do you see any chance this situation will get better for the producers some day. Or will we have to live with it forever.

[isis666xxx]

Well, OF isn't porn.

any sexual act recorded in camera is porn

a porn video is a video showing people having sex
society considers nudity 'porn' too though, but society is stupid, all animals are designed to be naked and they dont do nothing sexual for being simply naked



from the creators of 'porn isnt real, is a fantasy'

now comes 'OF isnt porn'

also the sequel 'porn actresses arent whores'

now available in cinemas

[Jimbo8012395]

I just hate it when people pick a figure that only like the top 10 earners of the entire platform make. I did sign up for Kira Thorn fanpage, briefly, and it wasn't really for me, so I unsubscribed. I don't know her finances, but it's apparent that it wasn't enough to maintain the page, as it has now been like a year since she last logged in. And while I was there, I noticed that the interaction of her fans on the page was very minimal. And we could probably agree that she is pretty and should be a top 10% earner at the very least.

But yeah, I don't think OF complicates how competitive an offer can be to a performer.

I do agree that performing can be a stepping stone, but it rarely propels them to where an actress would rather be.

I'm not just cherry picking figures. There are dozens of girls who earn near/close to what Mia Malkova makes and thousands who make 6 figures. My mate's little sister (23-27 at the time) was on OnlyF for 4 years (2017-2021) and managed to make 6 figures until she came off due to being in a relationship.

She would routinely charge £30 per minute for anal scenes and 1 of her subscribers bought 5 anal scenes from her in a month at an average of £250 per scene. He also bought her £1,000 worth of lingerie and a 65 inch flat screen TV. He spent over £5,000 on her when he was on the site.

I don't know what Kira Thorn's circumstances are/were, but I distinctly recall she was an escort at one point. Being an escort and running an OnlyF is a LOT OF WORK. OnlyF is a full time job in itself. Also, being fluent in English definitely helps.

[M_sicas_Candido]

if you give a girl the choice between taking her top off once a week for $50,000 a month [...] it's not hard to see where the girl's preference would lie.

The question is: how long can this be sustained? Yes, because they can't possibly be so stupid as to imagine that it will be possible to keep their free-spending fan base doing these ridiculous and repetitive things for long.

It seems that the natural cycle process has reversed: in the past, studios recruited new girls based on their social media. They would watch the pages or amateur videos of those girls in order to close a contract for some scenes. I think Bangbros did this a lot.

But the order has changed: new girls now quickly enter AV studios; they shoot some scenes to attract fans and lovers; after a while, they get lazy, they settle down - the next destination is OF.

Only coming back if they find the audience they got is starting to thin out.

This will inevitably happen. We just hope this doesn't happen too late. Now my interest (and I believe that of the majority here too) is in the AV girls who eventually migrated to OF. Outside the AV universe, there is no interest.

[misangrenegra2]

What is a mess is that people prefer support and pay for crap and bored porn, the majority of the content of that kind of plataforms is low level, there are very few exceptions of top girls who really does a great content, but the % of good content is almost 0.

What is alarming is who that group of people decides to pay for "something" instead for pay for QUALITY, what is what the professional studios offer.

The situation is upside down: A crap work produces better earnings than a professional work.

[Jimbo8012395]

What is a mess is that people prefer support and pay for crap and bored porn, the majority of the content of that kind of plataforms is low level, there are very few exceptions of top girls who really does a great content, but the % of good content is almost 0.

What is alarming is who that group of people decides to pay for "something" instead for pay for QUALITY, what is what the professional studios offer.

The situation is upside down: A crap work produces better earnings than a professional work.

People pay because it's custom content and they have direction over the scenes that are created. They can choose what the girl wears, what sex acts she does. It's also a connection with the porn star herself. That's the point of OnlyF. It's not for me, but it's more user orientated experience and so I can see the appeal.

The problem is how expensive that gets. You're looking at a min $150 per video for say 5 to 10 mins of anal content. As I said in above post, one guy spent over £5,000 in a 6 month period on a girl I know who used to be on OnlyF. When I heard that it blew my fucking mind.

[Jimbo8012395]

Only coming back if they find the audience they got is starting to thin out.

This will inevitably happen. We just hope this doesn't happen too late. Now my interest (and I believe that of the majority here too) is in the AV girls who eventually migrated to OF. Outside the AV universe, there is no interest.

This has always been the case and was actually much worse in the past. Studios are more likely to turn a blind eye to age now because there's a dearth of girls who'll do DP, DAP etc. It was quite unsual to see women over 30 years old performing outside of niche porn 20 years ago. Pretty much all the girls were in the 18-25 year range. This has definitely changed.

Having said all that, girls do have a finite time in the biz for a variety of factors. The girl I knew left because she met a new guy and is now married to him. She made enough money to put down a £150k deposit down on a house. Porn stars should always think sensibly about how they save and/or invest their money. If they can make 1/4 to 1/2 a mill a year for 5+ years, then this sets them up well for a degree of financial independence in the future.

[hyapet]

Well, OF isn't porn.

any sexual act recorded in camera is porn

a porn video is a video showing people having sex
society considers nudity 'porn' too though, but society is stupid, all animals are designed to be naked and they dont do nothing sexual for being simply naked



from the creators of 'porn isnt real, is a fantasy'

now comes 'OF isnt porn'

also the sequel 'porn actresses arent whores'

now available in cinemas

That's cute.

If you ignore literally everything the post was about. It seems reading isn't your strong suit, so I'll break down what was actually said instead of just the words that were placed next to one another.

OF isn't porn in what the definition has become. Much like the words "detonating a bomb" forever changed after Hiroshima - watching "porn" has changed since the advent of the Internet.

Back in the VHS days - all porn was on OF level. Grimy. Dirty. Bad lighting. Tight spaces. Even porno theater porn was shot on the equivalent of a handheld camera. The girls as well were all the above. Grimy. Dirty. Old. Actual whores that had run through the streets enough times that anything was now on the table.

So, what changed? Money. Even in the early 2000's - with bigger budgets and younger actresses - most of the American shot porn suffered from the same problems. Small rooms. Shitty cameras. Bad lighting. The difference was the money that was coming in. One of the first studios to actually put more of an "art" into the whole thing was AVLP. The larger rooms - the "sets" - the choreographed nature shared between different scenes indicating an actual plan instead of just basic random fucking - the make-up artists - and the music. These were all things that AVLP pretty much brought into porn.

Now, some fifteen years later almost, take a video like NRX Dark Side Eva Barbie. Look at the insane production that went into the whole thing. Now - turn on an OF stream. What do you see? Shitty camera. Small room. Bad lighting. Grimy. Dirty. It's all the way back to the late 90's in terms of quality. Forget any artistry.

So - AVLP was essentially the atomic bomb of porn. They took it to a level that was more representative of fantasy. These scenarios are in no way or form meant to portray actual reality. Unless you consider a top notch model stripping slowly in a completely white room to then be surrounded by five fourteen inch cock black dudes with their sausages hanging out to be representative of reality.

Saying that OF is "porn" - as in, what the descriptor has morphed and changed into - is the same as saying that a McDonalds hamburger is a Michellin two-star meal. Are they both food? Yes. But, obviously, that's where the comparisons end.

That means that "porn" in and of itself belongs to one of these two groups. Seeing as AVLP adhered to and advanced what the term itself was - it should be seen as the proper holder of the title. You know who else seems to agree?

Everybody on OF. Why? Because they don't tell people that they shoot porn. They tell them that they do OF. Obviously, if the people who actually do it see it differently, because, you know, it is actually different, then what's your argument?

That the whole world is wrong?

Things have changed in the past four years. There's a lot more that goes into this - but, we're dealing with the basics for now.

