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hyapet wrote:It feels like the page is starting to turn on the beginning of what had to be one of the worst years in Pornbox's and Analvids's entire history as an organization/collective. The amount of damage that was done, alongside the amount of things that weren't stopped/paid attention to prior the correcting of the ship's course, was absolutely megalithic.

dap-addict wrote:I just wonder why this could even happen?
I mean we know the OFy discussion and the talent pool scouting problems, but on top of that Pornbox just fucked off landing page, the deleting problem, the earlier price rises, the bit rate reduction etc.
It looks like they did everything to harm their own business. But why?

justinwarren41 wrote:Yes Industry in flux and 2024 is no exception. You mentioned US studios, there's not much left. Sadly if an american pornstar doesn't come to Prague I have no idea who they are (Thank you Kaitlyn Katsaros, Avery Jane) But yes you have to give credit where it is due to navigate. A year ago, Yummy was all but dead. Gonzo and Latin Teen Productions appear to be gone forever. Yet there's still great porn coming out. Still some unknowns on the horizon, GIO's departure first and foremost and AGO separating from analvids/LP slowly but I'm happen with what we are getting at the moment.

hjohjole wrote:They listened alright... To all the wrong people and all the bad advice.

As a result we now have multiple Euro studios that are all competing with each other over who can make the trashiest looking scene with the trashiest looking model. And we have a customer base full of people who buys thees scenes and supports the studios.
And at the same thees people with very bad taste also spam the forum with bullish posts about how OF is to blame for all of this.

The main issue right now is that there exists a topic in this forum titled "Alexxa Vice" and that topic have 108 fucking pages. This place is a cesspool right now. And this could have very easily have been avoided with just some basic top level quality control.

jjwhite1985 wrote:Let me guess, the problem has nothing to do with competing platforms.

jjwhite1985 wrote: this, by definition, is not a problem. It is *good* for the studios that this happens.

jjwhite1985 wrote: And the fact that one of the most popular pornstars around is also popular at LP

hjohjole wrote:Good guess. I literally mentioned nothing about competing platforms in my post.

hjohjole wrote:My point was that garbage does not belong here because it is not good for all the porn consumers who dont like trash.

hjohjole wrote:This is without a doubt the most delusional insane thing i have ever read on this forum.

jjwhite1985 wrote:Ah, I must have imagined that you typed this out "spam the forum with bullish posts about how OF is to blame for all of this."

jjwhite1985 wrote:A multi-award winning pornstar with over 250k followers on X apparently does not constitute popularity, according to whatever plane of reality your mind happens to be occupying right now.

hjohjole wrote:OF is not a competing platform. It is a platform for amateur self produced trash. This is platform for high quality high budget studio produced hardcore porn.

hyapet wrote:Earlier in the year, like ... almost nine months ago ... when NRX (permanently) and EKS (non-permanently) closed - business as usual at Pornbox and Analvids came to a screeching halt.

Their old "business model" had flaws - but they could be glossed over because NRX was delivering such high quality, ground-breaking porn. Everyone else who wasn't at that same level - or old time greats who were starting to slow down their production pipelines - could "get away with it" (lacking a better term) because NRX was such a dominant powerhouse. It glossed over all the cracks that appeared everywhere else, including an inefficient front-page design (swimming through 100 videos of dudes sucking cock just to finally get to the absolutely great material that was released just yesterday), and troubles within the industry itself (OF disrupting the traditional porn pipeline).

At that point - when, in the most unceremonious of circumstances, the highest quality porn that had ever been produced stop being delivered, people absolutely noticed the shock. It went from feast to famine almost overnight - and then, suddenly, all those prior cracks that didn't really matter, and really weren't all that noticeable, suddenly came swinging into full view.

Alongside this - Giorgio was beginning to wind down his output - Gonzo was pretty much smoked - and EKS, while still releasing scenes, was gone as well. There were months - like, literal months there, where you could count the quality output from any of the studios on a single hand, borrowing perhaps a digit or two from the other. Things were looking absolutely rough.

And where were we? Right here. Raising hell on these forums. Screaming to high heavens. Cursing both the porn Gods and porn producers for inflicting upon us these sparsity in both output and quality. Screaming, literally screaming (that dude that writes in size 150 and all caps his shit in blue) at them to get their fucking shit together.

And you know what they did?

They listened to almost every single word we said.

Let me list - just off the top of my head (because there are way more) - all of the specific things I mentioned that the producers, organizers, and managers at Analvids/Pornbox listened to. This is going to be a long list. But - once you're done reading it - you'll realize that Analvids/Pornbox have both really tried and really succeeding in starting to turn the ship around.

