Perspective

[Sir Noel]

Been following the comments recently and it feels like the demands/requests are escalating in what, to me at least, seems like an unrealistic way.

I don't want to sound like a bore but I just think we need a bit of perspective and realistic expectations. This is a website where anal sex - the high water mark for most porn sites - is what gets a model through the door. It is the starting point.
Like many here I LOVE the craziness, the piss drinking, the double anal, the gangbangs, the very hard and often 100% anal scenes.
However, I think we need a bit of a reality check. Almost every thread I read now, almost as soon as a new girl comes through the doors (or even before) there are demands for 7on1 DAP bukkake and piss extravaganzas. Remember these girls are human beings and requests of this nature are a serious undertaking. Up until very recently double anal was seen as something that took a huge amount of experience for a porn girl to build up to. Now it seems to be something demanded for a second scene!
All I am saying is to be realistic. This site seems to have taken things to a new level with insane amounts of DAP and piss - I personally am amazed how many of the girls they have talked in to it and it makes me realise how much we have missed out on over the years (imagine if LP had existed in its present form for ten years how many of the great euro pornstars would have done the things we are seeing today) - but the constant demand for more and more sooner and sooner has gotten to the point it sounds way beyond realistic.

Some girls will be able to give us that DAP and piss deepthroat bukkake gangbang but for most it will be something that takes a lot of building up to, physically and in terms of confidence and some damned hot scenes can be filmed that are just a 'vanilla' assfuck :-)

PS: That said, and with all credit to the likes of xxx and his crew and now GG etc, IDO feel one obvious area we are missing out on here is decent anal fisting. I have seen enough Kink scenes to know that most of these girls who do DAP fairly comfortably are more than capable of taking another girl's hand wrist deep (and a fist/cock DP) yet there has only been one or two scenes with proper fisting (past the knuckle) and that seems a bit of a wasted opportunity.
I would be amazed if anal fisting wouldn't be a big scene seller.

[analsexonly]

I love extreme anal and want to keep seeing lots of that when the talent is willing and able, but when that isn't possible I'm happy with anal/oral only 0% pussy scenes as well.

[tgcfc26]

Well said, plum, I couldn't agree more.

[dap-addict]

I generally agree with you, sir!

Remember these girls are human beings and requests of this nature are a serious undertaking. Up until very recently double anal was seen as something that took a huge amount of experience for a porn girl to build up to. Now it seems to be something demanded for a second scene!

...but DAP is not for every porn rookie a question of experience. You seem to forget that quite a few of the Golden Age porn girls like Sandra Romain, Gina Blonde, Bibi Fox etc. started DAP really early in their porn careers. Some even did dap their first porn shot ever like Alysa. But she is exceptional, sure!
Anyway, I dont think its a wrong tactic for xxx/SOS/GG to ask the girls wheter they feel like trying dap as early as possible.
Also, especially in Russia, girls are used to do on set what they are told to do or booked for.
This said of course most girls wont be able to perform dap in their 2nd porn scene, especially if they arent anally experienced in their private sex life.
I know that, I am realistic and you can just check my comments in the Nataly Gold thread for instance. DAP is difficult...sure!

[Sir Noel]

Nothing agaisnt asking and encouraging, I am sure that is what has moved this site as far as it has (as well as changing the 'norm', I think when you see many others have done something the request seems both less weird and more achievable). What I am talking about is silly demands and false expectations, which sound at times as if a gorgeous girl getting two or three guys fucking her hard in the ass is somehow not good enough. Sure, my friend, we both enjoy those moments and scenes that go even further but let us not set the entry bar so high as to make it out of reach for all but the very occasional girl.
I am more than certain that GG and xxx (i wont mention SOS, I have never understood him) will make sure not to miss a trick and will already be exploring the how fars and how fasts with each girl.

[ElJab78]

Nothing agaisnt asking and encouraging, I am sure that is what has moved this site as far as it has (as well as changing the 'norm', I think when you see many others have done something the request seems both less weird and more achievable). What I am talking about is silly demands and false expectations, which sound at times as if a gorgeous girl getting two or three guys fucking her hard in the ass is somehow not good enough. Sure, my friend, we both enjoy those moments and scenes that go even further but let us not set the entry bar so high as to make it out of reach for all but the very occasional girl.
I am more than certain that GG and xxx (i wont mention SOS, I have never understood him) will make sure not to miss a trick and will already be exploring the how fars and how fasts with each girl.

