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As little time as 15 years ago, DAP was still considered a rather unusual and freakish practice that was definitively not the mainstream of porn And the girls who took part in it often tended to be the ones who needed to be more extreme in order to get the attention and compensate for being maybe older or not as pretty as the others.

In a very short time this has changed completely. For the past five years, not only have we had the pleasure of watching beautiful girls, like May Thai, Moona Snake, or Michelle Anderson taking 2 cocks up their asses, but they manage it effortlessly, as if it was no different from another kind of performing Not to mention the social media they all engage in. It's almost like a cultural revolution has happened, what was beyond the limits has become normal

And it's quite mesmerizing to be watching a young beauty queen casually squatting between two male pelvises and fitting a couple of hard cocks inside her butthole so she can showcase her milking skills in front of the camera Anal seems to be second nature to them and being shared by the boys no big deal. In fact they take it all in their stride, even making difficult stuff seem easy.
It makes you wonder where they pick up this stuff. Any ideas ? It's hard to imagine just walking on to a porn set and doing this Even as young as 18 or 20 they seem like experienced veterans. Seen it all, done it all . Wow! And with a completely professional attitude of course

Arnold646 wrote:As little time as 15 years ago, DAP was still considered a rather unusual and freakish practice that was definitively not the mainstream of porn And the girls who took part in it often tended to be the ones who needed to be more extreme in order to get the attention and compensate for being maybe older or not as pretty as the others.

In a very short time this has changed completely. For the past five years, not only have we had the pleasure of watching beautiful girls, like May Thai, Moona Snake, or Michelle Anderson taking 2 cocks up their asses, but they manage it effortlessly, as if it was no different from another kind of performing Not to mention the social media they all engage in. It's almost like a cultural revolution has happened, what was beyond the limits has become normal

And it's quite mesmerizing to be watching a young beauty queen casually squatting between two male pelvises and fitting a couple of hard cocks inside her butthole so she can showcase her milking skills in front of the camera Anal seems to be second nature to them and being shared by the boys no big deal. In fact they take it all in their stride, even making difficult stuff seem easy.
It makes you wonder where they pick up this stuff. Any ideas ? It's hard to imagine just walking on to a porn set and doing this Even as young as 18 or 20 they seem like experienced veterans. Seen it all, done it all . Wow! And with a completely professional attitude of course

The porn industry really has changed the last 15 years and anal has become very dominant. I agree that is is really amazing to see how these porn stars (also the ones between 18 and 20) can take cocks in the ass so easily. The requirements for porn girls have really changed. They must be able to handle very hard anal sex for a long time. So I assume different girls are entering the porn industry now than 25 years ago. Girls like Jenna Jameson who didn't do anal don't have a real change anymore I think. And preparation. Prepare the asshole before the scene, stretch it, make it loose, so the cocks can go in easily. And girls must be willing to accept that they will have a sore asshole after the scene. So attitude of the girls is very important.

Arnold646 wrote:As little time as 15 years ago, DAP was still considered a rather unusual and freakish practice that was definitively not the mainstream of porn (...) In a very short time this has changed completely. For the past five years...but they manage it effortlessly, as if it was no different from another kind of performing (...)
It makes you wonder where they pick up this stuff. Any ideas ? It's hard to imagine just walking on to a porn set and doing this Even as young as 18 or 20 they seem like experienced veterans.

It's a very long story. I contributed as much to popularizing DAP in porn as much as I could. And generally we could say girls starting a porn career no matter what age, but also 18-21 know that basically DAP is expected from them if they want to be successful.
I started the EBI DAPlist in spring 2007 (EBIforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62) and moved to this forum in 2013 because meanwhile LP had taken up DAP production to a level I was so long lobbying for in porn forums, in direct industry contacts and with porn girls.

2009, the year you refer to, was way of a low point in Eurodap history. I remember that year lively, Budapest was still big but turning softer and softer, DAP and even DP fees skyrocket there to unreasonable hights killing production of DAP. For me 2009 is a.o the porn entry of Cathy Heaven, who performed her first DAP only after lots of motivation talk in 2012 - and Russian talent Alysa, who opened a new DAP talent pool performing very well and at reasonable prices, and with this putting a lot of pressure on EU based Eurobabes. I had a lot of talks with Alysa and prevented her retireing early, a long story again, doenst belong here. I tell you this only so that you can imagine that the point we are at now needed a lot, really lots, of hard work and lobbying in the background.

