Interesting poignant thread

[netzerkaiser]

TBH I see particularly in American pornography a tendency thats its all very well to abuse white models by black performers. Of course the girls agree to this for whatever reasons, but it seems like an orchestrated payback for historic slavery issues & I find it disturbing.

You never see it the other way around, i.e. white guys with black women, or at least you seldom see it. I think society condones this in a subtle way & I think thats very wrong.

The latest Kinuski scene, you have a little black man having his bum licked by a beautiful white woman... what message does this send out to the 400 + million Africans or people from middle east trying to reach EU & some thinking presumably every girl on street is a 'Kinuski' waiting to happen?

But more than that, & the act is becoming more & more common recently, its very humiliating.

In fact I can't think of too much thats more humiliating. Humiliation & abuse like this can only make it harder & harder for models to feel respected outside of & after porn which in turn can't be good for their self-esteem or feelings of self-worth.

[Iddaoeeok]

I hope you feel better now you've got all that out of your system but this thread serves no useful purpose.

[misangrenegra2]

TBH I see particularly in American pornography a tendency thats its all very well to abuse white models by black performers. Of course the girls agree to this for whatever reasons, but it seems like an orchestrated payback for historic slavery issues & I find it disturbing.

You never see it the other way around, i.e. white guys with black women, or at least you seldom see it.

I wouldn't say is a orchestrated payback but is a clear consequence of the history of USA with their racial problems.

That style of the IR american porn is clearly influenced by the racial situation over the years there, that why they use usually racial talk/dirty talk and the black guys have an dominant attitude. And is something very popular, just take a look to the us porn sites how IR is so popular and there are someones totally focus on IR porn like dogfart.

In this site there are the other way, white guys on black girls, even using the racist theme wearing tshirts with the confederate flag. But this kind of porn is less popular

Even in occident, the IR porn has a racial factor, surely less than in america, but other thing will be lying

I think society condones this in a subtle way & I think thats very wrong, along with ubiquitous mixed couples marketing campaigns (always black guy | white girl).

But a more interesting argument is why do so many coloured guys want white women, when most white guys are happy with their own?

I realise this is a contentious issue. Black people are beautiful. I just cannot understand why so many black men want to have white women if they're really so proud of being black? I just don't get it. We're only 5 or 6% of worlds population (white people) yet everyone wants us. Why is this? Because personally, if I had fill a crystal ship of 700 honeys the world over, 690 of them would be my own race. Surely thats the way it should be? And surely thats the way God or nature intended it that at least a child could see traces of his father or mothers lineage when he | she looks in the mirror?

What the point of this? since when matter the own skin colour (black guys) to like other kind of woman (whites)?
Aren't there white guys that prefer asians, latinas or blacks over whites?

Is simply tastes

I'm just anticipating the likely response from usual quarters ("rascist", "Xenophobe", "Fascist" etc), but I have to stand by this, because I FEEL it. The latest Kinuski scene, you have a quite unattractive little black man having his ass licked by a beautiful white woman... & probably thanking him for dubious 'pleasure' - go figure. What message does this send out to the 400 + million hordes of Africans trying to reach EU & presumably every girl on street is a 'Kinuski' waiting to happen?

Something here isn't right. Its like swapping GOLD for pieces of clay (& thats a fucking euphemism) ... beautiful white woman thanking unattractive little black guy for licking clean his arse?

It seems, thats where we're at. If you'd be happy to subject your sister | mother | daughter to this then fine, otherwise fuck off, you've no argument.

Whats the problem of watch a white girl licking the ass of a black guy? and more crazy.. what the connection of a sex act in a porn scene with the immigration theme? This is insane

[petermc934]

The OP’s abhorrent views aside, porn is a business, they make what sells and white girls taking huge black guys is a big seller. Black girls taking white guys is less so although it is beginning to become more mainstream as time goes by.

But the whole, people should stick to their own race thing, gtfo with that shit. We’re all members of the one race, the human race and people should fuck who they want and fall in love with who they want. Skin colour should not come into the equation. Yes the human race is diverse and we should acknowledge and celebrate different cultures not segregate ourselves away from each other.

