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EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:02 pmby peshmerga
This is the first case and I suspect it won't be the last, their rates are not only impressively cheap for what they demand but they also afford not to pay the models. This studio should be boycotted, I was hoping for it a lot but it is evident that they don't have the financial strength, plus the models are not so attractive except in rare cases. Being in Romania and not tapping into the huge pool of Romanian girls makes you realize how disorganized they are.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:00 amby dap-addict
Fees are good.
I'd have to know what she did for those 5200euro she claims to be due.
Disturbing is what she writes about actors.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 1:03 pmby homoneandertalensis1990
As far as I understand, the fees that the studio offered for filming are quite good and similar to the fees of other studios. In addition, this model, frankly speaking, is not a superstar. Judging by the correspondence, she agreed to this exact payment. They paid her the money, so who and what is the claim now?
It seems to me that they just had some disagreements during filming, and now she is trying to get “revenge”, that’s all.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 1:55 pmby jjwhite1985
homoneandertalensis1990 wrote:As far as I understand, the fees that the studio offered for filming are quite good and similar to the fees of other studios. In addition, this model, frankly speaking, is not a superstar. Judging by the correspondence, she agreed to this exact payment. They paid her the money, so who and what is the claim now?
It seems to me that they just had some disagreements during filming, and now she is trying to get “revenge”, that’s all.
Well if you look at the screenshots the agreed fees totalled €5200 for four scenes, whereas they only paid her €4935, which is why she's complaining that they've stiffed her for €265. Whether or not she's a well known model is irrelevant (perhaps worse if they thought they could get away with it because she doesn't have name recognition).
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:53 pmby homoneandertalensis1990
jjwhite1985 wrote:homoneandertalensis1990 wrote:As far as I understand, the fees that the studio offered for filming are quite good and similar to the fees of other studios. In addition, this model, frankly speaking, is not a superstar. Judging by the correspondence, she agreed to this exact payment. They paid her the money, so who and what is the claim now?
It seems to me that they just had some disagreements during filming, and now she is trying to get “revenge”, that’s all.
Well if you look at the screenshots the agreed fees totalled €5200 for four scenes, whereas they only paid her €4935, which is why she's complaining that they've stiffed her for €265. Whether or not she's a well known model is irrelevant (perhaps worse if they thought they could get away with it because she doesn't have name recognition).
Yes, I see it now. But at first, fees were offered in dollars, not euros. Maybe they were talking about dollars? In any case, we don't know all the details.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:08 pmby DPraved
homoneandertalensis1990 wrote:jjwhite1985 wrote:homoneandertalensis1990 wrote:As far as I understand, the fees that the studio offered for filming are quite good and similar to the fees of other studios. In addition, this model, frankly speaking, is not a superstar. Judging by the correspondence, she agreed to this exact payment. They paid her the money, so who and what is the claim now?
It seems to me that they just had some disagreements during filming, and now she is trying to get “revenge”, that’s all.
Well if you look at the screenshots the agreed fees totalled €5200 for four scenes, whereas they only paid her €4935, which is why she's complaining that they've stiffed her for €265. Whether or not she's a well known model is irrelevant (perhaps worse if they thought they could get away with it because she doesn't have name recognition).
Yes, I see it now. But at first, fees were offered in dollars, not euros. Maybe they were talking about dollars? In any case, we don't know all the details.
Read it again. The final offer was in Euro and that's what was agreed upon.
I sincerely hope this was a stupid error by EKS and that they will make good on their word ASAP, or this will seriously hurt my impression of them as a professional studio! If they cheat their models they don't deserve to survive as a studio.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 6:34 pmby jjwhite1985
homoneandertalensis1990 wrote:jjwhite1985 wrote:homoneandertalensis1990 wrote:As far as I understand, the fees that the studio offered for filming are quite good and similar to the fees of other studios. In addition, this model, frankly speaking, is not a superstar. Judging by the correspondence, she agreed to this exact payment. They paid her the money, so who and what is the claim now?
It seems to me that they just had some disagreements during filming, and now she is trying to get “revenge”, that’s all.
Well if you look at the screenshots the agreed fees totalled €5200 for four scenes, whereas they only paid her €4935, which is why she's complaining that they've stiffed her for €265. Whether or not she's a well known model is irrelevant (perhaps worse if they thought they could get away with it because she doesn't have name recognition).
