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isis666xxx wrote:piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

M_sicas_Candido wrote:AV's loyal user/fan base is larger than that of any other site of its kind. This forum also contributes to that.

dap-addict wrote:

M_sicas_Candido wrote:AV's loyal user/fan base is larger than that of any other site of its kind. This forum also contributes to that.

Chimpy.677 wrote:3) When a young and beautiful girl arrives, she goes unnoticed by them and they get to the point (2).

Mav99ex wrote:

Chimpy.677 wrote:3) When a young and beautiful girl arrives, she goes unnoticed by them and they get to the point (2).

You see, the problem with that is, that young AND beautiful girls are really, REALLY rare. Young AND beautiful AND willing to shoot here is even more rare.

Except for some Latin girls shooting for Natasha Teen or Lancelot, there seem to be very few new girls available these days. And even less that I would call "beautiful", but that, of course, lies in the eyes of the beholder. Personally, I find most new girls here not attractive AT ALL.

So, when there are no interesting new girls, you look for new scenes of girls you already know and like. Simple as that.

And regarding Pee and other fetishes:
It still makes the scenes stand out from all the other scenes theses girls shoot for other studios and sites. There are many cheaper, high quality options if you are into more "regular" scenes... You'll also find beautiful new girls there, only the scenes most of them are willing to do, are rather lame and boring compared to the content here...

Mav99ex wrote: So, when there are no interesting new girls, you look for new scenes of girls you already know and like.

Chimpy.677 wrote:

isis666xxx wrote:piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

I'm not demonizing it, I'm saying that this is niche porn and should be treated as such. Because if you don't do those they're going to end up closing all the studios in the end, that's the point.
To maximize sales you have to make porn for the non-niche user, that is, hard DP, DAP scenes but without strange additions, just like GONZO did in its golden age, which is why it did so well worldwide. , in fact LP became known all over the world because of that, you saw a GONZO DP scene and you automatically knew it was from the LP page.

Chimpy.677 wrote:

isis666xxx wrote:piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

I'm not demonizing it

Chimpy.677 wrote:
4) They have totally strange tastes, such as a love for prolapses and vomiting.

House MD wrote:in Giorgio's syphilictic ass

Chimpy.677 wrote:

isis666xxx wrote:piss, vomit and prolapse are fun

you are always demonizing piss, vomit and prolapses

I'm not demonizing it, I'm saying that this is niche porn and should be treated as such. Because if you don't do those they're going to end up closing all the studios in the end, that's the point.
To maximize sales you have to make porn for the non-niche user, that is, hard DP, DAP scenes but without strange additions, just like GONZO did in its golden age, which is why it did so well worldwide. , in fact LP became known all over the world because of that, you saw a GONZO DP scene and you automatically knew it was from the LP page.

hyapet wrote:the type of girl's that line up to do the heavier stuff are no longer the 8's, 9's, and 10's that we saw in porn's hey-day, but rather, the 5's, 6's, 7's, and sometimes, yes sometimes, an 8 or a 9.

M_sicas_Candido wrote:

hyapet wrote:the type of girl's that line up to do the heavier stuff are no longer the 8's, 9's, and 10's that we saw in porn's hey-day, but rather, the 5's, 6's, 7's, and sometimes, yes sometimes, an 8 or a 9.

Maybe a greater investment in South America (like Yummy has been doing) and - let's hope - the end of the Ukraine war can change this disheartening scenario of "really pretty girls do not shooting hardcore anymore".

hyapet wrote:Actually Kslvt, that isn't really the full picture.

There is a lot of truth with what you say. And the manner in which a market will react is as you describe it. However, it goes a little deeper than that. And really - it's about (ironically) the user's tastes and preferences. Which is why we're seeing most traditionally "hardcore" porn studios either stop producing porn or greatly reduce their output.

Now, when I say "tastes and preferences," you think I'm talking about puking or piss or prolapse or any other of that more "extreme end" of content. I'm not. I'm talking about the appetite for ... consuming porn in general.

Here's the thing - the male portion of Western and Eastern societies roughly ten to twenty years ago - consumed porn because they enjoyed the sexual excitement of it. They would, or could, actually get laid. Meaning! Meaning, they actually had the girlfriend experience available to them. Now - reality dictates - not all girl's out there are 10/10's. Or, even, realistically, 6/10's. So, these guys would watch a porno of an actual girl that was an 8,9,10/10, go home, turn off the lights, and Bam! Sexual excitement was still on the menu.

