This forum will soon be dead

[marcoB]

Per Giorgio (and that's fair statement) porn is already dead. Then why some, any forum should survive? No matter how cool place it might be. And anyway, at the end, nobody cares about anything.

you have an URL to this statement?

[2017sucks]

viewtopic.php?p=1271856#p1271856

[dap-addict]

Per Giorgio (and that's fair statement) porn is already dead. Then why some, any forum should survive? No matter how cool place it might be. And anyway, at the end, nobody cares about anything.

you have an URL to this statement?
viewtopic.php?p=1271856#p1271856

I think you are over-interpreting that GIO statement in a negative way.
As far as I can see exactly GIO is still shooting also gangbangs and still importing girls from far away places to work on porn sets in Prague. What he probabely is alluding to is marketing of these scenes and the girls other content and other activities as well as porn sex act going fees unchanged basically since 35years.

Also if Giorgio would really believe porn was dead he wouldn't have re-vived Gonzo creating a GonzO24-studio, would he?

Problem from my consumer and forum poster POV is that because only a minority of customers also post here, producers and PB management sometimes tend to downplay role of forum. While at the same time we have usually 10-20 times silent readers here never posting, but getting influenced by our discussions and sure also buying some of the scenes we post about.
Also Giorgio sees that otherwise he wouldn't post here at all.

[hyapet]

I think Giorgio has a ton of access to what's going on in the market - and probably has tons of friends and people in the know that keep him apprised of the trends that are forming.

When you look at the beauty of the top tier OF content - it's daunting. OF pretty much sucked the porn industry dry of 95% of it's AAA performers that would have more than likely navigated there instead. It's kind of hard to tell a girl to put away the idea of earning millions, having tens of thousands of plebs simping for you and giving you outrageous cash bonuses, all for showing a nipple once a month and on the super special super-high-paywall occasions using a vibrator, so she instead can go and get tossed around and manhandled by a group of unknown men that end up sticking enough cocks up her behind to replicate a baseball bat.

That's a nail in the porn coffin - but not the final one.

That would be AI porn that's coming soon. Which will do the OF what OF did to traditional porn. Imagine uploading an image of the girl you most lust after, telling the computer how to enhance her features to anything you desire, and then taking her through custom-made scenes where, literally, anything is possible.

OF has been crippling for traditional porn. Once we get into 1st generation, never mind 2nd or 3rd generation AI video porn, than ... well, traditional porn will still be a thing. There are folks that crave the authenticity of it. The realness of it. There is something there that both OF and AI cannot replicate.

But the number of studios still open will be significantly, significantly, significantly fewer than what exist today. And the talent who want to line up at them to perform these acts will be even fewer. There will always be some that just crave it - and would do it anyways - because they find it fun. But - that is a vast minority.

OF has completely reconfigured the business side of things. When AI is done completely reconfiguring the consumer side of things - who knows who will be still left standing.

I pray that Giorgio will. As well as Analvids/Pornbox. But ... what that future looks like ... is really anybody's guess.

The only questions left now are how fast this is going to happen, when's it going to happen, and how big is the impact going to be.

Everyone knows the meteor is going to hit. Just not when, where, or how big it will be.

But it is coming.

[netzerkaiser]

There doesn't have to be a meteor. It doesn't matter if another scene is ever released. The back catalogue is so outstanding in terms of unique content, GG, NRFTA, SZ, CZ, that so long is not sold off, is unique to this site.

There are also a few sites here that are contributing regular content of quality & these are to be valued.

Then there are the elements here that can be bought elsewhere, probably cheaper, such as Private & DDF content.

Lastly there are elements, strong elements that are represented on other sites that are not here.

So at worst, LP | AV can scale down, & focus on its great past.

It might be for the best.

But it'll probably mean dropping back to an annual subscription with unlimited downloads, & maybe that's the only realistic place to go at this stage.

[Chimpy.677]

I think Giorgio has a ton of access to what's going on in the market - and probably has tons of friends and people in the know that keep him apprised of the trends that are forming.

When you look at the beauty of the top tier OF content - it's daunting. OF pretty much sucked the porn industry dry of 95% of it's AAA performers that would have more than likely navigated there instead. It's kind of hard to tell a girl to put away the idea of earning millions, having tens of thousands of plebs simping for you and giving you outrageous cash bonuses, all for showing a nipple once a month and on the super special super-high-paywall occasions using a vibrator, so she instead can go and get tossed around and manhandled by a group of unknown men that end up sticking enough cocks up her behind to replicate a baseball bat.

That's a nail in the porn coffin - but not the final one.

That would be AI porn that's coming soon. Which will do the OF what OF did to traditional porn. Imagine uploading an image of the girl you most lust after, telling the computer how to enhance her features to anything you desire, and then taking her through custom-made scenes where, literally, anything is possible.

OF has been crippling for traditional porn. Once we get into 1st generation, never mind 2nd or 3rd generation AI video porn, than ... well, traditional porn will still be a thing. There are folks that crave the authenticity of it. The realness of it. There is something there that both OF and AI cannot replicate.

But the number of studios still open will be significantly, significantly, significantly fewer than what exist today. And the talent who want to line up at them to perform these acts will be even fewer. There will always be some that just crave it - and would do it anyways - because they find it fun. But - that is a vast minority.

OF has completely reconfigured the business side of things. When AI is done completely reconfiguring the consumer side of things - who knows who will be still left standing.

I pray that Giorgio will. As well as Analvids/Pornbox. But ... what that future looks like ... is really anybody's guess.

The only questions left now are how fast this is going to happen, when's it going to happen, and how big is the impact going to be.

Everyone knows the meteor is going to hit. Just not when, where, or how big it will be.

But it is coming.

I honestly don't think it's that exaggerated, and in this very place there is proof of what I say, for example both EK, VG and VK bring young, new and beautiful girls with a certain regularity, For example: Rihanna Black, Virgin Butterfly, Stella Jegante, YaniK, Akina Asmus, Jane White, Aarol Renti, Sia Florence, etc.

