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I am still really impressed by the latest Karina Grand scene paired with porn fans favorite Nataly Gold.
http://legalporno.com/watch/29875/karin ... p_ed_sz819

Nataly has a really hard stand against the elegant blond bombshell from Moldova - one of the first porn girls ever from this small country.
Hightlight of that scene for me is when the studs try to get rid of her golden corsett to expose her new tits while dapping her!

Karina Grand has very few scenes on her own but gets usually paired with other girls. I am really biased towards 2/3on1 scenes, but I think this fact gives us an excellent chance to compare Karinas performance with the girls she's paired with. Who is better at what? Is Karina really that good?
Example: In the mentioned scene Karina Grand really outplays Nataly Gold - who might have been nervous as it was her first dap shot neither for GG nor SOS - but Nataly bjs much better, especially balls deep.

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So, how about just comparing them and their performance at...

- solo play (n/a here in this scene)
- credible lez play
- dildo play (self-dildoing)
- bj
- anal
- pile drive anal (extra points for pretzel position)
- credible ATOGM joy
- DP-ability
- overall DAP-ability
- DAP-ability in reverse cowgirl (rc, usually less deep fucking)
- DAP-ability in cowgirl (cg, usually deeper fucking i.e. more difficult to perform good)
- gape-abiliy
- credible (faked or rare real) on-set orgasms
- credible joy of receiving cum-shots
- sperm eating/swallowing
- credible joy of receiving piss (only scenes shot till April 1st 2015) - n/a here
- piss drinking (only scenes shot till April 1st 2015) - n/a here
- credible manhandle joy

forgot something?
I adhere the idea of fun and joy porn entertainment not that of ordeal for the girl.


Btw, later editions planned with Karina Grand vs. Susan Ayn, Billy Star, Blanche Bradburry etc.
Also, LP please remember, Karina Grand is an independant performer based in Prague now, no connection with Julmodels anymore!

Lets start:
- solo play (n/a here in this scene)
- credible lez play - Karina Grand
- dildo play (self-dildoing) - Karina Grand
- bj - Nataly Gold

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Karina Grand takes her dick in only so far...


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...Nataly Gold on the contrary has not the slightest problem with balls deep bj.

So far in my book Nataly wins since lez and self-dildoing isnt anything I watch in porn. But to each his own, thus for others Karina may have more points so far.

Karina looked really amazing in that black/golden outfit. She looked girly and It complemented her blond hair perfectly.
And her face was very beautiful, I was very happy with her make up as I much prefer when it's something subtle.

Karina is so nasty: Just look at this, MAN, I wish more of the dudes could adopt this attitude


I also liked Karina's multiple attempts to suck dick while sticking her tongue out, that's very sexy to me.
And her Facial expressions when she is getting fucked are exactly how I like them. (a bit of pain mixed with pleasure).

Nataly and the men did a great job too. I also liked the camera man work. This was a great scene.
I usually don't like scenes with multiple girls but this was mighty fine /kudos.

magizi87 wrote:the men did a great job too.

Who was the support fucker for Christian Clay?



Btw, shall we later have a closer look at the anal performances of our two cuties?
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Nataly already plugged STA, Karina waiting...

Here is the stud in question:
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Any idea who he is?

Anal Toy Part was very good. Deep toy anal. It satisfied my taste for ATM. ATOGM for other people who likes that.

One great thing Nataly Gold did do was taking deep toy anal (8:00) and then Karina shoving that dildo deep down Nataly's throat (Very nice ATM). That part was done very well and captured well.

The camera work could have been made the scene better in some parts but overall I was quite happy with the scene. Karina Grand and/or Nataly Gold scenes in general have been very good.

I'd have to give this one to Nataly Gold just for that part alone.

First of all, I support this discussion very much. The insights are great same (as response and esteem) for the performers and producers and (as improvement) for us, the audience.

There are really a lot of points to discuss from the teasing at the beginning, the golden bust opening to the creampie ending. But overall I agree with my predecessors that Karina wins the performance.

