LP what has happened ? Please help -- XXX ? !!!!

[dutchel]

I was very sad to see the end of pissing on LP but I did convince myself to stick with LP since I always felt pissing was not crucial although it was an important part of the porn experience for me. Today I was reviewing my LP behaviour and noticed that I have basically stopped buying scenes recently or even going back over old scenes to try to find something of interest. This is not something i planned , I guess it has happened because the content is missing an edge for me, it is really starting to feel like evilangel or brazzers. These are Ok sites and I have bought plenty from them but i wanted LP for something different and now that feeling is starting to go. Anyone with the same ?
Today i even bought a scene of no interest just to have something to buy, if this is the future I will have to just move on.

I thought it was worth one effort to reach out to the LP guys before making this step.
The first request would be to bring back some pissing, not every scene but a regular supply at least. From previous posts I get the feeling this is not an easy decision for LP. Please try to fixing the problem with pissing, if it is a real problem for now then can we have some girls rimming the boys ? or some really rough gagging/ deep throat ? how about girls occasionally fisting a guy ? all with the usual anal sex of course we come to expect from LP. I realise I need and expect some rough edges from LP , is there any hope ? Perhaps XXX will read and can help !

[arbutus93]

I agree with dutchel. While there are occasional scenes that I will continue to buy, I would estimate that I buy about 10-15% as much as I did since the pissing scenes have dried up.

While I never really saw anything that explained the discontinuation of piss scenes from the LegalPorno perspective, I sincerely hope it was not just a response to the whiners. I could hardly read some of the forum material because of the pathetic posts from those people who do nothing but complain. Seems to me that if we all simply expressed what we liked, and tolerated (maybe even respected) what other people like (even if we don't care for it), that would make for more selection and a healthier site because it would be supported by more customers.

Anyway, I will continue to hope that piss scenes resume at some point, partly because they are a particular preference for me, and partly because Legal Porno did such a great job of them. If not, I hope some other sites can pick up the slack and produce some of the great edgy piss scenes done here in the past. Either way, thank you LegalPorno for all the amazing piss scenes that you did make....they were really great and much appreciated by many of us.

[ElJab78]

Lol this thread is hillarious. Poor little piss fans can't get to see dudes taking a piss on girls.

Tiny Violin

Tiny Violin

[shark1]

You can ignore Eljab78's posts - society as a whole has rejected him, and his only way to get attention is on internet forums.

But yes, I have probably purchased 10% of the scenes I used to over the past couple months. Between the pissing ban and the ludicrous framerate issues of many recent videos(25 fps vs 29 fps), I only buy a scene if it's exceptional(Sofi Goldfinger or Liona Levi) or if it is one of the piss scenes that has already been shot and released after the ban.

[Tastes Like Ass]

I was very sad to see the end of pissing on LP but I did convince myself to stick with LP since I always felt pissing was not crucial although it was an important part of the porn experience for me. Today I was reviewing my LP behaviour and noticed that I have basically stopped buying scenes recently or even going back over old scenes to try to find something of interest. This is not something i planned , I guess it has happened because the content is missing an edge for me, it is really starting to feel like evilangel or brazzers. These are Ok sites and I have bought plenty from them but i wanted LP for something different and now that feeling is starting to go. Anyone with the same ?
Today i even bought a scene of no interest just to have something to buy, if this is the future I will have to just move on.

I thought it was worth one effort to reach out to the LP guys before making this step.
The first request would be to bring back some pissing, not every scene but a regular supply at least. From previous posts I get the feeling this is not an easy decision for LP. Please try to fixing the problem with pissing, if it is a real problem for now then can we have some girls rimming the boys ? or some really rough gagging/ deep throat ? how about girls occasionally fisting a guy ? all with the usual anal sex of course we come to expect from LP. I realise I need and expect some rough edges from LP , is there any hope ? Perhaps XXX will read and can help !

+1 to all that

...except for this part:

how about girls occasionally fisting a guy ?

I have no interest at all in seeing that!

Other than that, though, I totally agree with everything else you said!

[Pineapples Studio]

I wonder how actual sales numbers have changed since the pissing ban. I'd be willing to bet xxx doesn't miss you that much.

[Tastes Like Ass]

I wonder how actual sales numbers have changed since the pissing ban. I'd be willing to bet xxx doesn't miss you that much.

