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"PH Is Pulling Out of France" 3rd June 2025 (the article is at gizmodo.com, but i can't link it here because it contains the word PH in the title, so just search that title at that site and you will find it)

the article is self-explanatory so read it to understand the details of the relevant french law it summarises and how it will affect future of porn consumption in europe

i'm not aware of any similar laws being introduced across the EU as a whole (though i don't follow these things so i would be unlikely to be the first to know), so this is contained to France at present (though similar laws are supposed to be coming into place in the UK)

that said, it's a given that if and when the EU can pressure a majority of member countries to get on board with this, they will then use that as a stick to beat into submission those countries with populations that don't want these laws (under the usual threat of the usual sanctions, witholding EU funding and grants for other projects, and all other types of EU back-door authoritarianism)

eg. see how they treat Orban as a leper, purely because he is trying to represent the majority opinion in hungary (which is actually his job as prime minister) that don't want their country to be the next victim thrown on the bonfire of the US/NATO proxy war against russia (but i digress)

pornbox subscribers will already have cards here, so as long as ID stays cards only (and banks are prevented from handing that information over to govenments by strict financial confidentiality laws) that's not a huge issue

but if the part of this french law that mentions using personal government ID to verfiy a person's age also obliges porn companies to cross reference that with those goverments (to verify that info), then you have a direct way for governments to keep records of their citizens' porn consumption.
that's obviously not a good thing, and (imo) would lead many to close their accounts rather than share that data with the government, for fear of it being used against them at a later date

so one to watch. france is not a small european country. if the UK does the same thing then the numbers are doubled. and if scaled up to the EU as a whole, that may be the final nail in the coffin for the european porn industry (not wanting to be the doomer in the room)

here you go:

also note the laughable claim by PH's owners that they are pulling out because they are worried about privacy concerns if this verfification is handled within the EU (banks or govts), laughable because the alternative solution the are proposing is for EU citizens to hand all that data over to US bigtech firms like microsoft and apple who are notorious for their spying on people and making all the info they collect available to US three letter agencies

here's a better idea.... how about if everyone in europe watches PH on tor or via VPN (so you get NO revenue at all) and the owners of PH and their bigtech friends can eat euroshit?

I am not arguing age verification for free porn website is positive or negative, I argue it is irrilevant..
With all the parental monitoring and parental control provided by apple or android, it is not necessary any law about it as there are the tools to keep your kids away from porn.

I can not believe a person like Clara Chappaz doesnt know this...

French leads with this already a couple of years, specially the french press like to distort reality to create a narrative that match their mindset.

latina-girls-yes wrote: (edit) pornbox subscribers will already have cards here, so as long as ID stays cards only (and banks are prevented from handing that information over to govenments by strict financial confidentiality laws) that's not a huge issue

but if the part of this french law that mentions using personal government ID to verfiy a person's age also obliges porn companies to cross reference that with those goverments (to verify that info), then you have a direct way for governments to keep records of their citizens' porn consumption.
that's obviously not a good thing, and (imo) would lead many to close their accounts rather than share that data with the government, for fear of it being used against them at a later date

so one to watch. france is not a small european country. if the UK does the same thing then the numbers are doubled. and if scaled up to the EU as a whole, that may be the final nail in the coffin for the european porn industry (not wanting to be the doomer in the room)

more info on this.



1. credit cards will no longer be recognised as ID. which, since no one under 18 can apply for a credit card, exposes that this law is not about verifying age but has another unstated agenda. if it was only about age, a credit card would already be enough


2. porn sites that do not comply will be blocked at isp level in the country who sets those laws. if france - and soon the UK - adopt these laws as they currently stand then pornbox will either have to comply, or will be cut off from access to the networks of those countries (and the revenues that buyers in those countries generate on the site)

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I am not arguing age verification for free porn website is positive or negative, I argue it is irrilevant..
With all the parental monitoring and parental control provided by apple or android, it is not necessary any law about it as there are the tools to keep your kids away from porn.

agreed. if parents don't care enough about the children they are responsible for to take steps to prevent their children from accessing porn, they should hand their children over to social services because they are clearly unfit to be raising children in the first place.

