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Mike Angelo seems the only real manhandle proof actor in the LP team.
Maybe Nacho, but he is too controversal and too much bullshitting with non-sex gimmicks which is not manhandling.

Ian Scott, Tony Brooklyn and Christian Clay performed in the famous Misha Cross manhandle reference scene (http://www.legalporno.com/watch/27634/m ... orno_sz317), but very often they seem unable to take up the theme and leave it all to Mike. Like they just dont really feel it.
Neo and Kid do get it sometimes a bit, but string for more manhandle scenes again I wouldnt count much on them.

Any suggestions who LP might book to get better get back on manhandle track again?


Disclaimer: Of course the girl is in the centre always but for theme focussed content male talent is essential. Its not about being brutal but feeling the tide and the girls lust and limits.

dap-addict wrote:Mike Angelo seems the only real manhandle proof actor in the LP team.

Yep, totally agree. Mike Angelo is IMHO the number 1 on the list. He's the 'manhandle reference', so to speak. The other actors should learn from him.

I would like to see some (porn)girls make some statements regarding that kind of topic. Come on girls, tell us what's up...

I agree about Mike being the best at this. He makes it look good and personal, without necessarily making it more difficult or painful for the girls.

I would love to see a new series that focuses on manhandle, Mike's style mixed with balls deep kid Jamaica style. 2 or 3 per month.

Pick a girl that has been in the business for a while and while filming don't do many position switches. I really like when the girl is strained for a considerable time while airtight in cowgirl or doggy positions.

You mean Mike Angelos manhandle grip, yeah?
I wish he could teach it to some more performers, but its basically something the studs either feel or dont feel, the same as feeling the girls lust and limits.

Mike, Ian and Kid are the best manhandle combo I see at the moment...but maybe LP should contract some new male talent for it.
As I hardly watch anything else than LP anymore I just dont know who? Anybody still with open eyes and more tolerance to non-LP products than me?

I don't think the problem is that the others don't know how to do it. Is more likely a bts agreement between the studio and the girl, or maybe the actors are just being gentle with the girls. Or maybe it's just not their style.

That's why it would be great if they make a series for it. This way the girl knows what the gig is about and she can even role play to make the scene better.

dap-addict wrote:Mike, Ian and Kid are the best manhandle combo I see at the moment...

That's what I'm talkin' about! Maybe LP brings on some new 'manhandle series'...

Re-activating this very old thread for Russian stud Mr. Anderson aka Rocky for the moment:

One of those rare DAPgasms by Jolee, thanks to Fly and Mr. A., the only GIO actor who really got what's manhandle about. Gif sadly too short to show her trembling gaping orgasmic ass.

(GIO1355 - https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/72795 - forget the TAP, its 90% fake.)

dap-addict wrote:fForget the TAP, its 90% fake.

If you consider tipfucking as fake, 100% of TAP is fake and 90% of DAP is fake...
On topic: LP manhandling is 90% fake. Uninspired guys, who don´t have a clue how to fuck a girl.
Big part of this is the way of directing. Everyone gets bored when he has to do the same scene over and over again...
Scripted to death with no spontaneous interactions and chemistry at all.
So sad, because actually some fun between performers having sex is possible.
Just watch the first 40 minutes of the Gonzo Xmas scene BTS.
More priceless moments in those 40 minutes BTS than in 1000 LP scenes!
But as soon as the camera rolls for the actual scene: Checklist assembly line production.

Wotan29 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:fForget the TAP, its 90% fake.

If you consider tipfucking as fake, 100% of TAP is fake and 90% of DAP is fake...
On topic: LP manhandling is 90% fake. Uninspired guys, who don´t have a clue how to fuck a girl.
Big part of this is the way of directing. Everyone gets bored when he has to do the same scene over and over again...
Scripted to death with no spontaneous interactions and chemistry at all.
So sad, because actually some fun between performers having sex is possible.
Just watch the first 40 minutes of the Gonzo Xmas scene BTS.
More priceless moments in those 40 minutes BTS than in 1000 LP scenes!
But as soon as the camera rolls for the actual scene: Checklist assembly line production.

honestly could not agree more.
the male performers don't even seem like they're having fun sometimes, just devoid of any expression.
LP is like the only gangbang porn company but its scenes are so sterile.

dap-addict wrote:Re-activating this very old thread for Russian stud Mr. Anderson aka Rocky for the moment:

The Vulture in his recent zero-manhandle thread (viewtopic.php?f=96&t=33205) is mentioning 2 notorious manhandlers - Angelo Godshack and Luca Ferrero.
So by default are these good studio booking choices for creating a true manhandling mood on set?