Well, rather than speculate, why not take a look at the updated* list of best sellers?

http://legalporno.com/best-videos

Hmm, looks like over half of them are piss scenes. In fact, I don't have time to go through all 100, but 14 of the top 20 are piss scenes. Quite shocking, eh?

*Note, for example, that the Abby scene that had been #1 basically forever is now no longer in the top 50.

[TDak]

I wonder how actual sales numbers have changed since the pissing ban. I'd be willing to bet xxx doesn't miss you that much.

Well, rather than speculate, why not take a look at the updated* list of best sellers?

http://legalporno.com/best-videos

Hmm, looks like over half of them are piss scenes. In fact, I don't have time to go through all 100, but 14 of the top 20 are piss scenes. Quite shocking, eh?

You're assuming that those scenes are best sellers because of the piss element. That's not necessarily true.

Personally I have no interest in the piss scenes and was glad to see them dropped. However, I purchased almost all of those 14 videos. In every instance it was because I am a fan of the girl or something else about the scene justified it as purchase. In each one I would have skipped the pissing part.

[stemcell]

what is all this fuss about piss -- yes or no -- pro and con???

I liked the piss, but have to say I do not need it in every scene. Using this porn kinky porn element from time to time with the right babe is hot.
And here a solution for the pippi haters:

Tainster eromaxx using the method since years.

They have two versions of a scene
fullyclothedsex.com
fullyclothedpissing.com

Same scene, one with and the other w/o pissing.

Should be possible for LP also ,, NO?

[gapefan]

I bought the top 20 scenes for reasons other than piss.

Reasons like: the girl(s), DAP, gapes, gapefarting, etc.

[Pineapples Studio]

I wonder how actual sales numbers have changed since the pissing ban. I'd be willing to bet xxx doesn't miss you that much.

Well, rather than speculate, why not take a look at the updated* list of best sellers?

http://legalporno.com/best-videos

Hmm, looks like over half of them are piss scenes. In fact, I don't have time to go through all 100, but 14 of the top 20 are piss scenes. Quite shocking, eh?

*Note, for example, that the Abby scene that had been #1 basically forever is now no longer in the top 50.

Those are all-time best sellers.

We would need to see detailed time-lapse sales charts to really understand customer purchasing habits, which we (obviously) do not have at our disposal.

[shark1]

I wonder how actual sales numbers have changed since the pissing ban. I'd be willing to bet xxx doesn't miss you that much.

I would be interested in finding out how sales are now compared to before. Even now may not be much a difference just yet as already shot piss scenes are still being released. Once they are completely done, I would be interested in finding out sales now vs then. Of course, we will likely never know for sure, only xxx knows and I am sure he will not divulge that information.

[Tastes Like Ass]

Honestly, even if the Top 100 best sellers were all piss scenes, with no exceptions, some of the piss haters would still claim it was just a coincidence, and the piss had nothing to do with it.

[gapefan]

^I don't doubt that fans who like piss, buy piss scenes for the piss.

I also don't doubt that fans who like DAP, buy DAP scenes for the DAP.

And if a scene should happen to contain both? Well.. you get the picture.

Or at least I should hope you do.


Here's an interesting statistic:

• Total number of piss scenes, not containing DAP, in the top 100 best videos = 21
  
• Total number of DAP scenes, not containing piss, in the top 100 best videos = 32

Here's an even more interesting statistic. Assigning a value of 100 points to scene #1, a value of 99 points to scene #2, ..., and a value of 1 point to scene #100, we get the following total point values for each of the aforementioned groups, based upon actual scene rankings:

• Total point value for piss scenes, not containing DAP = 783
  
• Total point value for DAP scenes, not containing piss = 1509

Is that a coincidence?

Does the DAP have nothing to do with it?

[kidloco]

Well, didn't dap scenes start earlier than piss ones? LP is mainly known and visited for anal stuff, more pissing focus was a fashion wave.

[cyberhog59]

DAP with big cocks is what attracted me to LP and is what keeps me here. As long as the DAP, DPP and DPs keep coming (with occasional TAP), then you can add whatever else you want on top of that: kreme, piss, gagging, etc and I will keep buying.

[Tastes Like Ass]

^I don't doubt that fans who like piss, buy piss scenes for the piss.

I also don't doubt that fans who like DAP, buy DAP scenes for the DAP.