Gotta agree with plum here also. When a new girl starts off here it seems everyone on this site demands a DAP piss scene 7 on 1 whatever. I just want to say chill. Like they were doing some 1 on 1 scenes with anal on new girls and everyone was like why only 1 why not 3-4 guys and why no DAP blah blah blah. I'd like seeing new girls paired with girls who've already done a few scenes that way they get used to getting into the harder scenes. It seems for some members here the girl has to do DAP with piss and what not or they shouldnt be on the site which is silly. As long as the girl does anal there is no reason why she shouldn't be on the site. A bigger plus if she is ok with Kreme since us Kreme fans have been shafted recently with very few scenes released. What made LP great was the great variety of scenes and series. You had great 1 on 1 scenes, great lesbian scenes, great milk and kreme scenes, great 2 on 2 scenes and 2 on 3 scenes. And great 2 on 1 and 3 on 1 scenes. Along with the great PMAO series. Now it seems like LP is pretty much only doing 3 on 1 scenes, 4 on 1, 8 it all, and even GG who did a lot of 2 on 2 and 1 on 2 scenes is now getting onto the 7 on 1 gangbang stuff. LP is def shifting from variety into one type of porn (varieties of gangbangs). It seems like maybe at the most 15% of scenes are now with at 2 girls, and a lot of those are with piss so if you include without piss it might be only 5% of what is being released. And there is no lesbian/lesbi gaper stuff at all anymore. Its a shame.

[gapefan]

I could not agree more. Well spoken sirnoelplum.

I'm all for more DAP, but not at the expense of missing out on the beautiful models who are working towards it, but haven't yet reached that level.

[dap-addict]

+ 1

Still, please no out-dated slow career building attitude anymore!
Please no backlash to pre-LP softcore Prague!
Please in Russia: Always try to book DAP!

[Giorgio Grandi]

Been following the comments recently and it feels like the demands/requests are escalating in what, to me at least, seems like an unrealistic way.


PS: That said, and with all credit to the likes of xxx and his crew and now GG etc, IDO feel one obvious area we are missing out on here is decent anal fisting. I have seen enough Kink scenes to know that most of these girls who do DAP fairly comfortably are more than capable of taking another girl's hand wrist deep (and a fist/cock DP) yet there has only been one or two scenes with proper fisting (past the knuckle) and that seems a bit of a wasted opportunity.
I would be amazed if anal fisting wouldn't be a big scene seller.

Hi, Fisting will came soon in regular base

[gapefan]

You always bring such great news Giorgio!!!

Anal fisting, especially girl on girl, is one of my favorites!!!

With big big GAPES!!!

For girls who are ready

[dap-addict]

If fisting, than (also) studs fisting girls asses, please!

[Sir Noel]

If fisting, than (also) studs fisting girls asses, please!

Fine request but there is a world of difference between a womans fist and a mans......... and I'd rather watch a decent wrist deep fist from another girl than a shallow few dingers from one if the guys.

[dap-addict]

Not a few fingers, either up to the wrist or nothing!
Luna Oara can fit a full studs fist in her ass, no problem!
Still, talking about reality check, shoot male fisting only with girls able or at least willing to fit all the studs fist inside, please!

[magizi877]

Considering most girls retire a few months into their career and they don't work every day, and that each studio only works with her for a week. Can we really expect porn studios to wait for them to develop skills? Sexual skills that for the most part are naturally a part of you already anyway?

[kidloco]

Fists? all DAPs? Pisswaganza? Now that's ridiculously unreal expectations.

I'm lacking the basics - nice, pretty, maybe exotic looking, killer body (I don't nessesary mean skinny) ladies just getting hard anal perhaps DP fucking, where gapes and DAP
is extremely welcome, but only when the girl is up to it. I just don't like the idea of LP to shoot as much DAP, kreme bullshit or piss bullshit as possible just for marketing reasons.
Please, get the girls from the streets since porn actress is only an empty term for being something else.

