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I'm afraid we are reaching end of porn sites era rapidly.

(1) No regular updates - ex: Mike Adriano sister sites & FacialAbuse
(2) I see models started offering custom request private scenes. Ex: Rocky Emerson, Kiara Mia
(3) Early retirements - Lana Rhoades, Jynx Maze
(4) Moving away from porn - Lisa Ann, Ava Addams
(5) No extreme scenes with dazzling stars. Ex: Brenna Mckenna refused to shoot with FacialAbuse

kookaburra wrote:(2) I see models started offering custom request private scenes. Ex: Rocky Emerson, Kiara Mia

Maybe its just a side biz not replacing the main performer biz, no?

kookaburra wrote:I'm afraid we are reaching end of porn sites era rapidly.

(1) No regular updates - ex: Mike Adriano sister sites & FacialAbuse
(2) I see models started offering custom request private scenes. Ex: Rocky Emerson, Kiara Mia
(3) Early retirements - Lana Rhoades, Jynx Maze
(4) Moving away from porn - Lisa Ann, Ava Addams
(5) No extreme scenes with dazzling stars. Ex: Brenna Mckenna refused to shoot with FacialAbuse

i disagree

Mike adriano continu to shoot many girls, during covid he had stop shooting like... several months without any scene. and coming back slowly like previously.
Every single models offering custom new, it's part of the biz except for models who want focus on specific content, but nowaday it's a melt of private plateform and porn production.
Lana rhoades and jynx maze are bad exemple, lana rhoades drawn her life stupidly, jynx maze has begun when i was a teenager, we cannot compare them. Lana is a shooting star, jynx was a reference. How many retire for how many introduce in te business and stay ?
Lisa ann and ava addams are old for porn, customer love milf but it's not a sign of death for porn site.
Finally, extreme scenes are the masterpierce of our era, not the end. all content tends progressively towards the extreme because customers seek to push the limits. Possibly it's not the type of brenna and she earn enough money.

I think u are nostalgic of certain model u love like lana, jynx, lisa, ava, brenna... i can advise you to considere to take a step back.

Nothing die, but evolve

best regards

Czech Republic porn did die effectively with ticket prices increases, it was doomed from that moment.

We still have Russian porn and South America, they will last longer.

The only real treat porn has in the future is AI, but that goes for every job.

Not right now, AI is far too primitive to be a threat right now, but it won't stay that way.

YuriyProneBone wrote:Czech Republic porn did die effectively with ticket prices increases, it was doomed from that moment.

We still have Russian porn and South America, they will last longer.

Czech problem was the un-heralded sudden shock price hike by about 35%. They could have phased-in a higher end price, but they did it all over a sudden when based costs started to skyrocket after War stared. Sex act fees in Prague had already gone out of control and sustainability before, during pandemic times.

Russian fees and base costs didnt rise that fast and being lower anyway, studios were not forced to introduce such dramatic sudden price rises. South American sex act fees are luckily much lower and base production costs are so far stable. End product price rise was there, but lower production costs allow to dose and control them.
Luckily sex act fees are much lower than in Prague but still fair and motivating for the girls.

Considering the Giorgio bomb of retiring and the shite sites like OF's where dick heads give silly sums of money to models for doing nothing, I think things have not turned out so bad.

We are still getting some good scenes every week from the guys taking over Giorgio's legacy, things could be a lot worse.

Adriano gets some great women but the amount of lube he uses is just a turn off for me.

Big productions (like I used to run) are not enough profitable anymore to justify their very existence. Its a simple matter of ROI (and I do not mean ROI on a single scene, but ROI on the whole operation). Overall the production cost deosnt matter anymore (and so the payout of the model), because running cost necessary for recruiting are ZERO (recruiting cost can be covered only from big volume of models/shooting)
A small operation (so smaller studios) is more profitable because it has lower running cost and its not necessary a huge volume of girls/shooting, it can basically work on long term with a decent base of established models and a few yearly new faces.

fyi: price of a single scene (to the user), in a market where the number of good new models is decreasing, are destined to increase.

It is the same across the board, even in business, property development, stocks and shares investments etc...the ROI, and overall profitability is taking a significant decrease (mainly based on where I live, and its government I suppose).

However, it will not be the end of porn sites forever.

As Giorgio himself said, up and coming studios, or studios who do things on a smaller scale can still turn a profit and be a worthwhile business.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:fyi: price of a single scene (to the user), in a market where the number of good new models is decreasing, are destined to increase.