And if a scene should happen to contain both? Well.. you get the picture.

Or at least I should hope you do.


Here's an interesting statistic:

• Total number of piss scenes, not containing DAP, in the top 100 best videos = 21
  
• Total number of DAP scenes, not containing piss, in the top 100 best videos = 32

Here's an even more interesting statistic. Assigning a value of 100 points to scene #1, a value of 99 points to scene #2, ..., and a value of 1 point to scene #100, we get the following total point values for each of the aforementioned groups, based upon actual scene rankings:

• Total point value for piss scenes, not containing DAP = 783
  
• Total point value for DAP scenes, not containing piss = 1509

Is that a coincidence?

Does the DAP have nothing to do with it?

Oh, I absolutely agree that DAP is a very popular fetish, and it would be silly to claim that if they suddenly stopped producing DAP scenes, it would not reduce profits. Just like it's silly to pretend that stopping piss scenes won't reduce profits.

[gapefan]

When and where did I ever claim that stopping piss scenes would not reduce profits?

I simply said that piss is not as profitable as some people, such as yourself, would like to believe. And that there are other, more statistically significant variables, as I demonstrated above

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The core target market of Sineplex/Gonzo/GG has been, and always will be, hardcore anal fans.


I don't necessarily disagree with your argument that LegalPorno is going more mainstream (no pun intended ). If by mainstream, you mean 'without piss'.

Broader appeal, along with the removal of attestation, should help recoup any short term reduction in profits due to the fallout of hardcore piss fans, and lead to greater profitability in the long run.


At any rate, I'm sure LP will be just fine, as long as it keeps consistently producing the quality of content it has lately


In the end, any debates about piss are null and void at this point. The decision has already been made, regardless of the reasoning behind it. And although you may not feel the same way, I still feel like this place is Access to Paradise

[Tastes Like Ass]

I simply said that piss is not as profitable as some people, such as yourself, would like to believe. And that there are other, more statistically significant variables, as I demonstrated above

And yet, the numbers say otherwise. Look, out of all the scenes released by LP in the last 2.5 years (since the move to Prague), no more than 10-20% have been piss scenes. Yet over half of the 100 best sellers are piss scenes. To call this a coincidence is preposterous. If you don't believe me, ask a statistics professor about the likelihood of that kind of correlation being due to pure chance.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The core target market of Sineplex/Gonzo/GG has been, and always will be, hardcore anal fans.

Well, obviously. No one is disagreeing. The thing is that there are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of sites producing anal scenes. The question is how you distinguish yourself. In the past, Sineplex/Evilutionplex/LP did it with nasty oral action (like ATM, ATOGM, ass-licking, piss, and cream). Now, that stuff has mostly disappeared, and been replaced by a combination of abusive gimmicks (like dunking the girl's head in water or suffocating her with a garbage bag), along with circus act penetrations (like TAP). In short, they are abandoning the formula that made them so successful for so many years.

I don't necessarily disagree with your argument that LegalPorno is going more mainstream (no pun intended ). If by mainstream, you mean 'without piss'.

By mainstream, I mean "a carbon copy of sites like 21Sextury or Brazzers, with a bit of Kink mixed in" -- although, in the long run, I'm not sure what their plan is. One thing I am sure of is that even if they go completely vanilla, and stop shooting any anal scenes, you'll still be right here cheering them on, and telling them that every scene they release is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's just what you do.

At any rate, I'm sure LP will be just fine, as long as it keeps consistently producing the quality of content it has lately

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Most of the recent scenes (especially the Gonzo scenes) have been far more softcore, and not just because they lack piss. They have also had less anal, far less ATM, and so on. I fully expect these trends to continue, at least until XXX realizes that no one is going to come here to get the same stuff they can find at sites like 21Sextury and Brazzers, for much lower prices.

In the end, any debates about piss are null and void at this point. The decision has already been made, regardless of the reasoning behind it.

Not true. It's not too late for XXX to realize the error of his ways, and get the site moving back in the right direction, by producing the same kind of material that, according to him, has accompanied the "tremendous growth" over the past year (which, not coincidentally, is the same time frame that they were releasing so many piss scenes, and so much more hardcore scenes in general).