[Tastes Like Ass]

Well said, SNP. I totally agree with the basic point you are making.

However, I would point out that there is a bit of a difference between things like DAPs, anal fisting, and so on, compared to things like piss drinking, rimjobs, or ass to mouth. The first group of things is physically difficult (and in some cases, physically impossible) for many girls, especially when they first start out. They can often work up to those things, but only after lots of practice. The second group of things, on the other hand, is just a matter of being willing to do it. There is no physical difficulty involved, so new girls can do those things just as easily as experienced girls, as long as they are willing to try.

So, if they want to shoot hard scenes, maybe start with those things that aren't so physically demanding, and gradually work up to the extreme penetrations.

[dap-addict]

Considering most girls retire a few months into their career and they don't work every day, and that each studio only works with her for a week. Can we really expect porn studios to wait for them to develop skills?

No, of course not!
All those calls for porn career building is just agency bullshit in a world where most girls market themselfs in social media.
The only way out for studios like LP is to always ask for the utmost they want to shoot stright away, but being open at the same time to work gradually up from easier to perform penetration acts like DP to difficult acts like DAP by booking the girl for a few scenes in a row.


Btw:
About the skills they should already have as you write...its surely anal sex but the rest I doubt. No anal = no booking for LP!
For lack of skills and a too soft apprach in another cultural setting you may check some of the recent Sineplex SOS footage. Its like a funny bts freakshow.

[Sir Noel]

I personally am amazed how many of the girls they have talked in to it and it makes me realise how much we have missed out on over the years

How do you know they "talked them into it"? That sounds somewhat manipulative/abusive. How do you know the girls don't actually enjoy the sex acts and want to do them?

If they do it for enjoyment then why have we gone hundreds of years of porn with so little double anal? I am not suggesting coercion, just that money talks coupled with being able to show that something is possible and all will be okay (whichbis a lot easier to do when you can show how many other similar scenes you have filmed)

[Sir Noel]

That is not true. I have seen some women with very large manly hands and some men who have very small hands. All LP needs to do is use a guy who has small hands to fist the girl, problem solved.

Lesbian fisting/girl-girl fisting (or any form of lesbianism for that matter unless it's 2 girls kissing with a cock between their faces) is boring it does nothing to turn me on. LP should keep the lesbian stuff to a minimum!!

Why search around for a new guy who has small hands but may be a weak performer or who has a small cock etc etc rather than use the tried and tested guys?

The girl-girl fisting does not have to be at the beginning in the 'boring lesbian part', which i find boring too, but can but during the main fucking. Imagine one girl getting fucked in the ass while she fists her friend, or a fist/cock dp!

[dpconnoisseur1]

Well said, SNP. I totally agree with the basic point you are making.

However, I would point out that there is a bit of a difference between things like DAPs, anal fisting, and so on, compared to things like piss drinking, rimjobs, or ass to mouth. The first group of things is physically difficult (and in some cases, physically impossible) for many girls, especially when they first start out. They can often work up to those things, but only after lots of practice. The second group of things, on the other hand, is just a matter of being willing to do it. There is no physical difficulty involved, so new girls can do those things just as easily as experienced girls, as long as they are willing to try.

So, if they want to shoot hard scenes, maybe start with those things that aren't so physically demanding, and gradually work up to the extreme penetrations.

Although I believe to understand the separation your making between easy and difficult physical performances I see it another way. I do agree that if we put things on a scale sexual acts like fellatio and cunnilingus are easiest to perform rapidly increasing in difficulty order to rimjobs, pussy, anal, ATM, DP, DPP, DAP, Fisting and TP especially with LP monster cocks. The problem is in one of the things you include in your second group and I'm adding more piss drinking, pissing, kreme, vomit drinking, scat (shit eating) are not sexual act so even if the girl was willing because she was offered enough money and it is not physically demanding it doesn't mean it should be filmed!

[Sir Noel]

I totally dispute your classification of what constitutes a sexual act. If you perform an act for sexual purposes them it is a sexual act.
By your standards long time sexual practices like BDSM, or foot fetishism would not be sexual acts.

