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Just realized that 120TKT re-charge option price has risen by 1,37% during last 24h.
It's a minor price rise, but still.


Disclaimer: No politics here please, just effects on porn, only porn!

GIO warned recently that porn scenes will get more expensive because talent pool is getting smaller due to OF earning options for the girls. Thats a general trend. But add Trumps victory and what turns out for porn?



Maybe more Latinas staying home and turning to porn.
Maybe more competition amongst Latina porn destinations putting pressure on local fees. Just thinking of some options of what could happen in porn after Jan 2025 inauguration of Donald Trump in the US.

It is interesting that you brought this up. I personally believe that Trump presidency in 2016 was one of the main reasons that killed american porn (it was probably unavoidable in a long run despite election). Studios and performers took a moral posturing that was more alligned with progressive politics (stopped shooting hard scenes, stopped giving work to good looking models (body positivity), started to weed "bad" actors/producers out). As for this election i don't think it will change anything in the US. Their professional porn industry is dead already.

dap-addict wrote:GIO warned recently that porn scenes will get more expensive because talent pool is getting smaller due to OF earning options for the girls. Thats a general trend. But add Trumps victory and what turns out for porn?

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Maybe more Latinas staying home and turning to porn.
Maybe more competition amongst Latina porn destinations putting pressure on local fees. Just thinking of some options of what could happen in porn after Jan 2025 inauguration of Donald Trump in the US.

Who is that in your picture? Tried searching for Florencia, but didn't see anything pop up.

Scouted her.
She's not in biz yet, but will soon be.

add: Florencia is dreaming to emigrate to US, but I guess thats not possible anymore. Anyway, in her case she'll do porn first to rise money for life and travel up North. I think Trump changed her life a bit on Nov. 5th. But than I have a good, fair payed job for her, too!

THANK GOD DONALD TRUMP IS NOW PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2024

I think its time for everyone who really enjoys watching hardcore sex fetish porn to seriously reconsider how the victory of President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance will effect the hardcore porn community and the adult entertainment industry in general.

Donald Trump has been pushing for more diversity in gender roles and sexual roles for women in mainstream entertainment like Hollywood blockbuster movies, so the porn industry should also consider changing and updating their policy on inclusion, specifically to give women more power in adult porn studios like pornbox, analvids, pissvids. Hopefully after Donald Trump is sworn in and takes the oath on January 20, 2025, companies like these will finally be forced to make important fundamental changes, such as shooting more hardcore erotic lesbian girl-girl sex based fetish porn content.

And to make it even better for all hardcore lesbian sex fetish porn fans and paying customers of smut, the Republican party has now taken full control of both the U.S Senate and House Of Congress, plus the U.S Supreme Court is now packed with conservative right wing leaning justice judges. Next year in 2025, there will be some serious changes to how mainstream porn studios are allowed to shoot their content. Gone are the days of boring straight heterosexual porn, instead all that nonsense will finally be replaced by better quality hardcore girl-girl lesbian sex porn content. And Trump and the Republicans also plan to regulate and control the internet and the world wide web of pornsites such as pornbox, analvids, pissvids. YES MY FRIENDS , HARDCORE LESBIAN GIRL-GIRL SEX FETISH PORN CONTENT WILL BE ENFORCED. If any porn studio doesn't produce more content like this, there will be actual fines and penalties, including prison time. So to directors like Freax and Giorgio Grandi, if you dont shoot more hardcore lesbian sex stuff?? you might be fined and you might even go to jail, and your studios shut down by the new Republican American government so please take this warning seriously!!!!

TRUMP IS GOING TO CHANGE PORN AND MAKE HARDCORE LESBIAN SEX STUFF GREAT AGAIN THANK YOU TO ALL AMERICAN VOTERS
AND NO IM NOT JOKING ABOUT ANY OF THIS, THIS IS SERIOUSLY GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY WE CAN VIEW PORNOGRAPHY

Yeah, I searched and saw the same image on your other thread from back in March 2024. I guess it'll be a while. If she's not in the business yet, I'm assuming she's probably just doing Cam shows and/or OF? Or nothing at all at this point?

While Trump did win, it'll likely just increase restrictions to live here permanently for those outside the US. It won't be impossible, it'll just be tougher. Coming here temporarily will still be possible too, but likely a tad more difficult. Overall, I don't think him or his administration will do much to the industry as it is - but it's too early to tell at this point. Although, if any of the proposals from their Project 2025 does happen, it does include language to ban porn (including punishment for creating/distributing it). I doubt that part will ever see fruition, but we really won't know. Things could continue to go with the flow or we could be looking at some sweeping changes. Either way, if things do escalate with banning porn - it will have to go through the US Supreme Court.

SuperImp wrote:Yeah, I searched and saw the same image on your other thread from back in March 2024. I guess it'll be a while.

Edited that OP after I scouted Florencia in Sept. I hope I can start shooting in January, thus it wont be that long. But if I cant I'll get her to Brasil for porn and gather some agents fee to finance further field fact finding. So far she just does private meetings.

As for Trump immigration will get tougher I'm almost sure of that.
US biz imploded by their own faults I'd reckon. It happened when Trump was president, but it wasnt his acting at all. I personally don't expect direct biz changes, but Project 2025 would be completely crazy ofc.

add: As for Florencia booking slot is fixed and DAP fee set up already.
I'm pretty positive about her and others, but I still need some more details sorted out. Export option to Brazil is really just plan B I wouldn't wanna opt for.


Btw, we have 2 actresses called Trump and 5 called Harris on LP!