[drevokocur66]

Slavery is not unique to black people. People enslaved other people throughout the human history. There is no payback for slavery theme here.

[netzerkaiser]

I edited original because I went off track & certainly don't want offend anyone.

My chief intended point is that there is a strong argument that white women are racial victims of pornography. Probably 90% of pornstars are white, from 5% of the worlds population. This is due to demand.

A theme in recent pornography I've noticed is the increased humiliation of white women by non-whites, either verbal, or physical, including using them as human toilet rolls.

It sends out a very dangerous & abusive message I think.

[Iddaoeeok]

So now pornography is bad is it? What next, video games cause mass shootings?

[netzerkaiser]

So now pornography is bad is it? What next, video games cause mass shootings?

Of course there are links there, how strong those links are is a different question.

[Iddaoeeok]

Let's just ban everything and sit reading our bibles alongside our racially appropriate wives and our racially pure families.

[YumYum74]

So now pornography is bad is it? What next, video games cause mass shootings?

Of course there are links there, how strong those links are is a different question.

There are no links there.

[avanfurwet]

1. This thread is way off-topic.

2. Netzer, are you OK? Your OP seems unusually bitter and twisted. You're usually quite laid back and cheerful?

Anyway,

Porn is not real life. Some of the fantasies enacted in porn are crass and silly, and some are racist (especially in USA where there's even a cheap looking porn website called "blackpayback"). As others already said, porn is a largely unregulated commercial product and producers make wwhat sells and cater to what customers want. That is all.

Do you have any evidence for any of your assertions about multi-ethnic societies in real life? Is it possible you're just voicing your own ignorance, biases and prejudices?

For example, do we know what proportion of western marketing campaigns feature mixed race couples, and how many of those feature black (or asian or mixed race) males as opposed to females?

Do we know how many mixed race couples IRL have BAME males and how many BAME females? I don't know. I've seen plenty of both.

I don't know what even qualifies someone as "white". You keep repeating this 5% figure which others have pointed out is incorrect. Many middle eastern and asian people look pretty pale to me and the Chinese admire pale skin in their women. In Europe we consider Spanish people "white". In USA, they are classed as "hispanic" and discriminated against by those who consider themselves "white". It's a fucked up world. People are all the same colour beneath their skin, and average intelligence is the same. That is all.

Personally, I think it's good that mass media is beginning to try to reflect the multi-ethnic societies that many of us live in. Even if much of it on TV seems to be vacuous PC box ticking and virtue signalling.

What makes you think "everyone" wants a white partner? Or that black males want white girls but not the other way round? Maybe people just want wealthy/successful/beautiful/loving partners? Maybe most people just naturally gravitate towards people who look and sound and act like them, and only the adventurous look beyond the obvious candidates?
In open western societies, really anyone should be able to associate with anybody they like.

I guess a child of parents with mixed ethnicities will likely see reassuring features from both their mum and dad when they look in the mirror. If that child has loving parents who raise them to love and respect themselves and others, then why would a child even care about such a ridiculous concept as "lineage"?

Humans are mostly genetic mongrels and I think only the weak-minded hide behind concepts like their "lineage" to try to big themselves up and pretend they are somehow "better" than others by accident of birth. That's the kind of bullshit which aristocrats used to justify ruling by "divine right" and oppressing everyone else, until someone invented the guillotine

Personally, I'd vote for a mongrel who is smart and capable and appears somewhat honest and genuine in preference to someone who has "lineage".

You express outrage that a beautiful white woman performs a degrading act with a black actor. What would you think about her doing it with a white guy? What about a black girl doing it with a white guy? What's the difference? Is the difference inside your head?

You call the black actor in this case small and unattractive. Personally, I don't find the white actors performing on this website particularly impressive or attractive - but I'm not here to look at men so what do I care? It's just interesting that you chose to belittle the black actor, but not his white brethren.

Finally, I think it's a straw man argument (borrowed from racist literature) to try to sneer about others being "happy to subject" their female loved ones to some interacial degradation.