[gapefan]

And yet, the numbers say otherwise. Look, out of all the scenes released by LP in the last 2.5 years (since the move to Prague), no more than 10-20% have been piss scenes. Yet over half of the 100 best sellers are piss scenes. To call this a coincidence is preposterous. If you don't believe me, ask a statistics professor about the likelihood of that kind of correlation being due to pure chance.

There you go again, trying to put words in my mouth. Where did I say that the piss scenes in the top 100 were a coincidence? Kindly quote or link to the post where I said that!

It's like talking to a brick wall!

Here, let me spell it out for you again, since you seem to be having such a difficult time grasping the concept.

DAP is more statistically significant, and profitable, than piss is!

Many of those 'piss' scenes you keep referencing in the top 100, also contain (guess what?) *gasp* DAP!

Piss is not the only reason, nor is it the most significant reason, those scenes which contain both, are there!

You say that since the move to Prague about 20% of scenes produced have been piss? Hmmm... that's odd... guess how many piss scenes (not containing DAP) there are in the top 100?

Holy shit Batman!!! What do you know!? 21/100

By mainstream, I mean "a carbon copy of sites like 21Sextury or Brazzers, with a bit of Kink mixed in" -- although, in the long run, I'm not sure what their plan is. One thing I am sure of is that even if they go completely vanilla, and stop shooting any anal scenes, you'll still be right here cheering them on, and telling them that every scene they release is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's just what you do.

I will cheer the new piss-free LegalPorno on! I think it's great!

And regardless of what you say, if they got rid of the all anal, DP, DAP, gapes, gapefarts, etc. then no, I would not be here cheering them on

(Those are the reasons I am here!)

But clearly, that is not the case! --->NEW VIDEOS

Nor will it be! (have you visited the picture preview of recent scenes part 2 thread lately?)

Besides, why would I need to complain about anything, when I know there are people around like you, that will do it for me!

If for some reason, I happen to disagree with their complaint, I will gladly put in my two cents. Just as I am doing now!

No matter what, I'm sure you'll still be right here bitching and moaning, telling them that every scene they release is getting softer and softer. That's just what you do

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Most of the recent scenes (especially the Gonzo scenes) have been far more softcore, and not just because they lack piss. They have also had less anal, far less ATM, and so on. I fully expect these trends to continue, at least until XXX realizes that no one is going to come here to get the same stuff they can find at sites like 21Sextury and Brazzers, for much lower prices.

Case in point

Not true. It's not too late for XXX to realize the error of his ways, and get the site moving back in the right direction, by producing the same kind of material that, according to him, has accompanied the "tremendous growth" over the past year (which, not coincidentally, is the same time frame that they were releasing so many piss scenes, and so much more hardcore scenes in general).

Guess what other kind of material accompanied the "tremendous growth" they experienced over the past year?

Not coincidentally, it is the same time frame that they were releasing so many DAP scenes

(that are btw just as hardcore now as they ever were! If not more so!)

But judging from how hard it is to get that through your thick skull, I doubt you'll suddenly see it now!

xxx hasn't made an error! He is a calculated businessman. Shame on you for believing otherwise!

[Tastes Like Ass]

Here, let me spell it out for you again, since you seem to be having such a difficult time grasping the concept.

DAP is more statistically significant, and profitable, than piss is!

Many of those 'piss' scenes you keep referencing in the top 100, also contain (guess what?) *gasp* DAP!

So what? What does DAP have to do with any of this? I have never said they should stop producing DAP scenes. The obvious fact is that DAP sells well -- but so does piss! So, the logical thing would be to shoot some scenes with DAP but no piss, some scenes with piss but no DAP, and some scenes with both piss and DAP. And guess what? That's exactly what they were doing during the time when, according to XXX, the site experienced such growth, and it's what they should do again.

And regardless of what you say, if they got rid of the all anal, DP, DAP, gapes, gapefarts, etc. then no, I would not be here cheering them on

Sure you would. Just like when they were producing so many piss scenes, you always said, "Well, I don't like the piss, but all these scenes are still so [amazing/brilliant/fantastic/incredible/magnificent/phenomenal/remarkable/spectacular/unbelievable/wonderful] that I'm still going to buy them anyway." Face it, you're a total suck-up. That's why you love ADT, the world's foremost gathering place for ass-kissing suck-ups.

