Mariupal

[netzerkaiser]

Theres no way out of Mariupal for the Azov & the marines.

But tonight, right now, they fight.

Thoughts be with Them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM_7msj ... QA59IkCF5I

[poldijk]

if a miracle could happen....

in the meantime, good luck for all of them.

[drevokocur66]

May they exact the highest price possible on Putin's forces.

[sexaddict251]

Azov is a neo nazi group, they will be wiped out when war is over.

[drevokocur66]

Azov is a neo nazi group, they will be wiped out when war is over.

The war will be over when Putin is dead. Let us hope that is very soon.

[sexaddict251]

Azov is a neo nazi group, they will be wiped out when war is over.

The war will be over when Putin is dead. Let us hope that is very soon.

Or zelensmonkey is dead. He's hiding in his cave while innocent people are dying

[YumYum74]

Azov is a neo nazi group, they will be wiped out when war is over.

The war will be over when Putin is dead. Let us hope that is very soon.

Or zelensmonkey is dead. He's hiding in his cave while innocent people are dying

While Putin of course is on the frontlines every day.

[sexaddict251]

Putin was a an intelligence officer in KGB, not a joker monkey

[YumYum74]

Doesn’t change the fact that he is holed up in his palace like a coward and not anywhere near the frontlines.

[poldijk]

Azov is a neo nazi group, they will be wiped out when war is over.

I tried to understand this nazi stuff about Ukraine : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

I’m always careful with information (starting by wiki) because we don't know who wrote it. It is an Ukrainian historian?

wiki is supposed to be impartial, but it is almost an obligation to verify the information on other websites, having different opinion on the subject.

what I understood:
nazi ideology in azov battalion is not a legend (starting by their controversial symbols)
some people hate Jewish and LGBT
some people wear swastika symbols and sing nazi songs
during the Donbass war in 2014, there is allegation of torture and war crime
some people criticized Zelensky to be weak, starting by the Minsk agreement

on the other hand:
it seems that the nazi influence is going to disappear
there is now Jewish Ukrainian soldiers in the battalion
the enemy is Russia and not the Jewish
Jewish-Ukrainian billionaire and oligarch Igor Kolomoyskyi is giving a lot of money

anyway, there is a lot of Nazi in France (and Belgium, Germany and Netherland), ok they are not doing war and potential war crime but it is not acceptable to have a foreign country invading yours by saying we will denazify your earth.

my government is trying to fight those ideologies (it is forbidden in France to wear swastika symbols in public) and some of them are going to jail because they are preparing terrorist attacks.

[sexaddict251]

Russians killed nazies in 1940's, Russians are killing Nazis today, Americans are protecting Nazis by creating NOTO, Anyone following nazi ideology is a threat to humanity, should ban all such groups & take legal actions against them. One dumb woman named Blavatsky who traveled to india is the cause of everything, her book & society Theosophical society, still people are suffering.

[Iddaoeeok]

The ordinary people of Mariupol and Ukraine in general are who I care about. I won't shed any tears if the Russian Army wipe out the Azov Battalion - that's just a case of Nazis killing Nazis. The Botox Midget Putin is a fascist and a coward who isn't fit to lick Zelenskiy's boots.

[sexaddict251]

Zelensmonkey is the Coward actually, poor people are suffering because of that jock, he's the cause of war, it wouldn't have happened if he stayed neutral. Now he's giving guns to Civilians & is hiding in his hole with his nazi azzove battalion. They won't fight they surrender, 1000 Nazis surrendered last week, poor Civilians fight to death. Zelensmonkey will be captured by Russians soon.

[netzerkaiser]

I should have been clearer in my expression.

I think that all soldiers in a doomed & hopeless situation must be under terrible strain, regardless of their colours.

[Iddaoeeok]

I've got to admit this distaste for Nazis from their fellow ethnofascists, anti-Semites and homophobes and is somewhat less than convincing.

[bdsmpretty]

A random collage of gathered screenshots for those seeking perspective.

Immediate situation in Mariupol-Azovstal.

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How the Russian Military intercepted the intel (for doubters).

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Immediate future (over next four weeks +).