Luca in this scene for instance is manhandling Mina indeed, but he just does it to mask his failure to properly dap her in cg with Bo Sinn. After popping out of her ass again and again they switch to a simple DP and only after a few strokes he resolves to a hard but very short manhandle grip.
Looks good in a take-out like this gif, but doenst transport any manhandle mood to that scene.
He just uses it to cover-up his failure!
(sz2682, 28.18-28.50 - https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/216527)

Adding a positive manhandle move in that same video:
Looks like Mark Dozer (aka Mad Bundy) might be a new candidate to fellow Mike Angelo I missed so far. In rcdap of sz2682 he actually manhandles Mina into a DAPgasm!

Mina clearly signals him that she wants it rough, he grabs her throat and slaps her tits, than accelerates his DAP-ing with anchoring Ian Scott until she gets off. Some very nice footage with a girl ready to take it harder for her own gratification!

(sz2682 - https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/216527)

How does Mina signal that she wants it rough? She looks ecstatic enough before that throat-grab and then just sort of smiles, which could easily be out of politeness.

I do like that scene and the Ferrero bit you also highlight was the only bit I didn't like as it was totally out of sync with the rest of the action. Textbook default manhandle but then he is Luca Ferrero and he will get his manhandle fix regardless of the tone and feel of a scene. That particular scene is IMHO great precisely because those 2 moments are fleeting in a 1 hour-ish scene without any such (IMHO) rubbish. It's basically a gangbang fuckfest with the girls allowed to show off their natural heat. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wants to see manhandle as it isn't a manhandle scene, which is really part of the problem there (ie it just leaking into other scenes). I certainly don't have a problem with specific manhandle scenes but that kind of mix-and-match doesn't really satisfy either type of consumer.

TheVulture wrote:How does Mina signal that she wants it rough? She looks ecstatic enough before that throat-grab and then just sort of smiles, which could easily be out of politeness.

Mark is clearly asking her if it was fine with her. Mina nods and smiles.
Best proof is effect however: Mina is getting off to that hard'n'fast manhandle DAP.

TheVulture wrote:I do like that scene and the Ferrero bit you also highlight was the only bit I didn't like as it was totally out of sync with the rest of the action. Textbook default manhandle but then he is Luca Ferrero and he will get his manhandle fix regardless of the tone and feel of a scene. That particular scene is IMHO great precisely because those 2 moments are fleeting in a 1 hour-ish scene without any such (IMHO) rubbish.

I do agree with the last bolded sentence.
Its a non-manhandle scene and manhandle is used only once to reach a very hot effect, i.e. Mina getting off on set. The Luca Ferrero manhandle grip is the lowest point of that scene, though. Because it adds nothing, and just shows the seasoned viewer that he needs to cover up a failure.

This scene for me is very interesting because it has the best and the worst manhandle footage inside at the same time. Best for me is a spontaneous action out of a certain mood in synch of the girls mood. Worst is bullying to compensate failure.
I'm not even sure this guy needs a manhandle fix, maybe, you know him better for sure, Vulture.

edit:
Sorry forgot this bolded part:

TheVulture wrote:I do like that scene and the Ferrero bit you also highlight was the only bit I didn't like as it was totally out of sync with the rest of the action. Textbook default manhandle but then he is Luca Ferrero and he will get his manhandle fix regardless of the tone and feel of a scene.

So you actually likes Mark Dozers mentioned action, Vulture?
Is it because it made her reach an orgasm?

dap-addict wrote:Mark is clearly asking her if it was fine with her. Mina nods and smiles.
Best proof is effect however: Mina is getting off to that hard'n'fast manhandle DAP.

You are clearly seeing something I am not (although tbh I think that as you often do you are just adding your own narrative to suit). Dozer does the throat grab before Mina's smile so where is this asking bit? And where is the nodding?

Mina getting off is no proof of anything other than that she is enjoying the fuck. Do you not think she was getting off prior to the throat grab and slaps? Isn't your own gif very strong proof of that?

I'm not saying don't support or celebrate manhandle here btw before people get started. Just don't create your own narrative to support it. The fact is that none of us know if Mina wanted or welcomed the manhandle here apart from her. As it was a 1 hour-ish scene and that bit comes very late I find it hard to believe that she was looking for it though. Apart from the fact that there isn't any obvious evidence, why would she leave it that late?

dap-addict wrote:So you actually likes Mark Dozers mentioned action, Vulture?
Is it because it made her reach an orgasm?

No but it didn't bother me as much as Ferrero's.

