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I'm lobbying for DAP last 25 years or so in different porn forums and since 2016 I feel it was definitely worth all my time, direct talks and forum writing. That year 8 of the 10 best selling LP scenes were DAP. Also 2 of these girls performed DAP in their 1st or 2nd porn scene. A new model was born @ LP, a model of windows of opportunity vs. the rotten old US porn step-by-step approach!

Now recently in a long porn talk with two seasoned actresses both independantly claimed asking for DAP early in forum would pressure girls not ready yet to do it and that may hurt them physically. I'm a very compassionate porn user and sure dont want these girls done any harm!
For me DAP since the early 2000s when I tried to co-finance 1st DAPs with some of my favorite girls was also a fee-based aknowlegement of a girls extra-mile and a possibility for her to earn really good money early in her career in order to motivate her to carry on instead of opting for less exposed and also well payed sex work.

That direct discussions went on a bit. I do listen ofc very much what porn girls tell me in direct talks, but one actress would also say that ofc before doing DAP every girl has to train and carefully prepare herself. Thus basically it comes down for me to that Russian talent scout telling me in 2006 that every of his girls would be offering DAP as long as I proposed a bit more money - and he'd then instruct her how to do it fine.

Now from a fans POV - but ideally a compassionate one - how long would you wanna your fave girls wait with DAP or DVPbreakin'?

For me there is actually a shift between 2006/16 and around 2019/20: I meanwhile tend to that 3 scene rule, but I want the girls DAPbreakin' within the same booking assignment to secure the steal being smitten while its hot, so to say.

Disclaimer: Please no anti-porn campaigns! Also please DVP and/or piss drinking lovers write in how you see it with your fetish: Is the earlier the better or rather the opposite?

I vote DAP break-in.

ExtremePornFan wrote:I vote DAP break-in.

All 6 first options are about DAPbreakin'

You mean based on her own dildo training only?
Or even without training? Because such a call would really be sick! You write a lot about sick lately, but here you would have it. Sick as a wish for girls to be hurt!

Only every 7th voter would wait 1 year or more.
Poll so far shows that DAP is actually the DP of 20y ago, basically just naturally expected from porn girls, but it shows also that porn careers are much shorter than 20y ago.

Its over 50% for DAPbreakin' within the 1st porn shooting week of a girl now!
Would mean 1st DAP straight away like GIO was shooting a lot of girls in 2016/17 - Kira Thorn, Nicole Black, Crystal Greenvelle a.o. - or DAPbreakin' on Fri or Sat during first porn week in a girls starting career.

While I think for many girls an 1on1 anal > 2on1 DP > 4on1 DAP setup it feasible, we also have to still remember that for other girls such a course is very fast, actually!

dap-addict wrote:...we also have to still remember that for other girls such a course is very fast, actually!

Exactly 7 years ago Kira Thorn was de-virginzied in porn for the very first time: DAPbreakin' was the 1st porn scene of the then very close to her 19th birthday Kira. This started a very fruitful and long porn career for Kira Thorn.
But Koenigsberg peer Victoria J. 1y later did the same course @ GIO just before turning 19yo, but she lasted only for 2 bookings in 2 years.

Tiny Tom broke into Kira after a long entry battle, after DP warm-up.

This scene:
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31565 (GIO231)

dap-addict wrote:but she lasted only for 2 bookings in 2 years.

Just to avoid misunderstandings: I dont wanna say early DAPbreakin' was in correlating with porn career duration. This is bs and LP girls clearly indicate that. Because for Kira Thorn career lasted over 3,5years, but for Victoria J. just 1 year (2017/18). And for also 1st porn scenes = DAPbreakin' Nicole Black porn career gets on already over 7 years!

Victoria J. had purely personal reasons to stop with porn. Before she performed DAP in 60% of all her porn scenes.

I wasnt aware 1st porn scene = DAP was so popular!
Was hunting those scenes down 2016-18, but later moved away from it a bit.
But here it's like back I am!

dap-addict wrote:While I think for many girls an 1on1 anal > 2on1 DP > 4on1 DAP setup is feasible, we also have to still remember that for other girls such a course is very fast, actually!

