legacyfirst502 wrote:Respectfully, if you don't want be looked at as some type of bigot or unknowledgeable asshole, don't go around telling black people what "is or isn't" black.
I'm not saying this "against you" - but, honestly, Jocke is kind of right on this one.
First - the idea that if somebody "feels black" then they "are black" has many, many,
many pitfalls. I've seen people that are a slight shade off of white with some curly hair (they've got like one sixteenth black DNA in them), but they call themselves "black." "My great grandfather ..."
Yeah, that's not how that works. Like, if you want to live in some make-believe bubble, fine. But, that's with regards to you. Just like I can't go out there and say, "Hey, guess what, I'm seven feet tall," when I'm obviously not seven feet tall, somebody who you couldn't spot in front of you in a snow storm
isn't black.
If we're being fair, most white people
aren't actually white either. If we're talking about super pale skin, blue eyes, and blonde hair - about 0.00001% of the people on this planet could really qualify as the stereotype of "white." Not only this - but through years of being invaded by everyone from the Mongols to the Moors, the actual "whiteness" of many white people is like out friend who
thinks he's black. The Italians, way back in the day, used to look like Swedish people.
Likewise, in European conquests of other nations, the people there have become increasingly fairer toned over the centuries. Everywhere from India to Pakistan to all the countries within Africa, you see
a lot of brown people. Same with the United States. People who
think they are Black, but who are really an interracial ethnicity of a whole bunch of different races. That's most people on this planet, to be fair. Everywhere from South America to Asia, every country is a blend of all the places that surround them, and all the people who visited to either do business or kick their ass.
Just the way it goes.
What Jocke is talking about is
actual Blackness. The kind of black where, even in good lighting, you can't see the lines on the girl's face. It literally
absorbs all the light. Just like the 0.00001% of
actual white people left on the planet, there's a greater (but still very small) number of actually black people left as well.
The last example you provided - the girl in the Bangbros shot - is at the very bottom of acceptability for "actually black." Like, that's the lowest point of entry into "actually black," and you can still see the brownness creeping in on her skin tone all over. She still has white blood in her from somewhere in her past.
But that girl is who Jocke was referencing. Girl's that, when you see them, there's little to no room for interpretation. It's like, "Fuck! That girl
is black!"
Everyone else is either black because since they lean close enough to that color, everybody just assumes they are, or they lean much closer to whiteness, but for whatever cultural reason, maybe even preference, like to pretend that they're black.
Just like some tanned Italian guy with greasy black hair and dark, dark brown eyes is "white."
He really isn't - but it's the closest thing - so, that's what's accepted.
But, the
really black girls (who are exceptionally beautiful - and stupefyingly rare) are what Jocke is talking about. And he's right in making that distinction.
Don't pretend that the one-sixteenth great-grandfather-was-black guy you couldn't spot in the snowstorm would have a legitimate reason to be upset at that.