Karina leads through the different phases of the scene. Karina's better with the dildo (on Nataly and on herself). Another hint for her leading role is she doesn't make these high pitched grunts as Nataly, which sound really girlish. This is best reviewed in the crouch scene (btw my favorite psoition for dildo work) where Karina acts really cool and feminine and Nataly overacts with high pitch and fast motion (she already drips, no kidding , that's saliva from the warm up). But one point for Nataly: good deep anal dildo action.

At this point Nataly's focus on the director or camera guy becomes a little annoying. She does this from the start but now it becomes to much, her eyes try to contact someone behind the camera, it looks irritating at least. Now we come to cock sucking which I would like to skip because sucking is the most boring action and LP hasn't added anything fruitful to this kind of action. Only one thing (which is a typical kind of disrespect we sometimes find in LP production) one guy wants to suffocate Nataly (don't know if she likes the practice, but it looks awful).

Eventually we come to anal action which is always good at LP and doggy is a good start. Both girls have really tight butthole so the gape lovers should be disappointed. Karina as lead starts with DAP (a good one, long, no dipping, DAP at LP is always high quality) Nataly as supporting actress has to start with atm. Karina now howls like a female wolf giving birth, which is really sexy. I skip the interlude with sucking and now the preparation DP for Nataly's DAP starter. Good DAP either, but the high pitch …
Change of position from Natayl to reverse cg, a little lubrication spit from Karina (cool!) and an attempted DAP which is cancelled because of a lack of stability.

Btw I don't like Nataly's facial expression here. Maybe this is caused by a recent gain of weight (which for her body shape is OK but her face gets a little vulgar look). Well, the scene goes on with the unintentional rev cg. One plus the girls still have their heels on which I appreciate very much! Now back to DAP (it took us nearly 4 minutes to come back, but now Nataly's butthole is well prepared, the dick slides in easily). DAP mediocre because of length. I skip the sucking and now comes my favorite part of the scene: Karina rev cg dapped (she'S got so nice inner labiae which are always open you can see vagina and urethra ). Undressing the bustier. Unfortunately an edit in this scene, too bad, no point for length (btw LP: this is good for a bts story!). Some parallel rev cg.

Finally some awkward attempts for gape, the creampies and a little prolapsing, kissing and Bye, Byes.
Karina wins, Nataly is second.

aquin

SensHK33 wrote:I'd have to give this one to Nataly Gold just for that part alone.

Interesting comment, SensHK33!
I dont have an ATM/ATOGM fetish myself, but it fascinates me yours is as strong that you dont really care for the subsequent b/g fucking at all!
Do you generally just care for the solo/lez/dildo start of each scene?

dap-addict wrote:

SensHK33 wrote:I'd have to give this one to Nataly Gold just for that part alone.

Interesting comment, SensHK33!
I dont have an ATM/ATOGM fetish myself, but it fascinates me yours is as strong that you dont really care for the subsequent b/g fucking at all!
Do you generally just care for the solo/lez/dildo start of each scene?

Yep dap-addict. I just pay tickets to watch the solo/lez/dildo start of each scene. Just my preference. I am just a fan of ATM solo/lesbian/toys. I don't really care for ATOGM, as that is way over done in American/European porn and is dominating most lesbian scenes these days. ATM is getting rarer and rarer ... only reason why I complain when it's done only once and it's captured poorly. Lesbian Toy ATM is not done as often as you think.

Just my preference. as like everyone has something they like seeing.

Nataly Gold taking that dildo deep and the swallowed that dildo like a champ straight from her ass. Props to the camera guy captured that part well and those types of lesbian/toy ATM scenes are few and far between.

I cannot wait to watch this scene and read this thread!!! I love quality discussions and critiques of scenes and performances. We need more threads like this one. Hopefully I can offer some insights soon.

dap-addict wrote:So, how about just comparing them and their performance at...