Here we go:

1) I made comment, often times, that the shooting style, technique, and playbook of NRX was the evolutionary step in porn. That it brought so much to the table that was essentially "the evolution" of what Giorgio Grandi started. Since then - Erika Korti Studios (especially) - Natasha Teen (to a great degree) - and many of the South American studios have co-opted the style Nick engineered with NRX and have begun increasingly making it the frame through which their productions are seen. This includes the style, the music, the energy, the costumes, the camera angles, everything. They listened.

2) I made comment in the Erika Korti Studios thread that their black men had pretty small penises. That the white crew was not only bigger than them, but had a superior energy in their scenes as well. Since then, at an increased rate, EKS has been bringing in bigger and better hung studs to all the scenes. Seeing Leo Casanova there is a great thing. And increasingly, in the EKS scenes, I swear some of the old NRX Dark Side actors have been popping in. Some greatly hung black dudes have been making appearances and doing performances in the scenes, and while they don't always do the DAP together, everything is still building in the right direction. Not only this, but the camera shots and set-ups have been getting more daring, and the energy from the intros are fully making their way into the scenes themselves where the studs act like animals, rather than lining up like frat-boys waiting to get their hand stamped outside the club. Absolutely tremendous. They listened.

3) I made a comment that, despite everything, pissing really takes away from the energy of the scenes. I wasn't the only one - tons of people raised that issue here - well before myself as well. That, regardless of whether or not you like pissing, that it kills the moment of the productions, and watching everyone stand around and take a leak isn't really ... exciting, interesting, or has any dynamic to it whatsoever. Increasingly, across all production houses that are still producing traditional gangbang/DP/DAP porn, the pissing has been slowly but surely (at an ever increasing rate) getting removed. Lots of EKS scenes release now without any piss. Same with all of the South American studios. Pissing is now the exception, not the rule, as it absolutely should be. I don't how else to say it, but ... They listened.

4) I made mention that, outside of certain things being uncontrollable and absolutely not the fault of the producers or folks at PB/AV, that losing all of the Russian talent was really a shame. Everyone from Eva Barbie to Eliz Benson to ... well, almost all of them. Not just this - but losing Nick Whitehard as a producer really hurt as well. These days? Increasingly all of these girls are showing up in scenes of all the different Eastern European studios that have come to try and fill the gap that NRX left. Nowhere near as rough or degrading as their NRX work - but that's how it's supposed to be - newer studios are supposed to start out slow and build steam. It allows the finding of their voice, and them being able to get the cash to do bigger productions, get bigger spaces, and utilize their newer networks of female talent (that they first have to create the tools to find, to then actually have to go and find them). Not only this - but who else seems to be back shooting with the same girls that he started with back in the day? A certain Nick Morris? Really - just seeing Eva Barbie again is great. Yeah - you know how this works by now - They listened.

5) What did I say? The front-page is a fucking mess. You release eighty scenes in a day - and the tremendous gangbang from yesterday is lost forever from the eyes of the public. That when I show up - I don't want to see pictures of dude's shoving their cocks into other dude's mouths - because that just ain't me. No offence to the folks who dig that shit - but, that just ain't me. So ... what did they do? They implemented a front-page system where you choose both the categories and the studios you get to see. What's that? *cough* They listened. *cough*

6) I swear to God - outside of even the big things - the smaller stuff they've been coming through on as well. I made mention in a topic that, all things considered, Proxy Paige is fucking gorgeous beyond belief and that any and all content, new and old, with her in it is a win all around. Like, a month later, they released a series of some really heavy gangbangs with her in it, alongside some of her newer/solo material. Man - these guys - They fucking listen to us man!

Like - there is almost nothing I've said - that hasn't been followed through on by these crews. And you know what's increasingly happening? It feels like the page is starting to turn on the beginning of what had to be one of the worst years in Pornbox's and Analvids's entire history as an organization/collective. The amount of damage that was done, alongside the amount of things that weren't stopped/paid attention to prior the correcting of the ship's course, was absolutely megalithic. Meaning - it would absolutely take some time for the ship to even start going back into the direction it came from after it started turning itself around.

But - they are absolutely trying. And - they are absolutely listening to us.

I agree - things aren't anywhere near where they used to be. They just aren't. I'm not saying they've succeeded in their task. I'm not saying everything is the best it's ever been. There are still lots of empty days of releases (today wasn't too spectacular - no disrespect to the scenes that were released). But - increasingly - you get the feeling that the momentum is starting to build again. That there actually is something to look forward to when you go and browse the latest releases for the day. That there is a reason to be excited when visiting the front page (rather than being surprised when there is something great released).