Are we up to speed with 2024 yet? If you need any more help, just let me know.

[hyapet]

This will inevitably happen. We just hope this doesn't happen too late. Now my interest (and I believe that of the majority here too) is in the AV girls who eventually migrated to OF. Outside the AV universe, there is no interest.

What's going to happen is a new equilibrium is going to be established.

It will bulge one way - then the other - and then work itself out into a more middle type ground. On the one hand it will be a dearth of talent for AVLP - on the other it will be a surplus.

Right now - we're in the dearth phase. What's happened is that a whole sea of talent has moved over to the "Wild West" of porn that is the OF. All lured by the tales of the incredibly rich and successful that actually did find gold. New freshly minted millionaires with, as with the example Jimbo8012395 provided, pay pigs who are happy to spend outrageous amounts of money on the girl of their choice receiving basically nothing in return. A feminist fantasy on steroids.

With a whole generation of girls told that they are automatically "10 out of 10s" - they all see themselves taking advantage of the men they despise alongside never having to work or worry again. So - a gigantic OF surge is currently happening.

But! There is only so much gold in those mountains. And only so many good spots to dig. For every thousand girls that join - one might hit the jackpot. Now - there is still lots of gold to go around for the other 999 left shy of millionaire status - but, the question then becomes, how to access it?

Well - obviously, like all social media games, the nature of the beast is how to bait the hook. If you've merely got a profile picture lined up against 999,999 other profile pictures on the same site - fish will be hard to come by. There needs to be larger pools of available customers that would be more than happy to pay - but who they just don't have access to yet.

Enter AVLP. Now, here is a site that because of the OF Wild West gold rush, is featuring performers well past their prime and for whom the audience is both starved and craving of new content. The perfect farming ground for a relative unknown to come and put her hook into the water. Now, suddenly, another switch has occurred!

AVLP's greatest asset aren't the girls that they have in their roster - it's the audience they possess!

Now - in what has to be one the greatest ironies of all time - it's the huddled throngs of horny men that end up being the real lure to all of the girl's who are thinking of joining and shooting with the studio.

So ... how does this work out in AVLP's favor? Well - the acquisition by OF of like ... 99% of the market - will eventually mean that even some of the A+++ girls on the platform might be looking at their bottom line and figuring that, "I should be doing way better than this." When that moment hits - and they see AVLP's userbase - then that's the moment the dearth of talent starts to transform into a surplus.

Especially when the first real knock-out of a girl decides to try it - does a couple BBC DAP scenes - and then goes back to OF to realize she's got like a hundred times the customers she had before. News will spread - and suddenly more top tier beauties will start showing up to AVLP's doorstep with their resumes in hand.

Which is why it's essential for AVLP to establish longer contracts from the get-go. So, at the very least, the performer has to do one BBC DAP scene. Something so that the AVLP isn't teased - and then left with no ultimate pay-off. Which is what's happened to a few performers in the past - not many - but still, a few.

But yeah - theoretically, at least, that's what would make the most sense to me. Giorgio and the other producers at AV just have to hold out during the dearth period. But, more importantly ...

Be ready for when the surplus hits.

[M_sicas_Candido]

The problem is how expensive that gets. You're looking at a min $150 per video for say 5 to 10 mins of anal content. As I said in above post, one guy spent over £5,000 in a 6 month period on a girl I know who used to be on OnlyF.

I wonder about the chances of someone having luck like that girl you mentioned. Certainly, they are not big. It's her credit that she managed to stimulate that guy's fantasies; she must have been very professional. But, back to the reality of AV girls: where did they achieve the height of fame in the industry? It was right here, in AV! Shooting strong hardcore scenes - and pleasing a very specific user base. I am absolutely sure that no AV user would be willing to spend thousands of pounds on pornographic content in such a short time just because the girl can offer personalized content.

Jolee is an excellent example of someone who, despite having a considerable fan base, would most likely not be included in that very restricted list of girls who became "millionaires" producing for OF. I've read a lot of comments here from appreciators of hers who wouldn't be as willing to support her outside of AV. Will she return? I don't know; but, if she had depended on her fans, she should have never left.

I've noticed that some girls are having to share their content on more popular platforms that offer subscription plans (like Xvideos and Phub) because OF alone doesn't generate visibility. Mediators will often be needed.

[Giorgio Grandi]

If Analvids knew what was up - they would do their utmost to keep performers like Baby Kxtten around. Girls that got into it before the OF boom really took off. Because ... there probably isn't a lot of truly beautiful talent coming up the pipe to replace them anymore.

Which is exactly what Giorgio was referring to.

yes, finally.

P.S. Kitten will came back to shoot, we did not lose her.

and I would add: Covid nonsense policy speeded up the transition from "Classic Producers" to "Content Creator". The girls were at home for months and they started to do what was available realising it would work well. What supposed to happen in 5-10 years, it happened in 2

If you want to blame the lack of girls shooting pro-porn, one of the fingers is pointed directly to who supported all the covid nonsense policy (politicians and citizens)

[M_sicas_Candido]

some of the A+++ girls on the platform might be looking at their bottom line and figuring that, "I should be doing way better than this." When that moment hits - and they see AVLP's userbase - then that's the moment the dearth of talent starts to transform into a surplus.

Wow! This sounds very prophetic, but it makes perfect sense. For anyone to expect that they will make a lot of money as a content creator on OF just because the scenes she shot in AV sold a lot is a guarantee of absolutely nothing. The girls are leaving, but if their audience here doesn't follow them, what's the point? It seems like they didn't understand that!

[Jimbo8012395]

The problem is how expensive that gets. You're looking at a min $150 per video for say 5 to 10 mins of anal content. As I said in above post, one guy spent over £5,000 in a 6 month period on a girl I know who used to be on OnlyF.

I wonder about the chances of someone having luck like that girl you mentioned. Certainly, they are not big. It's her credit that she managed to stimulate that guy's fantasies; she must have been very professional.

Admittedly, my mate's sister's attractive . She was in her early 20's when she started. 5ft 5 (1m 65), 8 stone (50kg), was a B Cup, no tattoos and pretty. Probably an 8 out of 10. Girl next door with a great figure but not unusually beautiful. Most men would think she's fit, but she wouldn't have a bunch of guys gawping at her if she came into a room. She looks quite a lot like Linda Sirens tbh: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/152743

Thus, had a few things in her favour, but girls like her are ten-a-penny in porn. She just worked very hard and was good at self promotion (Tw*tter, Insta etc). Being a stripper likely helped with the performance aspects.

Was she in the right place at the right time? Yes.
Did she do anything that couldn't be achieved by a young, pretty girl with the right work ethic and an ability to perform? Probably not.

[hyapet]

If Analvids knew what was up - they would do their utmost to keep performers like Baby Kxtten around. Girls that got into it before the OF boom really took off. Because ... there probably isn't a lot of truly beautiful talent coming up the pipe to replace them anymore.

Which is exactly what Giorgio was referring to.

yes, finally.

P.S. Kitten will came back to shoot, we did not lose her.

and I would add: Covid nonsense policy speeded up the transition from "Classic Producers" to "Content Creator". The girls were at home for months and they started to do what was available realising it would work well. What supposed to happen in 5-10 years, it happened in 2

If you want to blame the lack of girls shooting pro-porn, one of the fingers is pointed directly to who supported all the covid nonsense policy (politicians and citizens)

The legend himself addresses me. Your words and assurances of Baby Kxtten's future at the site brings me much pleasure. It's great to see that you not only help create, but actually kept one of her generations greatest beauties, talents, and stars. Amazing job.

