Poll: What do you think why girls go into porn biz?

[dap-addict]

From desperation to deficit of good sex.
What do you think?
3 guesses
30 days

[dap-addict]

Please just answer quickly what you think - without scientific evidence!

[netzerkaiser]

I picked 1, 8, 10

Good thread. Could probably even add a few more.

Certainly in late 90's in Hungary & Czech Republic many girls would've had no idea of the lasting pervasive power of internet.

Did anyone?

[Ultra-Gape]

I voted for the top two (money - the reason people do all jobs). I don't think the bottom option counts as that's still porn to me.

[Jocke]

They need a job.
They don't think sex is shameful.
They enjoy sex but I guess in the same way we all do.
They don't expect a career that could have been impaired.
They prefer freelance to a fixed job.

Those who are sex addicts won't last long. Same if you have mental condition or addiction problems.

Huge difference between being an eastern european with small means and being a Hollywood kid with career ambitions.

All of this just my opinions based on prejudice.

[J2369___]

I voted 1, 8 and 10 to, because they need fame, money and mostly they probably like anal sex, also I want as many girls in porn as possible. Especially see them hopefully succeed and build there career if they’re willing to.

[davebowman]

I reckon most simply think they can probably earn more money and work less hours than working 9-5 in McDonalds, or cleaning toilets for a living. Plus they look at some of these cam girls earning thousands and think "that's easy - I could do that". The reality turns out different for a lot of them, which is why so many drop out after a couple of scenes, but I can see why so many would try.

[pjfry75]

of course 6,7 and 9!!! ;-)

[2017sucks]

On first look, options 1 and 2 easiest and most expected to choose. But then... This becomes hardest and most complex thread to answer quickly and choose anything in few words...

If we concentrate only to AV, right now 17678 female models listed at pornbox, retired, active, at least 1 scene of any sort, amateur or pro, vaginal or Anal, or dap, or solo Fisting... At studio or at home...

For the start, I would split them on 2 groups. Options 1-9 goes in one and option 10 to another group. Only "small" problem is that we can never know exactly how many pornbox girls does escort as well. But lets imagine we know, there are 5342 for example. Then we go around, IAFD, EBI and places like those and see, ok, she shooted just 5 scenes this year and she keeps promoting her Euro, Dubai and other tours = escort is her main source of income and porn is just the way to promote and gets higher earn. But if we see 5 scenes every month, with promoting escort, its becoming more complex immediately and it could mean lot of combinations. Nympho+fame+need hard sex+ always spend a lot. Monika Fox 1st on my mind.

Also, it becomes more complex with years. Yes, one reason for go into and then to keep with it... For the start, it might be money and then after few years, simply "hey, Im good and experienced in this, and yes, really like it, no reason to change it". Kristy Black 1st on my mind.

Then, how not to mention Princess Ria, she said that started because of option 1, after gave a birth to 1st child and then with time, continued because really liked that type of Sex, impossible to get in real life. And after few years and 2 more kids, she is back, obviously again for the Sex and looks like relized thats who she is and what makes her feel good.

Also, DAP, in your interviews with girls, this is always one of the questions. Dont remember if any of them said clearly that one and only reason was money. Of course, that is also hard to believe, that every single porn girl dreamed all their life for "Dylan&Chapman DAP, pissing..."


Silvia Soprano said she felt uncomfortable at previous job, Kira said that porn Sex is real Sex for her... DAPs, TAPs...

As I said, its very complex subject and it could be wrotten books on that, lot of girls, lot of stories, options and combinations.

[dap-addict]

Also, DAP, in your interviews with girls, this is always one of the questions. Dont remember if any of them said clearly that one and only reason was money.
(...)
As I said, its very complex subject and it could be wrotten books on that, lot of girls, lot of stories, options and combinations.