parents (and governments who claim to be representing them) shouldn't expect adults to live in a world made for children because they are too irresponsible and lazy to look after their children themselves

Giorgio Grandi wrote:French leads with this already a couple of years, specially the french press like to distort reality to create a narrative that match their mindset.

not only french media but the whole of mainstream western media. eg. every day we are told that Russia is losing in Ukraine, and yet every day Russian troops push Ukrainian troops further west.

it actually reminds me of stories from the last years of the Soviet Union (late 1980s), when everyone in those countries knew the whole thing was one big lie and that nothing the media said bore any relation to the reality that every russian could see with their own eyes, but the soviet press kept printing it anyway because no one in power had the courage to say the whole thing no longer worked.

in my view, the EU is currently (ideaologically speaking) where the Soviet Union was in 1988. everyone knows the whole thing is lie and the idea is dead, but on and on the lie goes

I’ve noticed, in the UK, more and more sites are going behind a paywall. There’s a home page but no trailers or hardcore pictures. You have to subscribe to see what’s inside. Feels like the days of easy access to free porn is over. I’m not too unhappy about it going behind a paywall, I just don’t want more censorship of the stuff that I pay for.

PH is garbage

they deleted 10.000.000 videos

i hope they get cursed

It looks like France will start blocking our sites as well.

Oscar Batty wrote:It looks like France will start blocking our sites as well.

thanks for the update Oscar (and best wishes to Morganita btw. i hope mother and baby are happy and thriving).

do you have any idea how much of the market for your scenes is in france?
perhaps you could call pornbox to find out how much of pornboxes business will be affected by a block in france (5%? 10%? more or less?). that would give you an idea of the potential cut in revenue you might be faced with as and when this block is implemented. this is definitely something studios should be watching carefully, and porn fans too

some might say that it's not a problem, because studios can just do the same as the czech studios do with wet content (releasing a wet and dry cut). but my feeling is that if the studios are forced to release vanilla cuts of their scenes in europe, at the same time as releasing the real deal to costumers outside europe, euro custumers may well decide to stop buying those scenes from pornbox and instead seek the international cut from pirate sites that steal and redistribute studio content

such a thing could dramatically impact sales in europe and even force some studios out of business entirely

then there's the added work for the studio in producing euro and international cuts. edit every scene needs to be shot, packaged and released twice, deal with distribution twice, paperwork twice, etc. added work for the studio means added cost added costs that ultimately have to be paid by the consumer, and rising scenes costs are another factor that may lead to some fans to choose stealing over buying content

ultimately, if this blocking becomes widespread in europe, perhaps latin american studios will decide it's not worth their trouble and look to breaking into emerging markets in the south instead. asia is on the up in terms of growth (while europe is falling apart due to rotten leadership) so lots of potential.
asia generally is pretty liberal re xxx content, and even where there are restrictions, fans use vpns and crypto to work around that (so consider crypto payment options). japan is an outlier and has bizarre laws about pixelling out things, but that's the exception. and bondage and bdsm very big in asia, so if you are aiming to sell there consider adding elements of that to your scenes to draw them in

as a by the way, i think it's strange that such a law comes from France, which is a country that doesn't come to my mind when i think about those countries that have hang ups and neuroses about sex.
my general impression is that countries in the west and south are (france, italy, spain) generally liberated and open about sex and enjoy it in all its variations (some catholic hang ups here and there, but generally ok). while the further north and east you go the more neurotic and repressed the societies become (much of the public are not, but the law-making elites are profoundly anti-sex and compel their people to live as if they are too). the UK is a prime example of that, and maybe Poland too

so it's surprising to me that this starts in France. but Macron is desperate to hang onto power (and knows most french people dream 24/7 of giving him a Louis XVI haircut), so maybe a focus group has told him there's a few votes in pandering to the hardline catholics that can keep in in power for another week

Oscar Batty wrote:It looks like France will start blocking our sites as well.