[dpconnoisseur1]

And by your standards, choking out, beating shit out of, spitting, attempted drowning in a toilet bowl, etc are acceptable. We all have our limits that we self impose after the law dictates the true limits like child, bestiality and incest porn. I guess sirnoelplum I will have to vehemently disagree with your standards as you have mine. I don't subscribe to because it was practiced before is should be acceptable. We all have our own minds and can decide what our preferences or standards or whatever you want to call it are. I believe that was the point of this thread wasn't it.

[Sir Noel]

What the FUCK are you talking about?????? Whether something is a sexual act or not says NOTHING whatsoever about my standards NOR anything about whether it is acceptable.
That you regard pissing as unacceptable in no way means it isn't a sexual act. You mention paedophilia, which is unacceptable to both of us (ofc) but does that mean it is not a sexual act?
Some things are sexual acts and are acceptable
Some things are sexual acts and are unacceptable
Some things are not sexual acts and are acceptable
Some things are not sexual acts and are unacceptable.

Your argument seems to be that anything that we label a 'sexual act' we are claiming is acceptable. Please cut to the chase and outline the basis on which you make this assertion?

[dap-addict]

I totally dispute your classification of what constitutes a sexual act. If you perform an act for sexual purposes them it is a sexual act.

Maybe I am ignorant or I live another sexuality, but what is the sexual purpose of pissing, being pissed on and piss drinking for those doing it?
The fact that we as viewers my get sexually arosen by it doenst turn it into a sexual act, I think.
Dont want to ignite that quarrel of both of you, just need an explanation, ok?


Btw, from my point of view cock/dildo/fist penetrations, licking pussy/tits/cocks, bjs, cock teasing with hands/feet/hair are sexual acts we coud classify from easy to perform (and thus less payed, like i.e.bj only) to really difficult to perform (and this much better payed like dap/TAP).
Cum-shots, cum-play could probabely be counted too as every ambitious girl wants her man to orgasm at the end. its rather between, though.
But piss/cream/food as well as wax/bdsm is another category, maybe wellpayed, too, but not inherently a sexual act. But than of couse if a stud can get hard only once his girl pisses on his cock its sexual, too. LOL! LP studs, however, are hard when getting to the porn set anyway.

[Sir Noel]

I can only say that like a lot of sexual activities it is not always easy to say why something turns you on (why is your preference for anal over vaginal so strong when clearly vaginal sex has a more obvious sexual 'purpose', to use tour term) but a lot easier to say whether or not it does.
Secondly, I think I agree with you that just because a remote viewer gets turned on by something does not make it a sexual act. However, with regard to these things, people DO perform them and get turned on by doing so and that is the context we are viewing it in, even if the performers are faking their enjoyment.

As you said later in your post, some acts are clearly not inherently sexual, however the context can make them sexual. That is true of pissing as it is true of a finger in the ass or vagina (which could be for medical reasons).

I don't really know where doconnoisseur is trying to go with this. I get that he dislikes pissing. I get that he would prefer to see it in less films. I get that he thinks it is disgusting. What I don't get is why he thinks he furthers any of those by trying to say that regardless of context watersports is never a sexual act.
We all have things we don't like. I find the whole gapefart thing leaves me totally cold and shaking my head thinking 'why?'. But that doesn't mean that some people will not find it arousing and sexy

[Sir Noel]

PS: I also dont know how or why he links it to my 'standards'. Even if I thought pissing was the grossest nastiest thing going I would still think it classed as a sexual act in the right context.

[dpconnoisseur1]

If you perform an act for sexual purposes them it is a sexual act.

Your words not mine!!! Just pointing it out to you.

By your standards long time sexual practices like BDSM, or foot fetishism would not be sexual acts.

That figures, you proclaim to know my standards but when I do the same to you based on your own words you blow your lid! Next time sirnoelplum make sure and post that only people.with the same perspective of yours needs to respond. Also don't make assumptions about others if you don't like them made about you!

We will have to.continue this discussion later if you so.choose as I'm at work. You are right though I don't really like piss but detest puss drinking. You don't have to assume that one it is here in plain old black and white.