Yes, I see it now. But at first, fees were offered in dollars, not euros. Maybe they were talking about dollars? In any case, we don't know all the details.
European studios and European models aren't going to deal in dollars so this was obviously a typo originally. The fees were agreed in Euros, as you can see in the screenshot.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:11 pmby hyapet
As with all things - it's always best to take the non-financial details with a grain of salt.
If lots of different actresses start saying these things - then, alright. But, one woman saying the entire production is shit and nobody has a clue as to what they're doing while at the same time raising the issue of finances is completely suspicious.
If there was a problem with the payment - then perhaps it was an actual error. That doesn't mean it doesn't have to be rectified - but to assume ill-will or nefarious scheming isn't fair either.
Hopefully this comes to a resolution where everyone gets what they're actually owed, whether or not that means this actress is owed money or not.
Personally, though ...
EKS is nothing to write home about. The best thing about that studio is the editors and camera people of the videos themselves. They all took it upon themselves to go to the school of NRX and take everything that worked there and try to improve upon it or give more in that vein.
Everything else is, well ...
I'm sorry - I'm just going to say it - I'm used to black actors with huge hung cocks. These black guys have, in all honesty, really improved their performances from roughly a year ago. They bring a lot more energy into it than they did - and they really bring themselves into the role. They're really fucking the girls. That's actually wonderful to see. The only issue is - and this is really to zero fault of their own - but their cocks are all the same size as a starter's dildo. Long, yes, but incredibly thin. It's almost like, sometimes, I feel like I have to get my magnifying glass out to find where that thing even fucking is.
The idea of white girl's getting fucked by black cocks is that they're unable to handle it. But two of those black guys, combined, together, at maximum girth, doesn't even hold a candle to what Leo Casanova has on his own. It's like, going to a pretend BBC DAP. And you can see it with a lot of the girl's performing there as well. They're either just doing it, trying to hide a giggle, or looking like, "Oh boy! See that! I'm actually doing it!" when, in reality, they know fully well they're not getting the true experience, and you can see it.
Then there are the girls - and - well ... they fall into two categories.
90% of all the "girls" are 35 to 40 year old women, tattooed up the wazoo, sagging in all the wrong places, with faces that look like a frying pan. Either incredibly (far too) skinny, with the uncanny-valley balloon-sized fake breasts, or a big lump of flesh that's just kind of molded together, like a ball of playdough that's been left on the radiator. Bonus points for looking like a chicken that's come out of the crisper with, what should've been a nice natural white look, replaced by a light-absorbing orange/dark brown combo that looks like a tanning bed, somewhere in the city, is seriously out of breath.
The other 10% are actual big-name girls who've already run the AV/PB porn circuit so many times, they'll probably name the next marathon after them. Truly, the only thing left on the checklist is to start their own studio. All the same, they come, and perform the same routine they did elsewhere, more like, everywhere, but now for them as well. It was like the last remaining spot left on their AV/PB bingo card - and, well, now - they've stamped it.
I thought the point of opening a studio in Eastern Europe was to get close to some of the outrageously hot young teen girls there. I mean, it's unfair to assume that they would all be knocking on EKS' door, or storming their EKS gate, but almost everyone EKS has shot that's been great has either been someone who's come from NRX, the South American studios, or somewhere else in the AV/PB family.
Some of the performers now are so ... not exquisitely beautiful ... that they're actually turning down the lighting. Where it's like, "Let people use their imagination, you know ... just because."
Like, I thought the point of them staying close to the border of Russia was to create a most-Russian-esque repertoire of insanely hot young girls.
Watching what EKS is doing these days is like watching a prodigious mathematical genius go to Harvard and develop a coke habit.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:47 pmby Giorgio Grandi
jjwhite1985 wrote:European studios and European models aren't going to deal in dollars so this was obviously a typo originally. The fees were agreed in Euros, as you can see in the screenshot.
Many studios are dealing in USD dollars also in Europe
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:51 pmby jjwhite1985
Giorgio Grandi wrote:jjwhite1985 wrote:European studios and European models aren't going to deal in dollars so this was obviously a typo originally. The fees were agreed in Euros, as you can see in the screenshot.
Many studios are dealing in USD dollars also in Europe
And is EKS dealing in USD?