- solo play (n/a here in this scene)
- credible lez play
- dildo play (self-dildoing)
- bj
- anal
- pile drive anal (extra points for pretzel position)
- credible ATOGM joy
(...)
forgot something?
I adhere the idea of fun and joy porn entertainment not that of ordeal for the girl.

Just watched the scene again for the anal workout assessment and really would like to add rc anal as an important subcategory new as its quite demanding and thus rarely performed really fine.

Furthermore SensHK33 alerted me that atm is missing.

Finally I think we should add some general categories like mood/smile, (camera-)eye contact and basic camera avareness, ie. does a girl keep in mind she shouldnt obstruct the view when the other one gets fucked etc.

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Post-dap ATM for Karina and ATOGM for Nataly.

Something more still important missing?

aquin wrote:First of all, I support this discussion very much. The insights are great same (as response and esteem) for the performers and producers and (as improvement) for us, the audience.

Thanks a lot, aquin!
Very valid input! Shall come back to it later today...

dap-addict wrote:…
Thanks a lot, aquin!
Very valid input! Shall come back to it later today...

You're welcome, DAP-Addict! I hope I can contribute a lot more in the future.

aquin

Thanks, aquin, I am waiting....

aquin wrote:Btw I don't like Nataly's facial expression here. Maybe this is caused by a recent gain of weight (which for her body shape is OK but her face gets a little vulgar look).

This, btw, is a very good remark as well. I wondered a lot myself why I like her so much less her than when she performed her first dap for Giorgio Grandi...
The difference in time is only 3 weeks maybe, but Nataly must have had a bad time or/and bad food in Budapest.

This is the new Nataly Gold face you have in mind, aquin?

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Shall we all move on to anal asssessmant than?

Ok. lets just go on than!

- anal
- rc anal
- pile drive anal (extra points for pretzel position)
- all other anal positions - Nataly and Karina equally?

Most balanced in the anal workout it is during the first few minutes after the STA. Nataly does take the doggy anal quite fine actually, although she isnt as bendable as Karina and thus looks stiff and stressed at times. Karina Grand looks like she had some initial lube problems, but soon gives in fine.

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Minor point maybe...but strange proportions: Nataly's hand is too big compared to her ass cheaks.

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Karina's body is in better shape.

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...also she gives in fine into anal lust after a while.

what about gape?

i would love to see a gape assessment once a while.

Did you read the first post, 18cm?
gape = gape-ability
You are welcome to elaborate on Karina Grand vs. Nataly Gold here of course!

dap-addict wrote:This is the new Nataly Gold face you have in mind, aquin?

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Shall we all move on to anal asssessmant than?

Yes, DAP-Addict, that's the face …
aquin

dap-addict wrote:Did you read the first post, 18cm?
gape = gape-ability
You are welcome to elaborate on Karina Grand vs. Nataly Gold here of course!

come on put pictures of both assholes gaped so we can decide which one is better

You better buy that scene, watch it and shoot some caps yourself!
Or at least compare both girls gapeing and write about here.

A little help for you, 18cm:

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Karina waiting for her cream fill.

Ok, I guess you guessed it I clearly opt for Karina Grand in the anal only Dept.
The cg anal intro is pretty balaced for both girls, but as soon as it comes to the other positions, Nataly Gold looses a lot. She isnt relaxed and flexible enough, too.

dap-addict wrote:Ok. lets just go on than!
- anal - Karina Grand
- rc anal - Karina Grand
- pile drive anal (extra points for pretzel position) - extra point for Karina Grand
- all other anal positions - Nataly and Karina equally? - balanced only in cowgirl

Karina relaxed and eager in pretzel position, Nataly fighting as soon as her legs should be bent over a bit. Tells a lot!



Karina Grand in all her anal greatness.

What do you think?
How do fellow Nataly Gold fans feel?

No Nataly Gold fans left defending her?

Hi, dap-addict, I like this thread and the fact that you're trying to give some quality in depth review.
I was waiting till I found the time to watch the scene again to give my detailed review, but with all great new SOS scenes... it lacks me the time to watch this scene for the second time....