ArcanaCaelestia wrote:It is interesting that you brought this up. I personally believe that Trump presidency in 2016 was one of the main reasons that killed american porn (it was probably unavoidable in a long run despite election). Studios and performers took a moral posturing that was more alligned with progressive politics (stopped shooting hard scenes, stopped giving work to good looking models (body positivity), started to weed "bad" actors/producers out). As for this election i don't think it will change anything in the US. Their professional porn industry is dead already.

i don't know what kind of effect could have Trump in porn, we'll see what kind of economic politics established but in the last 4 years their opposite political rival has been ruling and i didn't see a remarkable in promote porn.. In fact i would say that the most conservature people, who vote trump, is more accurate in porn consumption than the democratics. Porn is a tabboo but moves a lot of money.

Anyway the whole economies in the world had a repercusion with this elections, will see here how is going with the prices.

Hopefully Trump's wife will want him to watch more porn (so that he can criticize how bad it is). He said so in an interview. Probably why he won the Presidential erection. So get cracking....

Biden, following in Obama’s footsteps, has actually done a lot to impact the porn industry indirectly. By backing the war in Ukraine and pushing Russia to team up with China for an alternative to the Petro dollar, U.S. sanctions don’t hit as hard for about three-quarters of the world anymore. We won’t feel it all right away, but in time, it could mean more economic struggles in the U.S.—more people on Fentanyl, more homelessness, fewer opportunities thanks to increased immigration, and as a result, potentially more women turning to the porn industry for income.

Trump, on the other hand, could change this. If he cuts down on regulations for U.S. oil, there could be a short-term boost in prosperity, which would mean fewer people needing to rely on industries like porn to get by.

But it’s not all bad news. Wall Street, under Biden, has been holding together an economic bubble, which could pop right when Trump takes over again, setting off a big recession. If that happens, it might actually create a surge in porn as people scramble for income during tough times.

There’s also Europe to think about. Biden’s role in the Nord Stream pipeline issue, combined with the Ukraine conflict, has cut off cheaper energy options for Europe, making them more dependent on U.S. oil. Strong economies like Germany will start to feel that pinch soon, and it could lead to more European women turning to porn as well.

So, yeah, in some ways, Biden has indirectly supported the porn industry more than Trump. If Harris were president, it would probably just continue what Biden’s been doing—big corporations like BlackRock and Vanguard trying to get into Russia’s resources, hoping for a weakened Kremlin. But with Trump, Musk, and maybe Kennedy around, those plans are now up in the air.

It is because of that kid from the BlackRock commercial who messed up his job that things can be different now. He might’ve just changed the whole course of history more than we can ever dream to realize by failing that shot. We’re in a completely different timeline because of it—a bigger shift than even COVID could pull off.

YuriyProneBone wrote:Biden, following in Obama’s footsteps, has actually done a lot to impact the porn industry indirectly. By backing the war in Ukraine and pushing Russia to team up with China for an alternative to the Petro dollar, U.S. sanctions don’t hit as hard for about three-quarters of the world anymore. We won’t feel it all right away, but in time, it could mean more economic struggles in the U.S.—more people on Fentanyl, more homelessness, fewer opportunities thanks to increased immigration, and as a result, potentially more women turning to the porn industry for income.

Trump, on the other hand, could change this. If he cuts down on regulations for U.S. oil, there could be a short-term boost in prosperity, which would mean fewer people needing to rely on industries like porn to get by.

But it’s not all bad news. Wall Street, under Biden, has been holding together an economic bubble, which could pop right when Trump takes over again, setting off a big recession. If that happens, it might actually create a surge in porn as people scramble for income during tough times.

There’s also Europe to think about. Biden’s role in the Nord Stream pipeline issue, combined with the Ukraine conflict, has cut off cheaper energy options for Europe, making them more dependent on U.S. oil. Strong economies like Germany will start to feel that pinch soon, and it could lead to more European women turning to porn as well.

So, yeah, in some ways, Biden has indirectly supported the porn industry more than Trump. If Harris were president, it would probably just continue what Biden’s been doing—big corporations like BlackRock and Vanguard trying to get into Russia’s resources, hoping for a weakened Kremlin. But with Trump, Musk, and maybe Kennedy around, those plans are now up in the air.

It is because of that kid from the BlackRock commercial who messed up his job that things can be different now. He might’ve just changed the whole course of history more than we can ever dream to realize by failing that shot. We’re in a completely different timeline because of it—a bigger shift than even COVID could pull off.

Wishful, naive thinking. European Union will move more towards suffocating income equality, socialism, and progressive politics. Meaning that there will neither be need for women to do porn or if they decide to they will be crushed by taxes. Porn happens because of economic freedom, not because of regulations. More so your fentanyl junkies in USA made zero porn compared to the 1990s/2000s and even 2010s.

if people want to understand how the Trump presidency could (based on reasonable evidenced deduction) impact upon the xxx industry (models pro and amateur, producers, consumers) a good place to start is to look at the history and agenda of The Heritage Foundation (big backers and funders of team trump and support base behind those most intolerant members of the GOP)

these are the people behind the infamous Project 2025, which is only the most recent manifestation of a broader movement or coalition that goes back to the 1970s and came to hold huge influence in the 1980s as funders/backers of the Reagan presidency under the umbrella term 'the moral majority' (and later the Bush presidencies)
among this group and their supporters within wider society there seems to be a particularly ugly and vocal mix of evangelicals, pointy-headed white supremacists, radical bible-thumping 'patriots', gun freedom maximalists (assault rifles for everyone), pro-war pro-interventionists, and the like

whether or members here distance themselves or align themselves with any of those positions is their own business (and something they can debate at length on politcal forums and social medias suited to that)
but the reason i raise this group, or grouping, relates only to the question posed by the thread title and OP
once people know and understand something about who The Heritage Foundation are, their policies, their history (in various manifestations and under various names), their influence on policy and the social climate of the times in which their influence held most sway, then it should become obvious they are not (by any stretch of the imagination) a pro-xxx or pro freedom of expression force

Foreword to Project 2025

"Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered."

Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts

https://www.thenation.com/article/polit ... ject-2025/

and finally, yes, many (if not all) of those who belong to this broad intolerant collective will often claim to be 'pro freedom of expression', but when you dig down into what they actually mean by that, it quickly becomes clear that they are actually only pro 'their idea of freedom of expression' and therefore any ideas that other people in society may have about what freedom of expression means are not allowed (so at the final count their 'pro freedom of expression' position revals itself to be no more than fascism in denial)

anyway, read the article, check out the links, do your own research, but this is something that could play a very big part in the form of any major US policy changes being made that affect the world of xxx in the years to come

perhaps this time his phrase will be

'they let you fuck'em in the ass'

Wouldn't expect much of a noticeable change tbh, US studio porn has been struggling for a number of years for the same reasons Euro porn has. That said, one thing his last presidency resulted in was one of my favorite scenes of all time, Make America Gape Again from hardcoregangbang back when Kink was putting out some really good stuff. Damn I miss Ella Nova. So look on the bright side, there might be inspiration for more great content...

latina-girls-yes wrote:these are the people behind the infamous Project 2025, which is only the most recent manifestation of a broader movement or coalition that goes back to the 1970s and came to hold huge influence in the 1980s as funders/backers of the Reagan presidency under the umbrella term 'the moral majority' (and later the Bush presidencies)
among this group and their supporters within wider society there seems to be a particularly ugly and vocal mix of evangelicals, pointy-headed white supremacists, radical bible-thumping 'patriots', gun freedom maximalists (assault rifles for everyone), pro-war pro-interventionists, and the like

This is just some kind of propaganda.

latina-girls-yes wrote:Foreword to Project 2025

"Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered."

Is there anything about LGBT there? I really wish Trump would ban this crap.[/quote]

latina-girls-yes wrote:and finally, yes, many (if not all) of those who belong to this broad intolerant collective will often claim to be 'pro freedom of expression', but when you dig down into what they actually mean by that, it quickly becomes clear that they are actually only pro 'their idea of freedom of expression' and therefore any ideas that other people in society may have about what freedom of expression means are not allowed (so at the final count their 'pro freedom of expression' position revals itself to be no more than fascism in denial)

This is more typical of leftists.They are the ones who like to talk about "freedom of speech", but in reality they have established the most severe censorship.And it is the left and feminists who pose the real threat to porn.

ArcanaCaelestia wrote:Wishful, naive thinking. European Union will move more towards suffocating income equality, socialism, and progressive politics. Meaning that there will neither be need for women to do porn or if they decide to they will be crushed by taxes. Porn happens because of economic freedom, not because of regulations. More so your fentanyl junkies in USA made zero porn compared to the 1990s/2000s and even 2010s.

To be fair to you, irony is hard to convey through text.

[quote="dap-addict"]GIO warned recently that porn scenes will get more expensive because talent pool is getting smaller due to OF earning options for the girls. Thats a general trend. But add Trumps victory and what turns out for porn?


Florencia looks very interesting! Could you possibly share more of her body? I’m already sold on her face

Presumably the biggest impact will be the end of the war in Ukraine - Putin is already doing a victory dance now that Trump has won. Whether this means Russian porn (and import girls) will go back to previous levels remains to be seen.

I just hope that Trump keeps his promise to restore peace, and to end the war between Russia and Ukraine.

xxxVIPERxxx wrote:I just hope that Trump keeps his promise to restore peace, and to end the war between Russia and Ukraine.

I also hope president Trump succeed ending this war. Hopefully people like Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, etc... won't be part of his new administration.

For all of this "banning porn" talk - I don't think you folks realize how absolutely grateful the U.S. government is that porn is as abundant as it is right now.

What used to be a race divide in America has become a class divide and a gender divide. Women and men don't like each other much anymore in the States, and to be fair, anywhere in the Western world.

It used to be that feminism was for the equality of women, but that has morphed (as all movements do) to the extreme to justify it's own existence after the original goal was more or less met. With the institutional capture of corporations and, especially, education systems in the West by the far, far left, most girl's leaving any kind of public education institution are absolute fucking freaks. Mentally unstable - ideologically brainwashed - and completely loathing of traditional peoples/concepts/and at the same time, themselves..

They would rather, and now increasingly do, sleep with a dog than with a man.

Not on a wide scale - but it's already been hinted at, reported, and referenced slyly that this is what's going on.

Men on the other hand have increasingly, whether voluntarily or not, embraced the MGTOW movement (Men Going Their Own Way). The reports of young men not having sex in the past year have skyrocketed in the States (and likewise all Western and Eastern countries that embrace the Western lifestyle). Now, typically, what happens when you get a large portion of sexless young men?

Trouble.

But - with many of these fine lads having an X-Box, a big bag of weed, and an Internet connection that brings them to analvids.com - that anger, while still palpable, is no longer simmering on, "Let's burn something down," levels.

Western governments know this.