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:57 pmby Giorgio Grandi
jjwhite1985 wrote:Giorgio Grandi wrote:jjwhite1985 wrote:European studios and European models aren't going to deal in dollars so this was obviously a typo originally. The fees were agreed in Euros, as you can see in the screenshot.
Many studios are dealing in USD dollars also in Europe
And is EKS dealing in USD?
I have no idea, but if you would ask me to bet, I would say “yes”. (There are several reason because I would bet this and none is linked to the quarrel with that model)
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:17 amby jjwhite1985
Right, but how relevant is this given the screenshot shows the agreed fee in Euros?
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:02 amby maxymax
This is just absurd and wrong way of resolving a specific conflict. For all we know this could be an isolated incident, provided it is true and this is not the way one should take it up by trying to instigate a boycott of a studio that is bread & butter for many performers and other professionals involved. In fact, we as members/consumers have no right to even discuss this and judge. It should be the two involved parties that should sort it out among themselves. The OP has posted only one side of the story and who knows what went on behind the scenes
Giorgio, surprised to see you post here despite your decades of experience in the business and as a professional I'd stay out of such posts
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:30 amby jerrybb
EKS have managed to film some fantastic models but the quailty of production is still very poor compared to GG studios. The messsages kinda explain the reasons behind this.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 11:14 amby dap-addict
homoneandertalensis1990 wrote:Yes, I see it now. But at first, fees were offered in dollars, not euros. Maybe they were talking about dollars? In any case, we don't know all the details.
Indeed, could be that it's only a USD to Euro conversion question.
In this case Melania Dark would have missed about 50euro, not 265euro.
But still there would be something missing. A pretty small amount, not worth making such a fuss.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 11:16 amby feltrough
so all could be mix up of dollars and euros? first its talked in dollars and then in euros and payment is in euro too
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 12:20 pmby jjwhite1985
You've all got eyes right, you can see it was agreed in euros? Man it's no wonder mainstream porn is on its ass, what girl in their right mind is gonna keep going through this much trouble just to get paid when other alternatives are available
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:29 pmby DPraved
jjwhite1985 wrote:You've all got eyes right, you can see it was agreed in euros? Man it's no wonder mainstream porn is on its ass, what girl in their right mind is gonna keep going through this much trouble just to get paid when other alternatives are available
Well said.
EKS didn't pay what was agreed and ghosted the model afterwards. She obviously wouldn't have gone public otherwise. It's very clear who is in the wrong here and I'm pissed off by some of the bullshit posts here suggesting she should just accept being cheated on her due payment! That's not ok in any line of work!
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:31 pmby Giorgio Grandi
maxymax wrote:This is just absurd and wrong way of resolving a specific conflict. For all we know this could be an isolated incident, provided it is true and this is not the way one should take it up by trying to instigate a boycott of a studio that is bread & butter for many performers and other professionals involved. In fact, we as members/consumers have no right to even discuss this and judge. It should be the two involved parties that should sort it out among themselves. The OP has posted only one side of the story and who knows what went on behind the scenes
Giorgio, surprised to see you post here despite your decades of experience in the business and as a professional I'd stay out of such posts
Tbh, I commented the point about in what currency the performer are paid in Europe and I bet also Erika pays in usd.
I did not comment the OP or the quarrel between the studio and the model.
Said that:
The model made the issue public, so it’s normal people talk about it, I did not. I specified the assumption of a user was wrong (that in eu everyone pays in euro).
So, because of my decades of experience, I am helping to have a clean ground to discuss about correcting your (plural) wrong assumptions.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:41 pmby DPraved
Just look at the transaction details for god's sake. It's clearly in Euro and it even lists the agreed amounts as 900 + 900 + 1500 + 1900. The total should be 5200 and not the 4935 Euros that was payed!
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 2:39 pmby dap-addict
Ok, I agree with DPraved: I was getting puzzled by that USD and Euro mix, but whatever base currency EKS takes, and a lot points to $$$, fact is fees were agreed in Euro and payed according to agreement in Euro.
Now question is why there were 265Euro missing? - Maybe it was a bank charge? Or some tax issue?
This said it's indeed strange and not professional EKS seems to have ghosted Melania Dark.
dap-addict wrote:Indeed, could be that it's only a USD to Euro conversion question.