In reality, females in free societies should be able to choose for themselves who they associate with and what they do. Their male relatives should treasure and care for them, and not "subject them" to anything ever.

But, I do think there is some link between violent computer games and violent behaviour IRL, particularly in USA where stupidly easy access to guns for dumb weak-minded impressionable people makes killing people IRL almost as easy and impersonal as killing them on screen.

[netzerkaiser]

[quote="avanfurwet"]1. This thread is way off-topic.

2. Netzer, are you OK? Your OP seems unusually bitter and twisted. You're usually quite laid back and cheerful?

I was on drink unfortunately. Not for first time & probably not for last, but we all have our problems I'm sure. Anyway thanks for thoughtful & considerate post Avanfuret, & time you put into it.

[netzerkaiser]

I actually wouldn't mind being hit with 3 month posting ban if you guys like. I've been indulging way too much in beer since covid started, & I definitely need to sort it out TBH.

[avanfurwet]

Netzer,

I don't think you need to worry about writing bollocks in this forum. Many posters (including me) write utter crap sometimes without even the excuse of drink.

I do think you absolutely need to take care of your health and don't let the booze take you down paths where you don't want to go.

I think you're a good man, just a bit eccentric and sometimes can benefit from a reality check (as we all can).

Good luck and all the best.

[netzerkaiser]

Netzer,

I don't think you need to worry about writing bollocks in this forum. Many posters (including me) write utter crap sometimes without even the excuse of drink.

I do think you absolutely need to take care of your health and don't let the booze take you down paths where you don't want to go.

I think you're a good man, just a bit eccentric and sometimes can benefit from a reality check (as we all can).

Good luck and all the best.

What a beautiful post, & thank you, I mean it. TBH, I'm tough as old nails, I've seen a lot as I'm sure have you. I'm not worried about myself, I'll kick through, but I do worry about the likes of Kinuski etc, good hearted girls... Julie Skyhigh... what hit the button "too much"? We're all victims, we're all predators too, but these ladies live their lives in full view & the toll can be extolling.

I like to think of myself as a "do onto others as you'd hav them do onto you" kind of guy...

I just think sometimes we all need step back & think, for sure.

Thanks Brother.

[netzerkaiser]

Because I actually care about these ladies & their futures... I actually care...

[bdsmpretty]

While I do have sincere sympathy for your admitting to having an alcohol abuse issue, Netzerkaiser, which is nothing to be ashamed of at all . Like depression, it's one of those huge 'elephant in the room' things that society trains people to hide from others (sadly, usually from those who could help them most) for fear of stigma/shame/rejection.

It's a health problem (addiction has both physical and psychological causes and symptoms), and just as if you were to have severe chest pains or a painful lump or infection etc, you would take it seriously (I hope!) and get help, this is exactly the same. You can do it anonymously if you feel you can't admit to it to your family/friends/employer, there are organizations who treat that confidentiality aspect with absolute respect.

But I would also add, that while you think you may have been hiding it well and fooling everybody, that is more than likely not the case at all. The cloudy judgement and over-confidence that comes with drinking may just be leading you to think so.
It's highly probable that the real reason other have not confronted you with it yet is not because they haven't noticed, but because they love and respect you and don't want to embarrass you or hurt your pride by confronting you with it, if they feel you (by pretending all is well) are not yet ready to deal with them knowing.

Do get help.

As for the theme of your original post, I cannot have any sympathy for racism.
Your impaired judgment when drinking may well have a lot to do with why you are venturing down that toxic rabbit hole (wacko white-supremacist and 'great replacement' youtube videos on loop) without realizing you are getting sucked in.
As other have said, you seem an eccentric character here at times (and recent long covid lockdowns will not have helped if you are feeling isolated) but you have never previously seemed a hateful or abusive person, or (being blunt) a racist.
So your post seems out of character and that fits with drinking. Address that and you may be able to refelct on the rest with a clearer head.

Finally, and I have put it at the end, to not hit you with it upfront, but it needs to be said.

