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Giorgio grandi say that it seems porn without humiliation are not interesting anymore.

But, is this real?

I think the tickets are the problem...

if there was a fixed price with all scenes included would be much better.

Sometimes I don't download scenes because I am keeping tickets to see if better scenes arrive. The expectation is just too high.

I could spend 29 dollars/month fixed. but with tickets I normally buy 20 tickets each 2 months.

I would like to download all the scenes to see if what I like or what I don't (the same way I did on the old nrfta or 21sexture) but I am not rich.

So you keep charging high and getting less money than I could send to you.

And I think the majority of members think the same way as I do.

Only a little number of members that have infinite money buy all the scenes you make.

I'm not asking you to change the way you sell the scenes. It is just a call for reflection.

And, sorry sorry sorry for my terrible english.

rimundinp, you mean unification ticket prices for all scenes (for example 2TKT for each scene), or determine the price of a subscription to a certain level, regardless of the number of scenes downloaded?
Well, now I am able to pay only for the basic ticket (without direct ticket purchase), so I have to think over every purchase. Some of the scenes I buy only when I renew monthly tickets. However, if we want to access the scene was free for subscribers, it certainly subscription price would go up sharply.
Besides, the current form of payment for the singular scene LP gives owners the opportunity to see which scenes are enjoying greater interest. If all the scenes were free, it would not have discernment LP in terms of what we like, because we then downloaded all the scenes.

IMO that ticket system is the best thing about LP : it shows directors what is bought or not, and makes customers feel they paid only for scenes they like.
If they have a money problem, they still can decide to shoot less scenes ( 3 per day is a lot !) and focus on whats succesful.

I'm personally a bit tired to see a girl who's un the buisness for a few years doing another DP... But if they add some extras why not.
It's ok for newbies, then, and that's why the latest scenes I bought were from Sineplex.
Then there's the personnal girl apreciation part, which is, well, personal.

Since they've decided to take out the primary reason many of us have signed here (and since cancelled) you can be assured the ticket price will likely be dropping....

That or hopefully, they decide to push the fun direction they once had in mind...

The ticket system allows us to pay external directors while giving them the freedom to shoot what they want (within certain limits as you know now).

I'm not making a cent on Giorgio or Sineplex's scenes : they get 100% of the money from those sales.

Even this way, they can lose money on certain scenes, so they have to choose carefully what they do.

As we get more customers (we have grown a lot in the past year) we can add more studios or lower prices.

I'm not sure how is everyone doing, but I can't buy all the scenes that I want to see. IMO adding more studios will only make the problem worse.

Exactly.
On the one hand, I would like to add other studies and species. For example, something with lesbians (action type: toys, fisting, dildo & double dong) or Domina and slave as HouseOfTaboo, but without BDSM
On the other hand, even now I have a problem with the purchase of all the scenes that I like, if I had to choose another study, would suffer Gonzo, SOS and Giorgio

magizi87 wrote:I'm not sure how is everyone doing, but I can't buy all the scenes that I want to see. IMO adding more studios will only make the problem worse.

This is what I am talking about.

Giorgio and Sineplex scenes are very good.

Now I have in my browser 23 scenes on the bookmarks waiting to be purchased.
And I have 18 tickets. And is very dificult to spend it.

Always waiting to see if tomorrow something special appears.
Expectation is way too high because the resources are extremely limited.

But if I do not have more money to buy all the scenes, this problem is mine, not yours.

This is just to say that if I dont spend tickets in a scene, does not mean I don't want it.
Maybe this is happening with more members.
Giorgio may be loosing money even if his scenes are loved by the members.

Please watch this video below.
I think I am paralized sufering of the paradox of choice that makes a simple choice of a scene a very hard decision.

http://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz ... _of_choice

Of course we would all like it cheap and as much as possible, but the ticket system is a very fair thing actually.
Also lets just for once think back to those old dvd days and try to figure out how much each of us would have had to spend to get what we are able to buy each month here!

This said, if you have ideas how to economize, go also here please: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=8907

I think the ticket system is great, wish more sites would adopt it. Example compare LP to brazzers or 21s. While they have monthly subscription for around 20$, they may only release 4 scenes in a month that I enjoy, so if you go by the number of scenes I enjoy and actually download they end up being around the same price as LP, while at the same time LP delivers way more content. IMO it is much better to have too much to buy, rather then having money but nothing to buy.

In fact if there was more porn to buy I would probably save money as I wouldn't so often use expensive cam girls that cost $100 per hour.