For girls today it's mainly a question of pre-DAPbreakin' training - and still a lot of a mental thing. 2021 with the help of a Spanish actor I brought complete rookie Ava Harris, than 21yo, into porn for DAP. It showed me 14 years after starting my DAPlist to popularize that porn sex act how much work DAPbreakin' means BTS, it showed that most girls are not born for DAP but need to get mentally prepared for that step - at least when we talk about girls completely new to porn. 99 % of civilian (=non-porn) girls are not born to dap!

To end the story of 2009, I post the result of a long battle someone else fought - and yes ofc they payed good money, but money isnt all!
Cathy Heaven's first LP DAP @ sz282 - easier to be done than with Ava Harris and many others since the Hungarian MILF was already 3years in porn. sz282: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/27594

That is an interesting reply @dap-addict. You really did a great job. Very important that double anal has become a very important part of today's porn industry. In my opinion the future of porn is anal. Pussy sex isn't interesting anymore. LP is doing a great job, but there should be more and more anal-only porn websites (that is something different than all anal!!). And when pussies aren't getting fucked anymore, double anal will replace the double penetrations.

I think ever since the early to mid 90s, porn has been primarily about anal.
I would say that since the 00s, anal is an absolute requirement to be successful in porn.
As for more hardcore sex acts like DAP, I would say that it is highly popularised from the 2010s.
As for the 2020s and onward, it will be a time when puking, manhandling, and TAP will become the standard.

I would say that within my lifetime, by no later than 2035 - every major sex scene will contain some DAP, with TAP being more popular.

Circus. Still circus.

netzerkaiser wrote:Circus. Still circus.

I should add, circus to me, but I still respect all other's views.

Netzer, I think it really depends what you need as a porn user. For me it was DAP from the Bohem agency Prague Golden Age (Julia Silver, Melissa Black, Vivienne LaRoche etc) onwards and I did what I could to get the porn I enjoyed most and later just needed. Kira Thorn, who broke the Eurodap record herself in 2018 and than was proud of it, nowadays says DAP was an unnatural act, or you may call it a 'circus act', because studs get injected to stay hard enough to do it. That wasnt the case around 2005, though. I respect Kira Thorn and her feelings which are also based on her spiritual growth in India, but I still need what I need and I am glad DAP has become a normal porn sex act meanwhile and enjoys an enormous popularity amongst users and especially paying customers.

dap-addict wrote:Netzer, I think it really depends what you need as a porn user. For me it was DAP from the Bohem agency Prague Golden Age (Julia Silver, Melissa Black, Vivienne LaRoche etc) onwards and I did what I could to get the porn I enjoyed most and later just needed. Kira Thorn, who broke the Eurodap record herself in 2018 and than was proud of it, nowadays says DAP was an unnatural act, or you may call it a 'circus act', because studs get injected to stay hard enough to do it. That wasnt the case around 2005, though. I respect Kira Thorn and her feelings which are also based on her spiritual growth in India, but I still need what I need and I am glad DAP has become a normal porn sex act meanwhile and enjoys an enormous popularity amongst users and especially paying customers.

5 years ago I didn't respect others opinions on issue. Today I do so that's progress!

netzerkaiser wrote:I should add, circus to me, but I still respect all other's views.

It is an anal circus which has nothing to do with normal sex anymore. But that is exactly what turns me on. Pounding these assholes non stop with groups of guys and spread them wide. Porn has become so fucking nasty.

dap-addict wrote:It's a very long story. I contributed as much to popularizing DAP in porn as much as I could. And generally we could say girls starting a porn career no matter what age, but also 18-21 know that basically DAP is expected from them if they want to be successful.
I started the EBI DAPlist in spring 2007 (EBIforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62) and moved to this forum in 2013 because meanwhile LP had taken up DAP production to a level I was so long lobbying for in porn forums, in direct industry contacts and with porn girls.