Hear hear and get prepared!

I think, ultimately, hardcore sex acts might become much more of a niche market with a few performers who go all-in on it, but more so because that's their kink rather than there being a significant pay-day or recognizability.

OF hurt a lot of things - but, ultimately, I think what's going to have a larger impact on the market is the significant decrease in testosterone that men ... pretty much everywhere ... are experiencing. From the insane amounts of plastic we ingest (which is similar to estrogen) to any meat we may eat (the cows have been fed a steady diet of ... you guessed it, estrogen for milk supply) to the media we consume (all run by women and femininized men) ... to the very nature of our existences (far more of us are stationary for our employment (re: sitting down) than being active, running around, or lifting heavy things).

The modern day "male" (if you can even call them that) would giggle uncontrollably if you showed them a picture of an actual stud - right before putting some make up on and going out for their cinnamon sprinkled, coconut sugar, fat free latte.

If the market for seeing a girl get absolutely pounded still existed, or was growing, there would be a bigger bleed over from OF into said market. The 7's and 8's would eventually (after being unable to distinguish themselves) go more hardcore, followed by the odd 9, and then the eventual 10 to capitalize on a new market space. Yet, there isn't ...

The traditional website based studio may have lost it's appeal due to the social media network nature of OF, but ultimately that wouldn't matter if people wanted the product. They would go to where the goods were. Truth is - if people wanted the product - they would pay the higher prices - so much so, that more expensive (and thus beautiful) models could be acquired for the scenes.

All things considered - AV/PB ain't doing bad at all. The South American studios - alongside the Eastern European studios (and Andrew's been doing some great work if we're being honest) - are making this game look a lot healthier than all of the major blows to the very structure of the entire enterprise (this year) would have suggested it could.

But, overall, I think men in general are becoming a dying breed. At least the traditional dude who just really wants to see a chick get pounded as hard as she possibly can be.

The decline can be witnessed fully from the light end of the spectrum where some dude is absolutely okay for paying some chick outrageous sums of cash for essentially nothing on OF to the heavy end where he's chopping his wienie off. Don't need this anymore, he, she, whatever, it says.

Unfortunately - for the future of this particular portion of the industry - we kind of do need actual guys as customers.

hyapet wrote:OF hurt a lot of things - but, ultimately, I think what's going to have a larger impact on the market is the significant decrease in testosterone that men ... pretty much everywhere ... are experiencing. From the insane amounts of plastic we ingest (which is similar to estrogen) to any meat we may eat (the cows have been fed a steady diet of ... you guessed it, estrogen for milk supply) to the media we consume (all run by women and femininized men) ... to the very nature of our existences (far more of us are stationary for our employment (re: sitting down) than being active, running around, or lifting heavy things).
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Wild conspiracy theory.
Men are becoming feminized not because of milk or meat but because of LGBT propaganda.

OF has changed everything. Performers, without the need for agents or production teams, now have control of their content behind a paywall that has few, if no previews.

They can have an income stream from 23-seconds clip where they merely flash their cunt. Wanna see? Then pay.

It's devalued the quality of the product and production values have been damaged. Content is all, quality has gone out of the window.

Also, paradoxically, too many people just won't pay for their porn. I'm proud that we here do pay.

However, I believe there will always be a place and a market for high-quality productions, especially extreme gangbangs.

Who will create these sort of productions in the future is another question, though.

Sergio8317 wrote:Wild conspiracy theory.
Men are becoming feminized not because of milk or meat but because of LGBT propaganda.

It all ties together.

The LGBTQ propaganda wouldn't have a place if men were a lot more masculine. They would ridicule that stuff out of town. Not only that - but the men being so feminine already from all the estrogen running through their bodies make them a lot more susceptible to the idea. If you're this flimsy, non-muscular, completely soft and tubby young male that hardly ever gets an erection, and you've been told that men are evil and wicked and you find yourself surrounded by tons of media that has all of these "young lost people" suddenly finding "great happiness" by chopping their dicks off - you might figure - "Hey, maybe that's me."

If you don't think the entirety of Western society's food supply is absolutely loaded with estrogen, then ... I don't know what to tell you. Hardly anything that constitutes "highly processed" food has any actual food in it. The stuff in there, though ... I mean ... look at America. There's a reason that 60% of them weigh a literal ton. And if you think that helps you feel like a man - then no, sir - it doesn't.

claudus wrote:However, I believe there will always be a place and a market for high-quality productions, especially extreme gangbangs.