What we need is something like STEAM, except for porn instead of games (maybe LP can become this). Where all producers release their content to one massive customer base, rather than small sites competing with split customer bases. While they may lose a small cut of the sale they would have a much larger customer base.

I would love a one time charge for 1 year access.

magizi87 wrote:I would love a one time charge for 1 year access.

Now we have this:
you buy 1 month, you have 30 tickets per month
you buy 2 months, you have 35 tickets per month
you buy 3 months, you have 40 tickets per month

I wish it was like this:
you buy 4 months, you have 45 tickets per month
you buy 5 months, you have 50 tickets per month
you buy 6 months, you have 55 tickets per month
you buy 7 months, you have 60 tickets per month
you buy 8 months, you have 65 tickets per month
you buy 9 months, you have 70 tickets per month
you buy 10 months, you have 75 tickets per month
you buy 11 months, you have 80 tickets per month
you buy 12 months, you have 85 tickets per month

The ticket-system is great! I love it!

Get rid of the ticket system and have a flat monthly charge, by all means, but realise that rather than 2 or 3 scenes per day you will get that many per week.

Thats a bad idea!
Its always better to get more offered than you can buy!
I dont mind 10 updates per day, even I cant buy them all.
Ticket system is really fair for all involved - producers, girls and consumers.


xxx, still maybe think of a better long time client monthly ticket allocation as suggested by Gemini.

I really think LP should advertise the free tickets members get and then scenes you can use them. It is really hard to find the list of scenes that are older than 1.5 years old. Most new members have no idea this feature even exists, and i think if this was highlighted more and a link to scenes on main page, like there is for new scenes best scenes etc. it would enocourge more to join. Especially as the site is up longer, some great scenes start to become free ticket scenes.

gongobyte wrote:I think the ticket system is great, wish more sites would adopt it. Example compare LP to brazzers or 21s. While they have monthly subscription for around 20$, they may only release 4 scenes in a month that I enjoy, so if you go by the number of scenes I enjoy and actually download they end up being around the same price as LP, while at the same time LP delivers way more content. IMO it is much better to have too much to buy, rather then having money but nothing to buy.

Agreed I don't want to indirectly pay for some one else fetish!

dap-addict wrote:Its always better to get more offered than you can buy!
I dont mind 10 updates per day, even I cant buy them all.

xxx, still maybe think of a better long time client monthly ticket allocation as suggested by Gemini.

I fully agree, more choice is always preferred. I just checked Brazzers and this was a good month for scenes I would download. A month membership is $29.95 at Brazzers and I would have downloaded 7 out of 62 scenes. A LP monthly membership is $29.90 for 35 tickets. This allows me to download anywhere between 10-18 scenes. They released 89 scenes this month and I bought around 50 of them. The tickets system is the best system ever. I would second small tweaks for long time members.

utopiaa wrote:I really think LP should advertise the free tickets members get and then scenes you can use them. It is really hard to find the list of scenes that are older than 1.5 years old.

I will never agree with the free tickets members get it just encourages members to not purchase scenes that they might not be 100% interested in. Instead members opting to wait and get when free. Plus this is more of a benefit to new members or people thinking to join but not really a benefit for long time members. If all scenes cost something you have no incentive to wait. Also giving all scenes a cost a business case could made to reduce the price of the newer scenes. I always use this scene as an example. I know it is not every members cup of tea but I still can't believe this scene is free: Stacy Snake BBC DP and Airtight 720P! I mean 720p is the current highest scene quality too so you can't even tell its an older scene.

I think is valid to say that there is a chance, that scenes get released at a time when the vast majority of customers are low or have spend all their tkt and by the time they get recharged, there was a flood of new content that makes you forget about an old scene.

Kind of like youtube videos. Where most videos get their biggest push in views in the first 2 days of going live and after that are forgotten.

But my point is that this has to be affecting some models in a negative way.

Also, something that I don't understand is why this website has so little / none publicity.

The way I discover most other porn sites was through search engines related to porn. But this website is never featured in those, at least not in english speaking websites. Even weird sites like kink, appear in those search engines.

Why doesn't LP look actively for new customers?! One way to lower cost is to sell more!

12 years ago, when porn was distributed only in DVD in italy you had 2 way to get contents:
- Rent a dvd
- Buy a dvd

The price for rent a DVD was about 3 euro for 3 days, and usual every time you give back a dvd you take a new one. Lets say 10 DVD/month, equal to 30 euro for about 50 scene.
The price for buy a dvd was about 20 euro/dvd, and it means 4 euro/scene.