No matter what, I'm sure you'll still be right here bitching and moaning, telling them that every scene they release is getting softer and softer. That's just what you do

No, unlike you, I speak my opinions honestly, without regard for what others will think. Sure, I make a lot of negative comments, but I also make plenty of positive comments, when the material deserves it. If you don't believe me, go back and look at my posts from earlier this year (around February and March), when I was telling Giorgio that he was putting out some of the best scenes in the nearly 20 years I've been watching porn. Or just go look at the "Access to Paradise" thread that you linked to earlier, where I said that LP was putting out by far the porn in the industry. I said those things not to suck up, but because they were true, which is the same reason I have criticized the scenes from the last couple of months.

xxx hasn't made an error! He is a calculated businessman. Shame on you for believing otherwise!

This is a perfect example of what a suck-up you are. Are you seriously claiming that XXX is perfect, and incapable of ever making a mistake? Honestly, I'm surprised that even you would kiss his ass that blatantly!

[gapefan]

So what? What does DAP have to do with any of this? I have never said they should stop producing DAP scenes. The obvious fact is that DAP sells well -- but so does piss! So, the logical thing would be to shoot some scenes with DAP but no piss, some scenes with piss but no DAP, and some scenes with both piss and DAP. And guess what? That's exactly what they were doing during the time when, according to XXX, the site experienced such growth, and it's what they should do again.

How many times to I need to repeat myself?

DAP has to do with the fact that many of those scenes you keep referencing on the top 100 best sellers, contain it!

Sure, shooting both would be the logical thing to do. Unless there were other reasons not to...

I understand the point of xxx somehow. Pissing Keeps LP in a kind of "getto" of extreme porn, but on the other side dap and fisting was in the same position till 2 years ago... It's complicate to take decisions, xxx knows what he is doing so somehow I'm sure everyone will get benefits from a "clean up" of the home page (i mean studios)... time will tell us smt, will be fast to understand if sales increase or decrease

I agree with Giorgio. And xxx

Sure you would. Just like when they were producing so many piss scenes, you always said, "Well, I don't like the piss, but all these scenes are still so [amazing/brilliant/fantastic/incredible/magnificent/phenomenal/remarkable/spectacular/unbelievable/wonderful] that I'm still going to buy them anyway." Face it, you're a total suck-up. That's why you love ADT, the world's foremost gathering place for ass-kissing suck-ups.

No. I wouldn't. I said those things because the anal, DP, DAP, gapes, gapefarts etc. are just that good!

So good, that I was willing to look past the piss, and appreciate what I did like

No, unlike you, I speak my opinions honestly, without regard for what others will think. Sure, I make a lot of negative comments, but I also make plenty of positive comments, when the material deserves it. If you don't believe me, go back and look at my posts from earlier this year (around February and March), when I was telling Giorgio that he was putting out some of the best scenes in the nearly 20 years I've been watching porn. Or just go look at the "Access to Paradise" thread that you linked to earlier, where I said that LP was putting out by far the porn in the industry. I said those things not to suck up, but because they were true, which is the same reason I have criticized the scenes from the last couple of months.

I stand by every statement I have ever made on this forum! Just because I am a more positive, optimistic person (who takes a constructive approach to things), does not mean I don't openly and honestly express my opinions

This is a perfect example of what a suck-up you are. Are you seriously claiming that XXX is perfect, and incapable of ever making a mistake? Honestly, I'm surprised that even you would kiss his ass that blatantly!

I am not claiming xxx is perfect. xxx is a numbers guy. You can tell from reading his posts. He's always analyzing the reasons behind the numbers. What I am saying is, in regards to his decision to cease making piss scenes, I believe he made the right one. And I believe that he did his homework, before he made such a drastic and controversial decision

[pastaga]

Kink has been shooting some pee stuff for PublicDisgrace recently in Spain : http://www.kinkondemand.com/kod/shoots. ... ICDISGRACE
They are, I think, most popular than LP. And aren't banned yet.
BTW, no need to transform the studio in a swimming pool for that. A bit of it and I'll be happy

[Tastes Like Ass]

Sure, shooting both would be the logical thing to do. Unless there were other reasons not to...

So, you admit it.

And no real reason has been given. (XXX's cryptic references to vague "problems" and "the world [not being] ready for it" don't count.)

I agree with Giorgio. And xxx

If this is the reason (as I have said all along) then you can expect to see a lot of other changes to the content, including less anal, less DP, less gapes, less DAP, and so on.