What do I mean by this, the girls are there, the problem is that the other big studios don't get them either because they don't know how to look for new talent, they don't want to pay as much or they simply don't look for that type of women because the public doesn't ask for them, That's why we always see the same girls 100 times in the big studios and they are always the same style of woman, which is totally different from the type of women they bring to the EK, VG and VK studios. These last studios were always characterized by bringing young girls, debutants in the industry and very pretty, the complete opposite of GIO, AGO and the last years of GONZO.

[TomHardick]

The forum was down again yesterday, at least for me. I don't know what's happening. Does someone here have reliable info?, a clue of what's going on with the forum. I've said it before, the forum is important and healthy for pornbox, not just for the discussions, but the sales too. I'm pretty sure, i'm not the only one that comes to the forum for cheking the news, instead of the main PB page.

[misangrenegra2]

The forum was down again yesterday, at least for me. I don't know what's happening. Does someone here have reliable info?, a clue of what's going on with the forum. I've said it before, the forum is important and healthy for pornbox, not just for the discussions, but the sales too. I'm pretty sure, i'm not the only one that comes to the forum for cheking the news, instead of the main PB page.

Was down for me too in Friday and Saturday..

[jerrybb]

It's fine today. Maybe an upgrade has taken place.

[dap-addict]

The forum was down again yesterday, at least for me. I don't know what's happening. Does someone here have reliable info?, a clue of what's going on with the forum. I've said it before, the forum is important and healthy for pornbox, not just for the discussions, but the sales too. I'm pretty sure, i'm not the only one that comes to the forum for cheking the news, instead of the main PB page.

Was down for me too in Friday and Saturday..

For me, too!
It's really a shit situation: I have 2 LP porn girl interviews in preparation... also 2 first real complex scene reviews (not only DAP reviews) but with forum working like this and Pornbox not even caring to post new scenes of the 8-12 main AVLP studios in girls model threads anymore, it makes no sense to spend thought and time even!
Same is still that hidden little down left forum link.

Forum being down might indeed be a software issue, but no Pornbox bot updates and hidden forum link is sadly a management decision.
Looks like they do all to sell less items of already payed for videos shot!

[CocosNucifera]

I honestly don't think it's that exaggerated, and in this very place there is proof of what I say, for example both EK, VG and VK bring young, new and beautiful girls with a certain regularity, For example: Rihanna Black, Virgin Butterfly, Stella Jegante, YaniK, Akina Asmus, Jane White, Aarol Renti, Sia Florence, etc.

What do I mean by this, the girls are there, the problem is that the other big studios don't get them either because they don't know how to look for new talent, they don't want to pay as much or they simply don't look for that type of women because the public doesn't ask for them, That's why we always see the same girls 100 times in the big studios and they are always the same style of woman, which is totally different from the type of women they bring to the EK, VG and VK studios. These last studios were always characterized by bringing young girls, debutants in the industry and very pretty, the complete opposite of GIO, AGO and the last years of GONZO.

Very well put into words.

Russian studios are dead. AGO releases a nice since once several months. Other "big studios" just offer old chestnuts.

And perhaps Giorgio Grandi knows what he is talking about. It's, however, a pity that each of his posts is bascially meant to say that we (customers/fans) don't understand anything and that we shoud rather shut up.

And I don't expect him to explain anything. I understand very well he has his job, his obligations, his life and his troubles.

But what's the point of wasting his time to write this kind of messages if he doesn't care to explain anything?

[CocosNucifera]

I think Giorgio has a ton of access to what's going on in the market - and probably has tons of friends and people in the know that keep him apprised of the trends that are forming.

When you look at the beauty of the top tier OF content - it's daunting. OF pretty much sucked the porn industry dry of 95% of it's AAA performers that would have more than likely navigated there instead. It's kind of hard to tell a girl to put away the idea of earning millions, having tens of thousands of plebs simping for you and giving you outrageous cash bonuses, all for showing a nipple once a month and on the super special super-high-paywall occasions using a vibrator, so she instead can go and get tossed around and manhandled by a group of unknown men that end up sticking enough cocks up her behind to replicate a baseball bat.

That's a nail in the porn coffin - but not the final one.

That would be AI porn that's coming soon. Which will do the OF what OF did to traditional porn. Imagine uploading an image of the girl you most lust after, telling the computer how to enhance her features to anything you desire, and then taking her through custom-made scenes where, literally, anything is possible.

OF has been crippling for traditional porn. Once we get into 1st generation, never mind 2nd or 3rd generation AI video porn, than ... well, traditional porn will still be a thing. There are folks that crave the authenticity of it. The realness of it. There is something there that both OF and AI cannot replicate.

But the number of studios still open will be significantly, significantly, significantly fewer than what exist today. And the talent who want to line up at them to perform these acts will be even fewer. There will always be some that just crave it - and would do it anyways - because they find it fun. But - that is a vast minority.

OF has completely reconfigured the business side of things. When AI is done completely reconfiguring the consumer side of things - who knows who will be still left standing.

I pray that Giorgio will. As well as Analvids/Pornbox. But ... what that future looks like ... is really anybody's guess.

The only questions left now are how fast this is going to happen, when's it going to happen, and how big is the impact going to be.

Everyone knows the meteor is going to hit. Just not when, where, or how big it will be.

But it is coming.

Great input. That's exactly how I see it too. The "traditional" porn will stop to be "mainstream" porn. It wil survive just as a product among others.

And this AI thing, if it develops as explained by hyapet, it is not necessairly going to be a bad thing. I mean in porn. I don't care for anything else tbh.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I honestly don't think it's that exaggerated, and in this very place there is proof of what I say, for example both EK, VG and VK bring young, new and beautiful girls with a certain regularity, For example: Rihanna Black, Virgin Butterfly, Stella Jegante, YaniK, Akina Asmus, Jane White, Aarol Renti, Sia Florence, etc.