And I disagree with your assertion that it made Mina reach an orgasm as per my previous comments.

TheVulture wrote:Dozer does the throat grab before Mina's smile so where is this asking bit? And where is the nodding?

Let me post another gif starting with Dozers DAP insertion with increased frame rate:
Dozer starts with his manhandle grip first, but while doing it he still asks her whether its fine with her, Mina first nods and than smiles.
Now can we assume Dozer knows her sexual preferences better than we do?
If we see a fairly good chemistry between the 3 of them, which is shown with her liking that DAP workout already prior to Dozers manhandle move, we may be tempted to believe Dozer knows what will get her off for sure. What we see before is her running up to a DAPgasm. But the element triggering it is Dozer taking her harder yet, starting to manhandle her. Also please note its the only on-set orgasm of Mina in this film.
This said whether she really went off completely only Mina knows. Indeed!

You say Dozer "asks" Mina. So I would have to hear audio of that. I can see that Mina does give a little nod after the throat grab but as I say that could just be politeness, it could be "OK that's fine" or it could be "Please do more of that". I'm most inclined to think it's the middle one, ie a kind of benign indifference. The idea you've been putting forward is that Mina explicitly asked for it and that it has driven her to the heights of orgasm. The first is definitely spurious and the second highly contentious. I think most observers would see that the sex action is what Mina is getting off on and the throat grab and slaps are just some extraneous stuff that Dozer wants to do for whatever reason (but essentially for himself). Sure, Mina seems to be OK with it but that's always the thing with this - is she really going to do or say anything if she isn't? And again the crucial point is that this was a very lengthy scene that had none of that stuff in it until very late.

You also say he takes her "harder" but what you mean is "rougher". There isn't any change to the strength of the fucking when the manhandle comes in (often it slows but here I'm happy it doesn't).

You also have to view these things in context. Ferrero and Dozer always do this stuff. It's no surprise that it's them and not Bo Sinn or Oscar Batty doing it. Does this mean that Sinn and Batty are somehow unreceptive to Mina's needs? I doubt it. My hunch is that they are just staying to the script of not doing manhandle stuff because unlike Ferrero and Dozer they're not weirdly addicted to it and incapable of not doing it.

Alicia gets absolutely zero manhandle in that scene from memory btw and there isn't a second she doesn't have a massive grin on her face.

TheVulture wrote:You say Dozer "asks" Mina.

I meant non-verbal communication.
Its the usual way most things are solved on porn set.

Now I have to confess I am not very familiar with Dozers works in particular. He didnt put me off so far that's all I can say at this point. The Jolee Love light manhandle I posted about in your thread will prompt me into checking him out a bit more closely. He might actually be a stud feeling manhandle mood if directed a bit better.

In general I dont think Omar directed this 5on2 scene as a zero-manhandle. They probably agreed to go pretty soft on Alice Trece because she's still new to DAP. They also never paired her with Bo and Luca, making up for a new MCT so to say. If they dap her than with other, smaller studs.
Now with Mina director is more likely to have given the crew a free hand. Its a mistake to assume general non-fetish scenes like this one were planned out to such detail.

TheVulture wrote:You say Dozer "asks" Mina. So I would have to hear audio of that. I can see that Mina does give a little nod after the throat grab but as I say that could just be politeness, it could be "OK that's fine" or it could be "Please do more of that". I'm most inclined to think it's the middle one, ie a kind of benign indifference. The idea you've been putting forward is that Mina explicitly asked for it and that it has driven her to the heights of orgasm. The first is definitely spurious and the second highly contentious. I think most observers would see that the sex action is what Mina is getting off on and the throat grab and slaps are just some extraneous stuff that Dozer wants to do for whatever reason (but essentially for himself). Sure, Mina seems to be OK with it but that's always the thing with this - is she really going to do or say anything if she isn't? And again the crucial point is that this was a very lengthy scene that had none of that stuff in it until very late.

You also say he takes her "harder" but what you mean is "rougher". There isn't any change to the strength of the fucking when the manhandle comes in (often it slows but here I'm happy it doesn't).

You also have to view these things in context. Ferrero and Dozer always do this stuff. It's no surprise that it's them and not Bo Sinn or Oscar Batty doing it. Does this mean that Sinn and Batty are somehow unreceptive to Mina's needs? I doubt it. My hunch is that they are just staying to the script of not doing manhandle stuff because unlike Ferrero and Dozer they're not weirdly addicted to it and incapable of not doing it.

Alicia gets absolutely zero manhandle in that scene from memory btw and there isn't a second she doesn't have a massive grin on her face.