Its still over 50% in poll, but lets try to talk a bit about fans responsibility: Who has feeling fans compel girls to do their 1st DAP earlier as they actually would do?
i.e. fans rather than studio responsibility?

I voted the first option : 1st porn scene = DAPBreakin, watch an anal + optional DP + DAP in her first scene is something incredible.

Some girls are really able to start in that kind of scenes, but for other the second option "1on1, 2on1 DP, DapBreakin" is more accurate

We wait for as long as it is necessary to get the girl trained up for a real DAP breaking in and fucking (within reason).

For some that could be their first ever porn scene, for others it is within a year, for others maybe it might take 5 years....but surely not a significant length of time beyond 5+ years...that would be too long.

xxxVIPERxxx wrote:We wait for as long as it is necessary to get the girl trained up for a real DAP breaking in and fucking (within reason).

That sounds ideal of course!
Problem is still how to ask our porn girls to try it without creating any pressure?
I mean if no fans ever asked about DAP then it wouldn't get produced at all because porn producers investing less money into production also risk less. At the same time DAP is a way for porn girls to really earn some very decent money.

dap-addict wrote:Now recently in a long porn talk with two seasoned actresses both independantly claimed asking for DAP early in forum would pressure girls not ready yet to do it and that may hurt them physically. I'm a very compassionate porn user and sure dont want these girls done any harm!

To be honest I still dont know how to solve the fact that steel has to be smitten while its hot or else studios have to use windows of opportunities and the difficulties of determining readiness of rookie girls often not knowing their body themselves enough yet.

First time poll result is below 50% for DAPbreakin' within maximum first 3 scenes.

dap-addict wrote:

xxxVIPERxxx wrote:We wait for as long as it is necessary to get the girl trained up for a real DAP breaking in and fucking (within reason).

That sounds ideal of course!
Problem is still how to ask our porn girls to try it without creating any pressure?
I mean if no fans ever asked about DAP then it wouldn't get produced at all because porn producers investing less money into production also risk less. At the same time DAP is a way for porn girls to really earn some very decent money.

I think the NRX system is a good system in this.
When the girl gets a contract she knows that it is for the whole NRX program, and what it contains and what is expected of her.
Because the girl is working with the same (experienced) team for the whole program she is more relaxed and can build up trust and confidence more quickly. And also because she knows that other models did follow the same program and could complete it too. The male performers know the girl and her skills better, and know what she can handle.
Therefore the learning curve can be steep. This way the model can perform certain difficult scenes much sooner, as other models in the past took a much longer time to build up the same skills.

paobroncix01 wrote:I think the NRX system is a good system in this.
When the girl gets a contract she knows that it is for the whole NRX program, and what it contains and what is expected of her. (...)
Therefore the learning curve can be steep. This way the model can perform certain difficult scenes much sooner, as other models in the past took a much longer time to build up the same skills.

Yep, question is whether a 3 scenes @ GIO or a 7-10 scene @ NRX program to run up for DAPbreakin' is better. A more than 10 scenes wait is too long I think. Either a girl can do it or she simply cant and if so she better comes back to DAP 2-3 years later IF she stays so long in porn.
I lean more to the GIO 3 scene program, but indeed some recent bookings have shown that 3 scenes is too little for valid DAPbreakin' candidates like Pussycat for instance.
Important for sure is an experienced team the girl can trust. Here NRX team is more constant than the more specialized GIO BBC-white team approach.

dap-addict wrote:

ExtremePornFan wrote:I vote DAP break-in.

All 6 first options are about DAPbreakin'

Yeah, I meant first scene I don't know why I typed it like that

If I'm looking solely at the well-being of the models, I'd say 1 year+. What helps build a career rather than just a wild summer she'll spend the rest of her life trying to forget is keeping the ratios of fun, challenge, and compensation balanced. Especially for a younger 18/19 year old just entering porn there's so much more she can focus on to become a better performer than DAP, and once she's got that solid foundation she can view mastering DAP as a step up the career ladder rather than another degrading thing she's being talked into.

