did NRX & EK knew they were doing illegal things?

[isis666xxx]

did erica korti & NRX knew they were doing illegal things????

according to this screenshot below posted by guaguancogomez
the article 242 of russia criminal code
says creating porn in russia is illegal

so, they knew that and still shooted porn????

why would you do that???? why not moving to a country in which is legal and do porn there????

they are asking for it

[isis666xxx]

for example, a artist i like very much named JM teikokukizoku

was arrested in china or something, he has dissapeared since 2020 i think, around the same time PH did that horrible purge
ive heard he was arrested & suppressed or something

why would you create forbidden arts in china????
why not moving to another country in which is legal????

these people are asking for it
JM made 4000$ per month in patreon i think, so he had enough money to go to other countries in which his arts are legal

these are some arts of him

[ArcanaCaelestia]

did erica korti & NRX knew they were doing illegal things????

according to this screenshot below posted by guaguancogomez
the article 242 of russia criminal code
says creating porn in russia is illegal

so, they knew that and still shooted porn????

why would you do that???? why not moving to a country in which is legal and do porn there????

they are asking for it

The 242 law in russia is murky as there is a legal and illegal pornography, but the legality, aside from the obvious cases, isn't really well defined. The biggest concern at this point is the profits as making large scale profit from porn is clearly prohibited. How it will solved solely depends on the existing juridical status of the studios. If they are registred as offshore companies in Cyprus or whatever, the consequences might be mild, but if the studios have no legal status and the owners just pocket money then they can get punished severely.

[Pineapples Studio]

“Why not uproot your entire life and leave behind everything and everyone you have ever known to live in another country where they don’t speak your language, all so you can pursue a career in a field which is facing significant pressure from new platforms and technologies?”

Yeah good question, what were the thinking?

[Iddaoeeok]

“Why not uproot your entire life and leave behind everything and everyone you have ever known to live in another country where they don’t speak your language, all so you can pursue a career in a field which is facing significant pressure from new platforms and technologies?”

Yeah good question, what were the thinking?

It's almost like porn producers don't have families and friends.

[Jocke]

People who live in corrupt societies gets used to it and think they can play the system and not get caught. And probably most can, but not everybody.

In the US, 25000 people a year die in traffic accidents but "it won't happen to me".

400k russians have been sent to die in Ukraine, many of them voluntarily. They did not expect to die. That was not part of their profit calculation.

Fatalism

[YuriyProneBone]

People who live in corrupt societies gets used to it and think they can play the system and not get caught. And probably most can, but not everybody.

In the US, 25000 people a year die in traffic accidents but "it won't happen to me".

400k russians have been sent to die in Ukraine, many of them voluntarily. They did not expect to die. That was not part of their profit calculation.

Fatalism

Most of the people that have died are Ukrainian, I saw a video of the army they have left and is only 60 year old men, now they are even planning bringing women too. They lie about the number so they can keep getting aid which goes to an already corrupt government, It's very sad, but it is US fault and NATO's. They had a deal when the war started and they send Boris Johnson to kill the deal. All those lives could have been spared. Russia has gain more territories, and now to end the world Ukraine is going to need to give in even more territory. The problem is that they are putting the bodies for a ridiculous proxy war US has been planning for a long time to prevent Russia to keep selling energy to Europe. They provoked the war first with the coup in 2014 when Soros' NGOs made a change of government, and the only reason this didn't happen before is because Obama left, so they had to wait for Biden, but even his son was involved. They blew the Northstream Pipedrive and now Germany and other countries pay more for energy. Eveything as planned. Shelling the Dombass for 8 years to provoke Putin, but Ukraine has no chance, and it is a shame waht US and NATO has done to the Ukrainians.

[Pineapples Studio]

Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the Western world. I don’t know the extent to which the war is NATO’s fault, though. Donetsk and Luhansk are puppet regimes controlled by the Russians.

The entire situation is a mess. NATO expanded too far eastward too quickly, which made Putin feel boxed in, but you could make a compelling argument that they only did that because Putin was in power in the first place. This will all be debated for decades to come and I’m not sure we have enough information to make an accurate assessment of the situation as ordinary citizens. So much of what our governments do is kept far out of our sight.

[drevokocur66]

Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the Western world. I don’t know the extent to which the war is NATO’s fault, though. Donetsk and Luhansk are puppet regimes controlled by the Russians.