Have you never considered the possibility that the main audience for heavy degrading scenes (performed as degrading, porn is fiction) involving black males on white females, may actually be a white audience, who settle upon that precise theme because (in my view this is the saddest possibility of all) they consider beyond the acts being degrading in and of themselves, that for a white woman to appear to be treated badly by a black man is the worst degradation of all.

As you say, most of that kind of porn comes out of the USA, a country and society whose entire history is rooted from the very start in violent racism (a white colonialist project that displaced (= slaughtered in their millions) dark-skinned native Americans, then imported African slaves (chattel slavery, so classed in law as having no rights to liberty at all) to exploited and abused them for centuries. KKK, Jim Crow, Segregation, and up to the present.

Britain, Spain, France, Netherlands etc all have deeply racist pasts too, pasts that still haunt their present in ugly ways, but not being colonialist ventures that displaced a native population, the USA represents a slightly different version of it.

So do consider that while others may not be viewing those scenes for that (eg, not through a race lens at all, just enjoying the scenes as great porn, as intended), there may well be a great many, particularly in the US, whose racism feeds significantly into their approval for such content.

[bdsmpretty]

Big clarification re:

"Britain, Spain, France, Netherlands etc all have deeply racist pasts too, pasts that still haunt their present in ugly ways, but not being colonialist ventures that displaced a native population, the USA represents a slightly different version of it."

By which (very obviously!) I mean that British, Spanish, French, Dutch etc Imperialism only displaced (murdered, enslaved, tortured, exploited and all those things truly evil things Imperialism does) native populations away from 'home'.

Ask the Africans, the Indians, the Chinese, the Palestinians, and so on and so on.

Worth adding that Australia and Israel have very similar foundations to the USA (violently displacing native populations to replace them themselves) which goes most of the way to explaining why those countries are so closely allied.
A union of mutual guilt, within which neither will ever seek to accuse the other of crimes that they know themselves to be guilty of.

[Iddaoeeok]

Have you never considered the possibility that the main audience for heavy degrading scenes (performed as degrading, porn is fiction) involving black males on white females, may actually be a white audience, who settle upon that precise theme because (in my view this is the saddest possibility of all) they consider beyond the acts being degrading in and of themselves, that for a white woman to appear to be treated badly by a black man is the worst degradation of all.

I'd put it a lot stronger than being a mere possibility. I'd also say the market for interracial porn is overwhelmingly driven by white consumers - because they're the ones most likely to consider interracial sex a taboo in real life and therefore all the more exciting and titillating in porn.

There have been numerous studies in the US that show those states which are the most religious and the most socially conservative are the biggest consumers of porn and this thread, before the various edits, was a prime example of the sort of tortured and convoluted mental gymnastics carried out by people who are socially conservative but are also into porn.

[avanfurwet]

Following the theory that we "normal" unadventurous people generally gravitate towards others who look/speak/behave the same as us, I think that markets for porn generally follow the same preferences.

So the huge JAV porn market overwhelmingly features Japanese stars, with a few foreigners sometimes as an "exotic" curiosity.

I think the reason why most recognised female pornstars in USA and Europe are "white" (I'm including "latinas") is because the consumers in these markets are overwhelmingly white (I'm including hispanics). For these consumers, black and asian girls are a minority taste, but widely available for those who enjoy.

There is a market in USA for recognised black female pornstars because up to 15% of that large market are black consumers, and some white US consumers also like black girls.

I'd agree that the market for interracial "degrading" porn fantasies is overwhelmingly comprised of repressed white people in USA.

European recent history is different because we kept our shameful slave plantations conveniently offshore and our present-day local populations do not feel the legacy on the ground, or have c.15% (angry) black citizens, in the same way as the USA.

Of course we're still massively xenophobic and racist in Europe, but not in ways that seem to create a viable commercial market segment for "degrading" porn such as they have in USA.