Try to film something other than giant shoes, I understand that a certain group of users likes it, but there are a huge number of people who would like to buy your scenes, but they don't want to see a woman in clothes and shoes all the time. You have great male actors, great style, good positions. Don't be cocky and conceited Oscar, don't look down on other customers. That's never good and decent.

latina-girls-yes wrote:"PH Is Pulling Out of France" 3rd June 2025 (the article is at gizmodo.com, but i can't link it here because it contains the word PH in the title, so just search that title at that site and you will find it)

the article is self-explanatory so read it to understand the details of the relevant french law it summarises and how it will affect future of porn consumption in europe

i'm not aware of any similar laws being introduced across the EU as a whole (though i don't follow these things so i would be unlikely to be the first to know), so this is contained to France at present (though similar laws are supposed to be coming into place in the UK)

that said, it's a given that if and when the EU can pressure a majority of member countries to get on board with this, they will then use that as a stick to beat into submission those countries with populations that don't want these laws (under the usual threat of the usual sanctions, witholding EU funding and grants for other projects, and all other types of EU back-door authoritarianism)

eg. see how they treat Orban as a leper, purely because he is trying to represent the majority opinion in hungary (which is actually his job as prime minister) that don't want their country to be the next victim thrown on the bonfire of the US/NATO proxy war against russia (but i digress)

pornbox subscribers will already have cards here, so as long as ID stays cards only (and banks are prevented from handing that information over to govenments by strict financial confidentiality laws) that's not a huge issue

but if the part of this french law that mentions using personal government ID to verfiy a person's age also obliges porn companies to cross reference that with those goverments (to verify that info), then you have a direct way for governments to keep records of their citizens' porn consumption.
that's obviously not a good thing, and (imo) would lead many to close their accounts rather than share that data with the government, for fear of it being used against them at a later date

so one to watch. france is not a small european country. if the UK does the same thing then the numbers are doubled. and if scaled up to the EU as a whole, that may be the final nail in the coffin for the european porn industry (not wanting to be the doomer in the room)

You are very wrong, dear friend. The EU is not perfect, but still there is a life that 9 out of 10 people on the planet would like to live. Orbán and his loyal group of courtiers and family rule Hungary like a mafia and steal everything that is not nailed down. They mainly steal money from EU subsidies and steal public and state contracts. The same Fico in Slovakia. The talk about how the evil EU is destroying them and threatening their country has only one purpose, and that is to divert attention from their great thefts and thefts. That is why they are very afraid when another government comes to power in Hungary, which will reveal his long-standing robbing of the country and citizens with state money. And about Russia, I would recommend keeping your mouth shut here, the only reason for their attack on Ukraine and the genocide of Ukrainians is that the Russians feel that they should rule the world and Russia is an aggressive state that has been attacking all its neighbors for more than a hundred years. We in the Czech Republic know a lot about this because Russia ruled our country together with the communists for 41 years and militarily occupied and occupied it for 21 years. So we are very sensitive to your Russian fairy tales here.Still, I think there are a lot of great and kind-hearted people in Russia, who are certainly not bad. We digressed because politics does not belong in porn, but the lies about the good Mr. Orbán and the evil EU are making me jump out of my chair. No offense my friend, it's nothing against you. Have a good day.

Just use VPN, easy solution to have PH still available.

liko19 wrote:

latina-girls-yes wrote:"PH Is Pulling Out of France" 3rd June 2025 (the article is at gizmodo.com, but i can't link it here because it contains the word PH in the title, so just search that title at that site and you will find it)

the article is self-explanatory so read it to understand the details of the relevant french law it summarises and how it will affect future of porn consumption in europe

i'm not aware of any similar laws being introduced across the EU as a whole (though i don't follow these things so i would be unlikely to be the first to know), so this is contained to France at present (though similar laws are supposed to be coming into place in the UK)

that said, it's a given that if and when the EU can pressure a majority of member countries to get on board with this, they will then use that as a stick to beat into submission those countries with populations that don't want these laws (under the usual threat of the usual sanctions, witholding EU funding and grants for other projects, and all other types of EU back-door authoritarianism)

eg. see how they treat Orban as a leper, purely because he is trying to represent the majority opinion in hungary (which is actually his job as prime minister) that don't want their country to be the next victim thrown on the bonfire of the US/NATO proxy war against russia (but i digress)