The entire situation is a mess. NATO expanded too far eastward too quickly, which made Putin feel boxed in, but you could make a compelling argument that they only did that because Putin was in power in the first place. This will all be debated for decades to come and I’m not sure we have enough information to make an accurate assessment of the situation as ordinary citizens. So much of what our governments do is kept far out of our sight.

The corrupt part in Ukraine is what is left over form the Soviet Union times. Countries joined NATO to prevent them being a victims of an invasion like the one going on in Ukraine. Putin is a wanna be Joseph Stalin. Putin will not stop terrorizing his neighbors, until he is stopped. Arm Ukraine to the teeth, so it can defend itself.

[drevokocur66]

People who live in corrupt societies gets used to it and think they can play the system and not get caught. And probably most can, but not everybody.

In the US, 25000 people a year die in traffic accidents but "it won't happen to me".

400k russians have been sent to die in Ukraine, many of them voluntarily. They did not expect to die. That was not part of their profit calculation.

Fatalism

Most of the people that have died are Ukrainian, I saw a video of the army they have left and is only 60 year old men, now they are even planning bringing women too. They lie about the number so they can keep getting aid which goes to an already corrupt government, It's very sad, but it is US fault and NATO's. They had a deal when the war started and they send Boris Johnson to kill the deal. All those lives could have been spared. Russia has gain more territories, and now to end the world Ukraine is going to need to give in even more territory. The problem is that they are putting the bodies for a ridiculous proxy war US has been planning for a long time to prevent Russia to keep selling energy to Europe. They provoked the war first with the coup in 2014 when Soros' NGOs made a change of government, and the only reason this didn't happen before is because Obama left, so they had to wait for Biden, but even his son was involved. They blew the Northstream Pipedrive and now Germany and other countries pay more for energy. Eveything as planned. Shelling the Dombass for 8 years to provoke Putin, but Ukraine has no chance, and it is a shame waht US and NATO has done to the Ukrainians.

You're a clueless dipshit, spitting pro Putin propaganda.

[Iddaoeeok]

There's a subset of keyboard warriors who, if they stub their toe or a pigeon shits on them, will blame NATO (or Obama... or Joe Biden).

[Iddaoeeok]

... I forgot George Soros... and Taylor Swift.

[dap-addict]

It's almost like porn producers don't have families and friends.

Nick has moved out of Russia with his wife end of 2022 already as far as I know. He rund his studio from outside. Erika Korti seems to have counted too much on her roof, informal connections of dependency settling a lot in Russia.

Ukraine isnt linked to the current Russian situation - except that Putin for obvious reasons now needs success on other fronts ahead of presidential elections.

Some more on this sad days for Russian porn: viewtopic.php?f=147&t=79983

[YuriyProneBone]

The corrupt part in Ukraine is what is left over form the Soviet Union times. Countries joined NATO to prevent them being a victims of an invasion like the one going on in Ukraine. Putin is a wanna be Joseph Stalin. Putin will not stop terrorizing his neighbors, until he is stopped. Arm Ukraine to the teeth, so it can defend itself.

That's just propaganda, what I said before is what actually happened. But CIA corrupted legacy media won't mention it.

[Pineapples Studio]

No one’s hands are clean.

[pastaga]

Is it a topic about Ukraine war or about russian porn.

It is illegal to make porn in Russia for some years now. Maybe the need of fresh men to send to front, or fresh women to renew population, of the fact they were not paid in rubles led to this... Because otherwise they would have done it way earlier.


About war in Ukraine, it's entirely Putin's fault as he encouraged russians to set themselves in the eastern oblasts. The rest of the population didn't really liked it and elected a pro-west government. In fact Russia as never been an attractive country, except for porn. Most people like democracy. That US conspiracy theory is just Kremlin bullshit propaganda, the only thing they're good at.

[YumYum74]

The corrupt part in Ukraine is what is left over form the Soviet Union times. Countries joined NATO to prevent them being a victims of an invasion like the one going on in Ukraine. Putin is a wanna be Joseph Stalin. Putin will not stop terrorizing his neighbors, until he is stopped. Arm Ukraine to the teeth, so it can defend itself.

That's just propaganda, what I said before is what actually happened. But CIA corrupted legacy media won't mention it.

Talk about propaganda. Literally none of what you said before is true.