Its a complex subject, this why I gave 3 options to pick and vote for out of 10.
I actually see I made a mistake including 'Abuse' and not explaining it. If it's drug abuse it would be source for an active decision, which is what the poll is about, ie. what source porn users believe made a girl decide to enter professional studio based b/g porn biz. This I should also have specified, because its not the same as OF or cam.

I might actually better replace the 'abuse' option by 'Recruited by a porn scout'. But its a bit late for this now. Also I'd have to know what the 5 voters had in mind.

[2017sucks]

Voted now 2, 6, 10.

About Abuse option, there's one sub option, worst possible of all, abused as a child... Hope thats smallest percentage of all girls active in porn.

And about "not every girl dreamed about Dylan&Chapman"... Now remembered something, not sure about girl, I think its Tarra White in some interview when she was in Serbia, my country, at some event, thats why I remember... She said that watched porn as a girl and always admired all those beautiful and glamorous girls and she also dreamed to be pornstar. That is best possible option of all.

[dap-addict]

Tarra White in some interview when she was in Serbia, my country, at some event, thats why I remember... She said that watched porn as a girl and always admired all those beautiful and glamorous girls and she also dreamed to be pornstar. That is best possible option of all.

Forgot that option, too!
That happens if they don't watch fashion shows and Hollywood.
Best option in my view is lack of good sex because then porn job brings them a lot of added intimate quality. Imagine they dated a porn scout or were scouted by their BF! It all happens, I know first hand. But for poll main question is what users with probably less insight believe why they join b/g biz.

[paobroncix01]

Also the background of the girls is influencing the reasons why they go into porn. with western European or north American girls it is more often out of rebellion or they have a love for sex. With eastern European girls or south American girls it is more often a way to make good money and the independence in their job, in those countries it is also culturally more accepted as a way of making an income.

[dap-addict]

With eastern European girls or south American girls it is more often a way to make good money and the independence in their job, in those countries it is also culturally more accepted as a way of making an income.

I doubt its culturally more accepted. Also good sex is important there as well. But rebellion against family and upbringing factor would be lower in Eastern Europe, true.

One more important shift you see in Eastern Europe is that after EU accession 2004/7 and swift opening up of British and Irish labor market, number of porn girls went down dramatically. In terms of porn biz this was a bad move for option 2.

[paobroncix01]

With eastern European girls or south American girls it is more often a way to make good money and the independence in their job, in those countries it is also culturally more accepted as a way of making an income.

I doubt its culturally more accepted. Also good sex is important there as well.

Of course the girls who choose for this job love good sex, otherwise they would not choose for it, but I think it is much less a main reason to choose for this job as with some Western European/North American girls.
And with the cultural acceptance I admit this applies more for jobs in the erotic industry in general, like camgirl or masseuse. But in western Europe for the last decade(s) there has been an indoctrination going on mostly by government campaigns and via schools on the behalf of (economic) emancipation of women, this makes it rather 'not done' to choose for a job like this. In Eastern Europe this has been much less the case. Also with Eastern European girls it happens much more often that they have female friends who are in the same field of work, which makes it much easier for a girl to choose for this job.

[dap-addict]

But in western Europe for the last decade(s) there has been an indoctrination going on mostly by government campaigns and via schools on the behalf of (economic) emancipation of women, this makes it rather 'not done' to choose for a job like this.

I don't see this. In both parts of Europe porn girls are self-employed businesswomen, nowadays also usually doing the marketing themselves and very often bookings, completely emancipated and independent. And if they perform a subdued role sometimes looking not emancipated than its just a role, just acted by them as self-employed free performers.

[paobroncix01]

But in western Europe for the last decade(s) there has been an indoctrination going on mostly by government campaigns and via schools on the behalf of (economic) emancipation of women, this makes it rather 'not done' to choose for a job like this.

I don't see this. In both parts of Europe porn girls are self-employed businesswomen, nowadays also usually doing the marketing themselves and very often bookings, completely emancipated and independent. And if they perform a subdued role sometimes looking not emancipated than its just a role, just acted by them as self-employed free performers.

