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What do you guys think of organizing a knockout tournament including the best 32 pornstars on PornBox? and if you like it, give us some ideas of the criteria with which we choose the 32 women. Maybe we can choose the best 1~3 best from every European country . Give me your opinion guys

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dodonet1994 wrote:Maybe we can choose the best 1~3 best from every European country

Good idea.
Because such polls always promote the girls, their scenes and the studios.

Now how to choose the 1-3 best girls from every from every European country?
According to what criteria?
In a separate poll?

I just ask, but it's up to you how to choose them, any such poll is good.

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If you'd ask me, I wouldn't include girls who never performed DAP.
Also Czech and Russian girls need a bigger representation than Lithuanian and Maltese girls.

Chimpy.677 wrote:It would be totally useless. People here always vote the same way, the same models would always win. For them, it's as if other models didn't exist.

I believe starting from the quarter final it'll not be easy since there is a huge pool of talents and starting from 2022, a lot of new potential GOATS have been introduced. But if they voted the same way so be it and may the best woman wins

dap-addict wrote:Add:
If you'd ask me, I wouldn't include girls who never performed DAP.
Also Czech and Russian girls need a bigger representation than Lithuanian and Maltese girls.

Of course I'll take your suggestions you're one of the biggest contributors in these forums. I agree with you, they should :
1) have done DAP, (DVP at least) and other categories that we would agree on.
2) be regulars at pornbox (any performer should have made scenes consistently throughout the past 2 years).
3) Bigger countries should have wider representation but I'd say max 4~5 from the same country to include as many countries as possible.
I'd say :
Czech, Russia --> 4~5
France, Spain --> 3~4
UK, Italy --> 2~3
and the rest --> 1~2

@dap-addict I'll be happy if you join in this

dodonet1994 wrote:2) be regulars at pornbox (any performer should have made scenes consistently throughout the past 2 years).

If we can agree on what is consistently that would be a good limit.
Also admitting only European models.
We'd have to think however about EU based US models like Anna de Ville (Prague) or Lydia Black (Paris) and the Madrid and Barcelona based Latinas like Francys Belle etc.
I'd probabely take only Europeans - and later do another tournament.

dap-addict wrote:

dodonet1994 wrote:2) be regulars at pornbox (any performer should have made scenes consistently throughout the past 2 years).

If we can agree on what is consistently that would be a good limit.
Also admitting only European models.
We'd have to think however about EU based US models like Anna de Ville (Prague) or Lydia Black (Paris) and the Madrid and Barcelona based Latinas like Francys Belle etc.
I'd probabely take only Europeans - and later do another tournament.

1) What do you think of when you hear consistency? (imo 4~5 very decent scenes/year released on Pornbox and the more the merrier)
2) I agree on European only, then we can do latinos only and after that a combined one

dodonet1994 wrote:1) What do you think of when you hear consistency? (imo 4~5 very decent scenes/year released on Pornbox and the more the merrier)

You are talking about the historical LP core studios or including Porn World (ex-DDF), Private and BangBros? Also 2024-24 or 2023-24?

Thinking of consistency I'd be tempted to say 4-5 scenes (with a minimum of 2 DAPs per year) by core studios only. But if we lower the level to minimum 1 DVP scene in 2 years we got a much broader spectrum of European girls.

I think best would be to take a few examples of girls not working that much we clearly like and check how consistent they are.

I just took Lady Ana (https://pornbox.com/application/model/105280), way under-estimated I think, but she clearly is very well represented in terms of even high thereshold consistency. So thats not a good example probabely, but if we limit Italy to 2-3 girls, consistency needs to be high thereshold.
Thinking of Italy maybe best would be to do first a selection vote.

dap-addict wrote:

dodonet1994 wrote:1) What do you think of when you hear consistency? (imo 4~5 very decent scenes/year released on Pornbox and the more the merrier)

You are talking about the historical LP core studios or including Porn World (ex-DDF), Private and BangBros? Also 2024-24 or 2023-24?