[YuriyProneBone]

Talk about propaganda. Literally none of what you said before is true.

Really? So you really think US was planning to remove European oil dependency from Russia before the war started?

Do you really think the Nord stream pipeline wasn't blown with this purpose?

Do you really believe the coup in 2014 wasn't fabricated by U.S. for these goals?

Do you really believe US was not prepping Ukraine for this proxy was years before it happened?

Do you really believe that US hasn't been pushing to keep the war going until the last Ukrainian?

If that's the case, anyone that thinks that has been living under a rock.

[YuriyProneBone]

Typo on the first question, correction: "US was not"

[YumYum74]

Really? So you really think US was planning to remove European oil dependency from Russia before the war started?
<No>

Do you really think the Nord stream pipeline wasn't blown with this purpose?
<I have no idea who did that or why>

Do you really believe the coup in 2014 wasn't fabricated by U.S. for these goals?
<It absolutely wasn't>

Do you really believe US was not prepping Ukraine for this proxy was years before it happened?
<No they weren't>

Do you really believe that US hasn't been pushing to keep the war going until the last Ukrainian?
<No they aren't>

If that's the case, anyone that thinks that has been living under a rock.
<I've been to Russia and (several times) Ukraine and have followed the region for decades, I'm pretty sure I've not been living under a rock>

[Giorgio Grandi]

Most of you know really nothing about russian and ucraine situation.

This topic is about a totally different argument, if you want to talk nonsense about the war in ucraine and the political situation in russia, there is a proper topic already full of crap.

[YuriyProneBone]

<I've been to Russia and (several times) Ukraine and have followed the region for decades, I'm pretty sure I've not been living under a rock>

Just because you have been to Russia and Ukraine doesn't mean that you are aware what governments are doing. I travel to South America and it doesn't mean I know what their governments are really doing. It is just common sense that if you go by the regular news on any country you know you are not getting the full picture, and sometimes is not even close.

I can at least provide some quick references for each thing. If that helps:

Do you really think US was not planning to remove European oil dependency from Russia before the war started?

https://youtu.be/aF0uYIjaTNE?si=yd0-fDEgmV8ZsnR9

Do you really believe the coup in 2014 wasn't fabricated by U.S. for these goals?

(It's a video within a video, the government official explains the plan at minute 5:50)

https://youtu.be/WVXzwnU1H6U?si=IZ5w9z9yyJVyOUf5

Do you really believe US was not prepping Ukraine for this proxy was years before it happened?

https://youtu.be/lMMvSiVkjfg?si=TJtOyRXsBv9AYHdL

That's Amy Klobuchar (D) Lindsay Graham (R) Senators from Minnesota and South Carolina in Ukraine already pushing for this in 2017

Do you really think the Nord stream pipeline wasn't blown with this purpose?

https://youtu.be/xWUuhNd37WI?si=FlVgl2_Ezj_BZ-9A

Do you really believe that US hasn't been pushing to keep the war going until the last Ukrainian?

https://youtu.be/HkbwZCqn7BY?si=lLSl7q8gGHLthvXA

Now these are the statements from government officials, just short clips, that point out to anyone with common sense what the intention is, and explains well what has been happening.

Meanwhile in Ukraine the recruitment keeps happening:

https://youtu.be/Xnw2Abqmu64?si=b_opQqS3MeBPboP7

https://youtu.be/zog7R83hLRg?si=JZMStuSqsqCnK-yW

That said, this isn't the first proxy war we have seen from our government, so if you want to go just by history alone, this is just normal for us. We plan things ahead:

https://youtu.be/7ARtGrSrvCA?si=YEXRptpBac8Tfpnz

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan...etc. Places we intervene or bomb the shit out of.

So it is basically normal by ALL administrations to engage in these things:

https://youtu.be/fEnDvX5EjpE?si=PP-kPkNePltsOqMc

[netzerkaiser]

Yuri & Giorgio both saying same thing. It's not to be sneered at. There are two sides to every story. All I see are 500k corpses, worse than that, 200k invalids who'll never even provide for any dependents again.

No winners or losers.

It's very sad.

Yuri thanks for the diagram. Blackrock etc... the power these people have - I've seen this inadvertently from inside work schedules... I mean I've had to say, literally... "who are Blackrock? why do i have to stop what I'm doing to facilitate them" etc...


yep, as they say, you might be paranoid but it still don't mean they're out to get you, sure thing man.