2009, the year you refer to, was way of a low point in Eurodap history. I remember that year lively, Budapest was still big but turning softer and softer, DAP and even DP fees skyrocket there to unreasonable hights killing production of DAP. For me 2009 is a.o the porn entry of Cathy Heaven, who performed her first DAP only after lots of motivation talk in 2012 - and Russian talent Alysa, who opened a new DAP talent pool performing very well and at reasonable prices, and with this putting a lot of pressure on EU based Eurobabes. I had a lot of talks with Alysa and prevented her retireing early, a long story again, doenst belong here. I tell you this only so that you can imagine that the point we are at now needed a lot, really lots, of hard work and lobbying in the background.

For girls today it's mainly a question of pre-DAPbreakin' training - and still a lot of a mental thing. 2021 with the help of a Spanish actor I brought complete rookie Ava Harris, than 21yo, into porn for DAP. It showed me 14 years after starting my DAPlist to popularize that porn sex act how much work DAPbreakin' means BTS, it showed that most girls are not born for DAP but need to get mentally prepared for that step - at least when we talk about girls completely new to porn. 99 % of civilian (=non-porn) girls are not born to dap!

You did a great job on this, the lobbying did play a very important role for DAP to turn into such a popular porn act. Almost all main studios have it in their repertoire now.

Wow, thanks a lot for your contributions and insight on the matter !

Concerning DAP being or not a circus act, that has more to do with how it's perceived by society, I think, than with the act itself. 15 or 20 years ago it was considered a circus act and kind of freakish, because people were not used to seeing or hearing about it.

Today it is much more common because of the consumer demand of course, but the girls seem to take it more casually also, including very young ones or beauty queen types who would of never done such stuff 20 years ago.
And that's the intriguing bit, are the girls and the teams they work with more "pro" (better preparation, attitude etc), or is it really no big deal for them due to having private experience with DAP for instance ? In the former, it is impressive to be so young and yet such a pro in your difficult work

xxxVIPERxxx wrote:As for the 2020s and onward, it will be a time when puking, manhandling, and TAP will become the standard.
.

I personally do not wish for this. I believe they should always be an offer for all preferences, including vanilla, pussy porn, etc. And the girls who can handle anal with multiple partners, will mostly have no problem performing milder stuff anyway

While I think that DAP really is an achievement for the girls, I also believe that not every man is up to it. I am pleasantly surprised by how many of the LP performers' manage to stay erect and focused.
I am also impressed by all the the guys not hesitating to fuck T-girls. I wasn't aware of how sexy it would look with a guy fucking a trans fucking a girl until I saw it. Actually most of my fetishes have come before I had that fantasy. Girls licking cum smeared prolapses for instance.

Jocke wrote:While I think that DAP really is an achievement for the girls, I also believe that not every man is up to it. I am pleasantly surprised by how many of the LP performers' manage to stay erect and focused.

99% of porn studs are injected today, this helps a lot to stay erect.

Arnold646 wrote:Today it is much more common because of the consumer demand of course, but the girls seem to take it more casually also, including very young ones or beauty queen types who would of never done such stuff 20 years ago.
And that's the intriguing bit, are the girls and the teams they work with more "pro" (better preparation, attitude etc), or is it really no big deal for them due to having private experience with DAP for instance ?

Arnold, I know only 1 porn girl who did DAP in private before entering porn.
Usually girls have more anal sex experience in private than 15-20y ago, but many also dont have this experience. Ava Harris for instance in first talks claimed she liked anal in private, but it turned out fast that she didnt have the experience to really know. It was possible still to get her do DAP fast because she really wanted to become a porn actress. Girls choosing this career option just know today that at least to try DAP will be demanded from them and they prepare mentally and also physically for that. Porn changed, as you said it yourself in OP, it changed due to fans lobbying, high demand and directors open for changes, open for more demanding anal porn than just the odd 1990ties single anal and DP.

Jocke wrote:While I think that DAP really is an achievement for the girls, I also believe that not every man is up to it. I am pleasantly surprised by how many of the LP performers' manage to stay erect and focused.
I am also impressed by all the the guys not hesitating to fuck T-girls. I wasn't aware of how sexy it would look with a guy fucking a trans fucking a girl until I saw it. Actually most of my fetishes have come before I had that fantasy. Girls licking cum smeared prolapses for instance.