Lol so you’re fine with them ramming 2 monster cocks in her asshole but if they put their hand on her neck that’s a no-no. You’re a funny guy I must say. Do you not know that they go over this stuff before they shoot the scene and even during the scene? For example the director asks her “are you okay if we slap your face?” And if she says “no” they won’t do it. Try to understand some girls, like some men, like to feel pain during sex. It gives them arousal. Have you not heard of BDSM porn? It can get 10x more painful than what you see on this site.

Anyway, I’m not saying what you think is wrong because everyone has their own fetishes, turn-ons and turn-offs. Just accept that a lot of people come to this site expecting to see this sort of rough porn and frankly you come across as close-minded. If you criticize the performance of the actor or actress or director, that’s fair. But not an act that people pay to see.

dap-addict wrote:I meant non-verbal communication.
Its the usual way most things are solved on porn set.

So that means you don't know it happened. You're making an assumption. What I see is Dozer just deciding to do it regardless and then Mina responding, which is different to how you see it. Neither of us know by definition as it is non-verbal.

dap-addict wrote:Now I have to confess I am not very familiar with Dozers works in particular. He didnt put me off so far that's all I can say at this point. The Jolee Love light manhandle I posted about in your thread will prompt me into checking him out a bit more closely. He might actually be a stud feeling manhandle mood if directed a bit better.

His schtick generally these days is to grab the girl's throat when he isn't fucking her. Totally pointless and presumably just for his own kicks. But like I say, he never used to do this until recently so I think it's either an instruction or - more likely - a pathetic attempt to fit in. He isn't an especially aggressive throat-grabber but he certainly is a serial one.

dap-addict wrote:In general I dont think Omar directed this 5on2 scene as a zero-manhandle. They probably agreed to go pretty soft on Alice Trece because she's still new to DAP. They also never paired her with Bo and Luca, making up for a new MCT so to say. If they dap her than with other, smaller studs.
Now with Mina director is more likely to have given the crew a free hand. Its a mistake to assume general non-fetish scenes like this one were planned out to such detail.

I think it was directed as zero manhandle partly because Alicia's earlier Colombia Gonzo scenes with Godshack and Ferrero were very rough yet here she gets zero manhandle as does Mina until right at the very end. My suspicion is that Ferrero and Dozer conveniently "forgot" a little with Mina at the end or kind of tried to push it. I have no proof of that, it's simply based on what I see in the bulk of the scene and the wider context of how those guys operate.

Jack_Jackal43 wrote:Lol so you’re fine with them ramming 2 monster cocks in her asshole but if they put their hand on her neck that’s a no-no.

Oh great, someone else making the bizarre assumption that if a girl likes hard anal sex they must also like having their throat grabbed. A textbook non-sequitur argument and one frequently used on this forum.

Jack_Jackal43 wrote:Do you not know that they go over this stuff before they shoot the scene and even during the scene? For example the director asks her “are you okay if we slap your face?” And if she says “no” they won’t do it.

No, because I have no direct insight as to what happens behind the scenes and on set at LP. My guess is that neither do you. So what you're outlining there is your idea of how it works, which is entirely plausible but not necessarily accurate. When I get a longer moment I will highlight the Sarah Cute Gonzo scene where Angelo Godshack puts his hands around her throat, she instantly puts her hands on them in order to say "Please move those away" with an expression of naked fear on her face and thereafter all of her earlier heat literally drains from her body. I'l try to do this with a gif or 2 if I can (sadly I'm not very techy). You can then explain to me how it was all planned out in advance and Sarah knew it was coming. Heck, her terrified reaction was all part of the plan, wasn't it? Hot stuff!

DAP-addict versus the Vulture. Battle of the titans - irresistible force meets immovable object.

bake0213 wrote:DAP-addict versus the Vulture. Battle of the titans - irresistible force meets immovable object.

It's a good debate though and whilst we differ in opinion on some things there is a lot of common ground as well. He gives some very good input and is obviously a porn connoisseur.

I'm aware I've sort of crashed a manhandle thread that obviously isn't for me but dap-addict did resurrect it following our discussion in a different thread and I felt I had to challenge what I saw as some strange assumptions in his latest entries. People should continue to discuss the general manhandle thing here if they want though. That can obviously run parallel to this other discussion. My only pony in this race is continuing to ask LP to better separate manhandle from non-manhandle so that we can all get what we want as consumers and the girls can also potentially feel a lot clearer as to the tone and feel any scene. At the minute I do think that is very blurred as this particular line of discussion highlights.