And you nailed it - Covid really made the OF boom take off. Most performers would be hesitant with starting their own business - as it's something completely new with complete dependence on themselves. In the past, it was always about getting a job in the industry. Typically, performers in adult entertainment aren't doctors, nurses, engineers, or business entrepreneurs. There's a wall to climb there that, understandably, keeps a lot of them at bay. Something really drastic would have to take place in order to make it happen ... like all traditional businesses stopping production. And everyone sitting at home in front of the computer anyways.

Not just this - but when the risk of going out is possibly catching it from anyone on the way there - never mind at the studio itself - then the whole thing quickly transforms from "... maybe one day ..." into, "Why not, let's give this a shot." To say nothing of the lack of competition and the fact that the entire OF field was open for grabs - with hardly any pre-established accounts on the platform. It was essentially the perfect brew for creating an avalanche that quickly turned from an option into the thing you gotta do.

But, there is hope yet. As I stated in my prior post in this thread - the new, beautiful, fresh talent will be coming back to the site. The only difference will be ...

The transformation of what the site itself is. It will cease being a business opportunity for the models - as much as it will be an audience opportunity. There's two factors at play that ultimately will lead to (a potential) golden age for this site again.

The first being - the professionalism and technique that has come with two decades of re-inventing, re-envisioning, and recreating what porn even is. People didn't come here because this place simply existed. They came here because of insanely high level productions that took some real visionaries to put together. Where the female talent gets elevated to a sexual status amongst men that makes what models were in the 80s and 90s pale in comparison. Meaning - the audience of this site isn't leaving. They might follow a performer here or there - check in on them - maybe even make some OF purchases - sure. But, a girl sitting in front of a camera will never replicate what this site can do, or who it can attract as an audience. I've seen people use the word "niche" when describing our audience here. That is unfair. When a population becomes this large - it starts to represent a demographic. Which, again, is what the future girl's will be coming for.

The second being - the breaking ladder didn't disappear on OF. There might be some morons who pay tens of thousands of dollars to their favorite OF girl - but, the girls who receive that are in the vast minority. In fact, the girl's who make enough to be able to actually support themselves financially in real life is in the vast, vast minority. So - they're there - but ... they're not making it. Unfortunately - once you go there - you can never come back. It's like crossing into a black hole - you're forever sucked in. Your pictures are now on the Internet. Any potential future partner that would have made a good husband/whoever is going to look at you - and see immediately the look on his mother's face when she finds out what pictures of her daughter-in-law are on the Internet. Meaning - for the girls - now what?

It means - they're in a race to accumulate an audience. And not just this - the clock is ticking. There are only so many years where their natural beauty will be enough to (potentially) give them the pathway to secure retirement. So - they had better find an audience - and fast.

Now, this isn't every OF performer. But - all the girl's who already do big dildo work (and there are some stunners on there) - they would have no problem. Girl's that already do anal (albeit with dildos or men of not the same size) - they would be more than willing to make the jump. OF has a virtual sea of incredibly beautiful talent that isn't getting half of what they no doubt could get - simply because the way the site itself works is rudimentary and doesn't allow for an equal viewing chance for all participants. OF was built like Facebook was - just kinda ... making it up as they went along.

OF is like a gigantic machine that everyone is in such awe of the size of - that everybody is missing all the waste it produces. There are tons of incredibly beautiful girls locked into an unsustainable platform that have no chance of escaping from the profession itself.

Somebody at AVLP needs to make a team who knows how to navigate the entirety of OF. How to hit all the hidden performers who are 9.5 out of 10s but whom just don't know how to advertise themselves. And then create a package that highlights all the core strengths of AVLP's gigantic audience and how the contract with the site is the stepping stone to the space in the career they want to be at.

It's not only that everyone at OF isn't happy with the site - the vast majority aren't. It just seems that the rest of the porn industry has been slow on picking up on this - and developing a metric by which they can cast nets out to hundreds of 9.5's every week or month - and in turn, bring in at least three or four.

The halls of AVLP could be filled with some of the most gorgeous talent that ever existed on the site at any given time. It just has to learn how to secretly farm OF - so that it can get it's digs on the resources that the rest of the porn industry has let slip by.

Like all things - in all markets - they eventually merge into a singular whole. Rather than seeing OF as the end all be all that will destroy porn - look at it like the biggest recruitment platform of all time. It already did all the hard work for you guys. It already convinced all the girl's to be performers.

You just gotta go in there now and scoop them up.

[M_sicas_Candido]

I've seen people use the word "niche" when describing our audience here. That is unfair. When a population becomes this large - it starts to represent a demographic.

Okay, maybe I'd better clarify: I used the word "niche" in the context that users here have very segmented tastes and interests (unlike any other generic, stereotypical user - the pubescent teenager who masturbates several times a day). No, that's definitely not what we see here. There are several men here who are actually interested above all in the quality of productions and who watch studio content critically and analytically.

This audience is too valuable to risk for the adventure and seduction of becoming an independent content creator.

I think if every AV performer discovered the power this forum has, they would value this audience more.

[visigoth2020260]

Sadly, this forum is niche; I can get 20k–30k views in 2 or 3 days on other forums, but here I merely get 100s of views.
Maybe the problem is that users can create endless new topics.
Who knows?

This is more like a personal forum for a handful of friends.

https://www.xvideos.com/video.uditiame7 ... ow_gio2760

[lp-fan]

If Analvids knew what was up - they would do their utmost to keep performers like Baby Kxtten around. Girls that got into it before the OF boom really took off. Because ... there probably isn't a lot of truly beautiful talent coming up the pipe to replace them anymore.

Which is exactly what Giorgio was referring to.

yes, finally.

P.S. Kitten will came back to shoot, we did not lose her.

and I would add: Covid nonsense policy speeded up the transition from "Classic Producers" to "Content Creator". The girls were at home for months and they started to do what was available realising it would work well. What supposed to happen in 5-10 years, it happened in 2

If you want to blame the lack of girls shooting pro-porn, one of the fingers is pointed directly to who supported all the covid nonsense policy (politicians and citizens)

Hello Giorgio, do you see any chance the situation could get better again in future. I mean getting more nice girls into hardcore studio porn again?

[dap-addict]

Btw, your way to write it is also one of the reason why almost no porn director in the word interact anymore with the users and is one of the reason all porn forum related to paysites do not exist anymore or, like this one, lose importance for a website.

Criticism is every time important, but frustrated rants are not.

Gotcha, I have it!
Its not for me, not an answer to my questions even, but still: So how will you get to this criticism and where will you read it when you are killing this forum?

Because that is what's done here actually: No direct studio updates in girls forum threads anymore & forum link hidden away so that consumers feeling they would like to write how they liked the product cant find the forum anymore.
And yes, Giorgio, I know you have a direct say how things are presented here on landing page meanwhile, so don't hide here please.

[hyapet]

They hide the link away because the minute a new visitor would decide to check out the forum to see what this place is about (and what kind of person would hang out here), they'd find some third grader screaming their head off in ALL CAPS about how shitty the site is, how shitty the producers are, and how they are single-handedly ruining porn.

No information - no suggestions - no bringing up an actual issue with evidence or facts - just an absolute brain-dead waste of a specimen that adds up to the most tragic tale of the one that the Trojan couldn't catch.

There's more than one of those people here. So ... what is AVLP going to do? Play referee and goalie to these space-wasters and chase them around after they make new account after new account and ban them each and every time to absolutely no avail? They're coming back! Whilst then having those underwear stains travel to other forums and spread the word about how the management at AVLP ban users off their forum that have issue with the quality of their site?

Who needs that shit?

This place is awesome. Regardless of that very small collection of people. But - AVLP is a money making site. You don't link to places that make your main site look bad, or make the customers who do go there think they must have a brain disorder if this is the way the other people who visit the same website act.