Then the membership system fucked up the market, selling 4-50 updates + all the catalog for a price between 19.90 and 30.00 usd/month. .

When I shot the first movie for Pinko I got paid 10.000 euro (5 anal bg), and Im speaking about the year 2002, so I guess pinko almost triplicate the investment.
The quality of the contents was may be lower about the anal action, but the investment for create the movie was about 2-5 time the double of now. The membership system flattened the level of the contents increasing the number of user who turned on free sources.

Ticket system is the only way for produce and distributed quality material, and the quality has a cost.

Well, I started the thread with an idea in mind.

But you guys have brought good arguments and I have to agree.

I can only speak for myself, but I think tickets work just fine. Its a fair way of paying for what you want to, and the free tickets for older content is an excellent way of working that side of things, unless like myself you have a lot of it on dvd from years back

with regard to the content itself I feel less interested now than I did a year or so ago. It feels like there is this push to make the content consistently harder or more extreme. I dont really understand why nearly every scene has to have pissing in now. Its not something I think is needed and its kind of off putting honestly.

I also think that a lot of the performances lately have become just quite mechanical. I semi think perhaps the same white studio contributes to this, makes it feel like things are all the same? There were several series or scenes which stood out for me as being particularly good I would like to see more of. One thing we never see is Asian girls and that is a pretty big market today, there used to be a couple of Asian girls working for LP like Sabrine, all her scenes are really great http://legalporno.com/model/model/id/904

Series like Black Meat Please, Hardcore Climax, Kreme ones, the 3 on 1 when they first started were awesome as well.

When I compare some of the older stuff to the newer, the new content we have now there are some really good scenes dont get me wrong, I think its more that some of the new ones are kind of ticking boxes than trying to get a really great performance if I look back to the older content it feels like the scenes were less 'extreme' but the performers put a bit more in to it? bit harder bit deeper and spent more time really working it. Now it can feel on some scenes like they really just wanted to get it done and finish. Dont want that to sound insulting but just how it comes across sometimes. With some of the new girls lately particularly it can really seem like its a bit going through the motions and not really that sexy.

This was a recently good scene having sineplex back has really helped provide variety of content : http://legalporno.com/watch/29879/perfe ... arts_rs083
This was also another example of a really awesome scene with Jessica Swan : http://legalporno.com/watch/27952/3_on_ ... ocks_sz392

I think if we saw a bit of a blend of the old and performances like this one with Swan that would be great

xxx wrote:...we have grown a lot in the past year...

Which is approximately the same time frame that you have been releasing almost daily piss scenes. Coincidence?

rimundinp wrote:Recently on this topic: viewtopic.php?f=101&t=8447&p=48916#p48916
Giorgio grandi say that it seems porn without humiliation are not interesting anymore.
But, is this real?

I'm willing to bet this is based on sales. I'm not into seeing women humiliated (Piss). Even if they want it. I can overlook it if the trailer shows some other hot action (not piss in ass). Giorgio has to keeps the lights on so if that what is selling then he’ll keep doing it. DAP is ok in my book if the model likes it. A few other threads other memberes commented on the Bi/”F@g” aspect of DAP. You can say the same for DP, more than one guy naked at the same time, or watching a movie with a naked man. As long as the dicks stay in women, I’m ok with it.

rimundinp wrote:I think the tickets are the problem...
if there was a fixed price with all scenes included would be much better.
Sometimes I don't download scenes because I am keeping tickets to see if better scenes arrive. The expectation is just too high.
I could spend 29 dollars/month fixed. but with tickets I normally buy 20 tickets each 2 months.
I would like to download all the scenes to see if what I like or what I don't (the same way I did on the old nrfta or 21sexture) but I am not rich.
So you keep charging high and getting less money than I could send to you.
And I think the majority of members think the same way as I do.
Only a little number of members that have infinite money buy all the scenes you make.
I'm not asking you to change the way you sell the scenes. It is just a call for reflection.
And, sorry sorry sorry for my terrible english.

Your answer is here

pastaga wrote:IMO that ticket system is the best thing about LP : it shows directors what is bought or not, and makes customers feel they paid only for scenes they like.
If they have a money problem, they still can decide to shoot less scenes ( 3 per day is a lot !) and focus on whats succesful.
I'm personally a bit tired to see a girl who's un the buisness for a few years doing another DP... But if they add some extras why not.
It's ok for newbies, then, and that's why the latest scenes I bought were from Sineplex.
Then there's the personnal girl apreciation part, which is, well, personal.