[Sir Noel]

I applied your standards (the reasons why you claim piss drinking is not a sexual act on other threads in these forums) to other acts.
Had you somply done the same to me I wouldn't have gotten annoyed. However, I offered you what I thought were reasonable criteria for regarding something as a sexual act and you used that to claim I regarded such things as all morally acceptable! That is a shitty move. Nowhere have I ever suggested that just because something is a sexual act it is automatically ok to do.

[dpconnoisseur1]

If you perform an act for sexual purposes them it is a sexual act.

Last post from me until later. I don't get it are the words above not your own. So based on your standards just like you did to my post in your mind needing to take a shit and have the model eat it to get aroused is a sexual act. I'm using your words above! My position is that HELL NO IT DOES NOT!!! I wont change my opinion on that just like based on those standards you believe it is!

That is where I'm going with this your fine and justified to believe whatever you do and so am I. I have my own mind to limit what I think is sexual or not and neither of us will change each other perspective. Just like guys post all the time that DP, DPP and DPP is gay. If this is there perspective who am I to change it, I vehemently disagree though. I can just disagree like I did to ATM original conclusion that you had such a strong objection too.

Later dude!!!

[Sir Noel]

So based on your standards just like you did to my post in your mind needing to take a shit and have the model eat it to get aroused is a sexual act. I'm using your words above! My position is that HELL NO IT DOES NOT!!!

Later dude!!!

Yes, where have I suggested it would not be.

So your position is that it is not? Well, many legislators, censors and classifiers around the world would disagree and they DO realise that context is all important and that you can show acts of pissing and shitting in both sexual and non-sexual contexts (and often treat them differently based on the context).

Perhaps, when you get the chance, you can tell me how you would define a sexual act?

[Sir Noel]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sexual_acts

[Mordecai35]

I totally dispute your classification of what constitutes a sexual act. If you perform an act for sexual purposes them it is a sexual act.

Maybe I am ignorant or I live another sexuality, but what is the sexual purpose of pissing, being pissed on and piss drinking for those doing it?
The fact that we as viewers my get sexually arosen by it doenst turn it into a sexual act, I think.
Dont want to ignite that quarrel of both of you, just need an explanation, ok?


Btw, from my point of view cock/dildo/fist penetrations, licking pussy/tits/cocks, bjs, cock teasing with hands/feet/hair are sexual acts we coud classify from easy to perform (and thus less payed, like i.e.bj only) to really difficult to perform (and this much better payed like dap/TAP).
Cum-shots, cum-play could probabely be counted too as every ambitious girl wants her man to orgasm at the end. its rather between, though.
But piss/cream/food as well as wax/bdsm is another category, maybe wellpayed, too, but not inherently a sexual act. But than of couse if a stud can get hard only once his girl pisses on his cock its sexual, too. LOL! LP studs, however, are hard when getting to the porn set anyway.

When I was still in my 20's I had a girlfriend who wanted me to piss on her. In my opinion your asking why a fetish is a fetish, I'm surprised you don't see how inept that is. I don't have a foot fetish, but I know some men do - should I be offended by those individuals for being into something i'm not? Many people have fetishes that have built over time, and apply to situations in their lives. The girl I mentioned, she came from a pretty conservative household, and once she dropped those principles, she 'lashed out' sexually, and found satisfaction in certain things, just like us guys do - some guys get off by being humilated, dommed, whatever. Where you lost me is when you can't equate arousal w/ sex.

[dap-addict]

should I be offended by those individuals for being into something i'm not? Many people have fetishes...

I am not offended at all, Mordecai!
I also see the flaws of my post. Sure pissing fetish really sells good. I think its rather one of the new froniers or call it a 90ties German porn revival than the fact that it really arouses so many sexually. But whatever it be...me I would surely prefer more foot/heel fetish. But thats just me.

[dap-addict]

I personally am amazed how many of the girls they have talked in to it and it makes me realise how much we have missed out on over the years

How do you know they "talked them into it"? That sounds somewhat manipulative/abusive. How do you know the girls don't actually enjoy the sex acts and want to do them?