But - AVLP is a money making site. So they'll keep the forums here, because they know there's a collection of absolute die-hard fans who drop a nice sized portion of cash on the site, and that this place helps keep them close to where their product is. They also know that they enjoy it - and that they can sometimes come in here and see somebody share an idea that isn't half bad - or get an idea of whether or not people like a new talent or what have you.

They did what they had to in order to keep the forum going.

The first fucking thing I read when I got here was some absolute dipshit in ALL CAPS losing his shit about how everything was fucking terrible. A real loafer. A real return-address-included if there ever was one.

Of course the folks who run the site don't want people to think that they're shooting the worst porn ever - when they arrive to their very own forum of all things. Or that they tolerate people who do say that kind of shit. But - they seem to be genuinely awesome folks in that, they respect the right of people to say what they feel, and they won't punish you for leaving a harsh word or two here or there. An amazing way to be able to have an idea of how you're doing. All of your biggest fans writing in-depth product reviews on everything you do. And telling you what to make next. So, if you had a feeling that that was the way to go, now you know that your paying customers think the same thing.

There are great things about this forum. Amazing even.

I wouldn't post it from the front page though either.

[bake0213]

They hide the link away because the minute a new visitor would decide to check out the forum to see what this place is about (and what kind of person would hang out here), they'd find some third grader screaming their head off in ALL CAPS about how shitty the site is, how shitty the producers are, and how they are single-handedly ruining porn.

No information - no suggestions - no bringing up an actual issue with evidence or facts - just an absolute brain-dead waste of a specimen that adds up to the most tragic tale of the one that the Trojan couldn't catch.

There's more than one of those people here. So ... what is AVLP going to do? Play referee and goalie to these space-wasters and chase them around after they make new account after new account and ban them each and every time to absolutely no avail? They're coming back! Whilst then having those underwear stains travel to other forums and spread the word about how the management at AVLP ban users off their forum that have issue with the quality of their site?

Who needs that shit?

This place is awesome. Regardless of that very small collection of people. But - AVLP is a money making site. You don't link to places that make your main site look bad, or make the customers who do go there think they must have a brain disorder if this is the way the other people who visit the same website act.

But - AVLP is a money making site. So they'll keep the forums here, because they know there's a collection of absolute die-hard fans who drop a nice sized portion of cash on the site, and that this place helps keep them close to where their product is. They also know that they enjoy it - and that they can sometimes come in here and see somebody share an idea that isn't half bad - or get an idea of whether or not people like a new talent or what have you.

They did what they had to in order to keep the forum going.

The first fucking thing I read when I got here was some absolute dipshit in ALL CAPS losing his shit about how everything was fucking terrible. A real loafer. A real return-address-included if there ever was one.

Of course the folks who run the site don't want people to think that they're shooting the worst porn ever - when they arrive to their very own forum of all things. Or that they tolerate people who do say that kind of shit. But - they seem to be genuinely awesome folks in that, they respect the right of people to say what they feel, and they won't punish you for leaving a harsh word or two here or there. An amazing way to be able to have an idea of how you're doing. All of your biggest fans writing in-depth product reviews on everything you do. And telling you what to make next. So, if you had a feeling that that was the way to go, now you know that your paying customers think the same thing.

There are great things about this forum. Amazing even.

I wouldn't post it from the front page though either.

My God, there is intelligent life on this forum after all. Thank you.

[TomHardick]

The problem is how expensive that gets. You're looking at a min $150 per video for say 5 to 10 mins of anal content. As I said in above post, one guy spent over £5,000 in a 6 month period on a girl I know who used to be on OnlyF.

I wonder about the chances of someone having luck like that girl you mentioned. Certainly, they are not big. It's her credit that she managed to stimulate that guy's fantasies; she must have been very professional. But, back to the reality of AV girls: where did they achieve the height of fame in the industry? It was right here, in AV! Shooting strong hardcore scenes - and pleasing a very specific user base. I am absolutely sure that no AV user would be willing to spend thousands of pounds on pornographic content in such a short time just because the girl can offer personalized content.

Jolee is an excellent example of someone who, despite having a considerable fan base, would most likely not be included in that very restricted list of girls who became "millionaires" producing for OF. I've read a lot of comments here from appreciators of hers who wouldn't be as willing to support her outside of AV. Will she return? I don't know; but, if she had depended on her fans, she should have never left.

I've noticed that some girls are having to share their content on more popular platforms that offer subscription plans (like Xvideos and Phub) because OF alone doesn't generate visibility. Mediators will often be needed.

Agree. Girls going from AV to exclusively OF is a risky move. You mencioned Jolee as an example, her OF barely makes money, and these days she's selling worn clothes from porn sets, and doing camshows. Trying to sell short clips for 15 euros each, seems not working for her. Probably she has other income sources, but definitely, Jolee's AV fans are not following her media adventures.

[hyapet]

I wonder about the chances of someone having luck like that girl you mentioned. Certainly, they are not big. It's her credit that she managed to stimulate that guy's fantasies; she must have been very professional. But, back to the reality of AV girls: where did they achieve the height of fame in the industry? It was right here, in AV! Shooting strong hardcore scenes - and pleasing a very specific user base. I am absolutely sure that no AV user would be willing to spend thousands of pounds on pornographic content in such a short time just because the girl can offer personalized content.

Jolee is an excellent example of someone who, despite having a considerable fan base, would most likely not be included in that very restricted list of girls who became "millionaires" producing for OF. I've read a lot of comments here from appreciators of hers who wouldn't be as willing to support her outside of AV. Will she return? I don't know; but, if she had depended on her fans, she should have never left.

I've noticed that some girls are having to share their content on more popular platforms that offer subscription plans (like Xvideos and Phub) because OF alone doesn't generate visibility. Mediators will often be needed.

Agree. Girls going from AV to exclusively OF is a risky move. You mencioned Jolee as an example, her OF barely makes money, and these days she's selling worn clothes from porn sets, and doing camshows. Trying to sell short clips for 15 euros each, seems not working for her. Probably she has other income sources, but definitely, Jolee's AV fans are not following her media adventures.[/quote]

The same road doesn't go both ways.

All the cream of the 10/10 crop have to do is show up. Like, anywhere. And they will amass a fandom that will follow them.

If an absolutely phenomenal beauty goes from relative obscurity on OF to producing content for AV - she absolutely could and can take a following with her when she leaves.

The problem becomes - when you go so high on the breaking ladder, as AV requires, then sitting in front of a camera might not do it for the girls out there anymore. Their fans, as with Jolee, will have come to expect more. But, it's even more than that ...

The "context" of the performer - as in, the situations that made them hot in the videos, often was a special mix of personality, looks, and the fact that someone that looks like this is doing all this crazy shit. The "someone that looks like this" doesn't have to be an incredible beauty - it can be a really robust woman who looks like she's the perfect mom. It could be an otherwise unremarkable girl who's just insanely skinny, so taking all that gigantic cock really is a show. It can be someone who just has a naturally dopey personality who looks like they're in way over their heads when suddenly surrounded by four large black cocks.

You take these girls out of this context - and suddenly - all of their "flaws" aren't working for them anymore. Now - they're just a rather ordinary looking girl/woman who's sitting in front of a camera like the other million girls out there doing the exact same thing. And without that context that allows their flaws to become their greatest strength - people will just naturally gravitate towards pure beauty on a medium that is overall quite flat and boring in it's presentation, aesthetic, and setting.

Watching an actual camera man take professional shots and angles - and then for the girl to actually interact with the male talent, creating that contrast and energy - is way different than her sitting still ... in front of a still camera ... in a darkly lit room ... with no movement ... and nothing happening ... and, oh, hey, if you pay me another fifty tokens, I'll take my shirt off ...