[YuriyProneBone]

yep, as they say, you might be paranoid but it still don't mean they're out to get you, sure thing man.

Actually I'm not advocating for that either. My take is different, there is no fear, or anger, or feeling like a victim, no grief either, I'm very apathetic to these things. To me these is just how things naturally evolve when we consider how humans normally are, specially highly competitive humans that have been trained from a young age to play these roles.

But it is a good thing to at least be mindful of how governments that are ran by these corporations do things because ultimately everyone gets affected by those decisions one way or another.

If corporations were not in bed with government and government wasn't helping them, things would be a lot different, bad companies would disappear and other new ones more competitive would come, but we don't live in that society, so war, sickness, and mindless sociological differences is what we end up with, just to keep for them the same status quo.

[netzerkaiser]

yep, as they say, you might be paranoid but it still don't mean they're out to get you, sure thing man.

Actually I'm not advocating for that either. My take is different, there is no fear, or anger, or feeling like a victim, no grief either, I'm very apathetic to these things. To me these is just how things naturally evolve when we consider how humans normally are, specially highly competitive humans that have been trained from a young age to play these roles.

But it is a good thing to at least be mindful of how governments that are ran by these corporations do things because ultimately everyone gets affected by those decisions one way or another.

If corporations were not in bed with government and government wasn't helping them, things would be a lot different, bad companies would disappear and other new ones more competitive would come, but we don't live in that society, so war, sickness, and mindless sociological differences is what we end up with, just to keep for them the same status quo.

100% with you - its just greet to see so many people, so many people at work even... don't believe the bullshit they're fed. At school it was 995 believed the bullshit MSM but now its a lot less. its heartening, to be honest.

Lord Jesus Christ. A 22-year-old journalist is gonna dicatate to me how to think? yeah right.

[pastaga]

Yuri & Giorgio both saying same thing. It's not to be sneered at. There are two sides to every story. All I see are 500k corpses, worse than that, 200k invalids who'll never even provide for any dependents again.

No winners or losers.

It's very sad.

Yuri thanks for the diagram. Blackrock etc... the power these people have - I've seen this inadvertently from inside work schedules... I mean I've had to say, literally... "who are Blackrock? why do i have to stop what I'm doing to facilitate them" etc...


yep, as they say, you might be paranoid but it still don't mean they're out to get you, sure thing man.

Where did Gio say the same thing as Yuri ?

Also yeah, you can still find Russian propagandists even in the other camp.
When you see Russian officials lying about everything that would show their weaknesses (like lately, damaged refineries by "drones debris" and not drone strikes, like sure they've shot them down), jailing every contradictor, you'll understand that they can't be thrusted.

And by the way in France we're good with our nuke power, no need to buy American gas.
It may not be the same for Germany because of their anri-nuke greens. And for Poland and Baltic countries, they didn't even need that to hate their neighbour...

[isis666xxx]

i think they could get a citizen of their desired country by marrying a person of their desired country

i dont mean fake marriage
most people marry, so why not marry someone in your desired country??? that way you marry + you get citienship

my mom and my cousin got citizienship like that

erica korti could marry someone in another country where porn is legal

some people may say 'but is so complicated and hard'
more complicated is to stay several years in a gulag hahah

[isis666xxx]

russians are kinda afraid of nudity & porn a lot

look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0wrjTDkpM
how they reacted at that naked party

there are anti-lgtb propaganda laws also or something

so girls that do sexual things with other girls cant record it also? that could count as lgtb propaganda too right???

a lot of people dont consider girls doing bisexual things as part of the lgtb, but they are technically
a girl doing sexual things with another girl and record it, could count as lgtb propaganda too?
so they could be charged with shooting porn + lgtb propaganda???

[Iddaoeeok]

russians are kinda afraid of nudity & porn a lot

Russians aren't, the current regime is.

I'm always amused to find right wingers in the US and Europe who are loath to criticize Putin because they have some sort of hard-on for "alpha male" authoritarian leaders like Putin who trumpet how anti-"woke" they are. In fact the whole point about these authoritarians they are having wet dreams over is that they don't just oppress and persecute the people and groups and ideologies these people are happy to see oppressed and persecuted (gays, women, trans, ethnic minorities etc) they oppress and persecute and ban and criminalize all sorts of other groups and activities.