Thinking of consistency I'd be tempted to say 4-5 scenes (with a minimum of 2 DAPs per year) by core studios only. But if we lower the level to minimum 1 DVP scene in 2 years we got a much broader spectrum of European girls.

I think best would be to take a few examples of girls not working that much we clearly like and check how consistent they are.

I just took Lady Ana (https://pornbox.com/application/model/105280), way under-estimated I think, but she clearly is very well represented in terms of even high thereshold consistency. So thats not a good example probabely, but if we limit Italy to 2-3 girls, consistency needs to be high thereshold.
Thinking of Italy maybe best would be to do first a selection vote.

To be honest I don't like neither porn world nor private but someone like Brittany Bardot didn't for anyone except porn world the past 2 years so these studios have to be included. We have GIO, AGO, EKS, even her limit, all have released very decent quality and quantity scenes. I believe min 2 DAPs/year is fair enough or at least 3 gangbangs.
And regarding Italy I can't think of anyone other than Lady Ana, Moona Snake, Martina Smeraldi and Lena Coxx so I believe 3 is good enough.

dodonet1994 wrote:And regarding Italy I can't think of anyone other than Lady Ana, Moona Snake, Martina Smeraldi and Lena Coxx so I believe 3 is good enough.

Now here is problem we have to solve first already with Moona Snake (https://pornbox.com/application/model/99117): Her last real LP scene was published April 2023 - therefore she would not qualify. I like her a lot, but there is no performance consonancy given in last 2 years. Am I right? Or would we maybe need to change some rules here? - But than if we do, what is with Sara Bell, Francesca di Caprio, Francesca Palma, Sabrina Ice, Jessy Jay, Silvia Soprano and Dalila Dark?

Smeraldi - no DAPs = not qualified

So we'd sure have:
Lady Ana
Lena Coxx
Giada Suicide
Laura Fiorentino

Some other recent Italian girls of last 2 years:
Isabella Angelina (https://pornbox.com/application/model/130246) - too little DAPs per year
Betty (https://pornbox.com/application/model/124026) - all scenes 2023 only
Sbrilli (https://pornbox.com/application/model/123788) - too little DAPs per year
Juis Wild (https://pornbox.com/application/model/119180) - too little DAPs per year
Nemesi (https://pornbox.com/application/model/119050) - too little DAPs per year
Morea Black (https://pornbox.com/application/model/101794) - too little DAPs per year / wrong studios

Add: About Smeraldi - I see since 1y there are DVP scenes with her released, rather amateur productions, not the studios we started to define as core LP at all. But still it's there and there is a growing number of DVP fans out there. Including her could reach out to the softer porn user crowd here. Just a thought.

dap-addict wrote:Add: About Smeraldi - I see since 1y there are DVP scenes with her released, rather amateur productions, not the studios we started to define as core LP at all. But still it's there and there is a growing number of DVP fans out there. Including her could reach out to the softer porn user crowd here. Just a thought.

I only thought about her cuz she's very nasty, great squirter and always has this energy. Some performers have amateur/0nlyfan$ scenes that are very good and can be considered (as Angel youngs Disciples of Desire gangbang scene was a masterpiece).
In addition all the Italian performers you've attached are very good but we have to choose creme de la creme

We shouldn't also forget the Eastern European performers especially the russians. There have been a lack of their scenes but it's due to out of hand circumstances

dodonet1994 wrote:In addition all the Italian performers you've attached are very good but we have to choose creme de la creme

Wouldnt be Lady Ana, Lena Coxx, Giada Suicide and Laura Fiorentino la creme de la creme? We might add Smeraldi maybe for the lighter performance fans and have 5 girls running, or we might skip Lena Coxx and leave Laura Fiorentino if we want to include a reference to MILF lovers - or vice versa, ie, skip Laura Firentino - and have 3 girls running for Italy.

And ofc we mustn't forget about the Russian girls!
I randomly picked Italy - just to show what kind of choices we have to take.