pornbox subscribers will already have cards here, so as long as ID stays cards only (and banks are prevented from handing that information over to govenments by strict financial confidentiality laws) that's not a huge issue

but if the part of this french law that mentions using personal government ID to verfiy a person's age also obliges porn companies to cross reference that with those goverments (to verify that info), then you have a direct way for governments to keep records of their citizens' porn consumption.
that's obviously not a good thing, and (imo) would lead many to close their accounts rather than share that data with the government, for fear of it being used against them at a later date

so one to watch. france is not a small european country. if the UK does the same thing then the numbers are doubled. and if scaled up to the EU as a whole, that may be the final nail in the coffin for the european porn industry (not wanting to be the doomer in the room)

You are very wrong, dear friend. The EU is not perfect, but still there is a life that 9 out of 10 people on the planet would like to live. Orbán and his loyal group of courtiers and family rule Hungary like a mafia and steal everything that is not nailed down. They mainly steal money from EU subsidies and steal public and state contracts. The same Fico in Slovakia. The talk about how the evil EU is destroying them and threatening their country has only one purpose, and that is to divert attention from their great thefts and thefts. That is why they are very afraid when another government comes to power in Hungary, which will reveal his long-standing robbing of the country and citizens with state money. And about Russia, I would recommend keeping your mouth shut here, the only reason for their attack on Ukraine and the genocide of Ukrainians is that the Russians feel that they should rule the world and Russia is an aggressive state that has been attacking all its neighbors for more than a hundred years. We in the Czech Republic know a lot about this because Russia ruled our country together with the communists for 41 years and militarily occupied and occupied it for 21 years. So we are very sensitive to your Russian fairy tales here.Still, I think there are a lot of great and kind-hearted people in Russia, who are certainly not bad. We digressed because politics does not belong in porn, but the lies about the good Mr. Orbán and the evil EU are making me jump out of my chair. No offense my friend, it's nothing against you. Have a good day.

were it not for the russian people (as the soviet red army) ending the third reich, there wouldn't even be a czech republic today. you do understand that, don't you?

the russians (as the soviet red army) killed four times more nazi soldiers than all the other allies combined (britain, united states, canada, etc). for this reason russia is recognised by all serious military historians worldwide as being *the country above all others* that played the greatest role in eradicating the nazi plague from europe (including czechoslovakia) over the course of the second world war

without the sovet red army, britain and the US (the two other major allies with regard to the european theatre) would never have been able to defeat nazi germany

the US would have never gone into europe at all. they only dared to set a boot on european soil once the soviet red army had irrreversibly turned the tide of the war with the epic defeat of the nazis at stalingrad in january 1943 (resulting in nearly a million nazis killed, wounded and lost in action). the battle of stalingrad ended in january 1943, and the US army finally turned up in the summer of 1943 (on the tiny italian island of sicily, not even mainland europe where all the action was)

but without the soviets as an ally (and their war-changing victory at stalingrad), the US would have decided it was an unwinnable conflict. in which case they would have told the british and the europeans to sort it out among themselves, and chosen to focus all their attention on japan instead. japan had attacked the US at pearl harbour (the nazis had never directly attacked US soil), so they would obviously have seen deafeating japan as their immediate priority

and without the soviets and the US on side, britain, canada, and the other smaller allies would have been forced to accept that they could not defeat nazi germany alone, and would have had to enter another pact with the nazis (equally as ignominous as the 1938 munich pact), which would be something along the lines of 'stay away from britain and canada, and you can do with europe as you please'. they would have had no other choice

at which point, the nazis would have been free to dissolve all of the land borders that existed between germany and those neighbouring countries it had conquered and was occupying, and czechoslovakia (as it once was) along with all the rest would simply have been completely integrated into a vast european super-state known only as third reich germany

as to the holocaust, it was the russians (as the soviet red army) that liberated auschwitz, along with the majority of the other nazi concentration camps including theresienstadt ghetto in czechoslovakia (which was controlled by the nazi ss and run by czech gendarmes who served as the ghetto guards).