There's a small piece of stable wood keeping all the grenades tightly packed into the box.

No government in their right mind would remove that piece of small wood (that entendre was a double).

hyapet wrote:With the institutional capture of corporations and, especially, education systems in the West by the far, far left, most girl's leaving any kind of public education institution are absolute fucking freaks. Mentally unstable - ideologically brainwashed - and completely loathing of traditional peoples/concepts/and at the same time, themselves..

Calling social democrats and left liberals the "far far left" is about as disingenuous as calling conservatives fascists. It's kind of interesting that liberals and conservatives mirror each other so much in espousing this rhetoric while they're both just bitching around and emphasising to no end irrelevant cultural issues that are by no means fundamentally altering society at its core, that is how production is organised, and as such obviously not radical but just more window dressing.

Like, why resort to that terminology in the first place, you can still hate or criticise liberals or conservatives all you want without using these emotional and non-facual terms like fascists or far far left respectively.

Didn't he say no politics? That includes going off on both incel and marxist tangents. It's a porn forum.

Anselm_Weinberg wrote:Calling social democrats and left liberals the "far far left" is about as disingenuous as calling conservatives fascists. It's kind of interesting that liberals and conservatives mirror each other so much in espousing this rhetoric while they're both just bitching around and emphasising to no end irrelevant cultural issues that are by no means fundamentally altering society at its core, that is how production is organised, and as such obviously not radical but just more window dressing.

Like, why resort to that terminology in the first place, you can still hate or criticise liberals or conservatives all you want without using these emotional and non-facual terms like fascists or far far left respectively.

There does indeed exist instances where the extremes actually do come into play. Reality isn't clean cut in the sense that "both extreme ends of the spectrum" don't come into play. It, always everything usually does, typically reflects power.

Are calling the conservatives "fascists" incorrect? By and large - yes. But - there are undoubtedly people who voted conservative who were indeed neo-nazis. The only difference is - these neo-nazis aren't in control of the education system - for the express purpose of subverting it to their ends. They have no power.

Whereas the left has indeed enjoyed such power - for a long time too, I might add. It might be cute to say something along the lines of, "Well, all the media channels in the States just happened to really dislike Trump, and spread outright falsehoods about him, and pretty much drone on day and night on how him getting elected would effectively mean the end of the World. But that was just a coincidence, right?"

And it's like ... no ... not really.

Likewise, when an entire ecosystem, such as the educational institutions all happen to say the exact same thing as if they all got, literally, the same bulletin, and those points include:

- men are inherently evil,
- there being more than two genders,
- sexual liberation and experimentation is essential to claiming your freedom,
- all traditional structures of society, including the very nature of society itself, are evil and corrupt
- LGBTQ is to be praised as being superior, more enlightened and morally correct than heterosexuality

Then - guess what! You get a situation that looks very much like what you see throughout the Western World right now. Where the foot-solders who drank the cool-aid are, in no short surprise, the dumbest of everyone out there. As they didn't seem to have the faculties to question what they were being told, or even to raise an eyebrow that literally everyone was telling it to them.

Just as if the far-right were in power - and suddenly you had people marching down the halls sticking their arms out - then that would be a gigantic problem as well.

The only difference between the two scenarios is power.

And to say that what is being witnessed, recorded, and shared billions of times over all of social media networks isn't happening because, oh boy, that might classify a group of people as they have willingly already classified themselves, is to ignore the very basis of reality.

And when that reality pertains to the consumption and production of porn - then, I hate to say it to you - but it's 100% on point and deserves to be mentioned in the topic.

Yes, the liberal left has a hegemony over the media in the US at the moment and this may or may not change in the foreseeable future. Though even then some media channels may not even be necessarily be either liberal-aligned or left but represent the interestests of other subsections of the bourgeoisie whose interestests don't tend to align with Trump's protectionist policies, regardless of worldview issues.

There were times when it swayed in the other direction and surely you didn't find any conservatives complaining then nor would any claims that it was really neo-nazis who were in control because (some of them) may share some sympathy with certain conservative positions and have therefore extended their critical support to conservatives have been substantiated at the time.

There may exist some people who I would call "radlibs" that may appropriate some superficial language or distorted concepts from radical movements. But genuine radical movements (self-proclaimed or otherwise) don't exert any genuine social power over US nay any Western society at the moment, no matter if or to whom some of these grouplets may extend their support at any given time.

I the end really neither fascists nor the radical left hold any substantial power in the US, especially not state power.

There are several feminism organizations that are actually looking to ban porn, with Trump they at least will lose public funds by the hand of Elon Musk, who is going to work on optimize the public spending in the same fashion he did with ex-twitt3r (he actually removed all the social media activism and censorship) and with the help of Javier Milei. So i really think that the effects are going to be positive. Democrats are more pro China - Russia in the sense of economic central planification, and as you may know, porn is illegal in those countries as they don't allow freedom of speech, also Trump likes golden showers, so i just see that everything is going to be better.

Anselm_Weinberg wrote:Yes, the liberal left has a hegemony over the media in the US at the moment and this may or may not change in the foreseeable future. Though even then some media channels may not even be necessarily be either liberal-aligned or left but represent the interestests of other subsections of the bourgeoisie whose interestests don't tend to align with Trump's protectionist policies, regardless of worldview issues.

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There may exist some people who I would call "radlibs" that may appropriate some superficial language or distorted concepts from radical movements. But genuine radical movements (self-proclaimed or otherwise) don't exert any genuine social power over US nay any Western society at the moment, no matter if or to whom some of these grouplets may extend their support at any given time.