I agree with you, but I don't think most of society in western European countries sees it that way. However, if a woman, after an active career as a porn model, becomes CEO of a major company in the erotic industry (which did happen in several cases), they look at it differently.

[Iddaoeeok]

But in western Europe for the last decade(s) there has been an indoctrination going on mostly by government campaigns and via schools on the behalf of (economic) emancipation of women.

Sounds like you don't believe in the (economic) emancipation of women.

[netzerkaiser]

Also, DAP, in your interviews with girls, this is always one of the questions. Dont remember if any of them said clearly that one and only reason was money.
(...)
As I said, its very complex subject and it could be wrotten books on that, lot of girls, lot of stories, options and combinations.

Its a complex subject, this why I gave 3 options to pick and vote for out of 10.
I actually see I made a mistake including 'Abuse' and not explaining it. If it's drug abuse it would be source for an active decision, which is what the poll is about, ie. what source porn users believe made a girl decide to enter professional studio based b/g porn biz. This I should also have specified, because its not the same as OF or cam.

I might actually better replace the 'abuse' option by 'Recruited by a porn scout'. But its a bit late for this now. Also I'd have to know what the 5 voters had in mind.

Abuse should be there. Why shouldn't it? Jenna Ivory for one highlighted a past of about 20 foster homes, really sad stuff. There are probably other such factors, like what they vaguely call 'daddy issues'.

Lack of self-esteem could be another option.

Why do you regret putting 'Abuse' in there, when its on the mark?

[Vetral]

Porn is a job just like any other job so the money is obviously the initial motivator. Though it is irritating when people assume that pornstars ONLY do porn for the money. People tend to forget that porn allows nymphomaniac wannabe's to experience their deepest fantasies in the most hardcore ways with guys that know what they're doing. It's next to impossible to set up most porn scenarios outside of the industry because of the time and effort required to put things together. Even the biggest whores aren't just going to be able to ask random dudes out of the blue if they want to stuff her holes airtight. That only happens in extremely rare situations like if the slut in question has spent a long time (probably years) building up her own little trustworthy network of guys she can film hardcore scenes with. Then there's the aspect of finding a place to do it, a camera man who knows what he's doing, outfit choice, etc. Everything has to be set up at the right time in the right place for the right slut. So since there is little to no funding people really have to go out of their way to harmonize everything together. After a while that could also get taxing if they know they're not getting anything out of it. There's a handful of whores who do amateur gangbangs actively, but the lighting is not always the best and the guys only know like 2 positions. They're also usually not fucking the chicks that well (i.e guys who lack virility). If a slut wants to get DP'd or Gangbanged several times a week or once a week or whatever the case may be, there's a bigger risk of diseases, a chance that guys will bail out last minute, maybe they don't perform that well, etc...

There are some pornstars who have done DP's and Gangbangs before they did porn and have mentioned the struggles and setbacks of all the logistical problems that come with doing hardcore porn outside of the industry. Plus even if people really want to make their fantasies a reality, it is hard to motivate anyone to do anything for free no matter what and even if they post their videos on a pay wall site there is a slim chance they will make any money. We could envision a 12/10 bitch getting her ass gaped out on OF and even then nobody will really ever find her because it's much harder to market home made porn especially when people know they have to pay for it or wait months for the scenes to leak which in turn hurts profits. There's also not many noteworthy DP or Gangbang scenes coming from home made porn to begin with so trying to create a market where there isn't one is going to be impossible. But if the same chick debuts on a big mainstream porn site, she could get 100x the amount of support that she would have gotten from 1 year of support on OF. A lot of chicks just don't have the patience to sit around and hope they luck out with home made style porn even if it has the production value of a professional porn scene from Evil Angel, LegalPorno, Brazzers, etc. With the porn industry you can hit two birds with one stone. The first being unlimited access to hardcore sex. The second is getting instant exposure to a large audience. We can look at Vina Sky as an example. After 2 years of saving up money she was able to buy a mansion in LA. Obviously she had a huge head start since she dated the CEO of Jules Jordan and one of the directors of Brazzers which allowed her to skyrocket to the top of the industry much quicker than most. But the point is, why would a chick just want to be a whore when she can be a whore and get paid pretty decently with a shot at becoming a superstar to get truly mind boggling money. There's also Xxlayna Marie. She was a forklift driver before she got into porn and now she's really climbing to the top and you can tell she loves slutting it up on camera. Not every slut is going to have Jules Jordan as a sugar daddy, but it's going to pay better than most jobs and they can go to work knowing it's not going to be morally bankrupt like most jobs all while living out their biggest sexual fantasies with guys who can properly deliver those fantasies.