Brilliant, so from where do we start? does each of us make a list and then share and discuss them together?

dodonet1994 wrote:Brilliant, so from where do we start? does each of us make a list and then share and discuss them together?

We can do that each of us with a representative group of girls who consistently performed at least 2023 and 2024 for each European country, yes. If we take 3 Italian girls it will be about 10 Russian girls, if we'd take 5 Italian girls than about 15 Russian girls.
We could discuss our propositions just here in this tread or you can send me your propositions to my mail in signature. Discussion in the forum open is more transparent, but may lead to long discussions. Do as you find more appropriate.

Btw, about Italy, but also Spain or Czech: What we do with Italian based girls of other origins like Mai Thai or Prague based US girl Anna de Ville?

dap-addict wrote:We can do that each of us with a representative group of girls who consistently performed at least 2023 and 2024 for each European country, yes. If we take 3 Italian girls it will be about 10 Russian girls, if we'd take 5 Italian girls than about 15 Russian girls.
We could discuss our propositions just here in this tread or you can send me your propositions to my mail in signature. Discussion in the forum open is more transparent, but may lead to long discussions. Do as you find more appropriate.

Btw, about Italy, but also Spain or Czech: What we do with Italian based girls of other origins like Mai Thai or Prague based US girl Anna de Ville?

Great I'll formulate my list and share it with you and think about proportions in parallel.

I think if a talent is based in Europe and shoots all the time in Europe we can consider her. I just don't wanna consider talents like US talents since they are quite a lot, very famous and will unbalance our list. Maybe we can make another separate list for them

Initial list:
Spain : nuria millan - emejota - marta villalobos
France : vittoria devine - georgia koneva -
Italy : lady ana - giada suicide
England : emily belle
Germany : jolee love
Swiss : Adeline Lafouine
Belgium : alice maze
Greece : kaitlyn katsaros
Czech : brittany bardot - kristy black - nicole love - Ria Sunn
Ukraine : julia north
Belarus : julia maze
Serbia : Cherry Kiss
Russia : stacy bloom - nicole black - zlata shine - Ice Di - Sasha Paige - Hot Pearl - Kira Viburn - Funky Town - Kitty Kate - Lady Buxxx - Bella Gray - Luna Rival
other : Anna De Ville

dodonet1994 wrote:Greece : kaitlyn katsaros
(...)
Russia : stacy bloom - nicole black - zlata shine - Ice Di - Sasha Paige - Hot Pearl - Kira Viburn - Funky Town - Kitty Kate - Lady Buxxx - Bella Gray - Luna Rival
other : Anna De Ville

Nice minimalist list, thanks!
Just for Greece better take Vicky Sol, because Kaitlyn katsaros has a Greek stage name, but its clearly and US-actress.

Russia: Kira Viburn is not constistant, she performed 2022-23 only and retired after 1st GIO booking in 2023. She does have releases in 2024 and even 2025, but these are old scenes and also no DAP scenes. Her 2022 scenes are too early to consider - and also she did no DAP than.
Luna Rival is not Russian but French, but she's not consistent anyway.
Some of the other Russians I'll have to check first, but anyway, they'd have to consistently perform 2023-4 incl at least 2 DAP scenes both years.

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Russia: Eva Tender would be a consistent Russian girl of 2023-4 to add.
Question is whether she's still active in 2025. If not do we skip her?

dap-addict wrote:Nice minimalist list, thanks!
Just for Greece better take Vicky Sol, because Kaitlyn katsaros has a Greek stage name, but its clearly and US-actress.

Russia: Kira Viburn is not constistant, she performed 2022-23 only and retired after 1st GIO booking in 2023. She does have releases in 2024 and even 2025, but these are old scenes and also no DAP scenes. Her 2022 scenes are too early to consider - and also she did no DAP than.
Luna Rival is not Russian but French, but she's not consistent anyway.
Some of the other Russians I'll have to check first, but anyway, they'd have to consistently perform 2023-4 incl at least 2 DAP scenes both years.