These days - a gigantic chunk of men can't, won't, or don't even talk to girls or women. They ... wouldn't get very far if they did anyways. Out of a group of 100 men, 5 of them actually qualify as the "top tier dudes." These guys, at 6'2, ripped with muscles, handsome, driving an expensive car, and earning a six-digit income, are every lady's dream. And guess what! All the ladies can have them!

They literally line up, one after another after another, on the dating apps waiting to get the affirmative from their Chad or Tyrone of choice. And once they do - and then get run through - they're set. They've achieved a satisfaction with their man of choice, sexually and egotistically, that the other 95 dudes could never provide. They got a top tier man! Ergo, that means they're a top tier girl. Meaning - the other 95% of dudes - who were never preferred to begin with - have absolutely zero chance now of getting anything other than punched in the face for going near any woman who's finished lining up (and is lining up again) at the Chad and Tyrone buffets.

Before, in earlier generations, men had some kind of contact with women, often not just bumping uglies, but in having their presence actually recognized, affirmed, and legitimized. Now ... they're pretty much invisible to the world. Meaning ...

What they desire has also changed. Is looking at the beautiful girl almost going naked exciting? Sure is to these guys who've never seen one who wasn't scowling or laughing at them. But, more than that, actually being able to talk to the girl is what sends them into overdrive. Not only is the girl gorgeous - but! She's actually acknowledging that they exist.

This is how far men have fallen.

Everyone treats OF as the cause of the collapse of the traditional porn market, but really, it's more the symptom. The girl (often) doesn't have to get nude at all - but just sits there, fully clothed, pretending to type to her audience. Meaning, a team of Indians at a call center in Delhi are pretending to be her to all the guy's that are dropping massive amounts of cash so that she'll slightly touch the rim of her bra, cross her legs, or giggle as they're talking to them.

Giorgio Grandi really nailed it when he said that this was the greatest threat facing AV/PB/his studios. Ask any truly beautiful girl if she would rather make a million dollars by sitting in front of a camera doing nothing for a couple of years or make five thousand taking two baseball bat sized cocks up her ass at the same time - and it's not hard to see the clear and obvious answer.

And what are guys attracted to? Only the hottest women, right? And what do they and can they offer? A placebo girlfriend experience where some guy can lie to himself for a few minutes that this girl, maybe, in some universe, on some timeline, somewhere out there in the literally infinite cosmos, might actually acknowledge who he is.

So ... the traditional porn market softened because now girl's have way more bargaining power. Most girl's probably don't want the two baseball bat sized cocks at the same time (understandable), and now that the actual demand for the "type of service" they provide has shifted, you're typically left with a much smaller audience that actually wants the "traditional porn experience."

Meaning - the type of girl's that line up to do the heavier stuff are no longer the 8's, 9's, and 10's that we saw in porn's hey-day, but rather, the 5's, 6's, 7's, and sometimes, yes sometimes, an 8 or a 9. I mean, even North American studios that shot nothing but the most drop-dead gorgeous teens are now shooting mis-shapen MILFS.

What this means is that the amount of money that would be flowing from the more traditional porn consumer is also going to dry up further. People aren't going to shell out the same amount of cash for the 5's as for the 9's.

Meaning, the traditional business are either going to shut down or "be able to just survive."

I think AV/PB will be more than able to survive. But - many others will close down. And the type of girls and content you used to see coming out on the regular will be a lot more sparse and fewer and further in-between than it once was. This all being said - AV/PB is doing an incredible job of securing as much top-ranking talent as it can and shooting some of the best porn it's ever shot (from a technical and male-talent angle).

But the market has changed. The porn consumer has changed. And what the forever-alone hopefully-if-I-pay-this-girl-ten-grand-she'll-acknowledge-me pay pigs have shown us is that a gigantic slice of the porn pie has now gone towards OF. Not only this - but with AI sites offering stuff like "a hundred "image changes" for ten bucks" - a lot of money and attention is going there now as well.

It's not because the sites decided to go way lighter or turn their back on the harder content. It's that the market has transformed to the "new generation's preferences."

And those preferences have almost next to nothing to do with the porn itself and the way it's produced and almost everything to do with the societal and educational surroundings they're surrounded/influenced by and forced to live with.

Kslvt wrote:I totally agree with you.

My first response was mainly to answer the point I quoted, so the analysis I developed is partial and your addition completes the picture.

I'm perfectly aware that girls are now making thousands of dollars effortlessly and that the whole industry is moving in that direction, and i ABSOLUTELY HATE IT, which is why it's essential that productions with a DEMANDING audience continue to exist and that those that pander to the very casual trend end up disappearing naturally, as is currently the case.