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On why Finland/Sweden voting 'yes' to join NATO (rather than staying neutral - as they have always been) will make them the next Ukraine.

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Recommended viewing for Ukraine and broader global implications (one hour approx if you watch at 1.5 speed). Contributors: Alastair Crooke, Scott Ritter, Max Blumenthal.
The War in Ukraine and the Collapsing World Order.
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=vrMJoRDfRFI

Instant understanding.

Closing note.
I posted this here a month ago and it still stands (Scott talks about this - inter alia - in the video link posted above).

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[sexaddict251]

Immediate future (over next four weeks +).

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That's why Putin Said "If US provide weapons to Ukrarain they will face unexpected consequences."


This is America's worst fear.
https://youtu.be/dak6J_GQSP4

If NOTO add more countries China, India and Russia are going to form a military alliance soon.

[netzerkaiser]

You're going to find no one here has been an angel, for sure.

This is not Hollywood, all Russians bad, all Ukrainian good. Hey, James Mason, do ye wanna step in as Rommell, the 'good German'?

But Putin was wrong to do this, I feel. I understand your frustration at 1-sided western media & disgraceful NATO context of hypocrisy.

But 2 wrongs don't ever make a right.

Putin was wrong. He has blood on his hands, Fu£k Joe Biden, I don't care for any of them.

Very few are emerging from this with credibility.

[sexaddict251]

Finnland smartypants is playing with fire, finnland and sweaden will become part of Russia soon.

[sexaddict251]

Zelensmonkey provoked Puttin do so, so it's on his hands, zelensmonkey is the real war criminal, next is sweaden and then finnland. It's fun watching Smartypants Sana Maryn's speach, reasoning and expressions. She's dumber than zelensmonkey i bet. I don't know why people choose such fools as their leaders

[netzerkaiser]

Zelensmonkey provoked Puttin do so, so it's on his hands, zelensmonkey is the real war criminal, next is sweaden and then finnland. It's fun watching Smartypants Sana Maryn's speach, reasoning and expressions. She's dumber than zelensmonkey i bet. I don't know why people choose such fools as their leaders

I don't know what the fuck you are you even talking about?

[sexaddict251]

Zelensmonkey provoked Puttin do so, so it's on his hands, zelensmonkey is the real war criminal, next is sweaden and then finnland. It's fun watching Smartypants Sana Maryn's speach, reasoning and expressions. She's dumber than zelensmonkey i bet. I don't know why people choose such fools as their leaders

I don't know what the fuck you are you even talking about?

It's because Nazis dickheads can't understand our language, feel free to speak our language, so you will understand.

[Iddaoeeok]

He's the id to bdsmpretty's superego.

[sexaddict251]

Russians are going to kill more Nazis, yay, so happy...

[bdsmpretty]

Azov is a neo nazi group, they will be wiped out when war is over.

I tried to understand this nazi stuff about Ukraine : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

I’m always careful with information (starting by wiki) because we don't know who wrote it. It is an Ukrainian historian?

wiki is supposed to be impartial, but it is almost an obligation to verify the information on other websites, having different opinion on the subject.

what I understood:
nazi ideology in azov battalion is not a legend (starting by their controversial symbols)
some people hate Jewish and LGBT
some people wear swastika symbols and sing nazi songs
during the Donbass war in 2014, there is allegation of torture and war crime
some people criticized Zelensky to be weak, starting by the Minsk agreement

on the other hand:
it seems that the nazi influence is going to disappear
there is now Jewish Ukrainian soldiers in the battalion
the enemy is Russia and not the Jewish
Jewish-Ukrainian billionaire and oligarch Igor Kolomoyskyi is giving a lot of money

anyway, there is a lot of Nazi in France (and Belgium, Germany and Netherland), ok they are not doing war and potential war crime but it is not acceptable to have a foreign country invading yours by saying we will denazify your earth.

my government is trying to fight those ideologies (it is forbidden in France to wear swastika symbols in public) and some of them are going to jail because they are preparing terrorist attacks.

Wikipedia is another corporatist-media arm of US geopolitical 'perception management' (as are Facebook and Twitter).
You have said that you are wary of it, which I respect. Too many think of it is a neutral resource, rather than a US resource.