In fact, I have already started to see it, and you would too, if you would open your eyes and take off your rose-colored glasses.

I am not claiming xxx is perfect. xxx is a numbers guy. You can tell from reading his posts, that he's always analyzing the reasons behind the numbers. What I am saying is, in regards to his decision to cease making piss scenes, I believe he made the right one. And I believe that he did his homework, before he made such a drastic and controversial decision

Yeah, he's really doing a great job running the site right now, isn't he?

Giorgio has vanished, SOS and XXX are apparently having another of their feuds (and this one looks pretty serious) and, whether you want to admit it or not, the Gonzo scenes have become noticeably tamer the last couple of months.

Well, at least he can count on the support of "yes men" like you, right?

[gapefan]

Admit what? For the umpteenth time, I never said piss is not profitable. I only said it is not as profitable as DAP

Read Giorgio's post again. You missed a few spots

These things happen in business partnerships all the time. And I for one, am staying out of it.


Giorgio did not say that producing piss scenes poses a legal issue pastaga.

[Tastes Like Ass]

These things happen in business partnerships all the time. And I for one, am staying out of it.

Of course you are. If you took sides, either SOS or XXX might not like it, and you wouldn't be the teacher's pet anymore.

[gapefan]

No. I just don't know what the facts surrounding the issue are.

I have no idea who is in the right, and who is in the wrong here.

Who knows what their business contract is, or was? I'm not privy to that information.

That, and I like all three studios. I wish them each all the success in the world

Preferably under one banner, at LegalPorno

[Tastes Like Ass]

No. I just don't know what the facts surrounding the issue are.

I have no idea who is in the right, and who is in the wrong here.

Who knows what their business contract is, or was? I'm not privy to that information.

That, and I like all three studios. I wish them each all the success in the world

Preferably under one banner, at LegalPorno

Well, at least we agree on that.

[dplovin]

Here's one for the majority of us who were about to or already left this site. THANK GOD, THERE'S NO MORE PISS SCENES! If you want piss, go to a piss only site. I was about to quit here until i noticed they came to their senses. Probably all the frowny faces from the girls obviously trying to hold their barf in.

[ElJab78]

Here's one for the majority of us who were about to or already left this site. THANK GOD, THERE'S NO MORE PISS SCENES! If you want piss, go to a piss only site. I was about to quit here until i noticed they came to their senses. Probably all the frowny faces from the girls obviously trying to hold their barf in.

Agreed. The piss fans were whining about this for a while. They wanted every scene to be released with piss. When LP started releasing 70-80% of scenes with piss they wanted more extreme piss, pissing on the floor and making the girl lick it up, making sure she swallows the piss, all sorts of more humiliating things. When one or 2 kreme scenes got released a month they complained there was too much kreme and not enough piss even though every other scene being released was piss. All the piss releases were alienating the non-piss fans also and they were more extreme and harder to avoid. As dplovin says, there are plenty of piss sites out there. LP was never a piss site, only the PMAO series was piss focused, and it had a lot more female pissing than the current piss stuff which is all dudes pissing. The PMAO stuff was maybe 5% of what LP released. Yet the piss fans were trying to make it out to be that Piss was the main driver of this site even though everyone else knows that is def not the case. Even with XXX releasing what has been shot for piss already, and we are still seeing a few piss releases a month the piss are still whining about this. Piss is no longer being shot. The decisions been made. Its done. If you are unhappy feel free to go to the numerous piss sites out there.

[shark1]

Here's one for the majority of us who were about to or already left this site. THANK GOD, THERE'S NO MORE PISS SCENES! If you want piss, go to a piss only site. I was about to quit here until i noticed they came to their senses. Probably all the frowny faces from the girls obviously trying to hold their barf in.

Majority of us??? I think you mean minority genius that would have tucked their tail between their legs and left. There are fetishes on this site I don't like but I don't cry about them. Always funny when parasites come out of nowhere and pretend they are in the majority and bitch about a fetish they don't like on a site that is(was) known to cater to many fetishes. How about if you want DAP, go to a DAP only site. If you want kreme, go to a kreme only site. See how easy that is to say? Some of the girls clearly enjoyed the piss while others did not. Sounds like an opportunity was missed though, if pissing scenes kept getting released, we could have enjoyed them and you would have left :-)