Pass.

Only the exceptionally beautiful or personable can pull that off. Which is why only the top 0.1% of OF gals strike it insanely rich and everyone else is wondering what else they can do to somehow make ends meet.

There's also the other issue where girls who perform webcam and sex work ... very often aren't media experts that know how to generate views and likes and get their image out there. The hotter they are - the easier it is. But it still requires some insanely cunning strategy, from the very get-go. Girls like Belle Delphine and Amouranth are the absolute exception. Sociopathic to a degree where, five minutes after walking into a football stadium, everyone will know who they are and somehow be tangled up in their drama. People who, giving any platform, will find ways to get millions of eyes on them.

Most girls just know how to turn on a webcam.

So, while AV absolutely could provide the perfect launching point for a phenomenal beauty who is otherwise unknown on OF - she would still have to know how to maintain and manipulate her audience after she left. And while some could certainly do it - it'll still be a sticker shock when the girl who used to be taking gigantic black dick up her ass is now asking you for a tenner so you can see one of her boobies.

Once you go AV - it's very hard to go back. But, even then, it's not at all a bad option, necessarily. Because, on their own ...

Most girls just know how to turn on a webcam.

[M_sicas_Candido]

it'll still be a sticker shock when the girl who used to be taking gigantic black dick up her ass is now asking you for a tenner so you can see one of her boobies.

Most girls just know how to turn on a webcam.

For us, this is quite obvious and even indisputable. This is how expectation works; You never expect the worst from someone who has already shown she have potential.

AV stars who, after showing their full potential here, simply want to regress to a completely amateur and insignificant level...

I compare this to the following example: a restaurant that, in an attempt to attract a large base of clients, offers a buffet with a huge variety and abundance of food: everything you like is there. This actually captivates many customers; sales increase - everything is going well. However, the owner, in a clear demonstration of madness or greed, decides to put an end to the buffet and the abundance. The justification is that from now on the restaurant is gourmet - you will have to pay more for less. The owner is insanely confident that it will work, he believes that the customers who gave him a lot of money in the past are unconditionally loyal to him and everyone will continue to frequent the establishment. It's not necessary to say where the mistake is, is it?

[hyapet]

it'll still be a sticker shock when the girl who used to be taking gigantic black dick up her ass is now asking you for a tenner so you can see one of her boobies.

...

Most girls just know how to turn on a webcam.

AV stars who, after showing their full potential here, simply want to regress to a completely amateur and insignificant level.

I compare this to the following example: a restaurant that, in an attempt to attract a large base of clients, offers a buffet with a huge variety and abundance of food: everything you like is there. This actually captivates many customers; sales increase - everything is going well. However, the owner, in a clear demonstration of madness or greed, decides to put an end to the buffet and the abundance. The justification is that from now on the restaurant is gourmet - you will have to pay more for less. The owner is insanely confident that it will work, he believes that the customers who gave him a lot of money in the past are unconditionally loyal to him and everyone will continue to frequent the establishment. It's not necessary to say where the mistake is, is it?

Actually - you got it mixed up backwards.

Let me try to explain.

Here's the basic math of the situation:

Insanely attractive OF girls = millionaires.
Everyone else = barely making it.

Now - it's easy to let it stay at the money - but there's more at work here. There is also the girl's ego. On OF - she gets to think, "For just taking my top off, I will literally never have to work another day in my life again." More than this - she gets to think, "Thousands, tens of thousands, millions of men pay good money just to see me and jerk off at the privilege! I am the hottest of hot shit that's ever walked under the Sun! In fact - the Sun itself is jealous of me! To such a degree is my intense hotness!"

Other girls see that and are like - mega jealous!!! Amirite - or amirite? They're all like, "FUCK! I want my beauty to be acknowledged on that level! Because I too am just as hot! Right? Right?"

So, ultimately, for having to do so little to get so much becomes a signifier of a girl's hotness. Which totally makes sense! For just having to flash a boobie - she now has thousands of times more wealth than the girl's on AV do for taking two baseball bat black cocks up their shitter at the same time.

So - so far this all makes sense. Then again - we be boys talking in here. And - to be absolutely fair - some girls absolutely get it.

Take Baby Kxtten for example. She is a beauty of an unreal standard. And she actually started out doing ... you guessed it! Webcam work. Thing is - you look at her webcam stuff - and it's poorly lit - gnarly - and you can barely even tell that she's hot.

You get her into the Gonzo studio though - and suddenly with a professional make-up team - movie studio lighting - professional camera work - and doing insane ladder-breaking stuff - she becomes a legit top-notch porn-star. But! But! She never got stupid with it. She knew what league she was in. She knew she couldn't really go swimming back to the webcam or OF pond afterwards.

Because - not only has she already broken through all the rungs on the ladder - but then ... where's the professional make-up artists and wardrobe? Where's the professional sets? Where is the professional lighting and camera work? And - most importantly - where are the outrageous acts of fucking? Are people going to really sign up to see her go, "Ooooh. Oh! Ahhhh," as she's dildoing herself? Or, are they rightly going to be let down when they're used to typically seeing three cyclopses ram her asshole at the same time?

So - she doesn't waste her time. Really - she isn't wasting her youth thinking that she has a horde of people that will bend over backwards just to see her smol tiddy. She isn't dumb. She's smart as fuck. She's maximizing the porn train to the max she can while she's young and at the top of her game. She's the fucking Queen of this mountain. And the studios - particularly AV studios - know how absolutely fucking blessed they are to have someone like her.

She has nowhere else to go as of right now - but the studios don't have anyone near her caliber lining up to perform with them anymore either. So, it's a mutually beneficial set of circumstances that will hopefully see both of them prosper righteously by working with each other.

Other girls don't have the Baby Kxtten brains. They get lulled into the belief that everybody that's buying their scenes are buying it just for them. Not for the fact that there is an entire company/industry pulling out every trick in it's book to make them look beautiful. Not for the fact that this industry is actually that - an industry - because they have a legion of fans that pay them with the cash in their wallets. And not for the fact that they are a legion of fans because this industry has their talent perform what can only be described as truly depraved and deplorable acts to girls such as themselves.

It isn't as black and white as that, necessarily. There are people who will follow a girl once they learn of them through AV. No doubt there are. Several people as well. Lots of people even.

But - once they arrive at the girl's OF page - she isn't taking three men the size of statues up her shitter at the same time. She doesn't have the team of professionals making her look as good as she does. She doesn't have a professional videographer following her around with the most expensive camera ever as they go through an interior designer's set with professional lighting. And she doesn't have a professional movie editor putting together the scene with the music of professional musicians put on top of it either.

She has her own shitty make-up with whatever clothes she picked out herself as she's sitting in front of a cheap shitty still-standing webcam in her own (usually) dirty poorly lit apartment with no edits, no music, and just her hand flogging some small dildo up her pussy or ass ad-nauseum.

So, it isn't that the buffet is now expecting people to eat a Michelin star meal. Just the opposite!

A girl who was given the Michelin star treatment thinks folks are now going to show up at her Billy Bunson's Backwater Ol' Hick Buffet.

And not just this - but pay more for the privilege.

No.

That's not how that works.

And that's what the Jolee's and Kira Thorne's of the world find out the hard way

Whereas the Baby Kxtten's of the AV world know not to bite the hand that feeds them.

And, as it were, AV reciprocates that loyalty.

[M_sicas_Candido]

Insanely attractive OF girls = millionaires.

For just having to flash a boobie - she now has thousands of times more wealth than the girl's on AV do for taking two baseball bat black cocks up their shitter at the same time.

The girls who built their careers in OF, built their fan base there, became famous there. Their followers are used to paying fortunes to receive crumbs.