so czechs crying into their latte about 'evil russia' and making absurd claims such as "Russia is an aggressive state that has been attacking all its neighbors for more than a hundred years" need to stop repeating uninformed ahistorical shit they found on tik-tok and read some decent (objective, not written by russia haters) european history books

without russia there would be no czech republic, there would be no such thing as a czech national (you would be german), and there would be no czech jews at all. period


as for orban, i wouldn't say i was his greatest fan either (i'm on the anti-imperialist left politically), but on the ukraine issue (you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about that, so i will focus there) he is only representing the democratic will of the majority of the hungarian people, which is literally his job as the democratically elected president of that country. the statistics back him up:

'EU support for Ukraine two years into the war' (february 2024): "The majority of Hungarians oppose further financial support for Ukraine, with 69% against more EU contributions"
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your- ... 240223.pdf

but if you disagree with the majority opinion of hungarians on this issue, why not pop over the border and try and covert a few to your way of thinking?
but first you will have to convince them you are capable of thinking at all, which is something i see little evidence of so far, based on your comments in this thread

anyway, the topic of this thread is supposed to be PH pulling out of france and its implications for the european adult content industry.

comment on that if you have something to say on the subject, otherwise this thread is not for you

latina-girls-yes wrote:every day we are told that Russia is losing in Ukraine, and yet every day Russian troops push Ukrainian troops further west.

i thought ukraine was going to win the war and recover crimea in that counteroffenssive stuff in 2023 btw

but that counteroffenssive was shit

i think making russia lose the war + lose crimea is very dangerous and can lead to WW3 but people dont see the real danger XD

latina-girls-yes wrote:were it not for the russian people (as the soviet red army) ending the third reich, there wouldn't even be a czech republic today. you do understand that, don't you?

i think hitler probably would had won WW2 if he didnt tried to conquer the soviet union

also he had a pact of not-aggression with stalin or something like that and he betrayed stalin

that hitler was so stupid

thats what he got for being a betrayer rat

these laws are stupid

why? because the age of sexual consent is lower than 18
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

so a 16 year old girl can legally have orgies and drink tons of cum but she cant see people doing it on video?

sex wont damage her 16 year old mind but sex on video will damage her mind?

stupid

to make sense society should make that only 18+ people can have sex, otherwise is stupid

porn damages the mind of less than 18 year old people, ok, raise the minimun age to have sex then to make sense

only 18+ year old people can have sex and only +18 people can watch sex videos

otherwise is stupid

i personally had a slut hot friend when i was a teen and when she was 14 she already had 15 boyfriends and had tons of sex and had a lot of boys ejaculating into her mouth
she even touched my penis area on my pants sometimes and asked me how big was my penis
i didnt fucked her cuz she was my best friend's girlfriend (also cuz i was kinda a frigid cuz i have a phobia against orgasms, i hate orgasms extremely)
make that illegal, only 18+ people can have sex and only 18+ people can watch sex videos

otherwise is stupid

isis666xxx wrote:these laws are stupid

why? because the age of sexual consent is lower than 18
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

so a 16 year old girl can legally have orgies and drink tons of cum but she cant see people doing it on video?

sex wont damage her 16 year old mind but sex on video will damage her mind?

stupid

to make sense society should make that only 18+ people can have sex, otherwise is stupid

porn damages the mind of less than 18 year old people, ok, raise the minimun age to have sex then to make sense

only 18+ year old people can have sex and only +18 people can watch sex videos

otherwise is stupid

i personally had a slut hot friend when i was a teen and when she was 14 she already had 15 boyfriends and had tons of sex and had a lot of boys ejaculating into her mouth
she even touched my penis area on my pants sometimes and asked me how big was my penis
i didnt fucked her cuz she was my best friend's girlfriend (also cuz i was kinda a frigid cuz i have a phobia against orgasms, i hate orgasms extremely)
make that illegal, only 18+ people can have sex and only 18+ people can watch sex videos

otherwise is stupid

that strikes me as uncharecteristically oppressive of you, isis.