Anyway, note that fees payed are pretty high and also that EKS rather went up to Melania Darks request and didnt really try to get her work for less money.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 2:42 pmby peshmerga
maxymax wrote:This is just absurd and wrong way of resolving a specific conflict. For all we know this could be an isolated incident, provided it is true and this is not the way one should take it up by trying to instigate a boycott of a studio that is bread & butter for many performers and other professionals involved. In fact, we as members/consumers have no right to even discuss this and judge. It should be the two involved parties that should sort it out among themselves. The OP has posted only one side of the story and who knows what went on behind the scenes
Shame on you, so by your reasoning if a producer steals(or beats up) a model it's not the members/consumers problem.. and we should keep buying scenes from that studio? are you ok or what? I've never watched a scene of Melania, I don't like her but I've morals and sensitivity about petty behaviour
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:17 pmby apollo75
peshmerga wrote:maxymax wrote:This is just absurd and wrong way of resolving a specific conflict. For all we know this could be an isolated incident, provided it is true and this is not the way one should take it up by trying to instigate a boycott of a studio that is bread & butter for many performers and other professionals involved. In fact, we as members/consumers have no right to even discuss this and judge. It should be the two involved parties that should sort it out among themselves. The OP has posted only one side of the story and who knows what went on behind the scenes
Shame on you, so by your reasoning if a producer steals(or beats up) a model it's not the members/consumers problem.. and we should keep buying scenes from that studio? are you ok or what? I've never watched a scene of Melania, I don't like her but I've morals and sensitivity about petty behaviour
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:23 pmby maxymax
peshmerga wrote:maxymax wrote:This is just absurd and wrong way of resolving a specific conflict. For all we know this could be an isolated incident, provided it is true and this is not the way one should take it up by trying to instigate a boycott of a studio that is bread & butter for many performers and other professionals involved. In fact, we as members/consumers have no right to even discuss this and judge. It should be the two involved parties that should sort it out among themselves. The OP has posted only one side of the story and who knows what went on behind the scenes
Shame on you, so by your reasoning if a producer steals(or beats up) a model it's not the members/consumers problem.. and we should keep buying scenes from that studio? are you ok or what? I've never watched a scene of Melania, I don't like her but I've morals and sensitivity about petty behaviour
I don't even know you and don't care. I'm here for porn and not to oversee how the studios conduct their business and neither do you have any right to discredit a studio. You could be easily sued for defamation and damages therein by the studio
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:13 pmby kolbino
I will be unbiased in this matter. The key thing in any business is professionalism. Professionalism of everybody involved. In porn, that means producers, directors, male and female models.
I know for sure that some female models act like princesses, unprofessionally and yet they get away with it. How come? Because they are female models? That is simply unacceptable. What about when a female model doesn't perform anal or DAP scene well? She should be paid less, job was done poorly. Female model is a cum or a piss dodger, she doesn't swallow? She should be paid less, job was done poorly. But, female models get fully paid although they've done their job poorly. That is a fact. How come they stay silent, they don't complaint about that? Oh yes, they are female models, they can do their job poorly, act like princesses, unprofessionally, get fully paid, yet than they keep their mouth shut.
Melania Dark wrote:"in the house of Models there was neither toilet paper nor minimum things". As we clearly see from a photo that she published on X, she saw the bunk beds and all the other things in the Model house. Yet, she decided to stay, she didn't leave. She didn't like the Model house? There are many hotels, apartments for rent in Bucharest. What, they cost money? She didn't want to pay for that? She decided to stay in Models house although she could've left elsewhere at any time.
Melania Dark wrote:"The actors except two, they are new and do not know how to position themselves for the scenes, they do not know how to fuck you and they hurt you, and what they seek is to fuck this more than work". Well, honey you do have a mouth, you can use it to say something during the scene. You could've said something to the producer, director or simply stop the scene. Yet, you stay silent. But, you were very vocal on X, 10 days later once you left the Model house and the studio.
I remember how Vince Vouyer(when he was performer, director for Red Light District)stopped the scene and kicked the female model who acted like a princess, was doing her job poorly, out of the studio. It was something like this:" Get the fuck out. This ain't goddam Vivid. You're not getting paid. Bye, bye." That's how it should be.