The scenario is very different for an AV star, who built his career here. The fan base has a totally different profile. Here users don't accept receiving crumbs, they want to spend their tickets to watch variety and high-level performance - like a complete buffet.

The reality is that on any platform, like OF, an AV girl will always be at a disadvantage to another veteran girl as a producer of her own content. Why? Obviously because the fan bases have different profiles: one is romantic and the other is raw (no offense).

You get her into the Gonzo studio though - and suddenly with a professional make-up team - movie studio lighting - professional camera work - and doing insane ladder-breaking stuff - she becomes a legit top-notch porn-star. But! But! She never got stupid with it. She knew what league she was in. She knew she couldn't really go swimming back to the webcam or OF pond afterwards.

Because - not only has she already broken through all the rungs on the ladder - but then [...] where are the outrageous acts of fucking? Are people going to really sign up to see her go, "Ooooh. Oh! Ahhhh," as she's dildoing herself? Or, are they rightly going to be let down when they're used to typically seeing three cyclopses ram her asshole at the same time?

We actually reached a consensus.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I cannot wait for the day when OF and TikTok get banned/censored/heavily regulated.

[hyapet]

The girls who built their careers in OF, built their fan base there, became famous there. Their followers are used to paying fortunes to receive crumbs.

The scenario is very different for an AV star, who built his career here. The fan base has a totally different profile. Here users don't accept receiving crumbs, they want to spend their tickets to watch variety and high-level performance - like a complete buffet.

Well - that's the power of the individual page.

Every girl is in control of her own content. The magic of OF is pretty much that it's like a porn Facebook. On Facebook, you go to one page, and it's a goth girl selling homemade T-shirts. You go to another - it's a car business. Every page can be whatever it wants. There is no unifying thread that connects them all together - just a unifying format which is the page layout. It's OF - but that in and of itself means nothing.

Whereas with AV - there's a network that's tied together not just monetarily, but culturally as well. Every performer joins the rest of the circus. And it's that continuously evolving circus that gets the talent to perform ever greater acts. All the performers are essentially pitted against one another - with or without their realizing it. Because somebody did something - everyone else now has the emphasis on them to follow suit. They don't have to - but now the pay structure is tied behind it as well. It's nefarious, really, but then again, so is every other business that's ever existed out there. People sell top-end products really cheap when there's competition - and jack up the prices when there isn't.

And that's what OF did. It made every girl their own product. So now - people aren't being drawn to the circus anymore - but to each individual performer's personal show. And when you step inside their personal tent - then you follow their rules.

The reason you're in that tent isn't because you went to the circus - but because you were interested in them and them alone. It's absolutely less of a show - you do receive those crumbs - but that's what you want. You can't get this girl anywhere else. It's not the sex act you're paying for anymore - it's the performer. And with that - the performer, naturally, gains a lot more power.

Typically - at any other time - this would have no chance of succeeding. But, we're seeing currently one of the biggest dry spells for sex in the history of the entire species on this planet in Western society. The fundamental spikes of both feminism and law that automatically sides with women have made the fairer sex completely inaccessible to 80% of the male population. Who, due to the education they receive in feminist schools and universities, aren't even seen as people anymore.

They are so dry - so thirsty for even the smallest bit of acknowledgement - they will literally pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to a woman - for them to acknowledge their existence. It's devastatingly pathetic. But it's the nature of the beast many men have fallen into. Just as you said ...

The reality is that on any platform, like OF, an AV girl will always be at a disadvantage to another veteran girl as a producer of her own content. Why? Obviously because the fan bases have different profiles: one is romantic and the other is raw (no offense).

So - that's why I always said that OF isn't porn. Most men aren't watching to see the girl get banged - they're watching to feel some actual connection to somebody. And like Giorgio said in the past - those dudes end up paying top dollar so they can talk to some fat bearded Indian guy half way around the World pretending to be the girl they're watching.

The raw sex acts will always belong to porn. But, there's a ton of males out there for whom going to the circus leaves them feeling empty. The act in and of itself, make no mistake, is entirely self-defeating. But - when you've already been beaten by society itself - most men figure that an L is an L - so why spend the entire day being physically frustrated as a result as well.

OF appeals to those who are, exactly as you said, more "romantic." I mean, as romantic as wanking one off to a fat bearded Indian guy can be.

Which is what makes this upcoming post completely miss the point:

I cannot wait for the day when OF and TikTok get banned/censored/heavily regulated.

OF is never, ever, ever] getting banned. It's the glue that's holding most of Western society together as of this point. The levels of misery within Western nations is at a rate unseen of since some of the greatest dark periods of human history - the very basics are being unaccounted for. Men are completely alone and isolated - continuously and endlessly told that they are unneeded, unwanted, and unnecessary. Only good enough to be the punching bag that everyone else can take their hate out on.

Why else do you think they're paying the fat bearded Indian to pretend to be the pretty girl who doesn't have hands on the keyboard?

And Tik-Tok will get banned. But not because of any porn that's on it. It was (and is) one of the biggest Pedo-factories in the entire World in the U.S. - and the government couldn't give two shits less.

What they do care about however is all the meta data, the transactional histories, and the profiles of their own citizens that the Chinese government is amassing - which they can and will use to do everything from sell them the medicine they need (Chinese manufactured, of course) to which parties they should vote for in the upcoming election.

The U.S. government isn't interested in morality - it's interested in money. Have the pedos encourage thirteen year olds to strip - better than them being out on the street commiting crimes that they don't have the resources to prosecute.

But OF? That shit is golden. I'm surprised they haven't made a Department of OF in Washington yet.

The glue that's holding this patchwork of corrupted ideas and devilish ideals together as of this point. Jerk off to the fat bearded Indian, they chuckle. It takes the focus away from wanting me to do my job.

[2017sucks]

Game over...GIO with worst week in last year or two...Jolee Love out, Kitty Li now retired, Laura Fiorentino brought for 1on1 and 1on1 toying, fisting... Anita Blanche was in Prague, for Stalker only, Barbie Sins too, Mina was there for Omar only actually and same as Kristy out for many years, Silvia and Eveline no need to comment anymore, Megan Venturi retired, Elen Million seems too... Monika Fox comes once or twice per year, for few scenes.

Its Rebel-Anna-Emily Pink-Ria-Nuria. And more or less Latinas. And thats it. Take any of those 5 out and its almost straight line and sound - death. Maybe just Vivian Lola can save the year, if move to Prague and work regular.

CZ dead, Russia, Ukraine dead, EU some minimum signs of life. I mean on girls at GIO of course.

Circus is circus, no any comment needed, its amazing talent, to be so untalented.

Russian studios dead, LTP now at 3on1 mostly, instead of 5, 6, 7 on1, very limited number of girls.

Luis also a huuuuge decrease of quality of girls and scenes.

[hyapet]

Game over...GIO with worst week in last year or two...Jolee Love out, Kitty Li now retired, Laura Fiorentino brought for 1on1 and 1on1 toying, fisting... Anita Blanche was in Prague, for Stalker only, Barbie Sins too, Mina was there for Omar only actually and same as Kristy out for many years, Silvia and Eveline no need to comment anymore, Megan Venturi retired, Elen Million seems too... Monika Fox comes once or twice per year, for few scenes.

Kitty Li retired? That really sucks.

But as for everyone else, like ... everyone can have their preference for their specific performer ... absolutely nothing wrong with that ... but, honestly? It might have been time for some of these girls to retire anyways. Out of all of those girls - Kitty and Jolee were the only ones who had natural beauty - but that's completely unfair for me to say - it is all preference. But ... like ... how long do you want these girls to perform for?

Which brings us to the issue with ...