And here

xxx wrote:The ticket system allows us to pay external directors while giving them the freedom to shoot what they want (within certain limits as you know now).
I'm not making a cent on Giorgio or Sineplex's scenes : they get 100% of the money from those sales.
Even this way, they can lose money on certain scenes, so they have to choose carefully what they do.
As we get more customers (we have grown a lot in the past year) we can add more studios or lower prices.

I agree with you on saving tickets. I do that also. But, what you are forgetting is all of the free content (I spent 80+ free ones yesterday). Also, the new scenes will become cheaper/free in time. Which benefits a new customer. But, still better that most sites. And, they know there is a better chance that you’ll maintain a subscription while waiting. A flat monthly fee would cost in excess (IMO) of $60+ US. I wouldn’t pay that. I like it the way it is. I wish they would stop the odd ticket cost, e.g. 1.29 tickets.

Tastes Like Ass wrote:

xxx wrote:...we have grown a lot in the past year...

Which is approximately the same time frame that you have been releasing almost daily piss scenes. Coincidence?

Porn in general is becoming more hardcore. With things that you used to have to dig to find not becoming mainstream.

pastaga wrote:IMO that ticket system is the best thing about LP : it shows directors what is bought or not, and makes customers feel they paid only for scenes they like.
If they have a money problem, they still can decide to shoot less scenes ( 3 per day is a lot !) and focus on whats succesful.

I'm personally a bit tired to see a girl who's un the buisness for a few years doing another DP... But if they add some extras why not.
It's ok for newbies, then, and that's why the latest scenes I bought were from Sineplex.
Then there's the personnal girl apreciation part, which is, well, personal.

I don't mean to quibble, but content owners and directors usually have the data to show what scenes sell without using a ticket system.

The ticket system is probably good for attracting consumers with limited cash to spend, but it's got drawbacks for those who have a slightly larger budget who want a full selection. Obviously, it won't matter to those with a huge budget to spend on porn, who'll pay for tickets to access whatever they want.

Perhaps the real upside to the ticket system is that it establishes the confidence of multiple directors. Ticket sales avoid fights between directors who make very popular content and those who make unpopular content. A flat subscription can lead to infighting between high popularity directors and low popularity directors over who gets what % of profits.

Tastes Like Ass wrote:

xxx wrote:...we have grown a lot in the past year...

Which is approximately the same time frame that you have been releasing almost daily piss scenes. Coincidence?

I find piss to be disgusting, but I salute your hustle and sense of humor.

fapbastard wrote:Porn in general is becoming more hardcore. With things that you used to have to dig to find not becoming mainstream.

This is just not true. American porn has been getting gradually softer and more politically correct for at least the last ten years, and the same is true (to a lesser extent) of European porn, especially since the Russian porn crackdown three years ago.

Tastes Like Ass wrote:

fapbastard wrote:Porn in general is becoming more hardcore. With things that you used to have to dig to find not becoming mainstream.

This is just not true. American porn has been getting gradually softer and more politically correct for at least the last ten years, and the same is true (to a lesser extent) of European porn, especially since the Russian porn crackdown three years ago.

What a totally ridiculous comment.

Prolapsed assholes? When were big time studios filming that? I remember when it was a big deal for an elite porn model to do a dp. Now it is dpp, dap triple anal etc. Fetish porn is now front and center. Evil Angel has guys getting fucked in the ass with strapons...women getting fucked by transsexuals without a condom. Simulations of men watching their wives getting fucked by another guy and other deviant behavior? That shit is so mainstream, it's featured on the front page of porn distributors like data18.com 10 years ago, that filth was unknown to 90% of us.

If anything, it's gotten more extreme and more driven by gay/bisexual fans and directors. I've heard people at work saying that they can't watch anything but solo porn because what's out there now is 1)disgusting 2) too damn gay for a straight man to watch.

Can't argue with them at all.

Tastes Like Ass wrote:American porn has been getting gradually softer and more politically correct for at least the last ten years, and the same is true (to a lesser extent) of European porn, especially since the Russian porn crackdown three years ago.