[Jocke]

Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the Western world. I don’t know the extent to which the war is NATO’s fault, though. Donetsk and Luhansk are puppet regimes controlled by the Russians.

The entire situation is a mess. NATO expanded too far eastward too quickly, which made Putin feel boxed in, but you could make a compelling argument that they only did that because Putin was in power in the first place. This will all be debated for decades to come and I’m not sure we have enough information to make an accurate assessment of the situation as ordinary citizens. So much of what our governments do is kept far out of our sight.

It is obvious that Ukraine is seeking a peaceful democratic future and that the russian dictator is trying to remain a brutal dictator for the rest of his life.
It is obvious that Putin and his cronies do not care that he has murderd half a million people for his personal criminal goals while Ukraine has defended itself.
It is obvious that most of the corruption in Ukraine is a legacy of being a Soviet state under russian control and that corruption is fought successfully and honestly today.
It is obvious that "NATO expansion" is a Putin propaganda point. NATO is a defence organisation consisting of member countries who committ to defend eachother in case of a russian aggression. There is nothing in a NATO membership which oblige any member to attack russia for any reason. Putin's aversion towards NATO is because it prevents russian aggression and restoration of the the brutal dictatorship called The Soviet Union.

[Jocke]

People who live in corrupt societies gets used to it and think they can play the system and not get caught. And probably most can, but not everybody.

In the US, 25000 people a year die in traffic accidents but "it won't happen to me".

400k russians have been sent to die in Ukraine, many of them voluntarily. They did not expect to die. That was not part of their profit calculation.

Fatalism

Most of the people that have died are Ukrainian, I saw a video of the army they have left and is only 60 year old men, now they are even planning bringing women too. They lie about the number so they can keep getting aid which goes to an already corrupt government, It's very sad, but it is US fault and NATO's. They had a deal when the war started and they send Boris Johnson to kill the deal. All those lives could have been spared. Russia has gain more territories, and now to end the world Ukraine is going to need to give in even more territory. The problem is that they are putting the bodies for a ridiculous proxy war US has been planning for a long time to prevent Russia to keep selling energy to Europe. They provoked the war first with the coup in 2014 when Soros' NGOs made a change of government, and the only reason this didn't happen before is because Obama left, so they had to wait for Biden, but even his son was involved. They blew the Northstream Pipedrive and now Germany and other countries pay more for energy. Eveything as planned. Shelling the Dombass for 8 years to provoke Putin, but Ukraine has no chance, and it is a shame waht US and NATO has done to the Ukrainians.

This is how twisted your brain becomes by russian propaganda and it is not just Yuriy, there is a whole nation who have such beliefs. Most are beyond deprogramming.

[netzerkaiser]

Sorry. I was in Russia in early 1990's as a young man. Man, if I think about it, I was brave to go there. So young, so innocent. All the big multi-nationals were cleaning out the place. Gorbachev's goodwill was revoked, people were just left to starve... the 'people' welcomed 'the west', thought they'd get a financial boost to help them recover, but no.... they were left to starve. I saw old pensioners begging on frozen streets because the old social order was gone that at least helped them survive. I saw it.

I deplore the Stalinist | Leninist cult... but I can tell you now, just as post-Tito Yugoslavia, the people were jammed up the ass by the west, left to lose any dignity, hence the rise of strong 'gangster culture'. People had to eat. I was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4M0xcDgCs

it was that crazy.

[YumYum74]

Sorry. I was in Russia in early 1990's as a young man. Man, if I think about it, I was brave to go there. So young, so innocent. All the big multi-nationals were cleaning out the place. Gorbachev's goodwill was revoked, people were just left to starve... the 'people' welcomed 'the west', thought they'd get a financial boost to help them recover, but no.... they were left to starve. I saw old pensioners begging on frozen streets because the old social order was gone that at least helped them survive. I saw it.

I deplore the Stalinist | Leninist cult... but I can tell you now, just as post-Tito Yugoslavia, the people were jammed up the ass by the west, left to lose any dignity, hence the rise of strong 'gangster culture'. People had to eat. I was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4M0xcDgCs

it was that crazy.

Are you really this naive? The shit Russia finds itself in, is the fault of 'the west'?