Even just thinking about it as someone who wants to watch great porn I'd rather they hold off for at least a bit. There are so many "DAP" scenes out there that I would actually classify as "failed DAP attempts" and they're almost always in a young model's first few scenes. Hell, there are a lot of "DAP" scenes that barely qualify as anal full stop! Until a girl can take a proper balls deep ass fucking and look like she's enjoying it there's no point trying to get two up there.

NRX probably have the best program in terms of building solid foundational skills for a model and getting her into the hardcore stuff but I barely even watch their trailers because I'm not interested in seeing a girl struggle to fuck when other studios are putting out enough content with girls who can already take a real pounding.

dap-addict wrote:Also please DVP and/or piss drinking lovers write in how you see it with your fetish: Is the earlier the better or rather the opposite?

In contrast to my DAP opinions I think piss should be introduced to models ASAP. Maybe not in her first scene to avoid scaring her off but when working out the details for scene number two let her know she can make extra cash by sitting there with a smile on her face and getting a bit damp.

Piss isn't physically demanding like DAP is, it's purely a psychological barrier. The more she's around piss especially as she gets her footing in porn the easier it will be for her to get (or convincingly fake) an appreciation of it and shine as a piss slut on camera.

dap-addict wrote:

paobroncix01 wrote:I think the NRX system is a good system in this.
When the girl gets a contract she knows that it is for the whole NRX program, and what it contains and what is expected of her. (...)
Therefore the learning curve can be steep. This way the model can perform certain difficult scenes much sooner, as other models in the past took a much longer time to build up the same skills.

Yep, question is whether a 3 scenes @ GIO or a 7-10 scene @ NRX program to run up for DAPbreakin' is better. A more than 10 scenes wait is too long I think. Either a girl can do it or she simply cant and if so she better comes back to DAP 2-3 years later IF she stays so long in porn.
I lean more to the GIO 3 scene program, but indeed some recent bookings have shown that 3 scenes is too little for valid DAPbreakin' candidates like Pussycat for instance.
Important for sure is an experienced team the girl can trust. Here NRX team is more constant than the more specialized GIO BBC-white team approach.

The NRX program is an all-round program and the models are learning DP, DVP an DAP. But during all videos before the DAP video there is lots of anal, even during the DP and DVP video,
so the models are building up a lot of anal experience during the program, before they get to the DAP video. More as during the three video program at Gio I recon.

paobroncix01 wrote:The NRX program is an all-round program and the models are learning DP, DVP an DAP. But during all videos before the DAP video there is lots of anal, even during the DP and DVP video,
so the models are building up a lot of anal experience during the program, before they get to the DAP video. More as during the three video program at Gio I recon.

I wonder whether EKS will repeat their own NRX aligned Russian program in Romania once they start to import Russian rookies or scout local girls.

dap-addict wrote:

paobroncix01 wrote:The NRX program is an all-round program and the models are learning DP, DVP an DAP. But during all videos before the DAP video there is lots of anal, even during the DP and DVP video,
so the models are building up a lot of anal experience during the program, before they get to the DAP video. More as during the three video program at Gio I recon.

I wonder whether EKS will repeat their own NRX aligned Russian program in Romania once they start to import Russian rookies or scout local girls.

That would for sure be the best method to come to the best results I think. If they import russian rookies, and they want to shoot good DAP and DVP videos with them, they need some kind of a program to teach the girls step by step, but in a limited time.

Btw, there are lots of webcam models and OF models in Romania, but rather few porn models. I think that a good scout must be able to find more local models. Maybe this could be an option too for EKS?

I would wait 2-3 years, or as long as it is reasonably possible for some very hot girls.
You can suggest and recommend, but you can never force a girl to rush to do something that she is not comfortable with.

I believe thre three step approach is good, Sign up, do one hard scene with lot's of anal, then focus on anal, DP and lot's of cum to swallow, then move to DAP in third scene, opening them up properly with dildo/plugs beforehand. If possible bring a small-fisted girl along who can assist in opening her.

This way we are certain to get to more challenging scenes

Times are dif now.....

most teens/adults are watchin, practicing n preparing for all this stuff so they can make bank when they go on cam for the world to see....

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