1) Kaitlyn katsaros is american yes but maybe she's got some greek heritage and she's constantly shooting in Europe and very nasty as well.
2) Kira is not consistent to be honest and maybe I'll remove her. I added her only cuz she's a personal favorite, she's done very good scenes and I didn't know any stronger profile.
3) Luna is french my bad and yes she's not consistent so I'll remove her.
4) Russians haven't been consistent in the last 2 years because of the circumstances in Russia but I included the most consistent and reliable ones

So I'll remove Luna and kira and add Baby kitten from UK and Areta Ridera from Bulgaria instead and maybe will add vicky sol from Bulgaria as well

dap-addict wrote:add:
Russia: Eva Tender would be a consistent Russian girl of 2023-4 to add.
Question is whether she's still active in 2025. If not do we skip her?

She's not my type tbh so I won't add her to my list

updated list:
Spain : nuria millan - emejota - marta villalobos
France : vittoria devine - georgia koneva
Italy : lady ana - giada suicide
England : emily belle - Baby kitten
Germany : jolee love
Swiss : Adeline Lafouine
Belgium : alice maze
Greece : kaitlyn katsaros
Czech : brittany bardot - kristy black - nicole love - Ria Sunn
Ukraine : julia north
Belarus : julia maze
Bulgaria : Areta Ridera - Vicky Sol
Serbia : Cherry Kiss
Russia : stacy bloom - nicole black - zlata shine - Ice Di - Sasha Paige - Hot Pearl - Funky Town - Kitty Kate - Lady Buxxx
other : Anna De Ville

dodonet1994 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:add:
Russia: Eva Tender would be a consistent Russian girl of 2023-4 to add.
Question is whether she's still active in 2025. If not do we skip her?

She's not my type tbh so I won't add her to my list

updated list:
Spain : nuria millan - emejota - marta villalobos
France : vittoria devine - georgia koneva
Italy : lady ana - giada suicide
England : emily belle - Baby kitten
Germany : jolee love
Swiss : Adeline Lafouine
Belgium : alice maze
Greece : kaitlyn katsaros
Czech : brittany bardot - kristy black - nicole love - Ria Sunn
Ukraine : julia north
Belarus : julia maze
Bulgaria : Areta Ridera - Vicky Sol
Serbia : Cherry Kiss
Russia : stacy bloom - nicole black - zlata shine - Ice Di - Sasha Paige - Hot Pearl - Funky Town - Kitty Kate - Lady Buxxx
other : Anna De Ville

I have to remove Cherry Kiss since she's done dap and add Lena coxx from Italy

dodonet1994 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:add:
Russia: Eva Tender would be a consistent Russian girl of 2023-4 to add.
Question is whether she's still active in 2025. If not do we skip her?

She's not my type tbh so I won't add her to my list

So maybe we agree to add Eva Tender & Kira Viburn?
To be honest I still have to work on that Russian girls list.

Shall I just add my few models to your list or do my own list? I think we pretty much agree in 70-80% of cases.

dap-addict wrote:

dodonet1994 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:add:
Russia: Eva Tender would be a consistent Russian girl of 2023-4 to add.
Question is whether she's still active in 2025. If not do we skip her?

She's not my type tbh so I won't add her to my list

So maybe we agree to add Eva Tender & Kira Viburn?
To be honest I still have to work on that Russian girls list.

Shall I just add my few models to your list or do my own list? I think we pretty much agree in 70-80% of cases.