Its sure true for US porn.
The Russian crackdown 3 years ago deprived Europorn of a vast pool of girls ready to do almost everything for comparably little money, thats the main problem.
Cash stripped only a few bigger studios can shoot the same more enveloppe pushing content with imported Russian cuties as transfer, housing etc. makes them quite expensive. But I hear after SOS successsful return to Piter some other wanna try it again. I thus would expect an increase in harder Europorn in 1-2 years again.
And good so!

dap-addict wrote:

Tastes Like Ass wrote:American porn has been getting gradually softer and more politically correct for at least the last ten years, and the same is true (to a lesser extent) of European porn, especially since the Russian porn crackdown three years ago.

Its sure true for US porn.
The Russian crackdown 3 years ago deprived Europorn of a vast pool of girls ready to do almost everything for comparably little money, thats the main problem.
Cash stripped only a few bigger studios can shoot the same more enveloppe pushing content with imported Russian cuties as transfer, housing etc. makes them quite expensive. But I hear after SOS successsful return to Piter some other wanna try it again. I thus would expect an increase in harder Europorn in 1-2 years again.
And good so!

Prolapsed rectum isn't hard?

WhynotmoreEuros wrote:Fetish porn is now front and center. Evil Angel has guys getting fucked in the ass with strapons...women getting fucked by transsexuals without a condom. Simulations of men watching their wives getting fucked by another guy and other deviant behavior? That shit is so mainstream, it's featured on the front page of porn distributors like data18.com 10 years ago, that filth was unknown to 90% of us.

First of all, all of the stuff you mention has been around for much longer than 10 years.

Second, and more important, all this Evil Angel freak show shit, with guys getting fucked in the ass by strap-ons and trannies, has nothing to do with hardcore porn. In fact, it's exactly the kind of politically correct garbage that has replaced real hardcore porn. That's not what hardcore porn fans want to see. That's why they're the lowest-rated scenes on their site. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if EA was losing money on those scenes, and Stagliano was subsidizing them for PR purposes.

10 years ago, anal, DP, gangbangs and so on, were all much more common than they are now. Back then, most anal scenes were at least 95% anal (and many had no pussy fucking at all). Now, almost every anal scene is at least 50% pussy fucking. Back then, most anal scenes had at least 5 ATMs. Now, they rarely have more than 1 or 2 (and many have none at all). Back then, cumfart swallowing was such a common practice that there were several entire series devoted to that one fetish. Now, it's virtually unheard of.

I could go on and on, and that's not even including the guys that were really pushing the envelope, like Extreme Associates and Max Hardcore. Oh, wait, I guess Max wasn't hardcore enough for you, since he didn't let girls fuck him in the ass with a strap-on, right?

Good points!

But I am surprised by this point you make ATM:

Tastes Like Ass wrote:10 years ago(...) Back then, most anal scenes were at least 95% anal (and many had no pussy fucking at all)

Since 2000/1 I dont watch pussy only anymore in porn and always <FF> it, but I dont remember also in those 2001-5 scenes that I could just watch and enjoy 95% of anal scenes without my hand on the <FF>-botton.

Tastes Like Ass wrote:

WhynotmoreEuros wrote:Fetish porn is now front and center. Evil Angel has guys getting fucked in the ass with strapons...women getting fucked by transsexuals without a condom. Simulations of men watching their wives getting fucked by another guy and other deviant behavior? That shit is so mainstream, it's featured on the front page of porn distributors like data18.com 10 years ago, that filth was unknown to 90% of us.

First of all, all of the stuff you mention has been around for much longer than 10 years.

Second, and more important, all this Evil Angel freak show shit, with guys getting fucked in the ass by strap-ons and trannies, has nothing to do with hardcore porn. In fact, it's exactly the kind of politically correct garbage that has replaced real hardcore porn. That's not what hardcore porn fans want to see. That's why they're the lowest-rated scenes on their site. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if EA was losing money on those scenes, and Stagliano was subsidizing them for PR purposes.

10 years ago, anal, DP, gangbangs and so on, were all much more common than they are now. Back then, most anal scenes were at least 95% anal (and many had no pussy fucking at all). Now, almost every anal scene is at least 50% pussy fucking. Back then, most anal scenes had at least 5 ATMs. Now, they rarely have more than 1 or 2 (and many have none at all). Back then, cumfart swallowing was such a common practice that there were several entire series devoted to that one fetish. Now, it's virtually unheard of.

I could go on and on, and that's not even including the guys that were really pushing the envelope, like Extreme Associates and Max Hardcore. Oh, wait, I guess Max wasn't hardcore enough for you, since he didn't let girls fuck him in the ass with a strap-on, right?

1. Straw man. I said it was unknown to most of us, not that it didn't exist. It's now front and center on mainstream porn aggregation sites like data18 and freeones. That was absolutely not the case before, confirming what I said about the porn industry becoming more extreme.