I too, did not know that I would love prolapse/monster buttrosing porn.
I also did not know that I would love seeing hot, feminine TS porn stars getting fucked hard in the ass.
I also did not know that I would love seeing a girl perform oral sex until she puked/vomitted until I started seeing it.

So, you never know what you will really like until you see it and get exposed to it more.
They are not circus acts, but merely the progression and evolution of porn over a longer time period.

dap-addict wrote:
Arnold, I know only 1 porn girl who did DAP in private before entering porn.
Usually girls have more anal sex experience in private than 15-20y ago, but many also dont have this experience. P.

Anyway even without the prior personal experience in DAP, it's still impressive.
And in the looks department, some of today's performers, remind me of the kind of girl who, 30 years ago, you might have been able to get to pose naked for the camera if you were lucky. Except today she's posing naked with a confident smile and 2 cocks up her asshole

But the most interesting thing is how despite all the work and the efforts put into porn, you feel they don't want to be labelled by it. Many of them are on social media (or even influencers) with thousands of followers, promoting an image of themselves miles away from their hardcore work (fashion, dancing , traveling, etc) . It's a good thing of course and I'm not sure it would of been possible 20 years ago when a porn actress tended to be " trapped" inside her hardcore work/image, and mostly considered non legitimate doing or even discussing anything else

Arnold646 wrote:But the most interesting thing is how despite all the work and the efforts put into porn, you feel they don't want to be labelled by it. Many of them are on social media (or even influencers) with thousands of followers, promoting an image of themselves miles away from their hardcore work (fashion, dancing , traveling, etc) . It's a good thing of course and I'm not sure it would of been possible 20 years ago...

Social Media changed all ofc!
However, you have a variety of profiles and some promote themselves very much as porn actresses or for OF and also private meetings, while others have more casual or also influencer profiles like Mells Bianco with her fashion and MU for instance. Some have several profiles, some of them very private showing their kids etc. Usually they dont disclose these, though, and I never would here either.

Society got more tolerant, but more even girls just reclaimed their right to live their own life and decide about their body. Thats very good!

If you'd like I can try to find some good examples for the variety of social media of DAP girls.

dap-addict wrote:Society got more tolerant, but more even girls just reclaimed their right to live their own life and decide about their body. Thats very good!

That is a very good thing indeed. Both for the freedom of the girls to choose their own way of life, and also for the industry.

Of course and no modern girl wants to be defined only by her porn or/and by the way she fucks
Most DAP girls will have other interests, hobbies and talents, and being able to milk 2 cocks inside her bum is just one of them. A skill she's happy to show off on camera, but without necessarily making a big deal of it or the thing that rules her life.

dap-addict wrote:If you'd like I can try to find some good examples for the variety of social media of DAP girls.

Sure, when you have the time. No hurry.

dap-addict wrote:
If you'd like I can try to find some good examples for the variety of social media of DAP girls.

Amongst double anal girls on social media, I think May Thai is my favorite, even if she's not that active in porn anymore. On top of her high powered studies to become a doctor, she finds time to share her many hobbies, such as travelling, skydiving or lingerie modeling, with her hundreds of thousands of followers. Even training to become a pilot I think
But what I love about her the most is that she doesn't appear to take herself to seriously and never lets her beauty queen status get in the way of just being a playful, super-cool and completely down to earth girl next door

This young influencer always had the same kind of laid back attitude about her porn and in despite of her spectacular range of anal skills, never seemed to make a big deal of it all, even when she milked two well empowered studs together inside her bum. She's just a modern girl, who fucks the way she fucks, has fun and makes money along the way. The sort of girl who is always devouring life to the fullest with loads of confidence, energy and new projects

In the traditional porn industry, DAP was becoming more common place because, in order to gain popularity and thus more work, the option of performing a DAP-breaking and becoming a well-known name was the sure-fire ticket to an insane increase of interest in the short term and a sustainable afterglow of years of people following and purchasing the scenes you're in.

That's when porn production was in the hands of studios and producers. That's when the most an amateur cam-girl could expect was a touch of help in getting the rent paid that month. Cam-girls weren't low quality, but the price for that "safety" was obscurity. For every single Tessa Fowler, you would have a million ... I don't know their names ... and that's kind of the whole point.