No problem remove any russian girl (and don't say Georgia koneva is russian , I know you have some comments on her but she's truly a goddess) and add eva tender if you want. (I'd fine with anyone maybe except stacy bloom, she's one of the GOATs)
this is my updated list:
Spain : nuria millan - emejota - marta villalobos
France : vittoria devine - georgia koneva
Italy : lady ana - giada suicide - lena coxx
England : emily belle - Baby kitten
Germany : jolee love
Swiss : Adeline Lafouine
Belgium : alice maze
Greece : kaitlyn katsaros
Czech : brittany bardot - kristy black - nicole love - Ria Sunn
Ukraine : julia north
Belarus : julia maze
Bulgaria : Areta Ridera - Vicky Sol
Russia : stacy bloom - nicole black - zlata shine - Ice Di - Sasha Paige - Hot Pearl - Funky Town - Kitty Kate - Lady Buxxx
other : Anna De Ville

If you wanna do your own list and share it with me it's ok or sent me your suggestions to modify mine.

dodonet1994 wrote:...and add eva tender if you want. (I'd fine with anyone maybe except stacy bloom, she's one of the GOATs)

With Stacy Bloom we both agree 100%
She's GOAT, absolutely!
The best of the best!

dap-addict wrote:

dodonet1994 wrote:...and add eva tender if you want. (I'd fine with anyone maybe except stacy bloom, she's one of the GOATs)

With Stacy Bloom we both agree 100%
She's GOAT, absolutely!
The best of the best!

I really wanna know your opinion on Georgia koneva and what she needs to improve according to you?

Georgia can run for France or Luxembourg, nopro.
I can answer you later either here or in her model tread.
But compare her DAP-ability with Stacy Bloom and you'll see a huge difference.

dap-addict wrote:Georgia can run for France or Luxembourg, nopro.
I can answer you later either here or in her model tread.
But compare her DAP-ability with Stacy Bloom and you'll see a huge difference.

Ok I'll wait for your answer.
Stacy is a GOAT, she can only be compared to very few talents. Georgia is at the beginning of her career so there are levels between the 2.
Anyways as soon as you confirm the attached list or create your own one we can start in the tournament and may the best slut win

Yep,I'll work on my Russian list today.
Sure Kristina Grace must be on it as well for instance.

dodonet1994 wrote:Stacy is a GOAT, she can only be compared to very few talents. Georgia is at the beginning of her career so there are levels between the 2.

We could compare 1-2 DAP scenes by both around their 8-10th DAP scenes and we'd easily see a huge difference!

Please shoot with eva tender.

dap-addict wrote:Sure Kristina Grace must be on it as well for instance.

She looks like a proper dap slut and although I'm also assessing the body type of each performer and I am not into this very thin kinda skeleton type of body tbh, if she's famous enough she should be in.

dap-addict wrote:We could compare 1-2 DAP scenes by both around their 8-10th DAP scenes and we'd easily see a huge difference!

Like I said stacy is one of the goats and very few can be compared to her, most of the women on the list/on pornbox can't be compared to stacy in terms of performance and nastiness. All I'm saying is that Georgia hasn't even completed a year and she's already done DAPs, TAPs and very hardcore scenes in a short period of time in addition to her irresistible beauty, maybe the most beautiful and the most perfect body on the list for me

dodonet1994 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:Sure Kristina Grace must be on it as well for instance.

She looks like a proper dap slut and although I'm also assessing the body type of each performer and I am not into this very thin kinda skeleton type of body tbh, if she's famous enough she should be in.

We both have different tastes in porn girls but this combined tournament list makes it the more interesting because of that.

However, Kristina Grace isnt my body type either really, but she performed what we both set for a minimum requirement, i.e. consistency in performing incl. at least 2 DAPs in 2023 and 2024.


I wonder if we should add maybe 2-5 special personal picks not fitting in these requirements, but girls leaving a big impact on us in last 2 years starting with 2023. We could put them into a special tournament round. You could put Kira Viburn there, who sadly left porn after not getting re-booked by GIO in 2023. She's resentful and wont come back, but I accept she was special for you. Minimum would be 1 DAP performed in the 1 year that special girl was active, though.
It would be sadly stopped porn careers or only just starting careers. And we would highlight a few girls of 2023-5 otherwise forgotten. Ideally we would present a subjective introduction in that poll of why we picked that girl for an out-of-competition-run.
What you think?