The porn world is at a turning point, it's crucial to support atypical and quality productions like LPAV so that we don't all end up in a world of cuck, in love with a girl they'll never see and who doesn't give a fuck about them, who are happy to pay hundreds of dollars to see a piece of boob they'll never touch.

Porn is only business, Everyone has their own interests, the girls want to make as much money as possible without even taking their clothes off, the productions just want to make money, so the key is the consumer, and casuals, who unfortunately represent the vast majority of porn, are a loss for everyone.

HARDCORE CONSUMERS NEED TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SOLUTION!

hyapet wrote:More than doable. Find girls who are both beautiful and rank low on the income ladder on OF - join their platform - leave a small touch of money - get in contact with them - start a discussion - and then let it be known that they could make thousands for an actual shoot. Start them out with a try-out that's very light and easy. And then say that the response was good and that a larger contract is available for them. Get them to sign an NRX-type contract, with the promise of extensions based on agreed-upon performance metrics, that has them going all the way up to a BBC DAP. Seems ... pretty straight forward actually.

hyapet wrote:

Kslvt wrote:I totally agree with you.

My first response was mainly to answer the point I quoted, so the analysis I developed is partial and your addition completes the picture.

I'm perfectly aware that girls are now making thousands of dollars effortlessly and that the whole industry is moving in that direction, and i ABSOLUTELY HATE IT, which is why it's essential that productions with a DEMANDING audience continue to exist and that those that pander to the very casual trend end up disappearing naturally, as is currently the case.

The porn world is at a turning point, it's crucial to support atypical and quality productions like LPAV so that we don't all end up in a world of cuck, in love with a girl they'll never see and who doesn't give a fuck about them, who are happy to pay hundreds of dollars to see a piece of boob they'll never touch.

Porn is only business, Everyone has their own interests, the girls want to make as much money as possible without even taking their clothes off, the productions just want to make money, so the key is the consumer, and casuals, who unfortunately represent the vast majority of porn, are a loss for everyone.

HARDCORE CONSUMERS NEED TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SOLUTION!

Well, the only "standing up" that exists in porn is with the wallet. The wallet dictates what happens.

Truthfully, the only way the traditional porn market can currently survive is by hoovering up the girl's who just can't seem to make it work on OF. Whether this is through poor marketing, a poor stage set-up, or a personality that just isn't built for the "manipulate men to give you tons of cash for nothing." There are many, many, many girls on OF who are making nowhere near their potential, and because they lack the intrinsic socio/psychopathic manipulative powers, or the proper connections, are most likely not going to get very far in the OF landscape. They are still incredibly beautiful. Just not able to make it work on the platform.

The dream of OF is to "not really do porn." The minute you're in a porno - and you're banging dudes - a line that, according to them, has been crossed. The reality is, the minute they have their face on a picture that has the words "OF" in them, they've already crossed that line. Whether or not they've even been nude. They might perceive it to be different, but reality, actual reality, shows them as somebody who's willing to sell their body for money. Through whatever means or format.

It's a pretty big line to cross - one that prohibits any actual self-respecting man from dating and or marrying them in the future. Or, like ... what? Their kid is going to have their classmates showing them pictures of their mom dressed in a bear suit, bending over, with her tits flopping out? The husband is going to have the same thing happen when he goes to work? No. Doing porn is, sadly, pretty much a one-way ticket-punch to a pretty devious lifestyle afterwards. Or, at the very least, a lifestyle that prohibits a lot of good people from entering into their lives from that point forward.

This is usually the point where somebody comes out and says, "Arrrrgh! You're going on an anti-porn rant again!" That isn't my intent. My intent in pointing out this reality is that actual porn producers would have a lot easier time than they would believe in recruiting these girls onto the different platforms. Especially when, secretly or non-secretly, the girl's know what they're actually doing as well.

More than doable. Find girls who are both beautiful and rank low on the income ladder on OF - join their platform - leave a small touch of money - get in contact with them - start a discussion - and then let it be known that they could make thousands for an actual shoot. Start them out with a try-out that's very light and easy. And then say that the response was good and that a larger contract is available for them. Get them to sign an NRX-type contract, with the promise of extensions based on agreed-upon performance metrics, that has them going all the way up to a BBC DAP. Seems ... pretty straight forward actually.

The other thing that needs to happen is, as you said, men have to actually men up. They have to leave the cuck-cups they put on their cocks by the roadside and learn not to intrinsically hate themselves. A counter-movement is forming, but it will still take time (and a few miracles) for it to become an actual Western/Eastern society-wide shifting of priorities and outlooks.