What do I mean by this, the girls are there, the problem is that the other big studios don't get them either because they don't know how to look for new talent, they don't want to pay as much or they simply don't look for that type of women because the public doesn't ask for them, That's why we always see the same girls 100 times in the big studios and they are always the same style of woman, which is totally different from the type of women they bring to the EK, VG and VK studios. These last studios were always characterized by bringing young girls, debutants in the industry and very pretty, the complete opposite of GIO, AGO and the last years of GONZO.

Very well put into words.

Russian studios are dead. AGO releases a nice since once several months. Other "big studios" just offer old chestnuts.

And perhaps Giorgio Grandi knows what he is talking about. It's, however, a pity that each of his posts is bascially meant to say that we (customers/fans) don't understand anything and that we shoud rather shut up.

And I don't expect him to explain anything. I understand very well he has his job, his obligations, his life and his troubles.

But what's the point of wasting his time to write this kind of messages if he doesn't care to explain anything?

alright
Content Creator have changed the market. They fuck between each other without to involve any money (but each of them gets a copy of the video) and make money on long term selling a cheap membership to their OF just to watch a few content, while the good content need to be paid extra.

I spoke about it years ago. They sell a scene with a boy and a girl for 20+30$, content with production cost equal to ZERO (just a bit of time to create the content) and you know what? they sell it.
Here, where a content literally cost us thousands of dollars, I have been hassled about how much my content are expensive... who say so doesnt understand that the same content produced by a performer with ZERO money involved (every performer gets a copy of the video), would cost in the OF account of each of them, 40-50$.

This is what I said, a change in the market.

The account of most of Top Performer at OF are run by "agents" with "chatters" that are literally chatting in the place of the model with customers. I can not believe customers are not able to understand they are chatting probably with some hairy Indian guy, it is silly. But this bring just a good model to make literally tens of thousands of dollars a month in earnings, why should she came here to my studio to get a big dick in the ass when she can make more money just doing much less?

Good models do not want to be pornstar they want to have their account run by agents and get money in their bank at the end of the month with minimal afford.
Btw, this is totally understandable.

We are going to change our way to work, we cant produce content paying thousands of dollars, when actors can do it without spending a dime.
They are not doing it yet, but they will do it...

[dap-addict]

When you look at the beauty of the top tier OF content - it's daunting. OF pretty much sucked the porn industry dry of 95% of it's AAA performers that would have more than likely navigated there instead. (...) That's a nail in the porn coffin - but not the final one.

That would be AI porn that's coming soon. Which will do the OF what OF did to traditional porn. Imagine uploading an image of the girl you most lust after, telling the computer how to enhance her features to anything you desire, and then taking her through custom-made scenes where, literally, anything is possible.

Well, it's not 95% OF took away and anyway not all porn models would come here.
As for AI you might be right, but there will always be a percentage of porn fans who want real girls to do the real thing. Let's say they are 10% or 20%. For these fans GIO and AGO can still produce what they did and these people will likely pay for that real thing.

And also - because we talk about future of forum and not of porn as such - these consumers need a forum with seasoned uses telling AI porn from real human porn and pointing in the real porn direction, still reviewing real porn sex act with real problems with swallowing, gulping down piss, sustaining fast deep DAP etc.

Maybe gonzo porn market will shrink, but it wont disappear.
And this market still needs an AVLP forum!

[netzerkaiser]

I think you need to be talking about, from a consumer POV... if the site is going south, & if so I'm sorry for your losses - genuinely... we need time to know how long we have to use our remaining tickets... I mean I've over 1000 of them...

Fair question.

[TomHardick]

Sorry, i'm confused right now. I get the OF point and how sites like that are ruining the adult industry; but, what does it have to do with the forum?. So, the main Studios are struggling and they gonna let the forum die?, or i'm misunderstanding the idea?. BTW, i'm that kind of guy who doesn't give a shit about OF content and AI scenes. Without AV, i prefer stop watching porn like forever.

[Dylan.122]

I honestly don't think it's that exaggerated, and in this very place there is proof of what I say, for example both EK, VG and VK bring young, new and beautiful girls with a certain regularity, For example: Rihanna Black, Virgin Butterfly, Stella Jegante, YaniK, Akina Asmus, Jane White, Aarol Renti, Sia Florence, etc.

What do I mean by this, the girls are there, the problem is that the other big studios don't get them either because they don't know how to look for new talent, they don't want to pay as much or they simply don't look for that type of women because the public doesn't ask for them, That's why we always see the same girls 100 times in the big studios and they are always the same style of woman, which is totally different from the type of women they bring to the EK, VG and VK studios. These last studios were always characterized by bringing young girls, debutants in the industry and very pretty, the complete opposite of GIO, AGO and the last years of GONZO.

Very well put into words.

Russian studios are dead. AGO releases a nice since once several months. Other "big studios" just offer old chestnuts.

And perhaps Giorgio Grandi knows what he is talking about. It's, however, a pity that each of his posts is bascially meant to say that we (customers/fans) don't understand anything and that we shoud rather shut up.

And I don't expect him to explain anything. I understand very well he has his job, his obligations, his life and his troubles.

But what's the point of wasting his time to write this kind of messages if he doesn't care to explain anything?

alright
Content Creator have changed the market. They fuck between each other without to involve any money (but each of them gets a copy of the video) and make money on long term selling a cheap membership to their OF just to watch a few content, while the good content need to be paid extra.

I spoke about it years ago. They sell a scene with a boy and a girl for 20+30$, content with production cost equal to ZERO (just a bit of time to create the content) and you know what? they sell it.
Here, where a content literally cost us thousands of dollars, I have been hassled about how much my content are expensive... who say so doesnt understand that the same content produced by a performer with ZERO money involved (every performer gets a copy of the video), would cost in the OF account of each of them, 40-50$.

This is what I said, a change in the market.

The account of most of Top Performer at OF are run by "agents" with "chatters" that are literally chatting in the place of the model with customers. I can not believe customers are not able to understand they are chatting probably with some hairy Indian guy, it is silly. But this bring just a good model to make literally tens of thousands of dollars a month in earnings, why should she came here to my studio to get a big dick in the ass when she can make more money just doing much less?