Along came OF, and, well ... the rest is history.

What this did outside of providing the girl's themselves with an official venue in which to ply their wares, and not just relying on ghetto sites like Camerang345 dot comm or what have you, is centralize all of their power into an authentically brilliant cross-marketing ploy.

The irony of OF was that it was terrible for 99.999% of the people who created content for it - because the cross advertising would normally lead folks to someone way hotter doing way more stuff. The only difference now between OF and the Camerang345s out there was that this centralization of all amateur content allowed there to be thousands of new Tessa Fowlers who, despite never having performed hardcore, managed to rake in millions of dollars doing amateur content.

And these thousands of Tessa Fowler's likewise became the face of the organization, making every 7 or 8 out of 10 girl out there believe that, yes, they too could draw in that kind of money, or something very similar to it.

What this did was absorb the entire talent pool that would have traditionally gone to porn. Now, you won't get a Nikki Hill appearing out of nowhere anymore to perform outrageous hardcore BBC DAP's. Instead ... you get the 6's and 7's.

This will in time rebalance itself - but the importance in the sex act never matters on whether it's being done or not - but, rather - on who's actually doing it.

DAP wouldn't be popular if all it had were a bunch of Grandma's performing it. And, as it looks right now, in many ways, we're not that far off from it. MILF's make up the majority of the traditional porn market now, and despite having a secure hold on that demographic, which is by no means small (by any stretch of the imagination), it nevertheless isn't something that necessarily makes people go, "OH MAN! I have to watch that !"

That's why the South American scene is so important to traditional porn right now. It's keeping the lights on when the rest of the World is going dark.

I give Analvids a ton of credit in that - they are trying to build a new roster of amazingly beautiful teen talent - that will create a new generation of porn that can stand toe to toe against the OF beast that dominates everything now. A model such as Dakota Doll is exactly what the future of DAP porn needs.

But whether or not she'll commit to that act ...

That's just the thing. With what OF did do to the talent pool - every girl in the industry now, now more than ever, knows her worth. So ...

Has double anal been normalized from the old days? Absolutely.

Will it become a common place act going forward? Probably not.

And even if it did - would you necessarily care if the actresses performing it had three layers of wrinkled flub that the 20 year old male actor has to scoop aside so the camera man can actually see the asshole that the other cock is already inside of?

I know I wouldn't.

Chimpy.677 wrote:For me this was always very easy to understand, DAP scenes started to be made and popularized because people wanted to see girls doing the biggest GAPEs they could, and how were they going to do that? Yes, with 2 cocks in the girls' asses, that simple.
What do I mean by this? The goal of DAP scenes is to try to stretch the girls' anus to the extreme, the bigger the GAPE, the better. That is the reason for DAP, because I never saw DAP as something gay in porn, I always saw it as a means to try to do the biggest GAPE possible. I think that is the reason for anal sex.

Exactly. Porn is not just about anal sex, it is also about what you can do with the asshole of a girl. The best scenes are scenes in which the guys push a girl to their anal limits. That means many cocks, gaping her asshole as much as possible, deep penetrations and long scenes. The girl must show how much she can take.

Same here DAP/DVP/TP are all pure straight porn actions aimed as gaping and prolapsing a chick to the maximum capacity and turning her insides out as much as possible
It's this inner voyeurism that turns me on, especially pussy gapes such as those epic ones created by NiciXDream

Fucking a chick's hole same time is not more gay than fucking her one after the other

It's only male actors stretching their legs, opening their asshole to get rimjobs that's downright gay. How can't directors on this platform not anticipate that is just dumb
Prolly, they get turned on forcing straight audiences watching gay actors bending over and sticking their ass to the camera

Damn this website hit rock bottom real hard

House MD wrote:Same here DAP/DVP/TP are all pure straight porn actions aimed as gaping and prolapsing a chick to the maximum capacity and turning her insides out as much as possible
It's this inner voyeurism that turns me on, especially pussy gapes such as those epic ones created by NiciXDream

This is exactly what turns me on on porn (only difference that I am more into anal gapes). Just a group of guys doing with a girl whatever they want. That is porn.