Anyway, because the scene includes my two absolute favorite models, I will add my (not so detailed) opinion:
Karina Grand is the best to me in the intro part. She plays with the camera more naturally than Nataly and her expressions (like in this gif from magizi87) are to die for

magizi87 wrote:

Altough I like the cute innocent look of Nataly a lot as well. But I think they used too much make-up for Nataly in this scene.

The oral part is no doubt for Nataly Gold. She's the best deepthroater on LP by far. Karina scores good points though with giving blowjobs with the tongue out of her mouth.

The anal part I would give to Karina Grand, because she's the star of the sexy pretzel position. Double anal as well I would give this one to Karina, although almost a tie to me, but Karina looks more like begging for it here.

Over all it's an incredible scene; I think Karina Grand was the best performer here, but Nataly Gold was as great as always as well. Would love to see them both again!

Thanks a lot, Lars!
I really appreciate your effort!

Lars wrote:Altough I like the cute innocent look of Nataly a lot as well. But I think they used too much make-up for Nataly in this scene.

Interesting remark, but I dont think its the make-up.
Its rather just the way Nataly Gold has aged fast over the last 1-2 years. Sorry to say that, but...
I also think while its good she does eat more, the that more weight she put on doesnt really look good on her.

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Nataly Gold and Karina Grand after make-up, February 2015 at LP studio Prague

She's looking pretty good there!

She was too skinny for my personal taste in the past but, in general, I try to avoid criticizing how girls look, because it's unnecessary and because there's always someone out there who appreciates how they look even if I don't.

Good points, Iddaoeeok!
I think we need really to be very cautious critizizing girls looks here also as many of them read their threads.
Me, I certainly dont wanna hurt Nataly Gold! Its just that while I think she was a bit boney sometimes in the past, her weight put on changed her appearance. She looks really good in those GG and LP scenes, but she also changed a lot and is just older. Nothing bad, just the way it is!

dap-addict wrote:Good points, Iddaoeeok!
I think we need really to be very cautious critizizing girls looks here also as many of them read their threads.
Me, I certainly dont wanna hurt Nataly Gold! Its just that while I think she was a bit boney sometimes in the past, her weight put on changed her appearance. She looks really good in those GG and LP scenes, but she also changed a lot and is just older. Nothing bad, just the way it is!

I think both of you, Iddaoeeok and DAP-Addict, are right and wrong at the same time! Correct: girls are reading these threads and could feel degraded. This would be bad.

But on the other hand, we, as their faithful audience, should comment formal things as they are a relevant aspect of their work and our faith. Such a formal thing is the look.

But and this is important, we should always do it with respect, and should always keep in mind that there might be reasons we cannot decode.

aquin

Respect is the keyword here, thanks quin!

Sometimes fans are taken over by moods and feeings especially just after watching a scene with a girl they really like and words sounding harsh come out. I can only excuse for any word written or said which hurt any porn girl. It was not ment to hurt but as an open hearted input from a faithful audience as aquin calls it. These girls have my highest regards for what they do for us porn fans! But of course working in the entertainment industry they need also to know what we really think of their performance and appearance.


This said...I feel like moveing on from that Karina Grand vs. Nataly Gold scene for a moment for actual reasons. Also Nataly is out of reach at the moment for more LP scenes, while at the same time Giorgio Grandi just started to shoot regular Czech gonzo.com girls and the first impression is really BIG!

Now for this moment - at least till the Jul question is solved - comparing Karina Grand with Billy Star seems more approprate:
(of course for all Nataly Gold fans I shall return to her for sure!)

http://www.legalporno.com/watch/29664/b ... orno_sz787

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Billy Star gets a strong dap intro in rc which is easier to perform for her as the studs dont dig that deep.

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Mike and later anchoring Kid run into wood problems towards the end of the dap workout when its rc time again. Karina makes the best out of it.

dap-addict wrote:… Karina makes the best out of it.

She always does!
aquin