[dap-addict]

Why do you regret putting 'Abuse' in there, when its on the mark?

Abuse and/or lack of self-esteem may be a deeper layer, but its not an active decision. Poll is about active decisions to go into b/g porn biz.

[TheVulture]

Porn is a job just like any other job so the money is obviously the initial motivator. Though it is irritating when people assume that pornstars ONLY do porn for the money. People tend to forget that porn allows nymphomaniac wannabe's to experience their deepest fantasies in the most hardcore ways with guys that know what they're doing. It's next to impossible to set up most porn scenarios outside of the industry because of the time and effort required to put things together. Even the biggest whores aren't just going to be able to ask random dudes out of the blue if they want to stuff her holes airtight. That only happens in extremely rare situations like if the slut in question has spent a long time (probably years) building up her own little trustworthy network of guys she can film hardcore scenes with. Then there's the aspect of finding a place to do it, a camera man who knows what he's doing, outfit choice, etc. Everything has to be set up at the right time in the right place for the right slut. So since there is little to no funding people really have to go out of their way to harmonize everything together. After a while that could also get taxing if they know they're not getting anything out of it. There's a handful of whores who do amateur gangbangs actively, but the lighting is not always the best and the guys only know like 2 positions. They're also usually not fucking the chicks that well (i.e guys who lack virility). If a slut wants to get DP'd or Gangbanged several times a week or once a week or whatever the case may be, there's a bigger risk of diseases, a chance that guys will bail out last minute, maybe they don't perform that well, etc...

There are some pornstars who have done DP's and Gangbangs before they did porn and have mentioned the struggles and setbacks of all the logistical problems that come with doing hardcore porn outside of the industry. Plus even if people really want to make their fantasies a reality, it is hard to motivate anyone to do anything for free no matter what and even if they post their videos on a pay wall site there is a slim chance they will make any money. We could envision a 12/10 bitch getting her ass gaped out on OF and even then nobody will really ever find her because it's much harder to market home made porn especially when people know they have to pay for it or wait months for the scenes to leak which in turn hurts profits. There's also not many noteworthy DP or Gangbang scenes coming from home made porn to begin with so trying to create a market where there isn't one is going to be impossible. But if the same chick debuts on a big mainstream porn site, she could get 100x the amount of support that she would have gotten from 1 year of support on OF. A lot of chicks just don't have the patience to sit around and hope they luck out with home made style porn even if it has the production value of a professional porn scene from Evil Angel, LegalPorno, Brazzers, etc. With the porn industry you can hit two birds with one stone. The first being unlimited access to hardcore sex. The second is getting instant exposure to a large audience. We can look at Vina Sky as an example. After 2 years of saving up money she was able to buy a mansion in LA. Obviously she had a huge head start since she dated the CEO of Jules Jordan and one of the directors of Brazzers which allowed her to skyrocket to the top of the industry much quicker than most. But the point is, why would a chick just want to be a whore when she can be a whore and get paid pretty decently with a shot at becoming a superstar to get truly mind boggling money. There's also Xxlayna Marie. She was a forklift driver before she got into porn and now she's really climbing to the top and you can tell she loves slutting it up on camera. Not every slut is going to have Jules Jordan as a sugar daddy, but it's going to pay better than most jobs and they can go to work knowing it's not going to be morally bankrupt like most jobs all while living out their biggest sexual fantasies with guys who can properly deliver those fantasies.