I the end really neither fascists nor the radical left hold any substantial power in the US, especially not state power.

Then you really haven't been paying attention to what's going on.

The subversion of the institutions (institutional capture) has been going on since the 70's and 80's - but realistically, it started already in the 60's with it's roots in the 50's. You know how divorce proceedings always tend to favor women - from who gets to keep the children to who has to pay whom and how much? Also with regards to "no fault divorce" - where the woman can essentially say, "I just feel like getting divorced today, and no, my man didn't abuse me, or mistreat me, or do anything wrong," and then she walks away with all of his shit.

You know what you call that? The institutional capture of the courts by the rad-libs. Do you think there might have been a reason they went after Trump, trying everything in their power to get him arrested and put in jail, when in reality what he did (in most cases) was the very same thing that tons of democrats did themselves, just that they, for some odd reason, never got put on trial for it?

You know - jailing your political opponents - that's the shit dictators do. Which is how far the institutional capture has gone - in that the very institutions themselves are seen as nothing more than the means to whatever ends they desire - rather than being sacred and noble institutions that have their core tenets protected, which would be to stop the very things that they were trying to do.

If that's what they can do to somebody like Trump, who was the literal President, then what do you think they do to normal people? One thing is to tell parents they have no say when their seven year old son suddenly wants to get a fucking sex change. I wonder where he got that idea! Couldn't have been the education system, which has all of these fat, ugly, hair-colored freaks releasing Tik-Tok videos all the time about how they convinced their entire class that they're actually gay. As if that was their proudest moment. As if that was what they were there to do all along. Which, guess what, it was!

But it's not just the States - it's the entire Western fucking World. In Canada - if somebody thinks you're being racist, meaning, you didn't even have to say an actual word to them, you can get thrown in jail. Or, how about Britain, where posting a meme on Facebook that questions the reasoning of letting in waves of immigration gets you five years in jail? Or Germany - where the eleven afghans who r*ped a girl they intoxicated in the park all got a slap on the wrist and were let go back onto the streets - but the friend of that girl who called the rapists a bad name got thrown in jail.

This is the fucking shit that liberals stand for these days. The very antithesis of democracy (which they openly hate), free-speech, and rule of law. This is what America spawned - and likewise - spread to the rest of the Western world. So effective, in fact, that it even spread to Asia, where they openly try to keep themselves as separated as possible from American culture.

So - no - these aren't "radical liberals" anymore. They're actual liberals. If these were some clowns on the sidelines that said the stupidest shit - but, everyone else in power actively ignored - then, yeah, they wouldn't be impacting the overall state of things. But their ideologies are effectively running every institution and every department out there. The US fucking Army hosts drag shows to entice people to sign up for recruitment. Fucking clown world shit if there ever was any.

Just like how when Germany was getting bombed in the Second World War - not every German believed in the Wehrmacht and racial superiority and sticking their hand out - but, when they allowed those people to effectively become the government and write all the rules, then they got bombed too.

I understand that not every liberal thinks like this - but when the people who write the laws and make the rules and call the shots do - then it doesn't matter what the moderate liberal thinks anymore - because they don't have any power.

When it comes to porn - there's a reason up to a million American girls spend their days sticking a gigantic dildo up their ass in front of a camera - thereby ruining their chances of any serious/capable man starting a family with them ("Hey kids, let's see what Mom was doing back in the day!") There's a reason they hate men - hate the democratic government - and would rather spend time 1 on 1 with a bear in the woods than with a guy.

And it's these people - these absolute fucking morons - who in their collective power did far more damage (with OF) to the adult entertainment industry than any politician ever could.

If anyone here thinks Trump is going to do one thing or another with the adult entertainment industry - he's got bigger fish to fry. If he were smart, however, and wanted to strike at the heart of the poison that's pretty much destroying an entire generation of young girls, he would ban a website. He would ban OF. And who knows - one day - he just might.

The folks here though, arguing whether or not Trump would destroy the porn industry. You've missed the point.

The far left already has.

If you use far left as being synonymous with the left wing of capital, that is openly or not, social democrats or left liberals you can throw at them whatever you like, frankly I don't care.

Actual Marxists do not care to subvert the state because they don't believe that their goals can be achieved within the current bourgeois state and while some self-proclaimed Marxists may attempt to do so anyway, it is as a rule they who get subverted and reformed, not the other way around.

Let's even take Italy, in the post-war decades the official Communist Party was one of the biggest political forces in the country, which was both made possible and could only be sustained by the fact that they became de facto social democrats. At no time was there any danger that the Italian state could be destroyed or anything like that.

I am telling you your paranoia is unfounded, democracy will survive whatever some reformist leftists throw at it. And we're talking about US liberals, who are by current and historical standards not even social democrats.

Also, Marxists don't care to use the current state to enforce the "correct" opinion or some such. They also don't care whether you live a traditional life for they're neither moralistic nor idealists who believe that "tradition" can be overcome by voluntarism but would hold that the underlying "economic" foundations is what give birth to these social relations and that they neither should nor can be abolished by decree but will vanish on their own once these foundations are overcome.

I also think it's a travesty that women tend to get custody, though interestingly that has its origins within patriarchy and the division of labour of the sexes that holds that women "by nature" more inclined to be child rearing than men. I am by the way not even saying patriarchy as a whole is something that still exists.

With all due respect, I haven't really missed the point anymore than you have with most of the arguments being based on speculation or conspiracy theories and therefore of as little practical value as it relates to porn as my post.