The thing is, Melania Dark was in a hurry to go public(on all her accounts and managers)with obvious attempt to harm EKS reputation. The truth is, at this point we don't know what really happened with a "staggering" amount of 265 Euro. We don't know how the money was sent. Was the commission involved and was that a reason for the difference in the payment.
I'm not defending EKS, but I'm fed up with female models who act in this way. There were other ways to handle this matter.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:16 pmby kolbino
Photo of bunk beds in a Model house of EKS, published by Melania Dark on X.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 9:21 pmby leo.casanovaxxx
Hi everyone!
First of all, I want to say that I wasn't in Bucharest when Melania worked there, so I don't know exactly what happened. But today I saw this thread and called Erika to ask her about it. She is in holiday now and asked me to write here her version of the facts.
First thing she said, is that in the WhatsApp's screenshots that Melania posted, it was not Erika herself writing, but an agent. As you can see from the screenshots the first offer in US Dollars was refused by Melania. So it was done to her a second offer with higher fees and the currency was also (mistakenly) written by the agent in Euros this time. Logically it makes no sense to make a first offer in US Dollars and a second one with higher rates and with an higher currency. So basically Erika says that it was a mistake of the agent to write in Euros instead of US Dollars. But still, Melania is right, because what was offered to her was a total of 5200 euros for 4 scenes and that's what she agreed to. Moreover, you can see that after the payment with the missing 265 euros, the agent, instead of explaining the misunderstanding and find a solution (for example this 265$ could have been taken from his/her cut, since it was his/her mistake), just ignored her messages. I guess this was what made Melania angry and fell fooled. And that's why she made it public.
So, this "scandal" could have been avoided easily with some better communication, I guess.
In the end, I want to add from myself, that I know Erika since almost 10 years. She has always been very nice to me and as far as I know, she has always paid everyone as agreed. As for the model house, yes, there are bunk beds, because it has to accommodate a lot of people, but it's actually a very nice 4 floors villa with a swimming pool in a nice area of Bucharest. So don't think that we live in bad conditions there.
That's all from me. I wish all nice Christmas holidays!
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Sun Dec 29, 2024 11:49 pmby DPraved
Thank you Leo for getting involved in this discussion and explaining the matter. The way you explain it, it does indeed sound like this was poorly handled by the agent, rather than EKS. As long as Melania gets the money she is owed, I don't really care how the matter gets resolved.
I'm pleased to hear that you have great trust in Erika, since I in turn trust your judgement. It makes me a lot more comfortable to continue supporting this studio, especially now that we know Virgin Butterfly will be working at the Bucharest studio, and I wish her every success on this trip.
Again, thank you Leo, for setting the matter straight. The industry is lucky to have you!
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:17 amby jjwhite1985
Thanks for the explanation, makes a lot of sense. Scumbag agents, some things never change whatever the industry. And Merry Christmas!
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:10 amby dap-addict
I know that agent. Yes, looks like his fault. No surprise on my side.
Thanks to Leo for explaining what happened. Good my guts about EKS were right!
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:15 amby dap-addict
edit: *her agent - (s)he, sorry.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:52 amby Vancouver
This looks rather out of context and highly misleading. Also, it is an agent and not the studio it seems that she is texting.
I think the thread title should be completely changed as it is damaging to the studio when they don't seem to be in the wrong here other than miscommunication.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:54 amby Vancouver
In addition, this seems to be a scummy agent trying to smear/bully the studio into paying more money because he spends too much on himself and can't pay the girl her full rate. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:10 pmby isis666xxx
apollo75 wrote:peshmerga wrote:maxymax wrote:This is just absurd and wrong way of resolving a specific conflict. For all we know this could be an isolated incident, provided it is true and this is not the way one should take it up by trying to instigate a boycott of a studio that is bread & butter for many performers and other professionals involved. In fact, we as members/consumers have no right to even discuss this and judge. It should be the two involved parties that should sort it out among themselves. The OP has posted only one side of the story and who knows what went on behind the scenes
Shame on you, so by your reasoning if a producer steals(or beats up) a model it's not the members/consumers problem.. and we should keep buying scenes from that studio? are you ok or what? I've never watched a scene of Melania, I don't like her but I've morals and sensitivity about petty behaviour
hahahahahahahahah
that image is so funny
Re: EKS won't pay the models as agreed
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Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:24 pmby isis666xxx
i made a thread about this in Erika Korti model section:
viewtopic.php?f=233&t=91746