Good post.

I don't like this thread or threads like this as they just seem to be a way for male porn consumers to belittle female porn stars, which I cannot personally comprehend. Why someone who thinks a girl is only in porn for the money (or for whom money is even a large motivating factor in their decision) would watch porn in the first place is beyond me. In that scenario, where is the fantasy or suspension of belief? What is the point? Cold, clinical observation? Sexy stuff.

It's pointless generalising or even trying to second-guess with regard to any specific girl. The most any of us can do is watch a girl and make our own judgement as to whether they are "for real" or not. All I know for sure is that if I don't think they are genuinely into it then I'm not going to be turned on. But if I am turned on then I obviously accept that they are doing it for pleasure. And I don't think it is easy to fake sexual pleasure, even for a woman. I trust my judgement.

So that would be it for me really. Watch with an open mind. There is no one simple defining template of a "porn girl". And if you really have deep suspicions about the possibility of girls being in porn for largely sex reasons then please find another hobby than porn as I just don't think you're in the right place or likely to take a great deal from it.

[TheVulture]

"suspension of disbelief" I meant there.

[Ultra-Gape]

I don't like this thread or threads like this as they just seem to be a way for male porn consumers to belittle female porn stars, which I cannot personally comprehend. Why someone who thinks a girl is only in porn for the money (or for whom money is even a large motivating factor in their decision) would watch porn in the first place is beyond me. In that scenario, where is the fantasy or suspension of belief? What is the point? Cold, clinical observation? Sexy stuff.

I voted for the two money options but utterly reject this characterisation. Firstly, I categorically do not 'belittle' female porn stars. I wish they were universally held in much higher regard amongst society as a whole let alone by the porn-buying public. I think they should be appreciated and celebrated for what they do rather than in any way looked down on. Secondly, noting that a model's primary motivation for working in the adult entertainment industry is financial does not exclude other factors as well, much as if I wasn't paid for my own job I'd stop doing it immediately but that doesn't mean there aren't other reasons I've chosen the career I have.

[vvvv84335]

I'm watching this documentary called 9 to 5: Days in Porn which is a bit interesting since it doesn't make the porn industry out to be a terrible or great thing - it's a profession that people get into for different reasons.

According to the Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation Dr. Sharon Mitchell it's usually one of three things: Addiction to sex, addiction to fame or addiction to money. She goes on to mention some of the pros and cons. She's quite interesting since she is a former pornstar turned doctor who runs a practice that helps pornstars in the valley with things such as STD tests, counseling etc. She was in the business for two decades I believe, and she didn't want anything to do with it after she got out - since she decided to become a doctor she knew that the performers really need these services.

You also get to hear a some famous pornstars talk about their careers, what an average day is like, and their view on the profession. I haven't seen the whole ting yet, but they do get into the European side of it a little bit as well.

Why do we need to know the reason that women go into porn? Do we need to know why someone chooses to become a dentist, mechanic, engineer, actor, singer etc. ? It's a job to many and a passion to some. As with any other walk of life, some are happy with their choice and some are not.

Since there are performers and industry workers such as Giorgio who frequent this forum, I think we should try and broaden our minds and not assume it's always some fantastic or horrible reason.

[TheVulture]

Why do we need to know the reason that women go into porn? Do we need to know why someone chooses to become a dentist, mechanic, engineer, actor, singer etc. ? It's a job to many and a passion to some. As with any other walk of life, some are happy with their choice and some are not.

Very good point. Over-analysis of the girls' motives is really pointless and ultimately a bit joyless.

Being a female porn star is slightly different than those other jobs though, principally because all of those require either brains or talent combined with dedication and hard work. For a girl to get into porn doesn't necessarily require any of those things. It's a shortcut that only requires that they be physically attractive and sexually adventurous as well as not being afraid of the exposure and "taboo" nature of what they are doing and all that this brings with it. So clearly there is something that is interesting about the psychological make-up of such girls. It isn't a regular job or even really a "job" in any traditional sense. It's a risque and financially lucrative sort of adventure without any real obvious parallels in general society.