Good models do not want to be pornstar they want to have their account run by agents and get money in their bank at the end of the month with minimal afford.
Btw, this is totally understandable.

We are going to change our way to work, we cant produce content paying thousands of dollars, when actors can do it without spending a dime.
They are not doing it yet, but they will do it...

Giorgio, for information, no more updates of new scenes on each model topic on the "models" forum

[CocosNucifera]

@Giorgio

Thank You for taking, again, Your time and for explaining this in a un understandable manner. Appreciated.

[dap-addict]

Sorry, i'm confused right now. I get the OF point and how sites like that are ruining the adult industry; but, what does it have to do with the forum?. So, the main Studios are struggling and they gonna let the forum die?

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[Giorgio Grandi]

Sorry, i'm confused right now. I get the OF point and how sites like that are ruining the adult industry; but, what does it have to do with the forum?. So, the main Studios are struggling and they gonna let the forum die?, or i'm misunderstanding the idea?. BTW, i'm that kind of guy who doesn't give a shit about OF content and AI scenes. Without AV, i prefer stop watching porn like forever.

ok.
I dont think there is the plan to close the forum now (in future I dont know)

[Dylan.122]

Sorry, i'm confused right now. I get the OF point and how sites like that are ruining the adult industry; but, what does it have to do with the forum?. So, the main Studios are struggling and they gonna let the forum die?, or i'm misunderstanding the idea?. BTW, i'm that kind of guy who doesn't give a shit about OF content and AI scenes. Without AV, i prefer stop watching porn like forever.

ok.
I dont think there is the plan to close the forum now (in future I dont know)

Giorgio, what do you think of leather ? would you like to dress girls with more leather, with leather boots ?

[hyapet]

The account of most of Top Performer at OF are run by "agents" with "chatters" that are literally chatting in the place of the model with customers. I can not believe customers are not able to understand they are chatting probably with some hairy Indian guy, it is silly. But this bring just a good model to make literally tens of thousands of dollars a month in earnings, why should she came here to my studio to get a big dick in the ass when she can make more money just doing much less?

Ah, but that's the reality of all porn. Even yours, Giorgio.

Every man sitting behind his computer with his bottle of lotion and box of Kleenex is using their imagination in some way. They have to. Or else, they would recognize that they're sitting in front of a screen with lotion on their hand, and not letting one go into the face of a twenty year old beauty queen. Reality dictates they would be arrested for looking at her, never mind talking to her. Imagination makes them the 6'5 black dude with a 15 inch penis.

Everyone deep down knows that the girl who hovers her hands above the keyboard isn't really talking to them. Just as they know they aren't the 6'5 black guy. Doesn't stop their credit card from being right besides the Kleenex box.

Just as the typical porn watcher is a degradation of the normal upright citizen (sorry fellas), the typical OF content watcher is a degradation of the typical porn watcher. One was the pathway to the other.

Pretending that you're having sex when you watch other people having sex makes the road to pretending said performer actually acknowledges your existence possible. It's like the next-level kink in a forever downward spiral of hating yourself.

Now - that is particularly rough on both traditional porn creators and consumers - but there is truth to it. I'm not saying this because I (would then, ironically) hate myself or others that watch or produce - but because there is truth to it - and to figure out what's going on here we would need to be honest about all the circumstances.

AI porn might be the salvaging touch to all of this. It makes it pure, 100% fantasy. The performer isn't actually there anymore. Meaning, you aren't putting yourself into a lower position with regards to being able to watch them have sex, but not actually have sex with them yourself. You aren't degrading and devaluing yourself with regards to another human being anymore. The entire enterprise is now entirely private.

I saw you guys (Pornbox, Analvids) tried to get into 3D animation in the past. That ... obviously didn't produce anything good. Not because you guys aren't talented at it, but because 3D animation porn is just completely awful in general. I've yet to see but one or two videos where it was done well. And that's out of having seen the thumbnails for tens of thousands. It's something that never matured beyond the first step.

But AI porn ... that is different. It's still first generation. But right as it gets to the second or third generation - where it could truly be seen as being real - that would be the time to jump in. Get an actual team (which costs $$$) that can put together the absolute best set(s). Have all of your porn producers, the best of the best, work with the AI artists to develop and create your own batch of girls. Realistic, with flaws. Not hyper-sexualized. Not outrageously proportioned. True beauty, with that indescribable je ne sais quoi. With the freedom that brings - write scenes (hire voice actors) that use costumes, dangerous scenarios, all the things that would take both time and money to do in real life, and have the AI porn make the intro of these scenes with a story-element that, while in no way lengthy or overstaying its welcome, sets the pace perfectly for the upcoming scene.

Example: have a just-turned 18 thin but busty blonde school girl get in trouble with the wrong people in town. They put her to work in their brothel. And now, everyone from rival black gangs expecting payment to old dirty lecherous men with disgusting fantasies and habits, come to put the girl through her paces. Making the one set - with just the one girl (who then could be traded out for different girls in different story lines in the future - all based on the same premise) - can in turn produce 20 to 30+ scenes.

That's just for that one girl. You get to do this with as many girls as you can imagine. If it looks real - which AI porn does - then the sky is the absolute limit.

Probably an outrageous down payment to start the whole ball rolling. After that? An endless stream of content produced for you - almost all for free. No female talent to pay at all anymore.

That's the future, Giorgio. It ain't the same as what you've got. It's not even better. But from a price perspective - and a money generating perspective - it's 100% secure.

Sure beats the hell out of OF, that's for sure.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I, and my partner(s), will always prefer the real authentic porn experience than some AI generated fantasy.

We are in the 20% or whatever minority that will always PAY for premium, top tier quality porn that is done by real people.

There will always be a market for that. In fact, I think (and hope) that legislation gets much tougher on OF.
If, or when that happens...real porn will be back to its golden era again.

[netzerkaiser]

I, and my partner(s), will always prefer the real authentic porn experience than some AI generated fantasy.

We are in the 20% or whatever minority that will always PAY for premium, top tier quality porn that is done by real people.