I think your 'what I understand' list is generally accepted now, though it pulls all its punches.

As for your second list 'on the other hand'.

"it seems that the nazi influence is going to disappear".

What? How? Why? Just disappear??
They are currently the most highly funded - NATO funded - and the most heavily armed - NATO armed - NeoNazi paramilitary on the planet. For this reason Ukraine has become the premier global training ground for NeoNazis/White Supermacists.

"There is now (no) Jewish Ukrainian soldiers in the battalion."

Of course not. Andriy Biletsky (founder of the Azov and Ukrainian MP 2014-2919) stated on record his country’s mission was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade against Semite-led Untermenschen". (Fact check it, by all means).

"The enemy is Russia and not the Jewish."

If the Ukrainians openly said their enemy were the Jews, how much NATO funding and weaponry do you think they would get?
(But the Biletsky quote above is what they believe and fight for, even if they don't advertise it loudly on US/UK/EU media).

"Jewish-Ukrainian billionaire and oligarch Igor Kolomoyskyi is giving a lot of money".

He is giving a lot of money. Correct. Who do you think funded the setting up of Azov (one guess)?
Why would a Jewish billionaire fund an anti-Jewish Paramilitary?
Because Jewish billionaries are not the kind of Jews that end up in gas chanbers.

On this last section.
"anyway, there is a lot of Nazi in France (and Belgium, Germany and Netherland), ok they are not doing war and potential war crime but it is not acceptable to have a foreign country invading yours by saying we will denazify your earth."

If the French speaking element in the border populations of either Germany/Belgium/Spain (any France-bordering country) had been constantly bombed/killed/maimed/murdered/mutilated/raped/abused, terrorised and dehumanised, and had been repeatedly outlawed by Far-Right Ultra-Nationalist and NeoNazi MPs in the government of that France-bordering country (see example of Biletsky above) in parliment as 'untermenschen/orcs' (trying to ban use of French as a language on that territory, attacking places of worship, outlawing observing of customs/traditions), to the extent that deaths in that region had reached 14,000 over eight years, do you think that your people or government would not have said enough at some point?

This has been the situation in The Donbass for Russian-speaking Ukrainians since the US-backed coup regime took over in 2014. If you are French, please check out the work of French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel who has reported from The Donbass throughout that period. Her conflict reportage and documentary photography has been outstanding (and heartbreaking).

"my government is trying to fight those ideologies (it is forbidden in France to wear swastika symbols in public) and some of them are going to jail because they are preparing terrorist attacks."

But is the French government currently sending Ukrainian NeoNazis (Azov etc) millions in funding and military grade weapons (eg artillery/missiles, not small arms)? That's the bottom line.
Macron is a superficial politician of superficial gestures, and French voters will soon decide if they have had enough of that.

But despite my taking apart bits of your comment, I genuinely do respect your general attitude, because I get the feeling you strongly suspect that there is a gulf between what you are seeing in your media and what the reality is on the ground.
I think your instincts are good and you should trust them. The more you dig into Ukraine the darker and murkiers it gets.

[Iddaoeeok]

Of course not. Andriy Biletsky (founder of the Azov and Ukrainian MP 2014-2919) stated on record his country’s mission was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade against Semite-led Untermenschen". (Fact check it, by all means).

I suspect a lot of Putin supporters and apologists in the West would support such a mission, there's at least one on this forum who would, if he was being honest.

[Iddaoeeok]

Confusing times for fascists, white supremacists and anti-Semites!

[YumYum74]

Jesus Christ…the stuff people just believe, no matter how bizarre it looks and sounds…

[bdsmpretty]

Immediate future (over next four weeks +).

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That's why Putin Said "If US provide weapons to Ukrarain they will face unexpected consequences."


This is America's worst fear.
https://youtu.be/dak6J_GQSP4

If NOTO add more countries China, India and Russia are going to form a military alliance soon.

Check out the CTSO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) which has now effectively merged (as 'Russian-led collective security guarantor' for all members) with the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization).