For example, in Europe we have much higher inward migration of people from the Indian subcontinent and more recently the middle east. These migrants provide the current hate figures for European xenophobes and racists in the same way that Jewish people always have. Yet despite the best efforts of our unfriendly local extremists to make us hate and fear these migrants (and many do), I don't think there is any significant mainstream porn market in Europe for degrading porn featuring "arab" or "pakistani" migrants ravishing "our white women".

I think the porn scenes made in Europe and Russia featuring the "dread" black man are just apeing american porn or simply using the few black actors available here as an "exotic" curiosity to titillate customers in the same way as JAV uses a few western actors and actresses.

[Iddaoeeok]

For example, in Europe we have much higher inward migration of people from the Indian subcontinent and more recently the middle east. These migrants provide the current hate figures for European xenophobes and racists in the same way that Jewish people always have. Yet despite the best efforts of our unfriendly local extremists to make us hate and fear these migrants (and many do), I don't think there is any significant mainstream porn market in Europe for degrading porn featuring "arab" or "pakistani" migrants ravishing "our white women".

There is a terrbile looking site which films Czech models dressed in hijabs having sex - no matter what the girl looks like, blonde, blue eyes, whatever - which suggests the focus is on women when it comes to pushing interracial buttons around Muslims.

[netzerkaiser]

@Iddaoeeok, @misangrenegra2, @avanfurwet, @bdsmpretty...

I just want to say THANK YOU. No-one here went for jugular, though I woke this morning thinking 'how on Earth am I still employed in well paid & respected profession past few years with the road I hit a few years ago?".

I guess I'm lucky in a sense because I never touched a drop until about 7 years ago (I'm 51 now so I haven't had a physical payback - though no doubt that would come) - crazy working hours bring crazy pressures & we all need get sleep particularly when one is driving a significant distance to get to work anyway. And I'm travelling the length & breadth of UK & Ireland as well as mainland Europe for a significant part of year.

I probably should've joined other groups based on my fondness for music & sport here, but I think I just found this forum so welcoming, non-judgemental, & cool, I stayed.

I logged out for first time today for several months, & I intend to stay logged out except for to finish that Hungarian thread I started, maybe next week. I hope I can log back in with happy success story 3 - 6 months from now, but in interim I can only say, goodbye & Thank you all for your understanding & class.

Cheers,

Netzer

If theres one thing I'll say about booze its this: In life before booze the days are never long enough, you've so much to fit in. Once that gts a grip then after you've got through your duties, the day can't seem short enough - you have to end it as quickly as you can. Kinda sad, but realiing it is a vital first step.

Thanks lads, & all the Best.

[Iddaoeeok]

The two biggest makers of that kind of pornography have made it clear that they hate Europeans and their diaspora. That is why they make that stuff, because they wish to spread a narrative of degradation and subjugation. They want to disrupt those societies and teach it's young people that it is normal to treat and be treated that way.

The negative perception of European descended women and men from outsiders who see it is a secondary effect that is welcomed by the men (it is mostly men) who make it.

The best thing possible would be to make it known to content makers that this is not acceptable. The cuckolds are too wrapped up in their fantasies to be reasoned with. The content makers though, can be reasoned with through their wallets. Eventually, if this doesn't stop, you will see them taken to EU courts for racist violations. It would be best for content makers to stop making this racist content before the courts and police get involved.

Why are you being so coy? Why don't you tell us who are the "biggest makers of that kind of pornography" are? The rest of your post is insane, by the way.

[dap-addict]

Their community doesn't suffer the blowback, the Black community does. While their are indeed haters in the Black community who enjoy such content, they did not start it.

That's quite an interesting contribution, actually.

[Iddaoeeok]

The culpability of the director should not be negated. The director/content producer you mentioned at the top of your post kept a blog for years that others have pointed to in identifying his motivations. He is from an extreme left wing background and has a deep hatred of Europeans and the diaspora. His hatred fueled his creative endevors and interests. He left his job as a college lecturer to do content creation full-time. These men have an ideological bent. They are at their hearts cowardly men who use BM as a stand-in for themselves. Their community doesn't suffer the blowback, the Black community does. While their are indeed haters in the Black community who enjoy such content, they did not start it. This has been made for at least 2 decades by a handful of content creators who wish to fulfill their fantasies and push their hateful worldview.