There will always be a market for that. In fact, I think (and hope) that legislation gets much tougher on OF.
If, or when that happens...real porn will be back to its golden era again.

A1 is a joke from what I've seen. Titanic was a joke, Troy was a joke... any intelligent person could see it was a joke... the original Star Wars, & Kubrick's 2001 space odyssey did it so much better on minimal budget...

Don't worry, AI is a joke.

[hyapet]

I, and my partner(s), will always prefer the real authentic porn experience than some AI generated fantasy.

We are in the 20% or whatever minority that will always PAY for premium, top tier quality porn that is done by real people.

There will always be a market for that. In fact, I think (and hope) that legislation gets much tougher on OF.
If, or when that happens...real porn will be back to its golden era again.

A1 is a joke from what I've seen. Titanic was a joke, Troy was a joke... any intelligent person could see it was a joke... the original Star Wars, & Kubrick's 2001 space odyssey did it so much better on minimal budget...

Don't worry, AI is a joke.

Your examples don't line up to reality. It doesn't ... line up to anything, really.

I'm not saying this because you seemingly disagree with me - but rather, because, well ... it just doesn't seem to add up to anything. Let's fully understand for a moment what we're dealing with here.

We are dealing with a system that is continuously learning. Given the parameters and rules that it's been ordered to follow (which, it can in turn teach itself to work around). We're dealing with something that is actually smart, as in, smart like a person.

Next - we have something that can compile and use hundreds of trillions of examples, failed attempts, and outrageous successes simultaneously. It's like we created a gigantic, science-fiction porn brain, and every image we feed it, every input we give to it, every experimental thing we try to get it to do, it gets smarter, better, and stronger.

The length of improvement the field has seen within like ... eight months ... is absolutely insane. It went from gaudy, non-believeable, obviously fake outputs to stuff where now, you have to blink and look real close to see if it's real or not.

That's with pictures created by Chat-GTP 3. Chat-GTP 4 is a whole 'nother ball game. It was so realistic, they pretty much had to take it off the market immediately. They were like ... man ... let's keep people using Chat-GTP 3 for a while longer. But ... without their realizing it ... Chat-GTP 3 is getting to that level by itself anyways. It's constantly learning. Constantly taking in every input on how to change images - and keeping notes of when people stop asking for improvements to them - knowing when it hit the jackpot.

And these aren't just porn models, either. These are everybody. And not just being undressed - but being told to put in different body positions in their ordinary photos - just ... everything. That super-sized brain is getting exponentially smarter as every day ticks away.

They've already started on videos now, too. They're really only at the GIF level - but now AI is learning how to create natural fluid movement. It can keep different profiles for every different character type - from innocent to sultry to complete degrading whore - and will be able to copy and convey their movements perfectly soon. As well as mimicking how natural light reflects and bounces and changes their features.

What this can already accomplish is pretty insane. People are making their own video trailers with the same classic movies that you referenced. There are tons of Indiana Jones trailers for a sixth movie - with all new scenes - comprised completely with AI. This isn't just replacing the face anymore - this is creating new material wholesale from never touched before cloth. This is getting ... pretty nuts.

This, as a system, that is continuously improving, building, making itself more versatile and capable, with a catalog of billions of different faces and body types, and understanding the language different people use to request those features. This is getting to science fiction levels.

Within a year or two - we're talking videos that are indistinguishable from real life. Like - completely so. People will be doing challenges where they have to guess whether or not it's fake - and the overall results will show that people won't.

Giorgio more than knows that actresses in the industry can be ... problematic at times. I'm not casting insults or shade - but the more power an individual has over their career - the more surprises they can throw in front of the producer. Typically, this comes about in wanting more money. The better an actress is received, the more that she sells, the more that she will want in return.

This is completely understandable. It makes sense. There is no condemnation here for that.

But it presents a reality to folks like Giorgio that makes the production of these scenes very tricky at times. The resulting pay-off makes it more than worth it. There will always be a market for real porn. I feel stupid even saying that - that wasn't even my argument that there wouldn't be - but ...

There are only so many porn dollars out there. There are increasingly larger numbers of people sitting down at the table all wanting a slice of that same sized pie. There are many more options. A scene that used to generate XXXXX amount of cash, might in this new day and age only generate XXXX amount of cash back.

This happens in all fields. From medicine to transportation. Everyone who is used to the old model sticks by the old model because ... well, that's what they know. They swear it will prevail. But ... using that example ... how many people are going around New York City these days on a horse? There's still a few - no doubt - but the petrol stations and car manufacturers tended to walk away with the greater slice of that pie. That would be fair to say.

Analvids/Pornbox have been really smart in how they've tried to approach all the different avenues of porn creation in the past. The 3D animation porn might not have been that great (to no fault of their own - simply a factor of working within that medium) - but - at least they tried.

If they were smart - they would pool all of their producers together - and come up with a plan on how to approach this once it gets into the big time. Something like - make an investment in several different pre-existing AI-systems that have, between them, trillions of user inputs and data collected on how to properly form models and create realistic everything(s). Then, have all the producers work with the producers to create a series of simply stunning models who would be considered the absolute top tier of any AI/traditional porn/OF network. Then - start producing believable scenes that really highlight the epitome of porn production they already know about - and just create some absolutely incredible videos.

The great thing about it is that it's an iterative process. You have an idea what you want - and then the AI model might get 55% of it right, 40% of it wrong, and give you 5% better than you could have imagined by being something completely different than what you even asked for. You take that 40% and rework it until you have 100% of what you want. Then, you save the model, and begin putting it through scenes that you likewise have already constructed (just "insert" the model into it).

In terms of production - you can probably really get the process down to a fine art - producing a twenty minute scene in a day or two. That may seem like a lot - but you can afford it seeing that you've essentially created a AAA+++ actress for yourself - who doesn't need to be paid. The scenes, with time, will only be produced quicker and with higher levels of detail and quality.

We aren't there just yet. But the idea that this would've even been a thing was completely unthinkable less than a year ago.

At the end of the day - it all comes down to money. The market is there. AI is booming now for a reason. That reason being? Porn. The same reason computers and the Internet took off.