Again - that ship isn't fully turned around yet. There are still so many things left to do. But things definitely seem to be going in the right direction. These things do take time. But - all things considered - everything we griped about - screamed at them about - and reasoned our point of view about - you have got to absolutely admit ...

They listened.

TYRESE wrote:I am not reading all that crap

dap-addict wrote:

TYRESE wrote:I am not reading all that crap

Maybe it's not crap, but it's a very long post, indeed!
A well structured one, though.

hyapet wrote:Earlier in the year, like ... almost nine months ago ... when NRX (permanently) and EKS (non-permanently) closed - business as usual at Pornbox and Analvids came to a screeching halt.

Their old "business model" had flaws - but they could be glossed over because NRX was delivering such high quality, ground-breaking porn. Everyone else who wasn't at that same level - or old time greats who were starting to slow down their production pipelines - could "get away with it" (lacking a better term) because NRX was such a dominant powerhouse. It glossed over all the cracks that appeared everywhere else, including an inefficient front-page design (swimming through 100 videos of dudes sucking cock just to finally get to the absolutely great material that was released just yesterday), and troubles within the industry itself (OF disrupting the traditional porn pipeline).

At that point - when, in the most unceremonious of circumstances, the highest quality porn that had ever been produced stop being delivered, people absolutely noticed the shock. It went from feast to famine almost overnight - and then, suddenly, all those prior cracks that didn't really matter, and really weren't all that noticeable, suddenly came swinging into full view.

Alongside this - Giorgio was beginning to wind down his output - Gonzo was pretty much smoked - and EKS, while still releasing scenes, was gone as well. There were months - like, literal months there, where you could count the quality output from any of the studios on a single hand, borrowing perhaps a digit or two from the other. Things were looking absolutely rough.

And where were we? Right here. Raising hell on these forums. Screaming to high heavens. Cursing both the porn Gods and porn producers for inflicting upon us these sparsity in both output and quality. Screaming, literally screaming (that dude that writes in size 150 and all caps his shit in blue) at them to get their fucking shit together.

And you know what they did?

They listened to almost every single word we said.

Let me list - just off the top of my head (because there are way more) - all of the specific things I mentioned that the producers, organizers, and managers at Analvids/Pornbox listened to. This is going to be a long list. But - once you're done reading it - you'll realize that Analvids/Pornbox have both really tried and really succeeding in starting to turn the ship around.

Here we go:

1) I made comment, often times, that the shooting style, technique, and playbook of NRX was the evolutionary step in porn. That it brought so much to the table that was essentially "the evolution" of what Giorgio Grandi started. Since then - Erika Korti Studios (especially) - Natasha Teen (to a great degree) - and many of the South American studios have co-opted the style Nick engineered with NRX and have begun increasingly making it the frame through which their productions are seen. This includes the style, the music, the energy, the costumes, the camera angles, everything. They listened.

2) I made comment in the Erika Korti Studios thread that their black men had pretty small penises. That the white crew was not only bigger than them, but had a superior energy in their scenes as well. Since then, at an increased rate, EKS has been bringing in bigger and better hung studs to all the scenes. Seeing Leo Casanova there is a great thing. And increasingly, in the EKS scenes, I swear some of the old NRX Dark Side actors have been popping in. Some greatly hung black dudes have been making appearances and doing performances in the scenes, and while they don't always do the DAP together, everything is still building in the right direction. Not only this, but the camera shots and set-ups have been getting more daring, and the energy from the intros are fully making their way into the scenes themselves where the studs act like animals, rather than lining up like frat-boys waiting to get their hand stamped outside the club. Absolutely tremendous. They listened.

3) I made a comment that, despite everything, pissing really takes away from the energy of the scenes. I wasn't the only one - tons of people raised that issue here - well before myself as well. That, regardless of whether or not you like pissing, that it kills the moment of the productions, and watching everyone stand around and take a leak isn't really ... exciting, interesting, or has any dynamic to it whatsoever. Increasingly, across all production houses that are still producing traditional gangbang/DP/DAP porn, the pissing has been slowly but surely (at an ever increasing rate) getting removed. Lots of EKS scenes release now without any piss. Same with all of the South American studios. Pissing is now the exception, not the rule, as it absolutely should be. I don't how else to say it, but ... They listened.