He didn't mention any director/content producer, so who are YOU talking about? Not that I care what some internet conspiracy theory fruit loop has to say about anything but have the courage of your convictions at least and stop dancing round the issue.

[Iddaoeeok]

Their community doesn't suffer the blowback, the Black community does. While their are indeed haters in the Black community who enjoy such content, they did not start it.

That's quite an interesting contribution, actually.

What's interesting about it?

[Iddaoeeok]

Who are you talking about?

[Iddaoeeok]

Does anyone know what this guy is blabbering on about?

[misangrenegra2]

Who are you talking about?

I don't know about who talks, i only mentioned a particular us porn site that use some racial statements on their scenes, even others sites used to add some dirty talk about that... but is a part of the fantasy and something where a lot of people find a sex appeal.

[Iddaoeeok]

Who are you talking about?

I don't know about who talks, i only mentioned a particular us porn site that use some racial statements on their scenes, even others sites used to add some dirty talk about that... but is a part of the fantasy and something where a lot of people find a sex appeal.

I wasn't asking you, I was asking the guy who's doing a lot of talking without naming names and so, we must conclude, is talking out of his ass.

[misangrenegra2]

Who are you talking about?

I don't know about who talks, i only mentioned a particular us porn site that use some racial statements on their scenes, even others sites used to add some dirty talk about that... but is a part of the fantasy and something where a lot of people find a sex appeal.

I wasn't asking you, I was asking the guy who's doing a lot of talking without naming names and so, we must conclude, is talking out of his ass.

Following the thread, he quoted me and later you answered him. Sorry if i misundertand the point.

[Iddaoeeok]

Following the thread, he quoted me and later you answered him. Sorry if i misundertand the point.

No problem, I actually thought he was quoting netzer not you.

[misangrenegra2]

Misangrenegra2, yes I did indeed quote you as we were both aware of the extremely racist, anti-European (and in many ways anti-Black/African) site. The content creator for that site is indeed the man who kept years worth of blog entries that was mentioned in a Reddit AMA. That Reddit AMA and blog showed that he pursued a hateful and extremist agenda. There are a handful of content creators like him responsible for much of that stuff across the internet the last 2 decades...and very few of them are themselves Black.


They use the BM as the "scapegoat" or the shield, because foolish people and those who already hate BM will turn their resentment toward the BM actor, not being wise enough to look after the director and his motivations, which are quite vile.

I'm not going to judge that site or others. I said that the racial history of US have some influence in some roles of their IR porn like some speeches or attitudes. I see this like a kind of hook that appeal the viewer, works and like like the part of the fantasy. Is one of their ways to shoot IR porn and not every scene that they make are influenced by that.

If It is something that bothers you, always can skip this material

In fact, The IR scenes like the cuckold ones, they tend to degrade the white man and no ones is complaining about this, because it could be racist too but is the part of the fantasy. All this can by applied in other kinds of stuff like dirty talk, domination, etc..

[Jocke]

This is an interesting thread and you have all made interesting contributions.

My view, which could be wrong, is that racism/segregation in the US spill into porn in many different ways.
It could be as innocent as white, black and hispanic populations are attracted to each other but social convention prevents mixing whereas in Europe "racial mixing" is less controversial. Therefore "interracial" scenes have become popular in the US based on a taboo.

In Europe, I believe we are attracted to a variety of potential partners and colored skin is just a variation on hair color. I mean, no one thinks of it as a racial issue if a redhead and a blonde have sex? Maybe it is just me but I certainly enjoy the variation in naked women from all over the world, then I prefer when they are with a male who is reasonably similar to myself to not destroy the fantasy.

Variety is what makes life rich. I assume all of us have got the question at some point, "What is your favorite color?". Whatever color we pick, we can all admit that we wouldn't want the whole world to be that color.