[netzerkaiser]

Sorry. I was in Russia in early 1990's as a young man. Man, if I think about it, I was brave to go there. So young, so innocent. All the big multi-nationals were cleaning out the place. Gorbachev's goodwill was revoked, people were just left to starve... the 'people' welcomed 'the west', thought they'd get a financial boost to help them recover, but no.... they were left to starve. I saw old pensioners begging on frozen streets because the old social order was gone that at least helped them survive. I saw it.

I deplore the Stalinist | Leninist cult... but I can tell you now, just as post-Tito Yugoslavia, the people were jammed up the ass by the west, left to lose any dignity, hence the rise of strong 'gangster culture'. People had to eat. I was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4M0xcDgCs

it was that crazy.

Are you really this naive? The shit Russia finds itself in, is the fault of 'the west'?

Sorry yumyum, you don't know what you're talking about. i was there for 9 months. 1992 - 1993 I saw winter I saw summer. And I remember the kindness of the people. And I know the hope they had following Glasnost. You challenge me on this then you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously, I've no reason or cause to lie.

[YumYum74]

Sorry yumyum, you don't know what you're talking about. i was there for 9 months. 1992 - 1993 I saw winter I saw summer. And I remember the kindness of the people. And I know the hope they had following Glasnost. You challenge me on this then you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously, I've no reason or cause to lie.

I can say the same thing. I was there several times in those years as well, what makes you more knowledgeable than me? Or I am a liar then?

Rhetorical, don't even answer that, I'm done with this bullshit and everyone who thinks all the shit in the world is the fault of the "evil west". Every time something bad happens it's the same boogeyman. Always playing the victim and never taking responsibility for their own shit. Fuck that.

[netzerkaiser]

Sorry. I was in Russia in early 1990's as a young man. Man, if I think about it, I was brave to go there. So young, so innocent. All the big multi-nationals were cleaning out the place. Gorbachev's goodwill was revoked, people were just left to starve... the 'people' welcomed 'the west', thought they'd get a financial boost to help them recover, but no.... they were left to starve. I saw old pensioners begging on frozen streets because the old social order was gone that at least helped them survive. I saw it.

I deplore the Stalinist | Leninist cult... but I can tell you now, just as post-Tito Yugoslavia, the people were jammed up the ass by the west, left to lose any dignity, hence the rise of strong 'gangster culture'. People had to eat. I was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4M0xcDgCs

it was that crazy.

Are you really this naive? The shit Russia finds itself in, is the fault of 'the west'?

Sorry yumyum, you don't know what you're talking about. i was there for 9 months. 1992 - 1993 I saw winter I saw summer. And I remember the kindness of the people. And I know the hope they had following Glasnost. You challenge me on this then you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously, I've no reason or cause to lie.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Sorry. I was in Russia in early 1990's as a young man. Man, if I think about it, I was brave to go there. So young, so innocent. All the big multi-nationals were cleaning out the place. Gorbachev's goodwill was revoked, people were just left to starve... the 'people' welcomed 'the west', thought they'd get a financial boost to help them recover, but no.... they were left to starve. I saw old pensioners begging on frozen streets because the old social order was gone that at least helped them survive. I saw it.

I deplore the Stalinist | Leninist cult... but I can tell you now, just as post-Tito Yugoslavia, the people were jammed up the ass by the west, left to lose any dignity, hence the rise of strong 'gangster culture'. People had to eat. I was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT4M0xcDgCs

it was that crazy.

Are you really this naive? The shit Russia finds itself in, is the fault of 'the west'?

The west has been at war with Russia since... for ever.
After communism, russians stop to fight, the west did not until Russians got back to fight.

Let me do a sup of notions for you
There is a lot of propaganda on both side. The west pictures Russia in a banal and simplistic way, almost childish if not even stupid and people believe it.
Russia is the biggest country of the world, which brings together varied culture and ethnicity with different values ​​and principles. There is what is called European Russia includes 75% of russian population, but it is variegate in culture as the whole Russia is. Saint Peterburg with Moscow are the more "european" city, but this doesnt mean the population in european. I know very well SPB, I called this place "home" for many years, even now I continue to feel me as part of it. Like all Russia, also SPB (and all big city) are composed of different "reality". The center of the city, the the suburbs, the outskirts, the surrounding. In the west is the same, but the differences are not so huge as in russia.
In the center of SPB and Moscow, you can find gay club, gay bar, swinger club and really whatever you would sexually wish. SPB is a fuckshow of sex party every day of the week, but outside from the center there is not the same vibe. Of course people came to the center to have fun, but its a minimal % comparing to the rest of ppl that are generally more conservative.