4) I made mention that, outside of certain things being uncontrollable and absolutely not the fault of the producers or folks at PB/AV, that losing all of the Russian talent was really a shame. Everyone from Eva Barbie to Eliz Benson to ... well, almost all of them. Not just this - but losing Nick Whitehard as a producer really hurt as well. These days? Increasingly all of these girls are showing up in scenes of all the different Eastern European studios that have come to try and fill the gap that NRX left. Nowhere near as rough or degrading as their NRX work - but that's how it's supposed to be - newer studios are supposed to start out slow and build steam. It allows the finding of their voice, and them being able to get the cash to do bigger productions, get bigger spaces, and utilize their newer networks of female talent (that they first have to create the tools to find, to then actually have to go and find them). Not only this - but who else seems to be back shooting with the same girls that he started with back in the day? A certain Nick Morris? Really - just seeing Eva Barbie again is great. Yeah - you know how this works by now - They listened.

5) What did I say? The front-page is a fucking mess. You release eighty scenes in a day - and the tremendous gangbang from yesterday is lost forever from the eyes of the public. That when I show up - I don't want to see pictures of dude's shoving their cocks into other dude's mouths - because that just ain't me. No offence to the folks who dig that shit - but, that just ain't me. So ... what did they do? They implemented a front-page system where you choose both the categories and the studios you get to see. What's that? *cough* They listened. *cough*

6) I swear to God - outside of even the big things - the smaller stuff they've been coming through on as well. I made mention in a topic that, all things considered, Proxy Paige is fucking gorgeous beyond belief and that any and all content, new and old, with her in it is a win all around. Like, a month later, they released a series of some really heavy gangbangs with her in it, alongside some of her newer/solo material. Man - these guys - They fucking listen to us man!

Like - there is almost nothing I've said - that hasn't been followed through on by these crews. And you know what's increasingly happening? It feels like the page is starting to turn on the beginning of what had to be one of the worst years in Pornbox's and Analvids's entire history as an organization/collective. The amount of damage that was done, alongside the amount of things that weren't stopped/paid attention to prior the correcting of the ship's course, was absolutely megalithic. Meaning - it would absolutely take some time for the ship to even start going back into the direction it came from after it started turning itself around.

But - they are absolutely trying. And - they are absolutely listening to us.

I agree - things aren't anywhere near where they used to be. They just aren't. I'm not saying they've succeeded in their task. I'm not saying everything is the best it's ever been. There are still lots of empty days of releases (today wasn't too spectacular - no disrespect to the scenes that were released). But - increasingly - you get the feeling that the momentum is starting to build again. That there actually is something to look forward to when you go and browse the latest releases for the day. That there is a reason to be excited when visiting the front page (rather than being surprised when there is something great released).

Again - that ship isn't fully turned around yet. There are still so many things left to do. But things definitely seem to be going in the right direction. These things do take time. But - all things considered - everything we griped about - screamed at them about - and reasoned our point of view about - you have got to absolutely admit ...

They listened.

hyapet wrote:

dap-addict wrote:I just wonder why this could even happen?
I mean we know the OFy discussion and the talent pool scouting problems, but on top of that Pornbox just fucked off landing page, the deleting problem, the earlier price rises, the bit rate reduction etc.
It looks like they did everything to harm their own business. But why?

There's a conglomeration of issues there that, individually, might not really be that big of a deal, but together, and with everything else, really adds a nasty edge to everything that was breaking down around it. From my limited perspective, with absolutely no insider knowledge, try to answer these individual cases as best I can.

Bit rate reduction - simple. It's a numbers game. To be absolutely realistic and fair - as soon as you start going above 1080p - you start getting diminishing returns. What I mean by this is - for the excessive amount of data that is sent - the rise in quality doesn't really justify it. Your imagination is pretty solid, believe it or not. If it likes what it sees, it'll fill in the rest. This isn't knocking 4k, it's great. But for the number of people who could actually properly enjoy that setting (in the sense that they're looking at it on an actual 4K television), and not just on another computer or smartphone screen ... is actually pretty low.

This is to mention nothing of all the excessive (super expensive) equipment you need in order to shoot in that definition - and not just this - but all the mistakes or things that aren't that great come into much greater focus as well. Bad lighting in an already barely high-def image is a lot less noticeable than in 4k. It's like, even I'm like, "Man ... they really need to fix those lights ..." at that quality. Whereas, at 1080p, it's noticeable, but not glaringly so. Your mind just gets over it way quicker, rather than having your literal face shoved right into it.