If you want to know what the next 20-50 years will bring, follow the interests and activities of the SCO very carefully, because the rise (and rise) of Eurasia is the only game in town now.
The BRI ('The Belt and Road Initiative' aka 'One Belt One Road') will definine the economic century (for all of us, not just within Eurasia), and the 'partnership, not conquest' Chinese model of diplomacy will set the political tone for the same.
And (obviously) everything NATO commits its members to get involved in from here on in will be designed to disrupt that.

Ultimately the West, with its boom-and-crash casino economies, its constant printing and reprinting of fiat money, and its debt-ridden societies whose industries can no longer function without massive state intervention (because overheads - rents/untilities for both companies and employees - mean production costs can never be recouped at the till), are a busted flush.

Marx was right. Unregulated Capitalism results in an economy that eats itself, as all capital is drawn to the top by the mechanism of market forces.

The wisest economist on the planet https://michael-hudson.com/
Watch/read anything by Michael and your brain will grow exponentially!

[dap-addict]

Usually avoid such threads.
Just not sure: Is this about that town of a similar name in Ukraine?

[netzerkaiser]

Usually avoid such threads.
Just not sure: Is this about that town of a similar name in Ukraine?

9:15: I thought I was in morning of Easter Monday.. so out of touch...

[drevokocur66]

Finnland smartypants is playing with fire, finnland and sweaden will become part of Russia soon.

Russia's army is irrelevant, Soviet era junk tanks, planes and navy would get absolutely DEMOLISHED. They are already getting spanked like a redheaded stepchild in Ukraine, by Ukraine forces that are vastly outnumbered, with only a small fraction of western weapons. The only card left to play that puto Putin has, is nuke threat. But as soon as he uses even one, it is all over for him. Technically, it already is, but it would be a much faster demise of that ex KGB rat. None of his CGI wonder weapon pipe dreams will save his stubby ass.

[sexaddict251]

You haven't seen S550 video, have you? If you saw that you won't talk like that. Russia has Hypersonic cruise missiles that can carry nuclear warheads, also Russians have Hypersonic interceptor, nothing can stop Russian HCM.

[drevokocur66]

You haven't seen S550 video, have you? If you saw that you won't talk like that. Russia has Hypersonic cruise missiles that can carry nuclear warheads, also Russians have Hypersonic interceptor, nothing can stop Russian HCM.

I saw the CGI presentation... PIPE dreams.

[Anotherfine]

Russians are going to kill more Nazis, yay, so happy...

Wow who knew that Putin would have a log-in for Legalporno

[dap-addict]

9:15: I thought I was in morning of Easter Monday.. so out of touch...

Just overworked I guess.
We all need a break, also from those horrid news these weeks.
Anyway, town was a Greek foundation originally, thus like so often ends with -pol, -polis. Anyway, lets better think of Greece, or at least Vicky Sol: https://pornbox.com/application/model/4653

[netzerkaiser]

9:15: I thought I was in morning of Easter Monday.. so out of touch...

Just overworked I guess.
We all need a break, also from those horrid news these weeks.
Anyway, town was a Greek foundation originally, thus like so often ends with -pol, -polis. Anyway, lets better think of Greece, or at least Vicky Sol: https://pornbox.com/application/model/4653

So interesting. Didn't know it had Greek historical connection

[Iddaoeeok]

So interesting. Didn't know it had Greek historical connection

22,000 Greeks lived there, who knows how many are still alive since I assume Putin considers them Nazis too.

[aleste81212]

So much disinformation in wikipedia and mainstream media nowadays...
I advise you guys to get info in foreign press. Isreali press for example in quite interesting

https://www.jta.org/2021/01/20/politics/all-the-jews-joe-biden-has-tapped-for-top-roles-in-his-administration

[poldijk]

You have said that you are wary of it, which I respect. Too many think of it is a neutral resource, rather than a US resource.

wow, that's a post reply in the rules of art , I will try to do the same.
I welcome your respect. I think we can talk about geopolitics with respect even if we are not on the same channel. And, as PB members, we are all on the same channel of...porn therefore, make love not war. I know it sounds childlike...

I'm wary by nature and since I’ve kids, old enough to dig into geopolitics, especially Ukraine war, I try to be careful about my words, because we are the biggest influencers of our kids.