I agree - traditional porn will never go away. The only question really is ...

How big do you want your pie slice to be?

[TomHardick]

Sorry, i'm confused right now. I get the OF point and how sites like that are ruining the adult industry; but, what does it have to do with the forum?. So, the main Studios are struggling and they gonna let the forum die?, or i'm misunderstanding the idea?. BTW, i'm that kind of guy who doesn't give a shit about OF content and AI scenes. Without AV, i prefer stop watching porn like forever.

ok.
I dont think there is the plan to close the forum now (in future I dont know)

Thank you very much for the answer Giorgio. I hope closing the forum is not in the planes of the big studios. You know there are loyal people here, that prefers real content, professional productions like yours instead of AI or OF amateur crap. I hope the situation gets better for GIO, the forum and the fans.

[hyapet]

Sorry, i'm confused right now. I get the OF point and how sites like that are ruining the adult industry; but, what does it have to do with the forum?. So, the main Studios are struggling and they gonna let the forum die?, or i'm misunderstanding the idea?. BTW, i'm that kind of guy who doesn't give a shit about OF content and AI scenes. Without AV, i prefer stop watching porn like forever.

ok.
I dont think there is the plan to close the forum now (in future I dont know)

Thank you very much for the answer Giorgio. I hope closing the forum is not in the planes of the big studios. You know there are loyal people here, that prefers real content, professional productions like yours instead of AI or OF amateur crap. I hope the situation gets better for GIO, the forum and the fans.

You seem to be implying that I prefer either AI or OF.

Where did I ever say I had a preference for either of those?

You seem to be the kind of person that gets upset at the weatherman when he tells you it's gonna rain.

[dap-addict]

WTF, for me forum was down again most of yesterday.
Somebody with the same problems?

Btw, they might not want to close forum down now, but they do all to shy people away from discussions. While in other forum I just spotted GIO plans for end of month, incl. girls he will shoot. It's not even affiliated with Pornbox, but there it is, but here not!

[hyapet]

WTF, for me forum was down again most of yesterday.
Somebody with the same problems?

Btw, they might not want to close forum down now, but they do all to shy people away from discussions. While in other forum I just spotted GIO plans for end of month, incl. girls he will shoot. It's not even affiliated with Pornbox, but there it is, but here not!

It was working for me.

As for posting content in other forums first - that's a good way to get new customers to come aboard. To get the people that wouldn't have otherwise checked it out to maybe drop by, check it out, and (who knows) spend some cash.

The forum here has two things going for it that would make what GIO did smart. The first is that this is the home for all the diehard Analvids/Pornbox watchers. We're going to be here anyways. lol

The second is that - much to Pornbox's credit - they don't clamp down on the folks who say things here. It doesn't matter what. I've seen people say thinks that looked like they were borderline drunk. Other people are like, "Somebody tell the moron who shoots these scenes to get some talent or find another job!" Even I give my honest opinion, which is just that, honest, and I've never once been hassled or silenced or told to shut up. So - that's honestly like, old-school internet right there. It's great.

But, it can be a pit of vipers at times. Maybe it's understandable you don't want to post teasers for what's coming up, have it shat upon, and then have potential customers come through here reading it. Not that everyone here is horrible or anything like that - but ... there is an "X" factor that can be unpredictable.

It's understandable. I'm not taking sides or anything - but, I don't really see it as a reflection of the health of the forum itself.

[doraemon_washington]

I, and my partner(s), will always prefer the real authentic porn experience than some AI generated fantasy.

We are in the 20% or whatever minority that will always PAY for premium, top tier quality porn that is done by real people.

There will always be a market for that. In fact, I think (and hope) that legislation gets much tougher on OF.
If, or when that happens...real porn will be back to its golden era again.

A1 is a joke from what I've seen. Titanic was a joke, Troy was a joke... any intelligent person could see it was a joke... the original Star Wars, & Kubrick's 2001 space odyssey did it so much better on minimal budget...

Don't worry, AI is a joke.

Your examples don't line up to reality. It doesn't ... line up to anything, really.

I'm not saying this because you seemingly disagree with me - but rather, because, well ... it just doesn't seem to add up to anything. Let's fully understand for a moment what we're dealing with here.

We are dealing with a system that is continuously learning. Given the parameters and rules that it's been ordered to follow (which, it can in turn teach itself to work around). We're dealing with something that is actually smart, as in, smart like a person.

Next - we have something that can compile and use hundreds of trillions of examples, failed attempts, and outrageous successes simultaneously. It's like we created a gigantic, science-fiction porn brain, and every image we feed it, every input we give to it, every experimental thing we try to get it to do, it gets smarter, better, and stronger.

The length of improvement the field has seen within like ... eight months ... is absolutely insane. It went from gaudy, non-believeable, obviously fake outputs to stuff where now, you have to blink and look real close to see if it's real or not.

That's with pictures created by Chat-GTP 3. Chat-GTP 4 is a whole 'nother ball game. It was so realistic, they pretty much had to take it off the market immediately. They were like ... man ... let's keep people using Chat-GTP 3 for a while longer. But ... without their realizing it ... Chat-GTP 3 is getting to that level by itself anyways. It's constantly learning. Constantly taking in every input on how to change images - and keeping notes of when people stop asking for improvements to them - knowing when it hit the jackpot.

And these aren't just porn models, either. These are everybody. And not just being undressed - but being told to put in different body positions in their ordinary photos - just ... everything. That super-sized brain is getting exponentially smarter as every day ticks away.

They've already started on videos now, too. They're really only at the GIF level - but now AI is learning how to create natural fluid movement. It can keep different profiles for every different character type - from innocent to sultry to complete degrading whore - and will be able to copy and convey their movements perfectly soon. As well as mimicking how natural light reflects and bounces and changes their features.

What this can already accomplish is pretty insane. People are making their own video trailers with the same classic movies that you referenced. There are tons of Indiana Jones trailers for a sixth movie - with all new scenes - comprised completely with AI. This isn't just replacing the face anymore - this is creating new material wholesale from never touched before cloth. This is getting ... pretty nuts.