So, in a time when costs are going up, sales are going down, and newer studios are the focus (re: not having that much expendable cash), then it makes sense that the definitions would come down. To mention nothing of the server costs. Like - the excessive gigs it takes to download that adds up. Might be nothing for the end-user who has a limitless collection - but if a scene really starts selling well - and Pornbox has got something like 10,000 Terabytes worth of data it had to dole out - I'm guessing that adds up somewhat.

Finally - if the newer studios can't afford it, and are already going against the perks of the established studios who've got fancy set-ups, more recognizable talent, better wardrobe, and better lighting, it's probably logical to not over emphasize the distance between the two by having one send out 1080p and the other send out stuff that has eight times the picture quality.

It actually makes perfect sense that they did this.

The Deleting Problem - It's a problem for them too. I think they've created this beast of a database that, spanning probably almost 100,000 videos in total, when things start to go wrong, no one can really say, "Oh! That's what's causing it!"

Knowing how these things work, one misplaced comma, one excess digit, one space where it shouldn't be in the coding of the entire thing can have ripple effects which extend throughout the entirety of the program that's upholding, well, everything. The producers have come out, the management have come out, everyone with inside knowledge of the thing has come here (very quietly) and admitted - they don't know why it's doing it - and (more importantly) - it's not intentional.

I know with them selling re-releases of all this stuff, and behind-the-scenes, and all the rest of it, it can look like they're slipping away past purchases so they can resell it to you again. I can tell you, 100%, that no business in their right mind would ever want to take away a product somebody has purchased. It's pretty much theft. It destroys their credibility. It's ... just, no.

On top of this - the number of people this actually effects is very small. Not a lot of people go over their porn libraries extensively. "Where's this scene I purchased in 2017?!" is a complaint very few people will logically have. Most people don't curate their porn stash like other people do with albums. They just ... don't. That's not saying that the people who do so don't matter. This also isn't calling them weird or anything like that. It isn't. But ...

For the number of people it affects, how it affects them, and where the priorities lie within the overall organization as a whole - it's understandable if this doesn't take top billing. "Making sure people can access the stuff they bought 57 months ago" understandably takes a back seat to "making sure we're producing porn people actually want to buy today." That's not to say they don't care - or that they aren't looking into it - but in terms of man-power and priorities - this would understandably not be the biggest fish they have to fry.

Finally ... no company, in any situation, can ever admit to doing wrong, unless it's so blatantly obvious that the only thing left to do is to apologize. Admitting they don't know how to handle their own system would send shockwaves of doubt and eye-brow raisings all around. Best to sweep it under the rug. They are trying to fix it - make no mistake - but this isn't some nefarious plan of theirs. This is something that happened to them as well.

Price Rises - makes perfect sense. I mean - I don't like it either - but think about it from their perspective for a second ...

OF has come in and absolutely gutted the traditional porn industry. One of my favorite North American studios - CCHD (High Definition - Couch of Castings) hasn't released a scene in three fucking months. The folks who shot some of the best interracial 1 on 1 young white teen porn just a year ago or so has been reduced to shooting the odd latina milf who shows up. And that's all that's left.

Seeing the trends that were forming, being both of and elbow deep inside the industry themselves - they probably had a board-meeting and were like, "How are we going to handle ourselves going forward?" With NRX not having shuttered yet (I don't honestly remember now), they probably figured that then was the best time to start bringing in more funds from their audience.

Think about it. You know your source of models is going to be drying up to desert like levels soon. You know that in order to be able to afford bigger names that could bring newer customers in the future you're going to have to spend way more money to get them - and also that helping newer studios which will have to come and replace some of your biggest and heaviest hitters that will soon be closing their doors (Giorgio/Gonzo) - that introducing the shock then was probably the best time to do it. Before the generational change occurs. Before the newer studios get established and ... then what?

A new studio is going to somehow normalize a gigantic price increase? What are the chances of that happening? Better for the older studios who will be leaving soon anyways to normalize that - because people are familiar with the brands - and thus more likely to stick around - and then let the newer studios just kind of "join in" with what's already been established, rather than taking that weight on by themselves.

So, the pre-emptive strike on the price increases made perfect sense from a business perspective. Both to better handle the future realities of the market, and to give a much better chance for survival to the newer studios that would be coming around.

I'm telling you - these folks aren't dumb. They're also not malicious. They aren't corporate greedos who dream of taking every nickel from you. They're still artists first and foremost. That's what I feel. I think their dicks still drive their desire to produce the content, more than their brains and wallets. The price increases were a way to better guarantee safe passage through stormy waters. And, fuck! Those waters were stormy indeed.