If they do it for enjoyment then why have we gone hundreds of years of porn with so little double anal? I am not suggesting coercion, just that money talks coupled with being able to show that something is possible and all will be okay (whichbis a lot easier to do when you can show how many other similar scenes you have filmed)

Hey, KinkKong, wake up, please!
And its not so much about money, or not money only, but trends invadeing porn like fashion or other entertainment. Some kind of acts get asked more from porn agents and thus girls learn to "enjoy" them more of sets or at least pretend they enjoy them. Because only convincing actresses causing no trouble on porn sets get booked again. If you feel like reading more about joy on porn sets, check this: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=8487&p=40485&hilit=enjoy#p39899

[dpconnoisseur1]

Yes, where have I suggested it would not be.

Huh, I contrasted the differences between our points of view! You say yes I say no. I made no suggestion that you thought any other way.

So your position is that it is not? Well, many legislators, censors and classifiers around the world would disagree and they DO realise that context is all important and that you can show acts of pissing and shitting in both sexual and non-sexual contexts (and often treat them differently based on the context).

Perhaps, when you get the chance, you can tell me how you would define a sexual act?

If you perform an act for sexual purposes them it is a sexual act.

Yes might point is that is not. No internet search, legislators, censors and classifiers around the world disagreeing with me changes my mind! I'm surprised your so easily persuadable. As for context it does not matter to me when it comes to an sexual act. If I beat the shit out of woman because it arouses me in my opinion does not make it a sex act just an violent sick individual. To be clear I'm not saying that you believe this or comparing it to pissing. I just wanted to use a heinous act that we both can agree is heinous then point out the fallacy in your statement that "If you perform an act for sexual purposes then it is a sexual act". I don't subscribe to what is known as groupthink many societies in the world have committed atrocities based on it.

Groupthink Example

I think for my own and don't care if people disagree with me. Like I said before I thought it was an open topic on perspective so I stated mine. A few members state on this forum that all they want to see is intense anal and DAP that is fine but I will speak up for DP because that is my preference. So just like members attempt to limit DP without flat out saying it because they don't like seeing it I can say the same about piss. You will be on a never ending battle if you pick a fight with everything members say. I pick my battles carefully and this is not one of them. I love pussy(only with anal penetration also), anal, DP, DPP and DAP anything outside that arena could draw some criticism from me but I don't. We all like what we like but piss drinking, vomit drinking and shit eating I just don't understand and will comment about, just like people comment about only wanting to see anal, piss and DAP scenes.

I have no need to explain to you what I believe a sexual act is just like I don't ask you to justify why you like a certain act! The reason is because you like it but it does not mean I have to agree with this perspective! Anyway this topic bores me.

Later dude!

[Sir Noel]

Ahh i see so it was just your opinion based on some aversion to commonly held definitions because you think using the same definition of words as other people is dangerous groupthink?
Does this sound like someone giving an opinion or stating an immutable fact:

The problem is in one of the things you include in your second group and I'm adding more piss drinking, pissing, kreme, vomit drinking, scat (shit eating) are not sexual act

I am not even sure what kind of a response you could have expected from TLA if you are knowlingly defining your terms differently to how you would expect everyone else to. That just seems like a recipe for confusion.

[Tastes Like Ass]

Well, people can have their own opinions about what constitutes a "sexual act", but it seems to me that if cumming in a girl's mouth is a sexual act (which I think almost everyone would agree with), then so is pissing in her mouth.

They're both bodily fluids that come from the same place and wind up in the same place!

[tgcfc26]

^ Except one is the result of physical stimulation, predominantly that of a sexual nature, while the other is a bodily process of excreting toxins and waste. It's perfectly understandable how somebody would find no sexual correlation with the latter.

It's that time of the week, TLA

[Sir Noel]

tgcfc, you have a point but at least one sexual organ is involved A dildo in the ass, or perhaps sucking on a dildo is surely at least as removed but few people would say they are not sexual acts.
My suggestion is that the act of pissing in a sexual context mimics ejaculation in the same way that suggestively sucking on a lolly or eating a banana can mimic sucking a cock.

[dpconnoisseur1]

Well, people can have their own opinions about what constitutes a "sexual act", but it seems to me that if cumming in a girl's mouth is a sexual act (which I think almost everyone would agree with), then so is pissing in her mouth.

They're both bodily fluids that come from the same place and wind up in the same place!

Nice try and funny Ha not HaHa but NO!