Who said anything about Marxists?

Ideologies have time lines and best before dates. Marx could never have predicted that the majority of young people living in the West would have very little furniture, next to no possessions, and spend their days in an imaginary realm talking to one another in such a manner that it leaves no real footprint in the World (no letters - no notes - no nothing).

Marxism is about the supposed redistribution of capital to the ordinary man as a means to actually capture that wealth and hold it as a dictatorship for the self. At least that's what it amounted to. But capital, outside of acquiring what's necessary to survive and affording an Internet connection, doesn't matter as much as projecting an image towards an audience that could very well be (and often is) completely ethereal.

Add to this - capital is no longer really held by nations - so much as they hold the rights to the natural resources in the ground and can tax the people living on that ground. Rather, it's corporations now that hold true power. If you look at all the coups and failed governments in South America - was it really the governments and the people who rebelled - or was it the American corporations that wanted cheap bananas? Same goes for the Middle East and oil. Africa and diamonds, and now the materials needed to make smart phones.

Thinking nations are actually in power is foolhardy 20th century thinking. And it was already outdated then. It was still just a tad easier to believe, though.

Trump was the first politician ever to address this. He stated that corporations have too much power - called the deep state by name - and listed off all the "usual ways thing run" that are completely contrary to the American public's best interest. You know - the voter? Everyone who doesn't own a corporation or be privileged enough to be allowed a spot at one of it's suckles.

To think ideologies still have any bearing on the world at large is to be truly oblivious to where the power has actually gone. A corporate pyramid scheme that, like all true echelons of real power, continuously collect more wealth using a system that, by it's very nature, funnels money forever upwards. Or, do you think all the corporations buying each other out was just a happy accident? All by design.

As were the structures of social power and cohesion that have done nothing but limit and restrict the freedoms that were attained when the last monarchial (re: dictatorial) power structure was thrown out a few hundred years ago. Or, should this too be just another coincidence? That the very ones siphoning the wealth away from everyone are just conditioning them, by accident (right?), to follow a new set of rules of what they are both allowed and not allowed to say, putting to the grave the idea (in the process) that free speech is indeed a right.

All the while pornography has transformed from this thing creeps, weirdos, and losers look at - to the actual replacement of the opposite gender for everybody. Again - just by accident, right? No form of greater societal control and conditioning, whereby a lower standard of living every five years, and the normalization of the unthinkable, gets forced upon all populations in all countries simultaneously?

Just a big coincidence.

Making connections where there isn't already a gigantic fucking arrow pointing A to B seems to deem one a "conspiracy theorist" by your standards. But, your standards hold onto learned notions of what things are, not allowing you to recognize that when the foundations of what made those things exist in the first place shift, their relevance and importance shifts as well.

If Marxism mattered at all - then the countries that all call themselves "communist" - wouldn't all be playing the corporate money game. That's where the power is. That's what dictates the societal norms. That's what determines everything from what artist you're going to listen to next to how much smaller the bread loaf is going to be in two years time at the store.

Which includes the porn you watch.

Or do you think it's just by coincidence that the porn you watch has transformed from mega-style productions meant to tickle all the fantasy sensors in your brain (the lush mansions the shoots take place in - the non-sensical stories where some 18 year old teenage girl suddenly shows interest in some 45 year old ogre) - to the actual representation of basic reality (just a girl in her room getting naked).

Almost as if it was meant to replace something ...

Whoops! Original thought there.

Wouldn't want to be a conspiracy theorist now, would we ...

Marxism is not about redistribution but about overcoming capital as such, that is money, commodity production, law of value and wage labour. The mode of production is what Marxists seek to change, not the means of distribution, even the term redistribution implies that there is still capitalism in order for there to be something to be re-distributed which in a society that knows of no ownership of property is an oxymoron. Reformist leftists may advocate for such schemes, and it's frankly a ridiculous notion to begin with.

Globalisation is irreversible and national capital thrives on expansion and tapping new markets abroad and this growth and expansion goes hand in hand with increasing centralisation and concentration and single nation states cannot survive in isolation any longer but have to partake in this madness that is inter-imperialist competition or else they go under.

Obviously a strong dominant player such as the US can afford a measure of dictating the terms and effectively employ protectionist measures towards that goal as well, but that doesn't negate the fact that this always takes place at the expense of other nations within global competition. Just as for example Germany thrives on dictating terms within the EU to retain its trade surplus, imperialism at its finest.

Coporations are in a way a necessary coping mechanism resulting from the inevitably increasingly higher concentration of capital that is itself a natural outgrowth and not a deviation of capitalist development.

For example the notion of there being a society of independent or small producers freely interacting amongst themselves on an idealised type of perfect free market isn't realistic in this day and age and arguably even a step back from all the progress and development that has only become possible because of this increasing amount of concentration. How else do you want to organise a highly connected interdependent society in this day and age?

You also have the leftist version of this and the pipe dream about returning to the glorious welfare state which has become an impossibility for very similar reasons. I mean what gets called neoliberalism all too often gets ascribed to certain politicians making the wrong choices when it is a result of the falling rate of profits that made the welfare state non-sustainable. There's no going back to it.

You're correct Marx couldn't have predicted some of today's marvels but that's not really relevant in respects to whether his critique of political economy remains valid and capitalism hasn't really changed to such an extent that that weren't the case.

The state necessarily has as its main goal the provision if the best conditions to ensure a smooth functioning of the process of capital accumulation in addition negotiating contradicting interests that necessarily arise out of this arrangement.