The Landing Page - I get the feeling that whoever Pornbox outsources their coding to might really not be coming through on their end. Or, perhaps more realistically, efficiently coding a site that can categorize countless numbers of things and line them up quickly is really rather difficult.

Overall, I could code a system that can organize all of the content, allowing the user to handle it on their end. But, like I said earlier, once you get like 100,000 live videos going into that system, suddenly some things that would be simple to handle with a smaller pool of items, becoming both understandably and unexpectedly more difficult when you've suddenly got this literal sea of content to handle. All porn sites - once they become large enough - start having categorization problems. Google loves to pretend that Baby Kxtten just flat out doesn't exist. Like, will give you a ton of videos with actual Baby Kittens in them. Otherwise, will give you a message that you're trying to access harmful or law restricted content. That's obviously not the reality - but ... yeah.

Pornbox has a problem at the moment where their entire database of actresses is down. I don't know if the entire thing is down, but whenever I'm trying to look up scenes based on a whole series of actresses, I get 404'd. The system has got some problems. But it hurts them as much as it does us - so to really say, "Hey, why are you guys doing this?" is to presume that they are willingly punching themselves in the face.

They deserve a bit more credit than that.

Hey! Just like the title of the thread.

Good space to leave it off on.

hyapet wrote:This conversation going on here brings up an interesting point. And I believe, to a certain extent, you're both wrong. Kind of. Somewhat. More like - the reality lies in the middle.

While it's true that personal preference is different for everyone - I think the idea that everyone is missing here is that pornbox/analvids, or, more realistically, the Grand Daddy that really started it all, Legalporno, isn't really supposed to function as a dollar bin store for porn. That wasn't the highlights we remember it as, or, put it another way, the reason why it became as well known as it is. And no matter how much amateur garbage they stuff onto the front page, it'll never take away the thing that people expect it to be.

You see - the real irony is - other sites copied what originally made Legalporno such a force - and, really, have rode it to great success. If you take the Skeets of Teams, what it essentially is, as all the North American porn empires (the remaining ones) are these days is a collection of different porn sites under a unifying umbrella. You see - this is smart. Why? Because a single actress can go through a chain of studios under the same umbrella - build a following that way - and break all the ladders in-house.

An actress goes to a "model discovery" porn site - where, surprises - oh noes - they be shooting porn here! From there - it's a couple of stops to a couple of lightly thematic kink sites (step sisters or fathers trading daughters) until ... it's time for the first BBC. And there again is a big production - all the stops are pulled out - a legit stud is brought in - and the production can stand on it's professional legs. Usually ending somewhere with a DP - but not always. What this means is ...

Finding one model can produce a totality of like seven to eight different scenes. Cuts way down on scouting costs - and makes scheduling, contracting, and the whole management of it so much easier. Not only this - but it gets the audience invested. They see a knock-out girl come into the initial audition site - and they're just constantly checking the other sites to see if she's popping by there yet.

Smart.

Legalporno used to do this - but did so all in house. It was just Legalporno - but there was a temperance to the releases that built some real tension and a, "Oh man! I hope she does BBC DAP!" Like ... it all flowed together. And that tension, of seeing the girl gradually do bigger and harder things created both a narrative and anticipation. Every scene, every moment, it was a piece of the puzzle of the larger and longer journey.

The NRX ten-scene contract system was brilliant because of this. It assured everyone that when a new beauty landed on the front page - that the next three months, minimum, of porn was going to be fucking great. But ... what Legalporno started, and then NRX carried on, the greater Pornbox/Analvids network never seemed to follow through on.

Yes, studios share models, but it seems to be accidental, or happenstance, or the result of a hitch-up or falling-through from one of the studios. Rather than having a series of porno directors that have talent, vision, and something to offer - being brought into the system with a likewise contract structure, so that they in turn can become "one of the studios" that the models go to and through their way on the Pornbox/Analvids journey ... everything seems so accidental.

Sometimes a beautiful model does a single scene and is never seen from again. Sometimes they hang around for five or six. Sometimes they make a literal career out of it. But, you never really know. Furthermore, with every site just doing whatever all the time, and that's not necessarily a fair characterization, but they don't have the innate guidelines and structures that the North American conglomerations do, where every studio just tries to see what they can encourage the girl to do for them, and ... anything regarding the future is just left completely untouched.

It really has to be said - the choice to go for "middle aged freaks who drink stale piss from a kitchen jug" over "incredibly young beautiful teenagers who've never touched a BBC before" was incredibly unwise. For so many reasons. But the key one being ...