dodonet1994 wrote:Russia : stacy bloom - nicole black - zlata shine - Ice Di - Sasha Paige - Hot Pearl - Funky Town - Kitty Kate - Lady Buxxx

Sasha Page - isnt consistant, she didnt perform a single DAP in 2024.
Hot Pearl - not consistant either, her 2024 DAPs are just re-releases of 2023 work
Kitty Kate - did too little DAP
Lady Buxxx - not consistent last 2y because she started her career in 2024 only

add:
For Russian girls we should maybe lower requirements because of difficult visa situation and clampdowns on studios in Russia. Lets see first how many I have to add fitting the set minimal requirements, lets see what big a field we get with them.

Sasha Page and Hot Pearl I could than maybe fit into that special tournament. And you would take Kitty Kate and Lady Buxx. Just an idea for a way out here.

dap-addict wrote:add:
For Russian girls we should maybe lower requirements because of difficult visa situation and clampdowns on studios in Russia. Lets see first how many I have to add fitting the set minimal requirements, lets see what big a field we get with them.

Sasha Page and Hot Pearl I could than maybe fit into that special tournament. And you would take Kitty Kate and Lady Buxx. Just an idea for a way out here.

Most of the russians weren't consistent because of the visa issues. I definitely would have added Eva Abel if only she'd done more than 1 DAP scene. Anyways I am not concerned with the russian talents except for Stacy so do your list and let's settle on the final contenders

Additional Russian girls fitting set minimum requirements: 17
Monika Fox
Kitty Li
Greta Foss

Altera Pars
Bella Grey
Eva Tender
Kitty Doll
Princess Lili
Jane White

Akina Asmus - started in 2023 but no DAPbreakin', consistant incl. enough DAPs in 2024
Pretty Mary - 1 DAP in 2023 only, consistant incl. 2 DAP in 2024
Virgin Butterfly - started in 2023 but no DAPbreakin', consistent incl. enough DAPs in 2024
Daruma Ray - started in 2023 but no DAPbreakin', consistant incl. enough DAPs in 2024/5

Dina Joy - started in 2024, consistant incl. enough DAPs in 2024/5
Violet - started in 2024, consistant incl. enough DAPs in 2024/5
Holy Wood - started in 2024, consistant incl. enough DAPs in 2024/5


We might discuss also:
Ellen Million - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes. She's a legend still active in 2023.
Monika Wild - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes. She's a legend still active in 2023.

Jessie Ames - no DAPs in 2024, only in 2023, but consistency shooting since
Cyber Shot - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes.
Karolina Geiman - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes.
Julia Red - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes. 1 DAP in 2023.
Eva Barbie - a few DAPs in 2023, comeback in 2025 but no DAP yet.
Lia Lin (Siberian Asian) - a few DAPs in 2022 only, but still active consistently.
Jadalica - a few DAPs in 2022 only, but still active consistently.
Crystal White - DAPbreakin' in 2023, still active consistently.

Maybe we could add the bolded ones, make 3 Russian groups per 10 girls to vote for and see who makes it into TOP10.

dap-addict wrote:We might discuss also:
Ellen Million - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes. She's a legend still active in 2023.
Monika Wild - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes. She's a legend still active in 2023.

Jessie Ames - no DAPs in 2024, only in 2023, but consistency shooting since
Cyber Shot - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes.
Karolina Geiman - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes.
Julia Red - no DAPs in 2024, but a few anal scenes. 1 DAP in 2023.
Eva Barbie - a few DAPs in 2023, comeback in 2025 but no DAP yet.
Lia Lin (Siberian Asian) - a few DAPs in 2022 only, but still active consistently.
Jadalica - a few DAPs in 2022 only, but still active consistently.
Crystal White - DAPbreakin' in 2023, still active consistently.

Or we set 4-5 final round ones - incl Stacy Bloom ofc - and let forum members vote over the rest. I propose this because from my many poll experience I know that users too often vote only according to their beauty ideals but not porn performance.