Yes, there ideologies really do not matter, because no matter who takes state power will have to oblige and submit themselves to this necessity which in the day of global monopolistic capitalism also means ensuring terms favourable to these mega corporations you so much detest.

Obviously as you mentioned this includes self-proclaimed Communist countries since Communism cannot possibly be viable in isolated countries that depend on the world market for survival and even worse, historically most supposed or genuine Communist revolutions took place in underdeveloped agrarian countries, which is why incidentally even Lenin predicted that without the success of revolution on an international scale Russia would inevitably degenerate and revert to being a normal capitalist state.

Though even in Soviet Russia which was a workers' state at this time the mode of production remained by necessity capitalist. Marxists don't hold that capitalism can be overcome without having a sufficiently developed industrial society in the first place, while all so-called Communist states in history were backward countries that had no chance to ever build an alternative to begin with after the initial failure of the international revolution in the developed West in the aftermath of the October revolution.

Nothing is a coincidence but there's no conscious master plan at work, no cabal of bad people poisoning the well. Capital is the true master and submits everyone, even capitalists themselves who have to work hard and be innovative, economical and work against tough competition and constantly be in fear being put out of business.

I feel the need to point out that I certainly feel no personal animosity towards anyone, whatever class it is they belong to. It's the system, not the people just making the best out of the opportunities they are presented with and do what they have to do to survive in this system that deserves to be criticised.

Sometimes it would be nice if conspiracy theories were true because at least that would imply that genuine control is possible and if only the good guys were in control things may change for the better when in fact disorder is sadly the inherent reality of this and potentially the undoing of humanity.

By the way, many of the things you describe I agree with but the part where it enters conspiracy theory area is where you place the underlying causes, for example when you claim there is some greater master plan of social conditioning that is consciously engineered to make us all more subservient.

Mind you control is extremely important but you don't need this unworkable elaborate mega conspiracy for achieving that because the ideology that already permeates our very lives requires no conscious brainwashing and is already sufficient to make us act against our best interests without someone having to consciously pull the strings.

hyapet wrote:If he were smart, however, and wanted to strike at the heart of the poison that's pretty much destroying an entire generation of young girls, he would ban a website. He would ban OF. And who knows - one day - he just might.

Crazy take, for a number of reasons, which I suspect is rooted in your dislike of the affect it's had on mainstream porn?

jjwhite1985 wrote:Crazy take, for a number of reasons, which I suspect is rooted in your dislike of the affect it's had on mainstream porn?

I'm in a spot where seemingly obvious contradictions both hold true at the same time with regards to my outlook.

I think porn itself is very damaging to the girls/women who perform in it. It may seem like an adventure in the earlier years - but just like a warrior who puts on his armor with fantasies of treasure and ancient lands scouring through his mind - he probably isn't factoring in that he might return home in three years time dirt poor and missing his hand. The psychological terror (a heavy term, I admit) that many of these scenes or types of scenes inflict upon the girls performing them can only be done with a heavy dose of trauma, or with a heavy dose of pre-existing trauma.

That's not to make the entire industry out to be a gigantic monster - but, on a more innocent and virtuous side (which all humans have), it trades in something that cannot be traded back. Walking through the town-square naked leaves its marks - on the honor, self-worth, and self-image a lot of these girls (and guys) have. They might play it off like something that doesn't concern them - or that doesn't matter - but in order to have that very attitude in and of itself, you will already have had to been impacted by the actions you've taken.

This being the case - in the World, as it were, there are lots of lonely people who, despite all the struggles they have to deal with in every day life, understandably choose not to have the heaviest pair of balls invading their mind every minute with thoughts of sex. If they cannot acquire the thing which they desire - at least it would help not to have to think about it all the time. Even if that action in and of itself "is a sin" - with all the other weights being held by these folks - it can be argued that some relief is not something one can throw their hands up in the air about and exclaim, "How could you?!"

That being the case - there seems to be a middle-ground that can be reached - between the number of performers who engage in sexual acts on screens (thereby limiting and ruining all future chances of healthy marriage or normal relationships) - and the people who watch these screens to relieve themselves from their realities. And the traditional porn industry had those performers. Thousands of them. They were beautiful. Did an absolutely bang up job. And often become extremely wealthy in the process. It was an acceptable balance.

With OF - however - that balance got destroyed. Now you have millions of girls ruining their potential futures - often the most beautiful ones (which will be a major detriment to all of future society) for the price of ... no, many of them cannot even make rent off of it. It's also, on a national level, degraded the sanctity and value of women as the number of these performers is so great that, anybody you look at, there's literally like a one in ten chance that they sell their bodies for money.

I don't know about you - but I wouldn't want people to have the absolutely valid mental justification for thinking I'm a whore just because of my gender. But ... with the number of these girls that have sprung into this ... it's changed the very fabric of what femininity itself is. No longer is a tiny handful of performers out of hundreds of millions of people. Now it's millions of performers out of hundreds of millions of people - and most of them have traded their lifetime purity - for what often amounts to a couple months rent or a few trips to McDonalds. Absolutely saddening.

So, yeah. OF is a fucking cancer. On all of society.

It killed many of my favorite studios as well.

[quote="Anselm_Weinberg"]By the way, many of the things you describe I agree with but the part where it enters conspiracy theory area is where you place the underlying causes, for example when you claim there is some greater master plan of social conditioning that is consciously engineered to make us all more subservient.