This, as a system, that is continuously improving, building, making itself more versatile and capable, with a catalog of billions of different faces and body types, and understanding the language different people use to request those features. This is getting to science fiction levels.

Within a year or two - we're talking videos that are indistinguishable from real life. Like - completely so. People will be doing challenges where they have to guess whether or not it's fake - and the overall results will show that people won't.

Giorgio more than knows that actresses in the industry can be ... problematic at times. I'm not casting insults or shade - but the more power an individual has over their career - the more surprises they can throw in front of the producer. Typically, this comes about in wanting more money. The better an actress is received, the more that she sells, the more that she will want in return.

This is completely understandable. It makes sense. There is no condemnation here for that.

But it presents a reality to folks like Giorgio that makes the production of these scenes very tricky at times. The resulting pay-off makes it more than worth it. There will always be a market for real porn. I feel stupid even saying that - that wasn't even my argument that there wouldn't be - but ...

There are only so many porn dollars out there. There are increasingly larger numbers of people sitting down at the table all wanting a slice of that same sized pie. There are many more options. A scene that used to generate XXXXX amount of cash, might in this new day and age only generate XXXX amount of cash back.

This happens in all fields. From medicine to transportation. Everyone who is used to the old model sticks by the old model because ... well, that's what they know. They swear it will prevail. But ... using that example ... how many people are going around New York City these days on a horse? There's still a few - no doubt - but the petrol stations and car manufacturers tended to walk away with the greater slice of that pie. That would be fair to say.

Analvids/Pornbox have been really smart in how they've tried to approach all the different avenues of porn creation in the past. The 3D animation porn might not have been that great (to no fault of their own - simply a factor of working within that medium) - but - at least they tried.

If they were smart - they would pool all of their producers together - and come up with a plan on how to approach this once it gets into the big time. Something like - make an investment in several different pre-existing AI-systems that have, between them, trillions of user inputs and data collected on how to properly form models and create realistic everything(s). Then, have all the producers work with the producers to create a series of simply stunning models who would be considered the absolute top tier of any AI/traditional porn/OF network. Then - start producing believable scenes that really highlight the epitome of porn production they already know about - and just create some absolutely incredible videos.

The great thing about it is that it's an iterative process. You have an idea what you want - and then the AI model might get 55% of it right, 40% of it wrong, and give you 5% better than you could have imagined by being something completely different than what you even asked for. You take that 40% and rework it until you have 100% of what you want. Then, you save the model, and begin putting it through scenes that you likewise have already constructed (just "insert" the model into it).

In terms of production - you can probably really get the process down to a fine art - producing a twenty minute scene in a day or two. That may seem like a lot - but you can afford it seeing that you've essentially created a AAA+++ actress for yourself - who doesn't need to be paid. The scenes, with time, will only be produced quicker and with higher levels of detail and quality.

We aren't there just yet. But the idea that this would've even been a thing was completely unthinkable less than a year ago.

At the end of the day - it all comes down to money. The market is there. AI is booming now for a reason. That reason being? Porn. The same reason computers and the Internet took off.

I agree - traditional porn will never go away. The only question really is ...

How big do you want your pie slice to be?

sorry but i aint reading all that bible

i would only read a big text from xxx, giorgio, oscar batty, stacy bloom or the other high profile people in the forum

[deerenbung]

We are dealing with a system that is continuously learning.

This is not true.

We're dealing with something that is actually smart, as in, smart like a person.

This is really not true.

Chat-GTP 3 is getting to that level by itself anyways. It's constantly learning. Constantly taking in every input on how to change images - and keeping notes of when people stop asking for improvements to them - knowing when it hit the jackpot.

This is very very not true.

It's like we created a gigantic, science-fiction porn brain, and every image we feed it, every input we give to it, every experimental thing we try to get it to do, it gets smarter, better, and stronger.

This is kinda true but based on everything else, I'm concerned what you think is happening isn't exactly this.

The length of improvement the field has seen within like ... eight months ... is absolutely insane. It went from gaudy, non-believeable, obviously fake outputs to stuff where now, you have to blink and look real close to see if it's real or not.

Now this one I can get behind. If you asked me a year ago I would not have predicted AI would get where it is today any time soon.

But I do want to be clear about how it actually works.

When you prompt a model, that model does not learn from what you tell it. It will not be able to remember what you told it the next day, and if you maintain a single conversation with Chat GPT for too long it will forget how the conversation started because it can only hold so much context at once. It's easy to prove this, the original Chat GPT 3 didn't know about anything that happened after 2019 and when they released 3.5 it included stuff from up to 2021.

OpenAI are absolutely taking record of the things you mention but the results of that will only come out in future models. All improvements we've seen to Chat GPT so far have been learning to use it better, or putting a prettier front on it.

The fact is that training models is much harder than using them. This is why a Stable Diffusion model (the only "AI" I've got hands-on experience with) can be a few gigabytes in size and generate images in seconds when according to Wikipedia it took 150,000 GPU hours to train on hundreds of TB of images. Training a model for more specific tasks on top of an existing one is easier, sure, but still much more intensive than generating an image.

At the end of the day it's not smart like a person is at all. "AI" as it currently stands is a giant ball of statistics with no knowledge besides a vague representation of a slice of the internet. So the fact that it can do what it does is pretty crazy! But if we want to make AI that is "smart like a person" we'll need at least one more paradigm shift to produce models that truly learn and grow in real time.

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Sorry for derailing. This maybe could have gone in its own thread but starting a whole topic to respond to one post felt rude. hyapet, feel free to make one and we can carry on there.

[UnBaba]

I dont think so, and i'm new here !

[otto1219]

The market is finally catching up with the technology and the reality of what pornography actually IS to most of the viewing market...in text

Giorgio Grandi said

Content Creator have changed the market. They fuck between each other without to involve any money (but each of them gets a copy of the video) and make money on long term selling a cheap membership to their OF just to watch a few content, while the good content need to be paid extra.