You have to remember, these "men" have been lambasted and humiliated literally everywhere they've set foot inside of for their entire lives. The school system taught them that they're intrinsically evil just because they're men. The media and everyday workplace backed that up - as well as the legal systems - so that everywhere they turn they're told that they're worthless for just being who they were born as.

Essentially an entire generation of porn payers have been sacrificed on the steps of the pay pig temple. The already-born beta-personalities became something even lower - and, likewise, many alphas were transformed into betas.

"Standing up" assumes that these men are us. They aren't. If you showed them a hard BBC DAP scene, they would be confused. Why are the men being so aggressive? Why are they enjoying the sex? Why aren't the women dictating what's happening on the screen? The porn would scare them too much for them to even know what to do with it. A lifetime of hating themselves and having everyone else pretty much hate them as well would have nullified any erection they would've had anyways, never mind not having any clue what the men on the screen were actually doing, and why they were "allowed to get away with it."

I remember years ago - I saw a video of some white teenager apologizing for being white. And I was like ... my fucking God ... what a fucking loser ... But ...

He was just an extremely early and extremely successful example of what the Western world wanted to turn it's men into.

And now ... there's going to be more of these pieces of shit floating down the river of porn consumption.

And if you think they're going to spend one nickel on what we watch, instead of thousands of dollars to a girl's who's going to purposefully treat them like a piece of shit, both behind their back and to their face, just because she's actually talking to them ...

Then you haven't seen how low so many of this generation's men have gone.

Kslvt wrote:Once again, I totally agree with you and I really like the way you push the analysis to the psychological level, because that's the real key to understanding.

I may be expressing myself badly, but let's make sure we understand each other:

I'm fully aware of men's submission to debilitating feminist dictates and their decadence when it comes to accepting their nature and deepest desires.

That's why, at my level, I'm constantly fighting against this imposition of the female goddess just because she's a woman, even more so in the world of porn.
What makes a model desirable and admirable is performance, nothing more, she can be as beautiful as she wants, man we do porn, it's about money so do what I want or I just don't pay.
And I also feel that there's a more general awakening to this state of affairs, but as you said, it's going to take a lot of time.

It will still take time and many miracles for us to start again on healthy and logical bases.

Nothing is more unbearable to me than all these beta cucks and the mentality that goes with them, the whole point of my remarks and therefore to say: Everyone's tastes are ok, but NEVER, NEVER, extreme and hardcore fans must be restrained in their desires and ESPECIALLY submit to the dictates of all the castrates who do not want it to go too far because they do not like it and they think that it harms their beloved goddess who does not has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Everything is money, from the moment we pay, our voice counts, and the voice of hardcore fans must wake up, assert themselves and constantly fight against the casuals who cut off their balls

isis666xxx wrote:i wonder if hyapet has ever heard the saying TL;DR (too long, didnt read)

do a lot of people actually read all those big texts hyapet write????

sorry for me they are too long

if Giorgio would write a big text like that i would read it, but from a peasant no

M_sicas_Candido wrote:I don't think it's fair only to blame so-called emasculated losers for the decline in the quality of pornography today. Stupid people have always existed.

Girls who are starting their careers in OF are very lazy compared to the performers really professionals and are willing to invest in their pornographic career. If you do a quick search you will discover that several professional performers (even those who work(ed) in AV) already had pages in OF, but that was considered by them a secondary job: what they really wanted was to become high-level performers and if they had to challenge their limits, they would. The only way to achieve this is to work in professional studios.

We need to recognize that girls in the current generation want to follow the law of least effort and do not have the same ambitions as those in the previous generation. I confess that this scenario is discouraging. That's why today's MILFs are taking over more and more hardcore productions - at least they're not lazy and are willing to do a decent job.

House MD wrote:There's nothing more retarded than claiming a company went bankrupt or is miserably failing it's business because of it's clients
But hey... I don't either expect the brightest to fly on this website

House MD wrote:There's nothing more retarded than claiming a company went bankrupt or is miserably failing it's business because of it's clients
But hey... I don't either expect the brightest to fly on this website

Mav99ex wrote:

Chimpy.677 wrote:3) When a young and beautiful girl arrives, she goes unnoticed by them and they get to the point (2).

dppfan wrote:How many porn actresses have ya seen following this path here ? A really cute actress that is enjoying the scenes and then 3 scenes later boom a fucking piss/fart/exaggerated Multiple Penetrations ( that will only hurt her physically and she won`t enjoy ) scene that her dumb whore mind couldn`t refuse and then she never shoots again