For me I say more power to them and it is perfectly acceptable for them to fulfill their sexual fantasies and make some money in the process. And if their sole intention is to make money then fine but I doubt that they are likely to have a long or lucrative career.

I just find it odd that this topic always pops up on this forum. By definition you would think that those who enjoy porn to the extent that they would post on a porn forum would already accept that there are motivations for the girls beyond purely making money.

[vvvv84335]

Being a female porn star is slightly different than those other jobs though, principally because all of those require either brains or talent combined with dedication and hard work.

You're missing something fundamental here in my opinion. You need work ethic, brains and talent if you want a career in porn to sustain you more than a short period. There are those who save their money, are careful with how often they shoot, for who they shoot, for what market etc. Some will use the money to buy larger investments such as a house, pay for education, or simply save it. Then you also have the tempations that come with the territory of being in the entertainment business. People will try to cheat you, offer you drugs, abuse your friendship etc.

If you don't have "either brains or talent combined with dedication and hard work" you won't last long in the adult industry, let alone any other place of education/employment. I think it is isn't showing workers in the adult industry the respect they deserve to assume it's that simple. Another thing - nobody is just one thing, we are the sum of our parts. In essence we have a life with family and friends and ambitions outside of work/school etc.

I'm definitely not a fan of these threads as it is in a public space that many see. Imagine what it might feel like if you were from a marginalized group that is taboo in many arenas in life; if you were to see people speculating about your choices and the very core of your being in public spaces that you frequent?

[dap-addict]

I just find it odd that this topic always pops up on this forum. By definition you would think that those who enjoy porn to the extent that they would post on a porn forum would already accept that there are motivations for the girls beyond purely making money.

Vulture, this is why I listed 7-8 other motivations not linked to money. And its also why I have given 3 votes to each participant to create a mix of motivations.
We probabely agree that money is a part of the motivation to do that job, which is not a normal one for sure, also because of its very demanding psychical and also just physical side. As mentioned its a question I often ask during porn girls interviews a.o. and I just can tell you there are very different and interesting answers! I also think if you are impressed by a porn girls works you may be interested why she started with that job. For me its a natural question, even if I ask my dentist!

[netzerkaiser]

Why do you regret putting 'Abuse' in there, when its on the mark?

Abuse and/or lack of self-esteem may be a deeper layer, but its not an active decision. Poll is about active decisions to go into b/g porn biz.

Decision is decision, my friend. Lets please not play with semantics.

Of course, some girls just wanna do it, full stop.

And a deeper layer OF COURSE can form an active decision.

Of course it can.

[J2369___]

I have always wondered why girls get into porn. Maybe they want attention, fame or simply just enjoy having sex. Also why haven’t more OFand camgirls in general haven’t tried joining the industry either.

If girls enjoy getting paid having sex then great for them, just hope more girls enjoy doing porn if they go down that path.

[dap-addict]

Also why haven’t more OFand camgirls in general haven’t tried joining the industry either.

Could it be they make enough money to live with OF or cam?
You seem to think solo OF or solo cam and b/g porn biz are the same, you seem to forget about the sex they perform on set.


to vvvv: We don't discuss individual girls here, but speculate about tendencies. Its a big difference. We could also speculate about why guys invest their hard earned money in porn videos. Both groups usually don't brag about that in general public. Maybe its a next poll.

[Ultra-Gape]

Being a female porn star is slightly different than those other jobs though, principally because all of those require either brains or talent combined with dedication and hard work.

I disagree. A good porn star is NOT just an attractive woman willing to take her clothes off, and even if it were for most women it takes considerable dedication and hard work to keep their body looking great naked.