I have been in gay clubs many time during my time in SPB, no one gives a shit if you are gay or if you hangout with someone gay... in the center of the city. Outside from the center, the more you go away from the center and the more you are into a different reality. It is just what is it, in the west is the same just you feel it less.

When you pick a girl in the center of SPB, you have great chances to sleep with her the first night, but if you pick a girl at 20km from the center, she wont sleep with you unless she see a commitment. Can you imagine the difference between a girl that hang out in SPB and a girl hanging out in the outskirts of.... Samara?

I just pointed you few simple reason to make you understand when you say "Russia" and "Russians" you do not have idea what you are talking about. The girls you see in porn, are brave souls who venture into unknown spaces and often get burned. The very generations of models that you most appreciated were raised by what I call "victims of communism". Parents who did their best and their worst, very often parents who separated and their children grew up as they could.

What most of Russian girls wish is a family, the family they did not have in their own childhood. So it is not true only old people support Putin. On the top of this, you need to understand the situation before Putin. At the end of the communism, in 90is, russia was like the far west, with criminality at the top and shootings in the street. Putin stopped this, create a system where technically anyone has the opportunity to change his life, and this was a game changer from people coming from communism.

The idea of "the west" bringing the war to russia was a common thought of most Russian citizens when I was there personally. A topic to discuss at dinner, with their parents. Russians have always been scared of Western imperialism.
Nato, to them, is an imperialist system, you need to understand this before to even approach the topic.
We can argue it is or it is not, but it is not relevant, the important is they believe so.
Did Nato try to give a different impression of itself?
Not really tbh, so here we are

Russia did not trust the USA, specially the liberal administrations as they consider "imperialistic" what they DRIVE through the NATO in the middle east.
I don't blame them for this point of view.
Also the liberal approach to inclusion of diversity, in russia is seen as something stuffed down your throat against your will, specially compared with the needs of the rest of the population. You need to fucking understand a double digit % of russian people do not have a loo at home, but they have a shack outside the house with a hole in the ground with the fecal remains of their grandparents: they do not give a shit about gender, climate change and inclusion, they wish to have a fucking loo and a decent school where to send their kids.
And yes, in ucraine the causes of the dispute that has been going on for 10 years are much more complex than how The West wants to represent it
And yes, they will fight until the last russian as they did with Napoleon and Hitler, they will eat the corpses of the death as they did during the siege of Leningrad before to give up

So, overall, mix geopolitic with national politic is the mistake most of you are doing. Most of Russian citizen do not trust the west and so do their politicians. A pro-west political party wont get the numbers to became a party.
And yes, there is hypocrisy in the way the institutions approach whats for us is normal, but this is a simple consequence of the fact the needs of their population is different from our needs

[CocosNucifera]

A very interesting and instructive in-depth post from a man who had the opportunity to discover, observe, learn and experience what he is writing about.

I'm aware Giorgio has certainly little time to spend on this forum, but this is one of the most interesting inputs I've read on the subject on the whole internet, serious media included, so I just want to say that it's a pity Giorgio is not likely to comment more, on this topic as well as on any other.

Thank You, Giorgio, for this message.

I must acknowledge that when I was reading Your comments about Russian models bravery as well as about communism victims, broken families and Russia's poverty, I had an especially warm though for my all time favourite model Nika Star, who performed with You at least twice. She is one of them.

[YuriyProneBone]

Best recommendation is that if someone actually shows you US officials caught saying the very things legacy media denies, and you believe legacy media instead, who lies and covers for them daily, at that point looking at the mirror and accepting you have been propragandized is just the natural step.

Democracy doesn't exist in the West. At least not for regular people. It exist for military contractors, big pharma, big oil, Wall Street, but not for regular people.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Yuriy, most of people believe any kind of nonsense if it is written on their favourite newspaper. This is the greatest achievement of any Propaganda: endorsed from that press who should investigate and dissect anything that comes out of a politician's mouth.
The members of the press in most case are not even aware of what they are doing, they are just indoctrinated from educational system. They do not report or investigare some news because they are not able to process the information without bias.