Who will create these sort of productions in the future is another question, though.

"High quality" means absolutely fuck all when it comes to what matters in porn.

You can have the nicest set, the highest quality camera, the best lights, and a full team of editors pulling every trick in the book to make the extreme gangbang look incredible ...

If the girl who's performing in it is this shriveled, completely tattoo'd, triangular plastic tits, scarecrow faced, plastic filled 35 year old, then, guess what ...

Extreme gangbangs are going to become more increasingly and increasingly niche.

claudus wrote:OF has changed everything. Performers, without the need for agents or production teams, now have control of their content behind a paywall that has few, if no previews.

They can have an income stream from 23-seconds clip where they merely flash their cunt. Wanna see? Then pay.

It's devalued the quality of the product...

Yes, indeed, completely devaluated.
On the other hand it's good girls and also studs can control everything themselves, it sets them free!
Finally however true anal gangbang quality cut into 40 to 200min videos will always sell, problem is how to finance it.

dap-addict wrote:On the other hand it's good girls and also studs can control everything themselves, it sets them free!

Yes and no. Mostly no.

Individual performers performing by themselves, no matter how beautiful, will most likely be shooting out of a bedroom. With a stationary camera. That's pretty much a webcam. With terrible lighting.

I just told Claudus that all those things don't make great porn by themselves when the girl is ... " not the prettiest " ( ), but the reverse it also true.

When the girl is an absolute beauty and she decides to do some real hardcore stuff - everything in a bedroom/stationary camera type scenario is going to come off terribly.

It's ironic that the intimacy of the webcam allows for a heightening of the "very vanilla" OF production style. It does lead one to believe in a more intimate setting - where you're not watching the girl get ravaged - you're just ... watching the girl. It's like a whole bunch of things that, by themselves, are 3/10 or 4/10 or 5/10, but when put together, somehow become an 8/10.

But when all those girl's think, "Hey, I can do hardcore anal, too!" And then you watch some greaseball take up 70% of the screen and you barely see the girl's ass for fifteen minutes straight, never mind none of her face, then the whole thing just falls flat on it's face.

No individual performer will ever invest in a studio apartment, expensive shooting equipment, a great camera, and lighting, just so she can sell gangbangs of nothing but herself. People complain here about folks like Alexxxa Vice who shoot like 80 scenes for the site over the course of a couple of years. Imagine that being done over the course of a third to a half of a year. And then the girl having to sell all those videos to ... who? The same customers who've already got seven videos of her doing the exact same thing - in likewise the exact same locale?

What you're going to witness is this - as more hardcore studios close and shutter - the more valuable the remaining few will be. And the more eyes that will naturally be drawn to them. In doing so - even gorgeous girl's on the OF platform, which is plagued with thousands of girl's on their level or beyond, will be looking at ways to differentiate or distinguish themselves.

Those that go to the studios with all the eyeballs already set there - will likewise see a major upswing in their own brand on their own platform. So - the whole thing is probably going to come full circle.

If nothing else - it's most likely great for the gangbang industry as a whole. Because now - all the shittier producers and studios and formats will shrivel and die. Leaving only the best as the survivors. By them being all that exists - they will automatically set the benchmark higher - and in doing so will force innovation and higher quality in the newer entrepreneurs who join the field and who have figured out a way to convince 30 or 40 OF girls to become "part of an outside studio."

Things grow - then shrink - then grow again. Reinventing themselves to stay healthy.

It's never fun in the shrink periods, though. But that starvation, ultimately, is what will make the upcoming feast all the more delicious.

For me as a hardcore fan it is really sad that the bigger porn sites seem to have problems these days. Since I started with porn I have always watched professional porn (never amateur one). The girls are hotter, the sex is better and the production qualities .

I often read that girls are going to OF because they have more control about what they are going to do during a shoot. I understand that the make that choice because porn can be very demanding for them. But for the hardcore porn fans that is bad news. On OF you won't see many anal orgies or anal gangbangs. You never know what the quality is. Are condoms being used in a scene? That is why porn fans like me need professional websites. They have directors who know what the male fans wanna see and exactly shoot that kind of porn. When I subscribe to a porn website, I know what I can expect. On OF it is mostly a guess.