2."Back then, most anal scenes had at least 5 ATMs." BULLSHIT. Often to get ATM you had to buy specific series with ATM as part of the title. You're just a goddamn liar, I don't know what else to bother with you.

3.Cumfart swallowing??? I hadn't even heard of the term "cumfart swallowing" until I came to LegalPorno. I've been watching a ton of porn for well beyond 10 years. Just go away. I'm thinking of blocking you for being a waste of time.

dap-addict wrote:Since 2000/1 I dont watch pussy only anymore in porn and always <FF> it, but I dont remember also in those 2001-5 scenes that I could just watch and enjoy 95% of anal scenes without my hand on the <FF>-botton.

Well, I don't know if it was clear or not, but I wasn't counting pussy fucking that was part of DP. I was counting DP as part of the anal.

If you go back and look at old stuff from Red Light, Anabolic and so on, most scenes were about 25 minutes. There was usually about 5 minutes of warmup/blowjob, followed by a brief (usually 1 or 2 minute) pussy warmup, and then the rest of the scene was nothing but anal (and possibly DP). There was virtually none of the stupid back and forth between the ass and pussy that is so common in American porn now. Also, there were many series that had no pussy fucking at all, or only as part of a DP. Some examples were Grand Theft Anal (no pussy fucking at all), Straight to the A (no pussy fucking at all), and Un-Natural Sex (no pussy fucking except for DPs and an occasional DPP).

So, maybe 95% was a slight exaggeration, but there was certainly far less pussy fucking than there is now. I recently watched 3 American gangbang scenes, and none of them was more than 25% anal! Truly pathetic.

WhynotmoreEuros wrote:1. Straw man. I said it was unknown to most of us, not that it didn't exist. It's now front and center on mainstream porn aggregation sites like data18 and freeones. That was absolutely not the case before, confirming what I said about the porn industry becoming more extreme.

You ignored my main point. "Weird" and "hardcore" are not the same thing.

2."Back then, most anal scenes had at least 5 ATMs." BULLSHIT. Often to get ATM you had to buy specific series with ATM as part of the title. You're just a goddamn liar, I don't know what else to bother with you.

I've watched well over 10,000 anal scenes, and I've counted the ATMs in pretty much all of them, so trust me when I say there used to be a LOT more of them. Up until about 5 years ago, the standard was at least 1 ATM in every position. If you don't believe me, go back and look. As for the series with ATM in the title (which they don't make anymore), those had extreme amounts of ATM, sometimes as many as 20-30 ATMs in 1 scene. Now, you could watch 10 scenes (or more) without finding that many ATMs.

3.Cumfart swallowing??? I hadn't even heard of the term "cumfart swallowing" until I came to LegalPorno. I've been watching a ton of porn for well beyond 10 years. Just go away. I'm thinking of blocking you for being a waste of time.

All that porn you claim to have watched must have been from Vivid or Wicked. Otherwise, you would have heard of series like Cum Fart Cocktails, Dirt Pipe Milkshakes, Overflowing Assholes and many others. Guess what? They don't make those anymore, either. I guess they're too busy making "hardcore" scenes of guys taking it up the ass.

TLA, thanks for reminding me to Grand Theft Anal (Zero Tolerance), Straight to the A (DVDS), and Un-Natural Sex (Diabolic). Those were great lines!
But there was little and they were too much on the margin.
Anyway, I exactly know why I switched from US porn to Europorn even before they started to get that terribly PC and soft.
It started already with the anti-creampie witchhunt after that HIV case early 2000....Just so pathetic.

Tastes Like Ass wrote:

dap-addict wrote:Since 2000/1 I dont watch pussy only anymore in porn and always <FF> it, but I dont remember also in those 2001-5 scenes that I could just watch and enjoy 95% of anal scenes without my hand on the <FF>-botton.

So, maybe 95% was a slight exaggeration, but there was certainly far less pussy fucking than there is now. I recently watched 3 American gangbang scenes, and none of them was more than 25% anal! Truly pathetic.

It was those 2min pussy only fucking I was talking of.
2min pussy only warm-up = 2min <FF> no matter how long the anal/dp/dap (no dpp please!) later lasts.

Today...I tried a few Hard X and Elegant Angels gangbangs because of the daps, but its too little anal fucking for my taste. For me it all went down the Vivid/Wicked mainstream softcore drain! Too bad...but luckily we have Europorn.