The ladder system was destroyed. Watching a beautiful princess progress from shooting her first porn to taking a BBC DAP was replaced with ... seeing what a total freakshow we can put on with the latest back-alley whore we just found. So ... all momentum was traded for a non-stop litany of freaks. Fucking freaks, man. All of them. I don't get turned on by watching some tattoo'd 45 year old with plastic bazoinga tits out of a 1950's comic pushing whipped cream out of her asshole. I get turned on by incredibly beautiful teenage girls trading in whatever normal future they may have had a chance to have for a chance to venture into forbidden territory. And get absolutely fucking plowed outside of their control by doing so.

And the main site ended up reflecting this. What in the Sam fuck is a seven year old Bangbros scene doing getting released in-front of in-house productions? What's a seven year old Bangbros scene even doing getting released in the first place here? I mean - outside of a cheap ploy that anybody looking for porn on the Internet will eventually cross paths with Analvids - wouldn't it make sense to make folks want to actually come here for a reason - not because the algorithm eventually forced them to? For folks to be making a line holding their wallets in at least one hand because they want to see what's getting produced here?

It's like the decision to double down on pissing was before decided as the way forward whilst simultaneously everyone was hedging their bets against it. And - with the reality that this topic is supposed to be about how Analvids/Pornbox is turning it around - they seem incredibly willing to do so. With more and more studios regulating piss to a once in a while event and letting more scenes actually proceed with fucking (goodness! What an idea!) - alongside the roster of girl's steadily improving across the board, even if the affect hasn't been centralized, and there hasn't been any European studio outside of EKS (and Nick Morris) who venture to actually shoot DAP's (or, who are in the space to actually be able to do so, both physical space wise and talent wise). Not only this - but the South American studios bring in jaw-droppingly hot girls. Natasha Teen was on the top of the world with the Hayek Twins (fucking two of them - not just one - fucking unreal!) and Ruby Walker and ... Jenny Pretinha, and ... all of them! Alongside the rest of the South American studios.

Like - it looked like there was a faction inside of Pornbox/Analvids who absolutely knew what had to be done. Thing is ...

Suddenly both Natasha Teen and Lancelot (who are one in the same, really) just ... stop releasing videos for what's like a two to three months now. Another fucking NRX/EKS studio situation from the beginning of the year it feels like. The other South American studios are trying to fill the gap, and not doing bad, but without Natasha Teen just being the bulldozer that produces great scenes and feeds talent into the rest of the studios (creating that traditional Legalporno ladder-breaking system that was so pivotal to it's success), the rest will most likely do their best to survive, but not have the overall togetherness to have an absolutely abundant talent pool needed to thrive. EKS likewise doesn't want to fall into the Giorgio trap of shooting the same handful of middle-aged anorexic, plastic-filled, tattoo'd from head to toe women that just takes the excitement right out of it. Yet - they don't have the abundance of a talent pool yet needed to shoot on a steady schedule and build momentum. Everything in Eastern Europe is still incredibly early days, especially so close to Russia having closed their doors and that tap having been fully turned off. So, the whole thing has yet to really find any secure footing. Which is crucial, because they're the last bastion of pure white porn available, because ...

Like it or refuse to admit it, OF did cause a complete recalibration of the entire porn industry. That doesn't put the emphasis off of other things, and it's certainly not working alone, but it certainly didn't help.

Like, I would like to believe the site is still figuring it out and moving towards the best choice in shooting good porn (re: actual fucking - not fucking food sports or going to the bathroom on each other) and getting a stable of secure, reliable studios releasing on a consistent schedule.

But, even then ...

They'd have to figure out that creating an archive of every single fucking porno ever shot since 1973 isn't doing them any favors. Their main page is a fucking dumping ground. Do you know what other studio systems do? They release a scene every five to seven fucking days. But they make sure that that scene is money. Sure - have some extra releases every day (the incredibly hot teenage girls putting huge toys up their ass is never a bad thing) - or even re-release an old favorite but with new footage and make it a "behind the scenes" shot. But, fucking hell ... if I turned on my webcam, wore a ski-mask, and jizzed into a plastic bag, I would be upload # 97 out of the 235 that will come out tomorrow. Not only obfuscating and dragging down the quality of the top notch studios by being near them, but by making anything shot outside of today almost entirely impossible to find inside the front-page system.

There's so much shit for them to still learn and figure out. They're trying - I feel they're trying their absolute best. But anchors be anchors. And they'll drag you down when they're attached to your ankles whether you admit they're there or not. They're starting to come around to understanding how important fucking porn is on a fucking porn site - but that matters little if the overarching objective is to create an archive filled to the brim with extremely fat, dimly lit, fifty year old South American black folks shooting on a 360p webcam in a back alley sewer.