I follow Netzerkaiser's mentality since years, conflict after conflict: life is not black or white, naughty Russians and nice Americans, or for the others, naughty Americans and nice Russians...

history is full of complex and paradoxical items we have to face and admit, if we want to be honest, this is my honesty:
USA
world wide champion of genocide with the native indian in Americans.
world wide champion of slavery
first and only one user of Nuclear bomb
Irak war for fake reason (WMD never found)
and of course, control of the NATO to fell like the first cop of the world

Russia
second place on the podium for the biggest genocide with Staline's Goulag
“life was hard” for people living at the east of the berlin wall during URSS military occupation.
poutine is monopolizing the leadership since 1999 (Medvedev was a puppet until Puntine modified the constitution to be president again)
most dangerous opponent like Khodorkovski or Navalny are systematically sued for tax evasion
the purpose (and relation wit Poutine) of Wagner (not a couple of mercenary but rather 1000's of trained solders) is not clear (Mali, central africa, Syria...)

France
one of the biggest colonizer on earth, with UK and Spain.
not far behind USA regarding industrial slavery
guilty of dirty wars with torture and napalm bombing (Algeria, Indochine)

I do have respect for Russians, Americans and Frenchs people, but their respective government have a lot of blood on their hands.

"it seems that the nazi influence is going to disappear".

What? How? Why? Just disappear??
They are currently the most highly funded - NATO funded - and the most heavily armed - NATO armed - NeoNazi paramilitary on the planet. For this reason Ukraine has become the premier global training ground for NeoNazis/White Supermacists. .

I’m not saying that European Union is a perfect system but they try to support some values (fight racism, corruption, death penalty). If Ukraine is not part of the EU, it’s because they still have to improve some items like corruption (and prove that the government is fighting nazi organisation). But I’m careful about words like “premier global training ground for NeoNazis/White Supermacists”. Don’t forget USA when dealing with military white supremacists (though not NATO armed of course).

"Jewish-Ukrainian billionaire and oligarch Igor Kolomoyskyi is giving a lot of money".

Why would a Jewish billionaire fund an anti-Jewish Paramilitary?
Because Jewish billionaries are not the kind of Jews that end up in gas chanbers.

I disagree with your explanation, if I was jewish, I would vomit on nazi whatever my richness is. Millions of jewish lost a parent in the gaz chambers. I hope Kolomoyskyi is the kind of guy trying to choke nazi vibes in Azov bataillon.

"anyway, there is a lot of Nazi in France (and Belgium, Germany and Netherland), ok they are not doing war and potential war crime but it is not acceptable to have a foreign country invading yours by saying we will denazify your earth."

If the French speaking element in the border populations of either Germany/Belgium/Spain (any France-bordering country) had been constantly bombed/killed/maimed/murdered/mutilated/raped/abused, terrorised and dehumanised,(....)do you think that your people or government would not have said enough at some point?

Your explanation is subject to debate because we could invade a lot of countries with this logic : china (think about ouïghours or Tibetan), Iran, North corea, Palestine…..

French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel who has reported from The Donbass throughout that period. Her conflict reportage and documentary photography has been outstanding (and heartbreaking).

Thanks for this info: I’m listening to her feedback. Russia is accusing France of censorship about this journalist. She says Ukrain is the bad guy in Donbass since 2014. But France is a democracy, she is invited to media (radio/TV) to share her POV. I don’t have the same feeling about the freedom of speech of russian journalist against war in Russia.

Macron is a superficial politician of superficial gestures, and French voters will soon decide if they have had enough of that.

Marine Lepen is dangerous.
Even if I don’t like communitarianism and of course terrorism attack (a lot of blood has been shed in France), I can’t believe she wants to ban the veil for Muslims and the yarmulke for Jews.
There will be a civil war in my country if she is elected.

But despite my taking apart bits of your comment, I genuinely do respect your general attitude, because I get the feeling you strongly suspect that there is a gulf between what you are seeing in your media and what the reality is on the ground.
I think your instincts are good and you should trust them. The more you dig into Ukraine the darker and murkiers it gets.

Thanks. Even if nobody can convince me that bombarding Ukrainian civilians can be justified by the potential nazi wasp's nest in Azov, I keep an ear on that