[TheVulture]

I think I'm being misunderstood here as nowhere have I said that female porn stars are not intelligent or hard-working. My point was only that a direct comparison with other jobs such as doctor, lawyer, teacher etc. is misguided as by definition those jobs require those things, whereas being a porn actor (male or female) doesn't. That is all.

I am quite sure that most female porn stars are at the very least vaguely intelligent and certainly hard-working (albeit having more fun within their "work" than most working people). But whereas it is interesting to ask "Why does a girl get into porn?" it is pretty much moribund to ask "Why did that man/woman become a doctor/lawyer/teacher?" as the answer is obviously much less mysterious. Porn is a taboo thing so by definition those who work within it are unusual in some ways, which in no way casts aspersions on them or puts either a positive or negative slant on the "unusual" aspect. They are a slightly different breed of people to most of us essentially and any attempts to generalise are not only pointless but generally done in a derogatory and slightly sneering sort of way.

I enjoy discussions about porn in the wider social context but I really loathe attempts to generalise the motives of those involved in it, basically.

[dap-addict]

They are a slightly different breed of people to most of us essentially and any attempts to generalise are not only pointless but generally done in a derogatory and slightly sneering sort of way.

Vulture, I often agree with you, but here you are implying some motivation into that poll I never intended and I also dont see in OP. My aim was simply to find out what porn fans think why these girls initially went into porn biz. Not even what keeps them there, just what made them take that first step.

I perfectly well know there is always a mix of reasons and its very individual with every girl, there is no way to generalize anything - except that without being payed most of them wouldn't do it. But who else would work without being payed? So all I can see is a generalization about work as such, but sure nothing "derogatory and slightly sneering sort of way".

And finally: Fucking on a porn set is a very demanding job!!! May I add that many porn girls have studied, they could have become lawyers as well, but they took another turn at a point for very different kind of reasons.

[Ultra-Gape]

They are a slightly different breed of people to most of us essentially...

Hmmm... that sounds insulting in a way I suspect and hope you didn't actually mean...

[dap-addict]

Thinking about porn girls I know I realize I forgot 1 important motivation: Join porn biz in order to pay for something not very much wished, like new tits or an own flat.
Thats a different motivation than the girl rising girl for a lifesaving OP of or just choosing this job because it pays better than supermarket casher or school psychologist in Eastern Europe.

[dap-addict]

edit: without not!
To pay for something very much wished, for some educational goal also, some body alteration in order to feel better, some consumer good of girls dream.

Next left out motivation is to pay wishes or lifestyle of BF.

Maybe they all can be summed up in Nr. 2 or 1, but its not the same actually.

[netzerkaiser]

edit: without not!
To pay for something very much wished, for some educational goal also, some body alteration in order to feel better, some consumer good of girls dream.

Next left out motivation is to pay wishes or lifestyle of BF.

Maybe they all can be summed up in Nr. 2 or 1, but its not the same actually.

I think 4 or 5 of us are all coming from very different angles. For my fault is that my head is, & always will be buried in the reasons girls from Hungary, Czech Republic, & to a lesser extent ex-USSR joined between 1995 to about 2002.

A far different ballgame from the reasons a tattooed, pierced, confident young Spaniard might join in 2020 for sure.

[TheVulture]

They are a slightly different breed of people to most of us essentially...

Hmmm... that sounds insulting in a way I suspect and hope you didn't actually mean...

In what way is it insulting? It has no positive or negative implications.

Most people don't have the self-confidence to display themselves in that way, for one thing. And then there is the thick skin to deal with the negative implications, eg reputational damage, awkwardness amongst friends/family etc.

Porn actresses (and to a slightly lesser extent male porn actors) are cut from a different cloth to the vast majority of people. I can't really see how that is any way a controversial statement or in any way offensive.

I personally think that women in porn are extremely courageous and uninhibited in a way that is genuinely admirable. Others may see it another way and that is their prerogative.

[Ultra-Gape]

@The Vulture you've better explained what you mean so I won't waste time explaining how I feel what you wrote before sounded insulting.