Its Rebel-Anna-Emily Pink-Ria-Nuria. And more or less Latinas. And thats it. Take any of those 5 out and its almost straight line and sound - death. Maybe just Vivian Lola can save the year, if move to Prague and work regular.

Those 6 girls are amazing. We also have to remember that Eden Ivy hasn't even been DAP broken yet, so there's something to still wait for out there, regardless of the studio that does it. Their beauty and talent are extremely good - but, it's as you said ...

CZ dead, Russia, Ukraine dead, EU some minimum signs of life. I mean on girls at GIO of course.

European girls are pretty ugly in general. Have you ever seen a German porn star? I think there's been something like two in the entire history of AVLP. Of course, their amazing wealth and still strong-ish culture prevents most of them from getting into it - but, nevertheless, that's more a blessing than anything.

All of the UK talent that's decent is Slavic in ethnicity. Outside of Sara Bell, Italy hasn't produced anyone of note ever. Most women there are these thin long dehydrated tubes of bone. Portugal has produced a total of zero hot women ever. The French are ... well, French. It's like becoming non-beautiful is their statement about life. Spain has produced some amazing girls (Emojita recently, for example), but the contacts there don't seem to go that deep. And ... that's about it.

European girls, especially in comparison with American ones, are a few grades lower by every conceivable metric.

The exception being Russian and Eastern European girls. Which, as you mentioned ... are all closed off right now.

... very limited number of girls.

Luis also a huuuuge decrease of quality of girls and scenes.

Three things need to happen.

1) Improve production standards to the benchmark that NRX set. Erika Korti studios is trying. All of the Latin studios are trying. I know GIO could do it if he wanted to.

There needs to be an increase in production quality. And that doesn't translate to more money being spent. It translates to creating a tighter package. Get rid of all the parts of the porn shoot where the girl is standing around or the male talent is struggling to get the girl in the right position. Don't have the camera angle just stay still. Have the camera moving. Make it look like the camera is fucking her too. NRX really set some benchmarks there that no-one else at the site even seemed to notice. It's like, "Why are their scenes outselling everything else by a huge metric? Must be the girls!" It's like ... no ... they pretty much updated porn.

The girl's face is the most important part of any shot. I want to be able to see her expression when three cocks are being jammed into her asshole. If you can't get it into the shot at the same time - then either use two cameras (which is never really preferable - a shot of the girl's face inside another shot is so amateurish - completely takes you out of the feeling of being there) - or, have the camera move between the girl's face and the pounding she's getting.

The camera work on so many scenes is so procedural. It's so flat. It's like we're watching an operation - not a scene of full of passion and lust.

2) Wait for the OF dam to burst. There are so many talents on there that are astoundingly beautiful - do cam work - barely get by with it - and then watch girls that are the top of the pyramid get millions while they struggle to get a couple thousand a month. They are already, technically, porn stars. Their naked pictures are already all over the Internet. The next step shouldn't be that hard for them to take - seeing as this is what they got into to begin with. And with that, brings us to ...

3) Update the recruitment methods. I know it's harder to get girls these days - but then, maybe, update the methods you have for acquisition. Scope out a whole series of girls on OF that you think would make great performers - based on what they already do. Eliminate all the high earners. Have your team infiltrate the girls that are incredibly beautiful but still struggle to amass an audience or get much going for themselves on the platform - and then have them become contacts on OF that they talk to (drop a little cash their way) - and then propose that the amount they would get would increase by a gigantic portion if they came and shot a series of scenes for the AV studios.

Get your biggest production centers filled with the top girls first. Have new Gonzo and GIO scenes be produced with that talent. Have them enter into lucrative contracts that ascend up the breaking ladder and end with a BBC DAP - with the option to renew going forward. Pay them well - like NRX paid them well - so that it would actually be worth their time and effort to do this.

Then - combined with the better production (better sets - shooting - costumes - editing - and music) - start producing scenes that are on the level of what NRX did. Don't have the girl awkwardly stand there for three minutes - don't have the guys try to figure out where to stand - include all of the breaking moments - giving it some lee-way where the girl then is allowed to get set-up for it (to build anticipation) - and don't have the actors and girls chuckling. Get rid of all the shit where they're acting like buddies or that this is "just a job." Don't kill the passion. Keep the fucking intense, but still allow for some contrast and breathers in the scene.

There isn't time to fuck around anymore. Porn shot like it's 2015 has got to stop wasting contracts and resources. There have been a ton of improvements over the past couple of months. I'm not going to lie. The newer Gonzo and Gio and all of the Latin American scenes are showcasing growth. But, this needs to be supercharged. It needs to become stylish. It needs to be intense. I'm sorry - but if you're sticking three cocks into a girl at once - the only thing it shouldn't be for everybody performing (and watching) is funny.

A shrug of the shoulders shouldn't be coming from what OF brought. It should necessitate the hunkering down and creation of a new recruitment method by which there are now TONS of girls getting undressed on the Internet - with so few of them actually making decent money off of it. The slice of pie where astounding beauty doesn't meet big earnings may be small - but small is better than non-existant. Get a team in there and learn how to recruit off of OF.

Like - sitting back and watching it die shouldn't be the chosen option.

The challenge of updated the entire mode of how the studio runs may be a large undertaking - but it's evolve or die.

To be absolutely fair though - OF isn't the car to the AV horse and buggy. AV has and does so much more right. OF is a gigantic pool of fish that have lots of potential AV stars in there. There's no contract they're under. Get a recruitment team together that can learn how to both navigate and zero in on talent that's both beautiful and not getting returns on OF. Again, there are a lot of them.

I mean, all things considered ...

AV's future kind of depends on it.

[Paizal]

Isn't it a bit of a problem that the Vixen Group recruits a lot of girls from Europe? And when I look at the girls they recruit, those are really pretty girls....and not tattooed from top to bottom. I guess some of them would breathe some fresh air into EU Porn.

[hyapet]

Isn't it a bit of a problem that the Vixen Group recruits a lot of girls from Europe? And when I look at the girls they recruit, those are really pretty girls....and not tattooed from top to bottom. I guess some of them would breathe some fresh air into EU Porn.

Yeah - but look at the type of porn they are shooting.

One on one is about as risky as it gets.

Girls that are tatted from top to bottom are usually the type of girls that don't mind taking two baseball bat sized cocks up their ass at the same time.

All porn doesn't fit under a singular umbrella. There is movement within the industry, for sure, but ... certain types of girls are more drawn to certain types of acts than others.

[Paizal]

Yeah - but look at the type of porn they are shooting.

One on one is about as risky as it gets.

Girls that are tatted from top to bottom are usually the type of girls that don't mind taking two baseball bat sized cocks up their ass at the same time.

All porn doesn't fit under a singular umbrella. There is movement within the industry, for sure, but ... certain types of girls are more drawn to certain types of acts than others.

But I can still remember times when these girls also worked for Gonzo/GG....before it came to a breakdown.

[hyapet]

But I can still remember times when these girls also worked for Gonzo/GG....before it came to a breakdown.

Yeah - but that's putting too much responsibility and emphasis on one studio.

You have to remember - AVLP is at the extreme end of porn production. It pretty much doesn't get any nastier than this.

What this means is that any change within the industry itself is going to have a direct impact on the studios. Especially seeing as they are at the extreme ends. Those in the middle are still relatively unscathed, but even then, not really. What do I mean by this?

When OF came out - suddenly - all of the prettiest girls got sucked up into that. Pretty much every single one, almost. What happened here? Well - both extreme ends got hurt.

The girls who did the softest stuff on webcam suddenly got a huge influx of competition - that no doubt rocked their earnings from one day to the next. And the girls who did the hardest stuff - the ones featured on AVLP - suddenly found that a lot of their cohorts were earning a lot more for doing a lot less. So - the demographics shifted.