One step at a time ... but ... fuck. Whoever decided to create a system where all of the greatest works are sunk and thrown into absolute obscurity after 24 hours needs to rethink what they want this place to actually be. If they released this shit back on the day on the traditional Legalporno, Giorgio would've quit on principle. Now ... it's just the status quo.

One step forward, two steps back ... is still trying to put the one foot forward. So ...

I have hope.

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isis666xxx wrote:too long didnt read

hyapet wrote:
It really has to be said - the choice to go for "middle aged freaks who drink stale piss from a kitchen jug" over "incredibly young beautiful teenagers who've never touched a BBC before" was incredibly unwise. For so many reasons.

Anselm_Weinberg wrote:
But what any one individual thinks is irrelevant,

Anselm_Weinberg wrote:If that is what sells wherein lies the problem? You seem to subscribe to the notion that there should be some abstract ideal that porn producers should aspire to in terms of models, aesthetics or whatever.

But what any one individual thinks is irrelevant, take music, I despise all that generic top40 trash and wouldn't voluntarily listen to it if my life depended on it, but so what? People for one reason or another buy that shit and there's not a damn thing I can do to change that.

The only thing that matters is what sells the most, whatever concrete dynamics lead to trends becoming prevalent or dominant in any field can be an interesting point of discussion but ultimately changes nothing about the cold reality of things.

Anselm_Weinberg wrote:What came first? The desire for something in its very particular form or is it in fact the form unto itself generating these desires which then get satisfied by the market in consequence? On some level, I guess it's both.

hjohjole wrote:

hyapet wrote:
It really has to be said - the choice to go for "middle aged freaks who drink stale piss from a kitchen jug" over "incredibly young beautiful teenagers who've never touched a BBC before" was incredibly unwise. For so many reasons.

It was said...I myself pointed that out probably hundreds of times during all the years i spent here. And so did many others. Did they listen?
And when this place was transformed in to a garbage dump for amateur self produced trash there was a new thread in the forum like every day with people complaining about it. Did they listen?

Now its to late. This is now a place for dap-addict and whoever the people are that have been posting 108 pages in the Alexxa Vice topic.
Any studio that does not transition in to the freak show genre, like EKS is doing right now, are going to have their sales suffer.

Its all over now. It was close though. While NRX was still dominating we had a chance. But there is no hope now.

Anselm_Weinberg wrote:Anyway, I am the first to admit I am no expert on this, but I reckon that OF dilemma ranks very high among the reasons many of these studios are suffering and just struggling to hold on and that this may lead to unwillingness to experiment and change up things, either for better or worse.

leo.casanovaxxx wrote:2) Since then, at an increased rate, EKS has been bringing in bigger and better hung studs to all the scenes. Seeing Leo Casanova there is a great thing.

Thanks man, I appreciate it! For me it's important to see the feedback of my work from users here.

dap-addict wrote:

leo.casanovaxxx wrote:2) Since then, at an increased rate, EKS has been bringing in bigger and better hung studs to all the scenes. Seeing Leo Casanova there is a great thing.

Thanks man, I appreciate it! For me it's important to see the feedback of my work from users here.

I wonder, however, already for a long time why Leo Casanova usually works fine when alone with a girl in 1on1, but hardly ever fucks a girl in multiple stud scenes?

dap-addict wrote:

leo.casanovaxxx wrote:2) Since then, at an increased rate, EKS has been bringing in bigger and better hung studs to all the scenes. Seeing Leo Casanova there is a great thing.

Thanks man, I appreciate it! For me it's important to see the feedback of my work from users here.

I wonder, however, already for a long time why Leo Casanova usually works fine when alone with a girl in 1on1, but hardly ever fucks a girl in multiple stud scenes?

Chimpy.677 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

leo.casanovaxxx wrote:2) Since then, at an increased rate, EKS has been bringing in bigger and better hung studs to all the scenes. Seeing Leo Casanova there is a great thing.

Thanks man, I appreciate it! For me it's important to see the feedback of my work from users here.

I wonder, however, already for a long time why Leo Casanova usually works fine when alone with a girl in 1on1, but hardly ever fucks a girl in multiple stud scenes?

What Leo Casanova says is totally true, his 1 vs 1 scenes, especially with new and young girls, are the best, he has a very good performance.
I think all the 1 vs 1 scenes he has are great, I wish he would constantly do those scenes where the studios brought him new girls every week.