why make young people wait even longer before they can have sex than they already do (as you note, many feel ready earlier), just because they can't perform in adult content until they are 18?

why not consider it the other way around, so the age of consent stays the same but the age at which they can appear in adult content is reduced to match that?

if you are going to raise or lower something (and i'm not arguing that anything should be done either way) then the second options seems by the fairer one to me, since it increases the potential for individuals to make their won decisions and choose their own destiny (eg. if they don't want to shoot adult content at 16 or 17 that's their choice).
whereas the second one takes individual agency and personal choice away from them (generally to be avoided imo) by adding another two years onto how long society can treat them like children and they have no say in the matter

i'm not criticising your opinion, you are absolutely entitled to it. i'm just surprised by it as i generally think of you (from your other posts) as being someone relatively open-minded and against oppressive forces

btw i have no idea what the age of consent is where you are, but i know they have some very erratic consent laws in the US. from my impressions it seems as if in some states you can't fuck until you are 18 (which is way too high imo) and in other states you can marry your 13 year old cousin

for some recent european history perspective, when my parents were teenagers (1980s) the ages of consent in europe were apparently 13 in the netherlands, spain and some of the scandinavian countries, 14 in italy and germany, and 15 in france.
i think it has gone up to 16 in some of them now (france is still 15 i think), but that's only in the past decade or so.
but i don't see any european teenager tolerating being held back from enjoying their romantic life, even if in other parts of the world young people would be ok with cold showers until they are nearly 20

latina-girls-yes wrote:were it not for the russian people (as the soviet red army) ending the third reich, there wouldn't even be a czech republic today. you do understand that, don't you?

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but first you will have to convince them you are capable of thinking at all, which is something i see little evidence of so far, based on your comments in this thread

Hold up, you've written a huge screed about WWII as if any of that negates his original comment about Soviet oppression of Eastern Europe, or bears any relevance to the actions and ideology of Putin's 21st Century Russia. And then accuse HIM of not being capable of thinking? Just insane stuff.

latina-girls-yes wrote:anyway, the topic of this thread is supposed to be PH pulling out of france and its implications for the european adult content industry.

comment on that if you have something to say on the subject, otherwise this thread is not for you

Sorry to have to point out the obvious, but it was you who shoehorned your bizarre "Russia good, EU/NATO/West evil" fantasy into yet another thread, and that's what he picked you up on. You even admitted to digressing, which begs the question, why not *highlight*, *delete*, then post? You know, keep it on subject, like you thoughtfully asked him to do.

jjwhite1985 wrote:

latina-girls-yes wrote:were it not for the russian people (as the soviet red army) ending the third reich, there wouldn't even be a czech republic today. you do understand that, don't you?

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but first you will have to convince them you are capable of thinking at all, which is something i see little evidence of so far, based on your comments in this thread

Hold up, you've written a huge screed about WWII as if any of that negates his original comment about Soviet oppression of Eastern Europe, or bears any relevance to the actions and ideology of Putin's 21st Century Russia. And then accuse HIM of not being capable of thinking? Just insane stuff.

latina-girls-yes wrote:anyway, the topic of this thread is supposed to be PH pulling out of france and its implications for the european adult content industry.

comment on that if you have something to say on the subject, otherwise this thread is not for you

Sorry to have to point out the obvious, but it was you who shoehorned your bizarre "Russia good, EU/NATO/West evil" fantasy into yet another thread, and that's what he picked you up on. You even admitted to digressing, which begs the question, why not *highlight*, *delete*, then post? You know, keep it on subject, like you thoughtfully asked him to do.

Thanks jjwhite1985, but Russian propaganda is running at full throttle 24/7 and this individual is either part of this lying propaganda or just, like two thirds of Russians, completely brainwashed. Notice that not a word about who actually started World War II, that it was Hitler's Germany together with his brother Stalin's Russia by invading Poland and hugging until 1941. Then the greatest friends grabbed each other by the throat and it took a different turn. Supposedly without Russian help. It was exactly the opposite, the West armed Russia to defend Germany and push it back regardless of the losses of soldiers. In my country, only one occupier replaced another occupier. So Russia replaced Germany for 41 long years.