[Jocke]

While some think asslicking is degrading, I find it a pleasure to give and certainly do not feel degraded, but rather privileged. I wouldn't hesitate to put my tongue in the gape of any of the LP ladies' bums.
It can of course be done in a way to portray degradation and while that may seem offensive, many people seem to enjoy submission porn. I don't, but each to their own.

[Starrio]

Nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so.

In reality there is nothing one can do that is degrading, people just learn some things are degrading and they believe what they are taught.

It doesn't matter if the guy fucking the girl is black or white or muslin, people are people.

It does look hotter when there is contrast in the skin, but even that is a learned adopted opinion, in reality it is all the same.

[Iddaoeeok]

This is an interesting thread and you have all made interesting contributions.

My view, which could be wrong, is that racism/segregation in the US spill into porn in many different ways.
It could be as innocent as white, black and hispanic populations are attracted to each other but social convention prevents mixing whereas in Europe "racial mixing" is less controversial. Therefore "interracial" scenes have become popular in the US based on a taboo.

In Europe, I believe we are attracted to a variety of potential partners and colored skin is just a variation on hair color. I mean, no one thinks of it as a racial issue if a redhead and a blonde have sex? Maybe it is just me but I certainly enjoy the variation in naked women from all over the world, then I prefer when they are with a male who is reasonably similar to myself to not destroy the fantasy.

Variety is what makes life rich. I assume all of us have got the question at some point, "What is your favorite color?". Whatever color we pick, we can all admit that we wouldn't want the whole world to be that color.

This is amazingly dewy-eyed and optimistic view of race relations in Europe! For a start, it depends whereabouts in Europe you're from but, wherever it is, Europe - the continent that gave the world the Nazis - is still pretty racist, but just in different ways and for different reasons than the US.

[ryukenmaster666]

While some think asslicking is degrading, I find it a pleasure to give and certainly do not feel degraded, but rather privileged.

I agree with that. I only asslicked one woman, she didn't ask for it at all (it was a big surprise to her), it just happened one day. I just felt it. And I didn't feel degraded at all. Like you said, I felt privilegied to lick her ass.

Now if I fell "forced" to do yeah probably wouldn't feel the same. Hard to explain the feeling

[Jocke]

This is an interesting thread and you have all made interesting contributions.

My view, which could be wrong, is that racism/segregation in the US spill into porn in many different ways.
It could be as innocent as white, black and hispanic populations are attracted to each other but social convention prevents mixing whereas in Europe "racial mixing" is less controversial. Therefore "interracial" scenes have become popular in the US based on a taboo.

In Europe, I believe we are attracted to a variety of potential partners and colored skin is just a variation on hair color. I mean, no one thinks of it as a racial issue if a redhead and a blonde have sex? Maybe it is just me but I certainly enjoy the variation in naked women from all over the world, then I prefer when they are with a male who is reasonably similar to myself to not destroy the fantasy.

Variety is what makes life rich. I assume all of us have got the question at some point, "What is your favorite color?". Whatever color we pick, we can all admit that we wouldn't want the whole world to be that color.

This is amazingly dewy-eyed and optimistic view of race relations in Europe! For a start, it depends whereabouts in Europe you're from but, wherever it is, Europe - the continent that gave the world the Nazis - is still pretty racist, but just in different ways and for different reasons than the US.

Europe is varied and yes there are certainly local racial tensions, for current and historical reasons. I was just noting that being Caucasian and having an Asian or African girlfriend is not taboo, especially if born in the same country. Immigration and differences in culture, especially religion causes bigger problems than "race".

[Iddaoeeok]

Europe is varied and yes there are certainly local racial tensions, for current and historical reasons. I was just noting that being Caucasian and having an Asian or African girlfriend is not taboo, especially if born in the same country. Immigration and differences in culture, especially religion causes bigger problems than "race".

I've got no idea where you're from but just being Asian or African will cause you all sorts of problems in countries all over Europe. It's interesting that you give the example of (I assume) a white man having an Asian or African girlfriend, I suspect an Asian or African man having a white girlfriend would not be so welcome in a lot of European societies. I also suspect that interracial relationships are more common in the US too.