A lot of the girls who would have considered really degrading porn - were now happy to get paid just as well, if not even better, doing less degrading stuff, and those who were doing regular porn figured, heck, I'm beautiful enough to get an OF following going. And they went there.

This demographic shift pretty much upended the entire industry. Which is what Giorgio constantly references when he comes on here. Everybody's like, "Ugh! The models used to be so much hotter!" As if everyone that works for AVLP decided to purposefully blind themselves.

The models who used to earn a respectable salary can now earn a lot more doing a lot less. And that's with the absolute ceiling being eliminated altogether - where the top tier performers are all on OF - without question. So ... what can they do, really?

Recruit from OF, of course! But - that might prove to be tricky. Girls are still enraptured by the idea that they will be earning millions of dollars for almost, maybe, one-day-soon, showing a boobie. Most girls on there aren't earning anything, hardly anything at all. But maybe one day ... or so the thinking goes.

What needs to happen is AVLP needs to find an incredible astounding beauty on OF that, for whatever means, isn't bringing in the kind of money that she really should be. Bring her here - and turn her into a star. That then gets hands in on the industry as a whole. Provide a pathway - an example - of it being done - and success being achieved by it. Almost make the performer the pet project of the entire AVLP organization - hoping to make their existence an advertisement - and showing other performers that the fame they seek can be found here.

Until then - well - AVLP is sincerely doing the very best they can with their given circumstances. All things considered.

[dap-addict]

OF is never, ever, ever] getting banned. It's the glue that's holding most of Western society together as of this point. The levels of misery within Western nations is at a rate unseen of since some of the greatest dark periods of human history - the very basics are being unaccounted for. Men are completely alone and isolated - continuously and endlessly told that they are unneeded, unwanted, and unnecessary. Only good enough to be the punching bag that everyone else can take their hate out on.

Why else do you think they're paying the fat bearded Indian to pretend to be the pretty girl who doesn't have hands on the keyboard?

Interesting POV! I think I can sympathize with your political and cultural implications here.
But all reasons of OF rise aside there has to be a resistance movement and in current economic circumstances it has to be AV or at least AV anal hardcore level porn getting produced for an investment still paying off for studios to sell that smut. It might involve shifting more productions to Latin America or importing more Latina girls to Prague to counter-balance the high local fees, but imho only hardest manhandle anal porn will preserve some dignity to males out there so to say. It's not anti-feminist, but celebrating true equality - in lust and byond!
And yes, it has to be DAPlust! Hardcore Gangbang DAP cant be allowed to die!

[hyapet]

It's about desensitization.

DAP is great. But, only when the road there is incremental and arduous. Seeing the girl shoot her first porn. Seeing her take her first black cock. Seeing her shoot her first anal. Seeing her first black cock anal. Seeing her first DP. Seeing her first black DP. Seeing her first double vag. Seeing her first black double vag. Seeing her first black double anal.

Thing is - in order for this tantalizing dance to fully work - the girl has to be three things (typically). She has to be young. She has to be drop dead gorgeous. She has to be white.

That's pretty much it.

The South American and colored actresses that Yummy/Latin Teen/Natasha Teen have found are just drop dead gorgeous. They are, seriously, stupid hot. Like - all of them. But seeing them get double analed is no big deal. It's like - yeah - whatever.

That's because white girls are the top of the pyramid - in terms of wealth/society/beauty - it just tends to lean their way in every single instance. Because of this - there's something particularly taboo about seeing a white girl submit herself to two black cocks, who just end up furiously ramming her asshole. It's just on a different level.

Do I think Avery Jane is hot as all fuck? Yes. Is it something special when she takes two boys up her rear? Not really. She will never have the kind of impact that a girl like Nikki Hill does in a BBC DAP scene. Like, ever.

It's just the way it is.

There are exceptions. The Hayek sisters that shoot for Natasha Teen have this otherworldly beauty and cuteness to them that puts them on the white level. But - that's because they look like the next best thing (and also the next step down on the societal hierarchical ladder), which is Asian.

So, it's not about people shooting DAP porn. It's about them doing it well. Which, AVLP has pretty much narrowed down to a science.

Scenes with girls like Nikki Hill, Baby Kxtten, and Eva Barbie are the cream of the crop. Add Kitty Li, Rebel Rhyder, and Eliz Benson in there as well. The how to do it manual comprised in a single person.

It's nice that everyone else does it too. They're not bad. They're not ugly. There is nothing wrong with their scenes.

But - all the extra out-of-the-shot things that make the white girl BBC DAP so extraordinary are just missing. The societal implication. The taboo. The true smuttiness of it - the full package - just isn't there. And, to no fault of their own. It's not a talent issue. It's not a beauty issue. It's something they merely cannot control.

So - no, DAP will not disappear. But - with all the truly gorgeous white girls going to OF and making a life's worth of money in three years by merely taking off their top - robs the industry of some of the most beautiful talent it could have had. That's why Giorgio, when he posts on here, sounds kinda sad. Because he realizes that the kind of beauty that reaches it's hand through the screen and grabs you by the throat ... is going to be exceptionally difficult for him, and everyone else, to find going forward. They're doing their best. They are doing their absolute best.

But, as truly phenomenal as the Latin American girls are, they will probably never be able to reach the 11/10 status of some of the most legendary shoots that the site is known for. The talent isn't the issue. The men are definitely not the issue. It's just the reality of seeing a mocha girl who, for all intents and purposes, has no worth outside of her beauty alone.

That's the sad truth about DAP porn in general. I'm not saying this because I support it - but because I understand it - and as I said before ...

That's just the way it is.

[dap-addict]

DAP is great. But, only when the road there is incremental and arduous. Seeing the girl shoot her first porn. Seeing her take her first black cock. (...) Thing is - in order for this tantalizing dance to fully work - the girl has to be three things (typically). She has to be young. She has to be drop dead gorgeous. She has to be white.

That's pretty racist!
And it just sounds like US step by step approach crap. NRX the perfect example in your POV encompassed it, it sold really fine true, but it's not the LP Prague legacy. Here porn used to start with DAP (remember very successful girls like May Thai or Nicole Black) and then went from this point.

[hyapet]

DAP is great. But, only when the road there is incremental and arduous. Seeing the girl shoot her first porn. Seeing her take her first black cock. (...) Thing is - in order for this tantalizing dance to fully work - the girl has to be three things (typically). She has to be young. She has to be drop dead gorgeous. She has to be white.

That's pretty racist!
And it just sounds like US step by step approach crap. NRX the perfect example in your POV encompassed it, it sold really fine true, but it's not the LP Prague legacy. Here porn used to start with DAP (remember very successful girls like May Thai or Nicole Black) and then went from this point.

No, it's not racist at all.

Pricing reflects that. If a beautiful natural blonde haired blue eyed busty girl walks into a studio and negotiates a contract - it's understood that she will be receiving more money than a beautiful busty black or beautiful busty latina girl doing the same.

If not based directly on the race, then nevertheless reflected in the amount of money they are willing to offer.

This has to do with the amount the scene has to sell. The more money they make - the more money the girl gets. Cute white Aryan girls are a wanted commodity. In fact, most studios who get one treat them like both a trophy and a prize. Everything from the production, money, and attention put into the scene reflects that. To make no mention of how the scene then gets advertised and pushed by the studio themselves.

I remember folks at AVLP hitting twit-ta and porn forums when the first Baby Kxtten scene released. Did they do that for Avery Jane? Or many of the other colored actresses?

There's no hatred here. Just customer preference. Pricing and payment reflect demand.

Be smarter.