Mind you control is extremely important but you don't need this unworkable elaborate mega conspiracy for achieving that because the ideology that already permeates our very lives requires no conscious brainwashing and is already sufficient to make us act against our best interests without someone having to consciously pull the strings.[/quote

Well ... we're presented with two options ... alongside a few observations of the parameters of what constitutes these "conspiracy theory" observances.

The two options are a choice. You can either see a gigantic network of non-declared power that simultaneously makes non-sensical decisions in an obviously very determined fashion as being completely coincidental - or you can suppose there's something more to it that you haven't either seen or figured out yet.

I dunno ... when you see three different news networks in America, Germany, and Australia all report a fabricated truth with the same language and emphasis ... it's not so much the fact that the thing they're saying might not be true ... it's the fact that such an apparatus was installed in the first place.

We must also remember - just because somebody is successful in hiding themselves - doesn't in fact mean they don't exist.

Why would a group of hidden individuals take over the entirety of the planet's governance? Ask yourself - what actual reason would there be in that? The global capitalistic system, for better or worse, advertises itself as a means to survival. The purpose of the system, according to the system, is for everyone to eventually get enough stuff where they can live a comfortable life in the search of their own goals and meaning.

Sounds wonderful. So ... why the degradation of the world's leading education system into an indoctrination clinic? Why the simultaneous moves, world-wide, to stifle and seemingly eliminate the Caucasian and Asian races? Why the overabundant production of plastics into everything - when they proven themselves poisonous to us on the very level of survival (lowering our sperm counts)? Why the feminization of pretty much everything and the effective dismantling of traditional masculinity? Why the laser-focused efforts on dismantling the heroes of our history - the heroes in our literature - in our movies - and in our games?

Why would you put hundreds of trillions of dollars towards these objectives?

In a system where capital accumulation is the end goal - are you saying that obviously purposed and laser-focused destruction of the very traditional foundations on which this capital was produced - alongside the spending of gigantic sums of the very capital that everyone is supposed to be busy investing through this process is merely ... coincidental happenstance?

Really?

Granted - because all the puzzle pieces aren't in place yet - it is indeed folly to state that you know what the picture of the puzzle is going to be.

But that doesn't mean there's no reason to put that puzzle together.

It doesn't mean that puzzle doesn't exist.

It doesn't mean that once that puzzle is put together - the picture won't be staring you straight in the face.

...

"Why you looking at the glove so intently, Sherlock?" Watson inquired.

"The stitching is off - obviously because a thread had been pulled - but considering the temperature outside, the only time in which these gloves were worn, how was it possible to find the precision needed to perform such an action when doing so would freeze the fingers almost immediately. And outside of even that - what would the purpose of that be?" Sherlock Holmes questioned.

"Pssshhh," replied Watson, "Conspiracy theorist."

hyapet wrote:I wouldn't want people to have the absolutely valid mental justification for thinking I'm a whore just because of my gender.

OF has about 2 million creators, the vast majority are US women between 18-45, of which there are 1.4m creators. If you're thinking of all women as whores based on 2% of 18-45 women having an OF, then that is very much a you problem.

hyapet wrote:Now you have millions of girls ruining their potential futures - often the most beautiful ones (which will be a major detriment to all of future society)... It's also, on a national level, degraded the sanctity and value of women

a heartfelt appeal against 'moral degeneracy in our time' from the pulpit, no doubt. but one that loses all of its effect when made by a porn consumer on an anal porn (often with a side-helping of piss) forum

i accept that you stated at the top of your post that you felt contricted in your views on the subject of OF v AVLP, but i really don't think you can separate out OF models from AVLP models as you are trying to do (presenting one as a destructive force in society and the other as a benign force). they both exist and function on exactly the same moral scale (to different extents). this continuum evidenced by the fact that many AVLP models use both platforms

fwiw (like you) i think OF is by and large a junk xxx platform, and it's obvious that it has had a profoundly negative effect on the abilty of large scale xxx production companies to function. but trying to turn that personal preference and business reality into grounds for a moral crusade falls flat, and also risks wandering into casually (if accidentally) insulting performers on this site who use the site. which i think most members here will agree is negative behaviour

but to bring things back to topic, do you have any opinions on the subject of Project 2025 (in particular the section of their manifest that refers to the banning of pornography and their opinion of those involved in the industry)?

"Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered."
(Kevin Roberts, Heritage Foundation president, Foreword to Project 2025)

“This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America. And that’s coming.”
(Donald Trump at the Heritage Foundation’s annual leadership conference, April 21, 2022)*

“I know nothing about Project 2025. I have not seen it, have no idea who is in charge of it, and, unlike our very well received Republican Platform, had nothing to do with it"
(Donald Trump on Truth Social, July 11, 2024)*

* the above absolutely contradictory positions underscoring the reality is that Trump (just like Musk) is a sociopath in his every act and deed, interested only in increasing his personal power and control over others by any means (wealth being his preferred means to achieve that)
within such a sociopathic mindsets, expressing any opinion on any subject is just a means to achieve those aims

therefore, if he believes can increase his power and control over others by sayong something to one individual or group, he will say it.
and conversely, if he believes can increase his power and control over others by say the exact opposite to another individual or group he will say that too, because a sociopath recognises no truth or reality beyond the all-consuming demands of his ego for ever more power

for which reason (imo) there is very little point in listening to anything he says ever. it's all just noise, smoke and mirrors. a far better index to understand who he is and what he stands for is to ignore everything he says and focus only on his bank account and how much power he has at his disposal at any point in time

TYPO - "i accept that you stated at the top of your post that you felt contradicted in your views"