Yes the "market" has changed, and you know what? That is just fine for the majority of viewers. They applaud it. It's porn, and that transcends any so-called "business model" by "studios." It's porn. The major players are focused on the business of porn, rather than the visceral appeal of lust on video. Watching people fuck, get fucked, pussy, ass, throat, lesbian, bdsm, lingerie, romantic or hard, solo, dildo, couples, threesomes etc—all of that can be done on a shoestring budget, even free, maybe with a good camera, maybe with an iPhone. It is easy to produce a scene—I hesitate calling it a "product" because that is what the "studios" produce, not so the free sites, the OF clones, etc. They make porn. People do not need "studios" for that. Anyone who's shot personal "home movies" knows how easy, and satisfying, it can be. The actors, probably better called "participants," are just as or often MORE attractive. A typical viewer's porn appetites are EASILY satisfied by what is available free, even if it is sometimes cut short pointing you to some website. Yes, there are ugly people and trash out there, but the supply is so great, and increasing daily, that anyone can search and find something satisfactory, often lots. It's just porn, maybe the easiest "art form" to make, so regular people can and do. To get more specific, too few viewers care about some white set, or some heavily tattooed chick they've seen many many times with the same guys, or a wet version or a dry version. Boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife, amateur fucking, sucking, gangbang, etc shot with a go pro on a tripod and an iPhone are just fine and are often preferable because of the more raw visuals...it looks more natural, more pornographic, and no one cares it was done in a motel. Focus, composition, transitions are often done better than the major studios, lighting is usually just as good...and the lust/passion looks, and probably IS, far more genuine.

I spoke about it years ago. They sell a scene with a boy and a girl for 20+30$, content with production cost equal to ZERO (just a bit of time to create the content) and you know what? they sell it.
Here, where a content literally cost us thousands of dollars, I have been hassled about how much my content are expensive... who say so doesnt understand that the same content produced by a performer with ZERO money involved (every performer gets a copy of the video), would cost in the OF account of each of them, 40-50$.

A studio's costs are self imposed, and porn can be had for free. You are saying that is a problem, ie you cannot get back your investment on what you produce. That is not anyone's fault but the producers and directors who choose to produce porn that way. Maybe look at what and how you produce? And a huge point is being missed. The money it costs a studio to produce is a totally different issue. It is irrelevant to twhat people want in porn. They just want porn. TBC, most viewers don't care about the expenses and do not see the pornographic value of what those expenses produce. To many it is NOT better porn simply because of the expense to produce, and, again, we are talking about pornography, not DUNE 3. Shooting porn can be really easy, it doesn't need ANY professional input; isn't that exactly what you lament?. Any suggestion that without the major studios spending so much to produce a porn video—or, in fact, their very existence, that somehow porn will die is absurd. It's pornography; people have made porn for thousands of years, and they have gotten remarkably better at it, to where we are today. Porn will survive no matter what.
I add that there are some GG offshoots, like AssLickers, The WonderToys, Fisting Lessons, that surely have lower production costs...and they are good porn, certainly good enough for the typical porn consumer, maybe look there?

[visigoth2020260]

Is not going to die, nor is OF going to kill anyone.
But as i have stated in many of my posts, porn is more than just fucking and OF is delivering some of that. I am glad that producers are starting to acknowledge the situation.

OF is bigtime sucky, but they are delivering what viewers have been longing for; therefore, you can all clearly see that porn is more than obliterating and ass or the continued up-close shooting; viewers want beauty; they want to be engaged; it does not matter if it is some dude from Pakistan, as it is all an illusion and a dream.

I will still offer my guidance for $1000 a month
Take me now, or be sorry later.

https://www.redgifs.com/watch/superbtat ... hwaterclam

A big shout-out to my man, dap-addict.

[dap-addict]

I add that there are some GG offshoots, like AssLickers, The WonderToys, Fisting Lessons, that surely have lower production costs...and they are good porn, certainly good enough for the typical porn consumer, maybe look there?

What is the typical porn consumer?
I'm not sure you know it, but I am sure you know how to portray him according to your needs. But please remember we have also thousands of porn users raised on Anabolic's Gangbang dvds and JYls Assman, 21 Sextury DPs and RLS/PXP Eurodap films. Now this level of well orchestrated and visible double penetrations I dont get in amateur videos!

But besides, this tread is about the survival of this great forum!

[Jocke]

Yes, I was just concerned that the link here was intentionally removed in order to let the forum die out or at least prevent new members to join.

The future of porn is as with every other product in a market dependant on supply and demand. For sure there will be porn in the future and probably better porn than there is today.

Apparently OF is currently successful, probably because they deliver something of competitive value. I am sure studios can fight back if they learn to understand the attration of OF.

[drevokocur66]

Yes, I was just concerned that the link here was intentionally removed in order to let the forum die out or at least prevent new members to join.

The future of porn is as with every other product in a market dependant on supply and demand. For sure there will be porn in the future and probably better porn than there is today.

Apparently OF is currently successful, probably because they deliver something of competitive value. I am sure studios can fight back if they learn to understand the attration of OF.

Interaction.

[visigoth2020260]

9/10 Commercial communication
My video contains paid promotion like a product placement, sponsorship or endorsement
If you accepted anything of value from a third party to make your video, you must let us know. We will show users a message that tells them your video contains paid promotion.

Now that XVideos is working with us,
I would like to promote your videos and brand. Be my sponsor.
Just message me on xvideos.

I am about to hit that million views; help me achieve it. Let's go for it. I count on you.
https://www.xvideos.com/video.udhvodd98 ... ng._ltp432.

You can always opt for the $1000 monthly package, all included.
This is getting real; let that money roll both ways.

[visigoth2020260]

You can no longer shoot porn all alone.
Advertising baby in new ways.

Starting from the bottom, soon the whole family will be fucking here.
need sponsors for that.

[dap-addict]

A big shout-out to my man, dap-addict.

Well, same to you, Visigoth!
I was afraid disturbances in your place got you in badly maybe, too. Good to finally see you back here! Btw, please answer my porn studio vs. car poll question if you come by!